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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: books from forumer Reply with quote

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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: A good read.

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The Fight For Welsh Freedom / Gwynfor Evans
Politics and History
A new, compact, illustrated book tracing the efforts of the Welsh nation to free itself from oppression, from the Norman Conquest to the National Assembly.Available from Y Lolfa, take a look at their website, some good books there.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject:

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Just read this -a pretty interesting read about a period rarely covered in such detail.

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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: GOOD READ ?

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FROM http://www.quintapress.com/rumsey.html

The Rise and Fall of British Republican Clubs 1871-1874
by Christopher Rumsey
This book provides the fullest account to date of the 100 or so working-class republican clubs that were established in Britain between 1871 and 1874. Too often the historiographical treatment of these clubs has been generic (‘More than 50 republican clubs were formed in large towns and cities …’). Instead, by a detailed investigation of primary sources, this study identifies the individual clubs and traces when and where they were formed. It also provides a multi-dimensional profile of the club movement and explains the reasons for its failure. All this is interwoven with the contemporary political scene, involving such key players as Dilke and Gladstone, but equally important for this purpose, Bradlaugh and Odger.


What emerges is a fascinating account of a unique period in modern British history – the only time that the monarchy has been subject to any noteworthy challenge from republicanism. As such, it provides an interesting historical background to current debates about the future of the Crown.


Christopher Rumsey B.A. (Hons), M.Sc., M.A., F.R.S.A. is currently researching the political career of P.A. Taylor (1819-91), M.P. for Leicester.

'Here is a small book with a big contemporary message." George Walden, reviewing the book in the London Evening Standard. Read the full review on-line here.

The cover illustration is from the cover of Punch, 8 April 1871
A FRENCH LESSON
Britannia: (addressing a scruffy, working-class oik) ISTHAT THE SORT OF THING YOU
WANT, YOU LITTLE IDIOT" (pointing to the chaos of the Paris Commune
in the background)

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THIS BOOK IS ONE THAT I KEEP MEANING TO READ... IT CAN BE ORDERED VIA AMAZON ETC. ASWELL

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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:04 am Post subject:

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NOMajority - if ignorance is bliss then you must be in ecstasy.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:43 am Post subject:

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aye but thats a fucking good poem.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:

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Yep, Non Oppressed Majority is quite right. Everything's brill up the valleys under Laabaaa's one party state..I wonder which version of the Internationale they sing up there nowadays....

Arise ye councillors from your slumbers
Arise ye lazy Labour cunts
The public purse we do now plunder
The mayors chain is all we want
Away with democratic freedoms
Servile masses down will stay
We're all joining the freemasons
We're up the valleys making hay

So comrades come rally
The Nashies we must face
If Wales gets independence then we risk losing face
So comrades come rally
The Nashies we must face
If Wales gets independence then we risk losing face

No more deluded socialism
On our own people we'll make war
We'll invest their taxes in CCTV
To watch the buggers getting poor
And if the fuckers keep on trying
To put their vote for Plaid Cymru
We'll flood the area with English
Cos they still love Labour you see

And our masters from London delivered
They made our boy Kinnock a peer
Cos the Red flag of Penderyn we've lowered
Now the Red White and Blue is more dear
And when Glenys shakes her booty
We're all a happier lot
Cos to London we owe our duty
But if Cymru gets free we'll be shot.

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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject:

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None of those were "a good read".

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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject:

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I enjoyed reading Whitney D Jones' " David Williams - the Anvil and the Hammer ", and if you can't find it through your library you can order it through amazon books.

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Non-oppressed majority wrote:

Bless you. One day you may be smart enough to debate the point. I'll hang on until you are.


Oh dear, a dummy spit.

NOM, when you are smart enough to understand why there is a debate then we'll debate the point. I may be waiting for you for quite some time though.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:47 am Post subject:

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Gwaw wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Perhaps this appeals more Gwaw;

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!

I am sure you know,because you appear to know everything that this is the sixth verse of your anthem.No racism here!!


Err - I'm Welsh. T'ain't my anthem.


t'aint yur anthem worcester boi? of course yur welsh by birth and ancestry. and with an english heart.

its the national anthem, ergo its your anthem.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:

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CITIZEN LORD - Edward Fitzgerald 1763 - 1798 by Stella Tillyard

Vintage ISBN 0 09 973 2114

Yeah - I enjoyed this aswell, and it is remaindered in Booksale for 99p

alternative title ? FROM AMAZON:
Citizen Lord: The Life of Edward Fitzgerald, Irish Revolutionary
by Stella Tillyard (Author)
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The bicentennial of the failed United Irish uprising against Britain, in 1998, is a fitting time for the publication of a biography of Irish revolutionary Lord Edward Fitzgerald. The distinction between Fitzgerald and his co-rebels is his title. While his compatriots were composed primarily of middle-class barristers and solicitors, Fitzgerald was the son of the most aristocratic of Anglo-Irish families, one which, during the Middle Ages, had essentially ruled all of Ireland. His older brother was Duke of Leinster, his mother, the daughter of one of England's great Whig families. Fitzgerald, himself, began his career in a traditional fashion, joining the British army as a career officer and fighting during the American Revolution at the battle that forced Cornwallis's surrender. After his stint in North America, Fitzgerald returned to Europe where he roomed briefly with Thomas Paine in Paris. At a public dinner celebrating the French victory at Jemappes, he offered a toast to the abolition of all titles and vestiges of feudalism--earning him the designation "le citoyen Edouard Fitzgerald." While in Paris, he met his wife--the illegitimate daughter of the duc d'Orleans and his mistress--who, by virtue of her heritage, represented the dual elements that defined his own life. Shortly after returning to Ireland, Fitzgerald joined up with the already burgeoning revolution and rose quickly through the ranks because of his name and military experience. But the revolutionary ranks were rife with informers and double agents, and on the eve of the planned uprising, Fitzgerald was captured and mortally wounded.

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The Unfortunate Colonel Despard - by Mike Jay

This was an interesting read, I always adored the speech that Despard gave from the gallows - he deserves to be better remembered as a republican martyr. Mike Jay usually writes books on drugs !

from Amazon -

Synopsis
Colonel Edward Marcus Despard was the last person to be sentenced to hanging, drawing and quartering for high treason. At his execution on 21 February 1803, the streets of London were packed with twenty thousand ominously silent onlookers. Few of them believed he was guilty. Despard's execution was the climax of an extraordinary life. He had served as a soldier in Jamaica, and fought alongside savage Miskito Indians - and a young Horatio Nelson - in one of the most hellish jungle campaigns in the history of warfare. Rewarded with command of the British settlement of Belize, he had married a black woman and staked his reputation on giving the same rights to freed slaves as to white settlers. Summoned back to London to explain himself, and finding his career put on hold, he joined the revolutionary underground. The Unfortunate Colonel Despard moves from high adventure on the Spanish Main to the political tumult of the London underworld in the 1790s, when many believed that, as in America and France, the old elite were on the verge of collapse. Despard's personal drama unfolds against a background of voodoo slave revolts and naval mutinies, the French Revolution and the Irish Rebellion, the democratic ideals of Tom Paine and the ruthless political clampdown of William Pitt's 'Reign of Terror'. Despard's contested fate was the sensational climax to a British revolution that never happened, but it also presaged the birth of modern democracy.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:10 am Post subject:

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Non-oppressed, still asleep majority wrote:

Bless you. You must be quite exhausted now. All that effort of rubbing two neurons together.

Why is there a debate? Well, some people like to blame EVERYTHING on the English. Do you blame EVERYTHING on the English, Owain?


No, I blame you. Look chum, I'm not really interested by your pathetic baiting; other fish to fry, and all that. So 'scuse me if I don't continue to reply to you, unless of course you have a real topic to debate and can string together a reasoned rebuttal without resorting to the schoolboy standard of what passes for whit.

Cheerio now.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: A Whim Set in Concrete - Sian Best - pub. by Seren

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A WHIM SET IN CONCRETE - SIAN BEST - SEREN isbn 1-85411-345-3

A blow by blow account of the fight against Cardiff Bay Development Corporation and the Labour party establishment that collaborated with the Conservative government to divert millions of pounds of public money into private developers pockets leaving taxpayers in Wales with a huge annual bill for that stagnant puddle in Cardiff. Will educate you in how politics really works in Wales - and make you angry and frustrated.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:

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but is it peer reviewed?
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject:

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It was due to be pier reviewed.... but they cut the budget on all things provided for public amenity as opposed to shoving money into private pockets ( literally, the proposed fishing pier was cut from the project )
If I find a review online, I'll submit it ok ? I've read all these books.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:

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I am more concerned with alien involvement in the development of Wales over the past century eg. the post ww1 settlement that demanded coal from germany at prices that enslaved german miners and drove welsh miner's wages down, the collapse in the price of coal being designed to undermine the trade union movement but being a contributory factor in the 1930's depression. I've nothing polite to say about Von Daniken. I presume that you are taking the piss.

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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:37 am Post subject:

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POLICE CONSPIRACY - John Osmond - Y Lolfa

I guess that most people do not need to be told about this, but maybe younger people are unaware of the events of 25 years ago. After some bombs went off a large number of people were taken up in a police sweep and later accused of conspiracy, but it turned out that the real conspirators were the police who were forcing confessions and fabricating evidence. The actual culprit was Dafydd Lad, who had made a sudden appearance in South Wales and joined the Welsh Socialist Republican Movement - and effectively did for it when he was convicted. This had been the largest republican movement in Wales since the 1950's, and it lost 90% of its membership as a result of fears of arrest and trumped up prosecutions, and fears of associating with an organisation tainted by this terrorist infiltration. This still haunts most of us in South Wales, and this book is a salutory read.

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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:45 am Post subject:

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there it is again. "facts". its been peer reviewed ergo its "facts". nazi germany mate.
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject:

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Two books on Price by D.O.Thomas -

The Honest Mind : The Thought and Work of Richard Price - OUP 1977

Richard Price : Political Writings - CUP 1991

(I haven't read these.)

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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject:

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Gwaw wrote:
Ross doesn't believe in facts when they get in the way of his theories though...


Jeez, the arrogance of this guy is breathtaking. So all of your opinions are based on "fact" eh? Just bear in mind that those who think they know everything clearly have a lot to learn... go cogitate.
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Gwaw wrote:
Dinbych wrote:
Gwaw wrote:
Ross doesn't believe in facts when they get in the way of his theories though...


Jeez, the arrogance of this guy is breathtaking. So all of your opinions are based on "fact" eh? Just bear in mind that those who think they know everything clearly have a lot to learn... go cogitate.


My opinions generally are, yes.

Your rhetoric generally isn't.


Well done, you've just proved my point yet again. You're arrogant.
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By the way, that last posting was from me. I must remember to log in!
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject:

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do you think so? nice that youve managed to be both then.
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Owain wrote:
Nothing wrong with peer reviewing but it must be remembered it has its limitations, bias being one.

In a study, 45% medical papers which get peer reviewed are later found to be incorrect and 16% are even contradictory. So, while peer review has its place, it isn't the final proof of anything. All depends what side of the fence you are on.



I notice that when someone posts something you have no realistic answer for then you know when to keep your gob shut Gwaw.
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you seriously cant see the arguement gwaw? i dont suppose peer reviewing dvd player instruction manuals requires much insight!
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Gwaw - ynfytyn wrote:


Owain wrote:
Owain wrote:
Nothing wrong with peer reviewing but it must be remembered it has its limitations, bias being one.

In a study, 45% medical papers which get peer reviewed are later found to be incorrect and 16% are even contradictory. So, while peer review has its place, it isn't the final proof of anything. All depends what side of the fence you are on.



I notice that when someone posts something you have no realistic answer for then you know when to keep your gob shut Gwaw.


I notice that you haven't a clue, Owain.

Now shall we continue with the ad-hom, or do you have a real argument buried in there somewhere?


Gwaw/idiot. It's easy but pointless to continue trading silly little comments with you. It's also a bit boring as you haven't had anything worth reading to say for the last couple of weeks, if ever. I'm not sure though how you believe that making a couple of carping remarks that have no basis in fact would throw anyone into disarray.

You are not the only person in the world who has done any writing or peer reviewing of technical papers, so don't go fooling yourself into believing that it gives you any sort of status over anyone else at all. I see that you can't address the points in my posting. As usual.

Bye bye Gwaw/ynfytyn. I don't really have the inclination to swap silly pointless remarks with you so please don't expect a reply after this one.
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: Planet - the Welsh Internationalist - bi-monthly magazine

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Since I was mentioning " Planet " elsewhere, I thought that I might describe it for people who do not know it. To get copies of this bimonthly, at the moment it is:

£3.75 in a bookshop / £4.75 for one copy by inland mail / £16 for six copies by inland mail / £18 or US$32 for air mail ( back numbers available )

the ISSN is 0048-4288

see website www.planetmagazine.org.uk or telephone 01970-611255

Planet, PO Box 44, Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, SY23 3ZZ, CYMRU / WALES

The copy that I have before me is of edition 170 and the main articles are :

The Question of Trust - John Barnie - which is basically about how the Blair government do not trust us and is steadily eroding our civil liberties.

The cartoon is of Rhodri Morgan as a learner driver throwing away his red "L" plates as he careers wildly from side to side down the road.

Identity Cards-Identity Crisis - Philip A Thomas ( Senior Professor of Law ) - contrasts how the state increasingly demands to know all about us but despite The Access to Information Act we know increasingly less and less about it. He points out that Labour are arguing the idea that there is a state of emergency due to terrorism, but that this is not intended to be a temporary expedient but held out as a permanent state of affairs. ( I can't help thinking of Orwell's "1984" ) He suggests that people look at the website www.NO2ID.net

Saharan Dust and Foot and Mouth Disease - Thomas Whitfield - probably one for Gwaw to read ! Tricky to describe, but the argument is that the FMD epidemic was set off by a storm over the Sahara that brought the disease here. The dust storms that dirty our cars can travel as far as the Amazon and Caribean. The possibility exists of predicting their arrival in Wales and so protecting livestock.

Notes from the Underworld - John Harrison - is an interview with the writer Donald Thomas

Glue and Satin-Degas' Little Dancer - Sian Melangell Dafydd - a short story

The Big Three Bounce Back - John Lovering - who writes on the arms industry and warfare, writes here about the resurgence of religion and criticises it for ten pages...

A Poet in Patagonia - Iwan Llwyd - a travelogue exploring the Welshy bit, and discussing the survival of the Welsh language there. Nice Pictures.

Handbook - Nigel Jenkins - a poem

Three Poems - by Anna Wigley

The Strange Death of Liberal Adult Education - Martin Wright - argues that learning for the sake of it is now regarded as illegitimate, that the attitude of the Assembly to continuing education is one of training a workforce and so we are losing ( in some instances have lost ) a key part of Welsh education that forges a link between the community and it's educators.

Tourists or Pigs - Sharif Gemie - interviewing Ronan Le Coadic who is a leading Breton sociologist, author of L'Identite Bretonne. Discusses the present state of Breton economy and national self-consciousness, which he feels is sentimental rather than militant.

St Kilda - poem by Kenneth Steven

Where the Many Worlds Fit - Iwan Bala - discusses the work of Elizabeth Ross ( a sculptress and writer / lecturer )

The Earth Under Pressure - Daniel Bagur - discusses crisis in global diversity, explaining how this is assessed in various ways and summarising the conclusions of theWWF Living Planet Report 2004.

Love for Peach Blossom - Daniel Lombard - looking at the People's Art Theatre of Beijing, recounting its history ( another article to follow )

Attitude - is the letters section ( two pages )

Reviews - take up 23 pages, 25 books ? :-

The Killing Pens - Janet Hughes ( about the foot and mouth crisis - exposing behaviour of government in recounting long legal battle )

Wales and the Spanish Civil War-The Dragon's Dearest Cause ? - Robert Stradling

Oil: Anatomy of an Industry - Matthew Yeomans

O'r Pentre Gwyn i Gwmderi - Hywel Teifi Edwards

Quiver - Deryn Rees Jones ( poems )

The Canals of Mars - Patrick McGuiness ( poems )

Postcolonialism Revisited - Kirsti Bohata ( about "postcolonial welsh culture" )

Sustainable Regions - Ed. Meiron Thomas and Martin Rhisiart ( "Wales centred but international in outlook" )

The Hanged Man: a Story of Miracle, Memory and Colonialism in the Middle Ages - Robert Bartlett ( how did Welsh rebel William Cragh survive the scaffold ? )

( I'll have to finish this another time - dai )

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" 100 Great Welsh Women " - Terry Breverton, Wales Books -Glyndwr Publishing ( 2001 ) isbn 1 903529 042

" 100 Great Welsh - Men ? " Details not found

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Since I mentioned it elsewhere -

The Pallas Guide to WALES : translated into English by D.H.Wilson, 4th edition ( 2002 ) Pallas Athene books - isbn 1873429681.

It is unlike any other travel guide to Wales that I have seen and full of interesting explanatory articles and historical essays - the Germans expect such a thorough treatment of a subject ! - recommended info-tainment for Welshmen and Welshwomen everywhere !!
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http://www.tesco.com/books/product.aspx?R=1854113933

I wonder if Tesco's know or care who Mihangel Morgan is ? I bet they'd prefer not to be appearing to be endorsing his politics !!

When I knew him Meic was very active as an AIDS awareness campaigner ( remember him on teledu cymraeg ? Red shirt and fly-away long hair, lovely voice... ) but that is making him sound rather limited when perhaps the best way to describe him is that he is a craftsman in all that he chooses to understake. My Welsh isn't really up to literary appreciation standards, but his novels have something of the stylistic qualities of his calligraphic art - spare, elegant and colourful.

This is the English translation of Meic's ( Welsh ) novel about political oppression - Melog was originally published by Gwasg Gomer in 1997. The Amazon site has some less partisan reviews on it :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1854113933/qid%3D1132331457/203-5033843-5235155
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HOW TO BUILD A NUCLEAR BOMB - Frank Barnaby - £6.99 - Garnta - isbn 1 86207 677 4

Very readable short account of Nuclear, Radiological, Chemical and Biological weapons as used by our states and coming to a terrorist group near you soon.

It is shocking how simple these weapons are to make using products from your local chemist. Well. The simple ones are. Gives obvious 'instructions' for attacks on things like nuclear power stations, and some galling statistics like these :

Military Expenditure 2001 in US 1,000,000,000 $'s

USA - 322.3 ( 38.6% ) RUSSIA - 63.7 ( 7.6% ) CHINA - 46.1 ( 5.5% ) JAPAN - 39.5 ( 4.7% ) UK - 34.7 ( 4.2 % ) etc.etc.

Ofcourse, we really needed all those bombs didn't we in 2001 - it was peaceful back then.

Thought provoking book. Borrowed it from Cardiff Central Library.
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1903529182/026-0245540-2406861

This book is called "Gringo Revolutionary" - by John Humphries - isbn 1-903529-18-2 - and is about Caryl Ap Rhys Pryce and his involvement in the Mexican revolution circa 1911 - remember "A Fistful of Dynamite" ? - on page 137 there is a picture of the insurrectos led by Pryce outside the Post Office inTijuana in May 1911 - with the red flag flying over it and the words on it are "Tierra & Libertad". I'm looking for some informative reviews : this is the only one I found, but I've got better ones for he other book ( below ).

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/features/tm_objectid=16452218&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=the-gringo-revolutionary-name_page.html#story_continue

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John Humphries has also written "The Man from the Alamo" - isbn 190352914X - about John Rees the Chartist insurrectionist - see

http://www.walesbooks.com/wb_book16.htm

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WALES TO THE ALAMO

ON THE TRAIL OF A CHARTIST HERO

A new book about the Chartist Rising puts an adventurer who was at the Alamo, and who later joined the California Gold Rush, at its centre

MIKE BUCKINGHAM reports

SOUTH WALES ARGUS September 11 2004

‘For three years you followed the trail of the mysterious and elusive Jack the Fifer. What would you think of him if you met him in the flesh?’

John Humphries, a tall, spare figure and the journalistic equivalent of a Rottweiler when he was editor of a morning paper (The Western Mail), shoots straight back. ‘He’d fascinate me. He was the man at the centre of events that fateful morning of November 4, 1839, when Chartists were shot dead outside the Westgate Hotel.’

With the dedication of an investigative reporter on the scent of a hot story, John Humphries has picked away at the Chartists’ tale, taking barely a word of what has previously been written for granted.

Where historians have been content to take ‘facts’ peddled by other historians as read, he has gone back to basics, examining land deeds and birth records and death and marriage registers until finally tracking down a pivotal but elusive character in Welsh history.

The story of the Chartist Rising, as most people understand, is that of the generalship of John Frost of Newport, with Zephaniah Williams and William Jones as his lieutenants, with several thousand men, angrily demanding universal suffrage, descended on Newport and stormed the Westgate Hotel. Troops stationed within the hotel opened fire, thus crushing an insurgency which, if successful in its aims, would have been the signal for a more general uprising.

The leaders were tried on the capital charge of treason, the death sentence later being commuted to transportation. John Rees, alias Jack the Fifer, who had been the Chartists’ sergeant-major, managed to flee the scene, however, and probably ended up in America.

‘My point is that Rees was more than a sergeant-major who organised the insurgents into ranks and files. Much, much more.’ John Humphries, whose house is buried deep in the Gwent countryside he loves with an incandescent passion, leans forwards in his seat as he speaks.

‘Everything I have found out about him leads me to believe he was a tough, professional soldier who may have served in the British Army and who certainly fought in the Texas-Mexico War of 1836.

Far from being a drill sergeant, I believe he was the Chartists’ tactician, and it may well have been Jack the Fifer who fired the first shot which provoked the Westgate Massacre.’

The word ‘massacre’ is chosen with care, for one of Humphries’ other contentions is that the soldiers of the 45th of Foot who were inside the Westgate and who unleashed the lethal volley, were a hand-picked squad which, only a year before, had quelled a riot in Kent with similar ferocity.

The battle for the Westgate was a brief but bloody affair. Some of the Chartists fought an entrance into the hotel, only to be shot down in a passageway. Scattered by the soldiers’ disciplined fire the Chartists fled, leaving some 20 dead in front of the hotel. Others were taken away by their comrades. How many died of their wounds is not known.

Frost was later seen weeping and distraught at Tredegar Park before being arrested at the home of a friend. William Jones was arrested at Crumlin and Zephaniah Williams just after boarding a ship in Cardiff bound for Portugal.

John Rees, alias Jack the Fifer, managed to slip away amid the confusion, the pall of gunsmoke and the screams of the dying. John Humphries, though, was on his tail. He uncovered a letter in The Times newspaper which had been copied in the Cambrian newspaper, in which Rees detailed his flight, first to Liverpool, then to Middlesbrough and Newcastle, and from there to New York and finally Virginia.

From there, Rees returned to Texas, where he had lived until shortly before returning to Gwent to take part in the Chartist Rising and where he had involved himself in some shady land dealings, and from Texas he joined the rush heading west on the gold trail – the ‘49ers’.

‘And there the trail goes cold. We don’t know much about john Rees, alias jack the Fifer, until he dies at Hornbrook in California on November 13th 1893, at the age of 78,’ Humphries says. ‘He must have confided in someone in California, though, because the date of his birth – March 4th, 1815 – as well as the date of his death is on the tombstone in the town cemetery.’

John Rees was a real adventurer: in the Texan-Mexican War, which started in 1836, he was captured along with 400 others who were promptly massacred by the Mexicans (The Goliad Massacre), and was only one of 28 to escape by swimming the San Antonio River.

‘After the war there was no money in Texas to pay the veterans, so they were paid in land. It was at this point his shady dealings came into it… I don’t suppose we will ever know exactly why John Rees came back to Wales to take part in the Chartist Rising, but after studying this man for three years I can say for sure he was someone who liked to live on the edge.’

There are other intriguing nuggets in the book. The fact that the 45th of Foot were the urban warfare specialists of their day is not generally known. Did the fact that such a skilled and ruthless unit was in Newport mean that the authorities were forewarned as to the nature of the threat?

There is an astonishing codicil to what even if the it’s revelations had been confined to Jack the Fifer, would have been a remarkable book. John Humphries actually went to Tasmania, and in a remote corner of the island discovered the Bible belonging to Zephaniah Williams’ family.

‘The Bible is inscribed with birth dates, and for the Williams’ five children and in the case of three of them, their deaths,’ he says. ‘Inexplicably, this great tome has remained in the same house which was built by Williams’ son-in-law for more than 100 years, even though the property has changed hands many times.’

The story of the swashbuckler who fought at the Alamo and in Newport and who became a prospector for Californian gold… an old Bible which has been gathering dust for more than a century… it’s all stuff to get the imaginative juices flowing.

John Humphries, having got the taste for historical research, is now engaged upon another project. Professional historians, who in the past have lazily accepted one another’s notions in a cosy intellectual non-aggression pact need look to their laurels.

There is a new kid on the block, and in pursuit of the truth he is as diligent and determined as a good journalist should be.


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WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE

By Gary Marsh

Cynon Valley Leader September 30th 2004

The escape route of Cynon Valley Chartist John Rees has been discovered after a 165-year search.

John Rees, then 24, succeeded in fleeing to America after hiding in the hills above Hiwaun following the Chartist Uprising in November, 1839. The Chartists pressed for Parliamentary reforms, including universal male suffrage, to improve the lot of working classes. Little is known about Rees – considered to be one of the leaders of the uprising. But a new book, The Man from the Alamo, traces the uprising, which ended in a massacre. The book, published this month, contains exclusive accounts of Rees’s escape.

A vast amount of research was undertaken by author and journalist, John Humphries. According to a newspaper report in 1844 – five years after the uprising, Rees wrote a letter from America to The Times.

‘This struck me as very strange,’ said Mr Humphries. ‘I felt that a Welsh speaker from Hirwaun would be unlikely to write a letter to the editor of The Times,’ said Mr Humphries, a former editor of The Western Mail. But it all came together for the author when he discovered that The Times reporter who covered the story was based in Swansea at the time!

‘The report contained a detailed account by Rees explaining his escape from Hirwaun to America,’ said Mr Humphries. John Frost, Zephaniah Williams and William Jones were sentenced to death for their part in the uprising. Rees was found guilty of high treason, but despite an extensive search of Hirwaun and neighbouring areas, he was never found.

‘Rees was the only committed revolutionary among the Chartist leaders,’ said Humphries. ‘Frost fled before his troops opened fire, and Williams and Jones were nowhere near. New evidence shows that Rees stepped from the crowd to lead the attack.’

But Rees is not the only person the author has researched. The Man from the Alamo also reveals what became of Zephaniah Williams. Williams, the son of a Penderyn farmer, never returned to Wales after being deported to Tasmania. ‘The information was discovered in a house in a remote corner of the Australian bush – in the Williams family Bible,’ said Mr Humphries.

‘The only surviving artefact of the Williams family was taken to Tasmania in 1854 by Zephaniah’s wife, Joan, when she left South Wales to join him in establishing a Welsh mining settlement on the Mersey River Coalfield in the north-west of the island.

Mr Humphries has also traced the names of almost 100 miners and their families recruited from Wales by Zephaniah Williams to work on his mines on Ballahoo Creek.
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Saw a brief mention of a review of a book called " Y Pair Dadeni, Hanes Gwersyll y Fron-Goch " ( The Cauldron of Rebirth, the History of Frongoch Camp ) by Lyn Ebenezer ( about the internment of those involved in the 1916 Easter Rising in Dublin )
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Hello Dai.
I wonder if I can find these books anywere maybe I'll have to check the mall by my house they have a good bookstore.


I read a little on the Easter rising in Dublin it was interesting how things didn't didn't go as planed.

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Fucking Hell. This is my third attempt to write this out. Is anybody else getting interfrence from adverts covering the screen and not being able to remove them without losing everything underneath ? I'm going to save every line. I am trying to write a review of this but am nearly out of time to do it.

Gwynfor Evans - " For The Sake Of Wales " - translated by Meic Stephens - isbn 1860570216 - Welsh Academic Press

FUCKING HELL IT DID IT AGAIN

read the book online at - http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=104768801

buy the book online at - http://www.gwales.com/goto/review/en/1860570216

read a review online at - http://www.welshamerican.com/REVgwynfor.htm

My review was not honey-tongued but I don't have time to rewrite it.
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Talking elsewhere today about the contemporary culture of Wales, a recent project has been to republish a lot of the key novels of the past century by the National Library of Wales - I don't know if I have got time to read the tome but I recommend "We Live" - written because a commitee of the communist party decided that such a novel was needed as propoganda - and simply appointed one of their number to write it ! ( Actually you get two novels - "Cwmardy" & "We Live" )

http://www.libraryofwales.org/low_detail.asp?book_ID=5
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http://www.ylolfa.com/dangos.php?lang=en&&ISBN=0862437237

"Rebuilding the Celtic Languages" - editor Diarmuid O Neill - Y Lolfa isbn 0862437237

Y Lolfa have reproduced the Preface, by Joshua Fishman, of this book as a pdf file.
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Just in the middle of reading this-


Shattered a few illusions for me-the guy sounds like a right weirdo-great poet though.
Apparently he spoke with an upper class English accent all his life-was from Cardiff,and only learnt Welsh in his mid-twenties.
Nothing wrong with that though -but id always imagined him as a full on Aberdaron soothsayer

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Tho whatever anyone says of him anyone who writes a poem like this is a true genus-
"We were a people taut for war; the hills
Were no harder, the thin grass
Clothed them more warmly than the coarse
Shirts our small bones.
We fought, and were always in retreat,
Like snow thawing upon the slopes
Of Mynydd Mawr; and yet the stranger
Never found our ultimate stand
In the thick woods, declaiming verse
To the sharp prompting of the harp.
Our kings died, or they were slain
By the old treachery at the ford.
Our bards perished, driven from the halls
Of nobles by the thorn and bramble.
We were a people bred on legends,
Warming our hands at the red past.
The great were ashamed of our loose rags
Clinging stubbornly to the proud tree
Of blood and birth, our lean bellies
And mud houses were a proof
Of our ineptitude for life.
We were a people wasting ourselves
In fruitless battles for our masters,
In lands to which we had no claim,
With men for whom we felt no hatred.
We were a people, and are so yet.
When we have finished quarrelling for crumbs
Under the table, or gnawing the bones
Of a dead culture, we will arise
And greet each other in a new dawn.

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I don't know whether you caught the news about Blair denouncing Iran for planning nuclear weapons but actually commissioning, apparently, a new generation of British super-nukes ? It's all go at the ministry of defence, hiring scientists and engineers by the hundreds, but total denial. So maybe a new Greenham protest needs to be planned, and as it happens a book is out on that subject - the launch, I've just learned from google, was today in the National Library of Wales - http://drwm.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/go.pl/show_event.html?uid=468

Anne Pettitt was interviewed on Woman's Hour about her book - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/02/2006_38_wed.shtml

You could patriotically order it from Honno - http://www.honno.co.uk/dangos.php?ISBN=1870206762

Amazon have a buy two for discount offer on this + "Common Ground " -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Walking-Greenham-Peace-Began-Ended/dp/1870206762

Walking to Greenham : How the Peace Camp began and the Cold War ended - Anne Pettitt - pub Honno £8.99 - isbn 1870206762

I was looking for a review but all I could turn up was this - http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,,1878809,00.html#article_continue

Walking to Greenham : How the Peace Camp began and the Cold War ended - Anne Pettitt - pub Honno £8.99 - isbn 1870206762
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/elizabeth.ercocklly/john.htm

This is an interview with the novelist John Summers about his book "The Disaster" which is about Aberfan and mentions the FWA.
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Very cool post on John Summers!

I'd like to see that documentary about the Welsh and the Civil War, so am looking for it around the libraries and video stores. I had an interesting conversation with a Welsh gentleman when I visited a museum in Ynys Mo^n. We talked a little about the commonalities between the Welsh and Americans for the desire for freedom. I felt I'd made a friend!

Like John Summers, didn't enjoy Kingley Amis' stuff either.

In terms of poetry, I love Menna Elfyn's work she did on the poem that uses a play-on-words technique between "Wales" and "Whales." I think it's the last line that says, " . . . a home, for a while, for the daily milking."

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In Caerphilly today and hanging around killing time trying to read this without paying for it in the visitors' centre...largely anecdotal and concentrating upon his later eccentricities rather than his earlier political life as a Chartist insurrectionist who went into exile in Paris, but it did tell me something that I didn't know before - Dr. William Price wasn't merely acquainted with Proudhon but on friendly terms with him and frequented his house to discuss political and philosophical ideas at length and often disagreed with him, having experience as a practical revolutionist.

Dr. William Price : Saint or Sinner ? - Cyril Bracegirdle - Carreg Gwalch - £5.75 isbn 0 86381 434 4

- and googling that I notice that Carreg Gwalch have another title of interest, has anybody read it ?

The Young Republicans -'Gweriniaethwr'. A record of the Welsh
Republicans Movement. 184pp. ISBN: 0-86381-250-3. Price:£4.50

To order see : http://www.carreg-gwalch.co.uk/english/welshhistorypeople2.htm
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I have just been struggling to quickly write this bit about this other Ursula Masson essay that I found recently in this book "The idiom of dissent" a copy of which is in Cardiff City Library (- see other items on suffragettes at - http://wales.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=97 )
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I have been reading another of Ursula Masson's essays about suffragettes in THE IDIOM OF DISSENT - protest and propoganda in Wales - ed T Robin Chapman - pub Gomer Press - isbn 1 84323 590 0 - Chapter 2 :

Women Versus "The People" : Language, Nation and Citizenship 1906-11 - Ursula Masson ( Lecturer in History, University of Glamorgan and chair of Women's Archive of Wales )

To try and quickly sketch out this essay, it is about how the Liberal Party in this period was typically patriarchal and did not live up to its own political ideals. The women in the party argued that they were people too, taxpayers also, and deserved the vote etc, and when the candidates selected by the Liberal party were openly hostile to women's suffrage they split into two groups, the larger of which withdrew from campaigning for these candidates which consequently cost the Liberal party seats. The women were accused of treachery, as if they and their work were the property of their husbands, fathers and other male party members. The relationship between the Liberal party and suffragettes both within and without it became very sour : first the suffragettes plagued public meetings with questions on votes for women so meetings became all-ticket affairs that only admitted women who were vouched for by men; then women were being forcibly ejected from these meetings and from picketing outside them so they held their own meetings in both halls and streets and these in turn were disrupted and attacked by male mobs licenced by the Liberal elite - ie. Lloyd George & co. Eventually a large number of women quit the Liberal party and gave up on constitutional methods for securing the vote for women. What followed were the more violent campaigns of arson and bombing. I presume that a lot of these women eventually moved to the Labour party, since Plaid Cymru shared the chauvinistic attitudes of the Liberal party up to 1945.

Masson tells this story through the context of politics in Cardiff and South Wales. She points out the violence done to these women by men who liked to pose as chivalrous themselves whilst denigrating their opponents as unatural and indecent. Not only occasional heckling by radical suffragettes was suppressed but even written questions submitted for approval beforehand by wives and mothers were suppressed by the men. It's a whole world away from what would be acceptable between the sexes in Wales now - atleast, provided the questions came from women of the same political party, meek and compliant questions. By 1910 they were actually banning ALL women from the Welsh National Liberal Council !!!

{ ME - In the days of Cymru Fydd when Lloyd George led the movement, Home Rule, Disestablishment, Temperance and Women's Enfranchisement had been the four causes of the Welsh Liberal Party that held its activists together. In turning on the women's cause Lloyd George can be argued to have severely damaged the British Liberal party, and in driving them out of he also drove out their nationalist allies and thus thoroughly destroyed the Welsh Liberal party. In 1918 Labour promised a measure of home rule to Wales that they did not deliver for 80 years, and then only half heartedly, and Plaid was founded in 1922. I think that it was also in 1918 that Sinn Fein also first capitalised on the suffragette vote}
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/02/2007_01_thu.shtml

Rachel Tresize was on Woman's hour this morning ( listen above ), having just won the Dylan thomas Prize for her short stories "Fresh Apples". I'll paraphrase a comment that she made which exactly sums up to me what should be the proper attitude to being Welsh and so isn't suprising coming from somebody who is from Rhondda, the Welshiest place on the planet.

" I'm a Welsh writer because I'm Welsh and I write...but I don't see myself as a 'Welsh writer' "

You can buy the book at http://www.gwales.com/search_basic/

+ Gwales ( the Welsh Book Council site ) have a sale on at the moment !
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/thinkingallowed/

On this programme today, the first article was a discussion with Craig Nelson, the auther of a new book on Tom Paine.

Nelson's website has an introductory overview - GOOD READ - http://craignelson.us/tompaine.html

special offer on his book and another - http://www.amazon.ca/Thomas-Paine-Craig-Nelson/dp/0670037885
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Best place for advertising books Emma - this where people will look

Anarchist Ian Bone has a new book out called BASH THE RICH dealing with his connections to Welsh republicanism and community struggles in Cardiff and Swansea in the 60s, 70s and 80s. A very funny and disarmingly honest read - anyone else here read it yet?

Well I thought I had started a discussion thread! But if not Bone's book is a good starting place as it straddles anarchism and welsh republicanism covering the FWA/WSRM/WAWR as well as anarchist groups in Cardiff and Swansea in the 60s and 70s and anti-corruption stuff in swansea.
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Somewhere above I posted about John Humphries' book ' The Man From The Alamo - Why the Welsh Chartist Uprising of 1839 Ended in a Massacre ' isbn 1-903529-14-X, and I found two copies of it in Cardiff Central Library yesterday - but I've no time to read it !! Perhaps you have and can review it ?

Today I am looking to see what newspapers they have from the 19c because of following up on what I posted yesterday at - http://wales.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=437#437 - and I'd like to draw attention to that and plug the book I used here.
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I've picked the dates for this thread on the grounds of the Treason Felony Act 1848 making it illegal to be a republican ( and this is still in force as I write - in 2007 ) and the WRM's public re-dedication of the Welsh Republican cause after the declaration of the Irish Republic in 1949. As I have mentioned before, in the hope that somebody will turn up something like pamphlets or minute books, there was an upsurge of republican activity in the UK up to the point when working men got to use the vote for the first time in 1885. My argument is that once they had achieved this the various radical groups in Wales almost instantaneously split up to pursue their individual agendas, the Liberal Party's future being made obvious by it having to wrestle internally with nationalists and being forced externally into various local coalitions with Labour candidates after 1885.

( This was in contrast to Ireland where under the pressure of the political circumstances there the splits didn't take place until they had secured effective political independance from the UK, at which point the civil war broke out and after which the losing republican side split into Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail. Southern Ireland, still being dominated by agriculture and small industrial concerns, never developed a Labour movement that could bid for power, especially in the face of a powerful Catholic Church opposed to socialism, and so nationalist and liberal republicanism predominated there whereas in Wales socialist and liberal forms of republicanism predominated and both had a very internationalist slant that seemed to be not merely indifferent to the fate of individual nations, but actively hostile to nationalism eg in the Spanish Civil War. )

Everything is grist to our mill, so please be on the look out for anything that you might post here eg references in books like this one below :
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Studies in Welsh History - No 6 - " Organise ! Organise ! Organise ! " - A Study of Reform Agitations in Wales 1840 - 1886, by Ryland Wallace. University of Wales Press 1991 isbn 0-7083-1078-8

This is a book that really conveys the diversity of political activity in 19c Wales and its a useful read.

P144 - Chapter 10 - Parliamentary Reform

[ In my opinion, it was more likely to be the influence of the Welsh American's involvement in the creation of the USA's new Republican Party, and perhaps returning Welshmen who had emigrated and fought in the USA's Civil War and now returned to work in the coal-boom bringing news of the dignity of being a citizen in a republic, that re-awakened republican sympathies in Wales, but Wallace says : ]

>>A less widespread but nevertheless significant campaign of the early seventies was the republican movement, fuelled in particular by the birth of the Third French Republic and by the continued withdrawal from the public eye of the grieving Queen Victoria a decade after the loss of Prince Albert. Republican clubs certainly operated in Cardiff and Merthyr in 1872-3, while knots of supporters also existed in Aberdare, Beaumaris, Carmarthen, and probably elsewhere in Wales. They tended to be anonymous organisations; at Carmarthen, for example, republicans met ' in a private house in preference to a "public", as it will not only look better, but we shall thereby gain the good-wishes and co-operation of the members' wives. ' (14)>>

The next section is upon the MCA - the Magna Carta Association, which advocated the abolition of income tax, triennial parliaments and the payment of MPs, and justice for the poor. MCA was much more active and a bigger movement than the republicans in the 1870's.

The contemporary newspaper references given at (14) :

Cardiff Times 23 Nov 1872 [ microfilm available in Cardiff Library ]

Merthyr Telegraph 15 March 1872

National Reformer 28 Jan 1872, 27 Oct 1872, 16 Mar 1873, 13 April 1873

Republican Herald 6 Jun 1874, 13 Jun 1874

The book references given at (14) :

Republicanism in nineteenth century England , R J Grossman - pp. 47-60 - International Review of Social History, 7 ( 1962 )

Before The Socialists ( Ch 5 ), R Harrison - ? - ( 1965 )

Victoria and Victorian Wales, John Davies - pp. 25-7 - Politics and Society in Wales, 1840 - 1922 , Essays in Honour of Ieuan Gwynedd Jones - G H Jenkins and J B Smith eds. ( 1988 )
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Went last night to Mark Lynas presenting a stripped down version of his argument in his book " Six Degrees - Our Future on a Hotter Planet " - food for thought, glad that I will already be dead due to the telomeres being stripped off my DNA by Margaret Thatcher and leave you lot to worry about global warming...join in his discussion on :

http://www.marklynas.org/sixdegrees

If you are going to this year's festival, on 28 May - Hay Festival of Literature - David Miliband, Jeremy Leggett and Mark Lynas will talk about climate change, 10am.
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Dydh da onen hag oll,

If anybody is interested you can find lists of good books on Cornwall (plus more) on this C24 thread: http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-155.htm
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject:

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Gorthkrist wrote:
Dydh da onen hag oll,




What does that mean Gorthkrist? It seems similar to what 'Dydd da un ac oll'.......not to say that's a common Welsh greeting. In English, 'Good day one and all'. I am not a linguist.

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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject:

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I helped out with the exhibition of Emily John's prints about her visit to Iran and its history, went to her slide show and talk etc on Sunday, and listened also to Milan Rai who came aswell but only talked briefly. Rai's books are rather heavy-duty reading on world politics so I bought from the books on display their friend & colleague Maya Anne Evans' book " Naming The Dead " - you can get it from www.j-n-v.org / JNV Publications.

For those of you who can't put a name to her face Maya is the young woman the police seized outside the gates Downing Street for daring to read out the names of the dead in the war on Iraq - she did this with Milan Rai, and their crime was to inform the police weeks beforehand that they were going to peaceably demonstrate - just two of them - but they refused to ask the permission of the police to do so on the grounds of freedom of speech ( they were, after all, just speaking ). She was thus the first person convicted of ' participating in an unauthorised demonstration ' ( in the vicinity of Parliament ) under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005.

Anybody planning demonstrations should read this book NOW
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Before I start - is anybody else finding themselves logged out of ctd during their session today ? It has happened twice already to me.

When I was helping out with emily john's exhibition I made notes of the books on the table - mostly by Milan Rai.

Emily Johns' exhibition ' catalogue ' was called " Drawing Paradise on the 'Axis of Evil' " but more than half of it consisted of essays by Milan Rai on the history of the Iranian nuclear issue - published by Justice Not Vengeance : www.j-n-v.org

Regime Unchanged - Milan Rai - 2003 - Pluto Press - isbn 07453 2199 2

7 / 7: The London Bombings, Islam and The Iraq War - Milan Rai - 2006 - Pluto Press - isbn 0 7453 2563 7

Tactical Trident - Milan Rai - Drava Papers - isbn 0951 818864

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows - David Potorti & Peaceful Tomorrows

That Agony is Our Triumph ( pamphlet ) - text Milan Rai - illustrations Emily Johns

Gene Genie : Making Choices About Genetic Engineering - critical Mass Group - Drava Papers - isbn 0951 818880
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Whilst computers were all screwed up, I browsed the library - new book - designed by pupils of Ysgol Penglais Comprehensive School, Aberystwyth and very nice coffee table book indeed. Produced by the Welsh Centre For International Affairs' using Heritage Lottery Funded ...well, anyway -

Wise and Foolish Dreamers / Breuddwydwyr Doeth a Ffol / Sonadores Sabios y Tontos - Phil Cope - Welsh Centre for International Affairs - isbn 978-0-9555812-0-5

It's a very brief history of the Spanish Civil War and Wales' part in it, with excerpts from books, memoirs, interviews, photos, pictures of posters etc

It's even got a picture of one of my favourite men in it, Captain Potato Jones, who really ought to have a pub named after him - when the UK government ( ought we to say Labour party ? ) were having the Royal Navy patrol the Spanish coast to maintain the non-intervention treaty ie by helping the Fascists ( who were approved of, we might note, by many in Plaid Cymru ), Captain Jones had a cargo of Potatoes and took it to Bilbao - breaking the blockade and winning glory for Wales by bringing back refugees. Soon the whole Welsh fleet was doing it and the UK government gave up.
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Helen Maria Williams and the Age of Revolution - Deborah Kennedy Bucknell University Press 2002
ISBN 0838755119

You poor unfortunates - I'm still waiting for the virus scan to finish and so I've found this on the net - a pdf of part of a book on Helen Maria Williams, poet of revolutionary France and citizenne of the Napoleonic republic, not related though to David Williams - but might have known him ! [ PS - Wiki biography here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Maria_Williams ]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DNTN7AaUgcsC&dq=helen+williams+french+revolution&pg=PA218&ots=H-FmotbCoE&sig=nloCx_9vD_35rq6ApWg91-mG3Tw&prev=http://www.google.co.uk/search%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26rls%3DGGIC,GGIC:2006-50,GGIC:en%26q%3Dhelen%2Bwilliams%2Bfrench%2Brevolution&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=3#PPP1,M1
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dai wrote:
the Royal Navy patrol the Spanish coast to maintain the non-intervention treaty ie by helping the Fascists ( who were approved of, we might note, by many in Plaid Cymru )


I'm with you with everything else in this post but if you're going to indulge in baseless slander you're going to have to source it.
Ambrose Bebb, it's well known, was a Plaid supporter who also backed the French far right in the 30s. Saunders Lewis had corporatist sympathies (a la GK Chesterton) but "many in Plaid Cymru"?
You might as well say "many in Plaid" had syndicalist sympathies based on the support of one or two of its founders.

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Fair comment Niclas, actually I edited it to imply that I didn't mean everybody and the person that I particularly had in mind was Saunders Lewis because of his Catholic sympathies and anger about the atrocities committed against priests by Spanish communists and anarchists which naturally I don't condone. It remains the case though that prior to Gwynfor Evans' influence in inducing the party to explicitly embrace a more socialist outlook after WW2 the sentiments of many in Plaid Cymru were anti-radical, even anti-democratic.

The fact that members of Plaid Cymru helped some Breton Nazi collaborators escape prosecution still stands against that party in my book - even though I understand that we needn't assume that these Breton nationalists were actual Nazis themselves. Contrast their opportunistic behaviour with that of the Indian Congress Party under Ghandi's leadership : they did not seek to take avantage of the British Empire being at war with the Axis powers but rather they treated their British opponents - it would be fair to say enemies - with consideration.

This stance of Ghandi's touches upon the important issue in republicanism of our promotion of the universality of human rights, and frankly I am going to state that this is what I believe lays down the dividing line between the Irish and Welsh republican traditions - we are with Ghandi : there can be no conditions attached to whether a person qualifies for our bestowing upon them those human rights that we claim for ourselves, even if they do not subscribe to those same societal values themselves. If we start to introduce a conditionality of people's qualification for human rights then the whole republican argument loses its moral authority. This is also what sets up the difference between the usage of the word 'republican' by nationalist parties like Sinn Fein and Plaid Cymru and internationalists. I appreciate that you may find my bracketing those two parties together outrageous because they are so different in their methods, but basically I perceive their shared political objectives to be based on geography rather than morality. They interpret the words 'Res Publica' to mean narrow self interest. Welsh republicans advocate a separate state for Wales because we are opposed to the narrow self-interest of the powerful communities that treat the UK as their property, so we don't want to merely substitute a Welsh Establishment for a Bitish one : our objective is a revolutionary one, and involves not merely resisting the compulsions that others lay upon us but also those we lay upon ourselves. We want our lives to to be guided by rational morality and a reasonable ethic, to build a new Wales according to our present day needs not bounded by past practices or future ambitions.

True republicans want people to be free to be themselves provided they do not do so at the expense of others, and so our politics is based on perceiving others to be like ourselves, that there is no peculiar merit in being Welsh : being born Welsh is not an achievement and learning your parents' language is simply normal. In Welsh republican eyes, those advocating the specialness of their being Welsh is suspect : the mark of political success for Welsh republicans would be to create a society in which it was unremarkable to be Welsh. Contrast this to a politics built upon our emphasising the differences between people, and of favouring people like ourselves over those who are different. The latter form of politics simply becomes a contest in the excercise of power and this inevitably tends to escalate into violence. It's really no good saying that Plaid Cymru isn't like Sinn Fein and its political stance would never issue forth into violence, the seeds of violence are already there in the cult of the nation and the aspiration to be a nation-state. Even the apparently innocent sympathy with others who aspire to the same objectives leads to evil when this excuses immoral behviour such as undermining the due processes of law and order by helping those Bretons avoid trial ( and I grant you that practical considerations like the fact that they wouldn't have got a fair trial will inevitably feed into real-life decisions ). I'm not ofcourse against Wales as an entity either socially, culturally or geographically - but I am against others mythologising about an imaginary Wales and Welshness that they then demand that I conform to in order to receive my 'rights' - after all, if they are not universally available to all they are not rights at all but priviledges that are bestowed conditionally, upon my offering sureties for my good behaviour.
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