Y Repwblic
Conversations with Wales' Republicans : Poblachiaethwyr - Repwbligwyr - Gweriniaethwyr

Construction, Deconstruction, Reconstruction, Subsumption

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Y Repwblic Forum Index -> Damcanol - Theoretical
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
dai



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 2636

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Construction, Deconstruction, Reconstruction, Subsumption Reply with quote

These terms may look as if they are all inter-related, but they tend to be used in different fields -

- ' Construction ' is mostly talked about in psychology, especially in PCP ( the Philosophy/Psychology of Personal Constructs ), but we should be paying careful attention to this type of commentary on the way that we develop both our own ideologies in politics but also how we might suspect that other people's ideologies are built up. I think that understanding the emotional content of other people's ideas should lead us into sympathy with them and make us more willing to seek to compromise with other's needs. Construction is a technique that is essentially scientific, deploying techniques such as Kelly's reportary gridsand Myers-Briggs PF16 tests to elicit the relationships of ideas and classify how people think - but it is worthwhile noting that both of these thinkers based their psychologies on philosophies derived from ancient Greek philosophers. Construction is essentially a modernist technique.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_construct_psychology

- ' Deconstruction ' is mostly talked about in literary circles and has been bitterly attacked by modernists as a prime example of the intellectual bankruptcy of post-modernist philosophy. It is particularly popular with left wing intellectuals who use it to pull apart what appear to be perfectly sensible statements and expose them as incoherent and meaningless, and as a technique it can provide a powerful form of political critique in the right hands. In the wrong hands it is little more than a shabby trick pulled by pretentious polemicists who lack any real intentions of enquiry into the ideology that they are examining but have a whole bunch of prejudices that they regularly excercise in ripping apart other people's texts e.g. feminists have alleged that scientific papers display patriarchal values rather than disinterested scientific method, have even questioned whether science itself can be non-patriarchal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

- ' Reconstruction ' is mostly talked about in religious circles but it also has strong political conotations as often as not associated with groups that reject the authority of the state in favour of the authority of religion, which seems to produce two opposing results : either extremely liberal / libertarian or communist / communitarian. There are Jewish, Christian, probably Islamic and definitely Neo-Pagan examples of Reconstructionist thought and practice - but more interesting for us are the interfaith ideas of Progressive Reconstructionists and the educational philosophies of Social Reconstructionists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Reconstructionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_reconstructionism

- ' Subsumption ' was the end of the title, and that is what these techniques should properly be directed towards - not gratuitously destroying other people's ideologies but in teasing them apart to understand another person in order to learn to work with them towards a constructive end. Some people however think that subsuming another's worldview in order to understand them is manipulative, deceiving them into believing that we sympathise and agree with their opinions when in fact we are simply trying to draw them into agreement with what we want.


Last edited by dai on Mon May 04, 2009 9:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dai



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 2636

PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also the metapolitics topic thread where I talk about Alain Badiou, who here is giving a lecture entitled " Destruction, Negation, Subtraction " using the sort of arguments deployed in Deconstruction ~ ie another variant ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zefBDXmoQaE ~ only he wraps up Marx with music and poetry.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dai



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 2636

PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sort of links to this - from a contribution to Marianne's thread ...

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=5503#5503

Awakening has always been a popular concept used in many ideologies ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2baCg8SHGM - THE AWAKENING ( Political-Medical )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBKSHrh9CY8 - The Awakening ( Mythical-Scientifical )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GB70qpIi-s - Awakening ( Conspiracy against The Illuminati )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUfuQLXbZvI - Awakening ( Conspiracy against The Jesuits )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_QXnrVD-uk - Awakening ( " The Seven Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYVjYWMOcQ4 - Awakening ( " The Five Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPeZvhCMpbg - Awakening ( " The Nine Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9R5KP55Tw - Awakening ( " Another Seven Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBvvYDKG2w - Awakening ( " Other Four Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mad0nHOAiqQ - Awakening ( " Fifteen Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr_DKdOgy0w - Awakening ( " Twenty One Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCRow9eCCQ - Awakening ( " Fourteen Stages " )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z9ZOVbLjQM - Awakening ( " Fifty One Stages " )

Oh those are getting silly ... does " Awakening " mean daydreams ... or nightmares ?

The Awakening - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYU9FV8Wxc8

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Destutt_de_Tracy

Antoine Louis Claude Destutt, comte de Tracy ( 20 July 1754 – 9 March 1836) was a French Enlightenment aristocrat and philosopher who coined the term "ideology". ... Under the Reign of Terror, he was arrested and imprisoned for nearly a year, during which he studied Condillac and Locke, and abandoned the natural sciences for philosophy. ... which formed the first draft of his comprehensive work on ideology, named Eléments d'idéologie. ... He conceived of ideology as the "science of ideas." ... The society of "ideologists" at Auteuil ... Destutt de Tracy was one of the principal advocates of liberalism during and after the Revolution. ... Tracy rejected monarchism, favoring the American republican form of government. This republicanism, as well as his advocacy of reason in philosophy and laissez-faire for economic policy, lost him favor with Napoleon, who turned Tracy's coinage of "ideology" into a term of abuse ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

Ideology (from Greek ιδεολογία) is a comprehensive set of normative beliefs, conscious and unconscious ideas, that an individual, group or society has. ... An ideology is narrower in ambit than the ideas expressed in concepts such as worldview, imaginary and ontology. ... Political ideologies can be proposed by the dominant class of society such as the elite to all members of society as suggested in some Marxist and critical-theory accounts. In societies that distinguish between public and private life, every political or economic tendency entails ideology, whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought. ... In the Althusserian sense, ideology is "the imaginary relation to the real conditions of existence".

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So what does " awakening " mean ? Can an airy noise " mean " anything ?

Surely meanings are made in minds which are constructed within societies ?

Destitute Tracey's " Ideology " is the ancestor of Jacques Derrida's " Deconstruction "

i.e. " Ideology " and " Deconstruction " were made in minds at different times in our society ...

... Words whose definitions which we might seize upon for Y Repwblic's purposes -

diachronic - Concerned with the way in which something, especially language, has developed and evolved through time.

synchronic - Concerned with something, especially a language, as it exists at one point in time. ‘synchronic linguistics’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrony_and_diachrony

Synchrony and diachrony are two different and complementary viewpoints in linguistic analysis. A synchronic approach (from Greek συν- "together" and χρόνος "time") considers a language at a moment in time without taking its history into account. Synchronic linguistics aims at describing a language at a specific point of time, usually the present. By contrast, a diachronic approach (from δια- "through" and χρόνος "time") considers the development and evolution of a language through history. Historical linguistics is typically a diachronic study.

The concepts were theorized by the Swiss linguist Ferdinand de Saussure, professor of general linguistics in Geneva from 1896 to 1911, and appeared in writing in his posthumous Course in General Linguistics published in 1916. In contrast with most of his predecessors, who focused on historical evolution of languages, Saussure emphasized the primacy of synchronic analysis to understand their inner functioning, though never forgetting the importance of complementary diachrony. This dualistic opposition has been carried over into philosophy and sociology, for instance by Roland Barthes and Jean-Paul Sartre. Jacques Lacan also used it for psychoanalysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

Deconstruction is a name commonly associated with philosopher Jacques Derrida's critical outlook over the relationship between text and meaning.

Derrida's approach consists in conducting readings of texts with an ear to what runs counter to the structural unity or intended sense of a particular text. The purpose is to expose that the object of language and that which any text is founded upon is irreducibly complex, unstable, or impossible. Throughout his readings, Derrida hoped to show deconstruction at work, i.e., the ways that this originary complexity—which by definition cannot ever be completely known—works its structuring and destructuring effects.

... Jacques Derrida's 1967 work Of Grammatology introduced the majority of ideas influential within deconstruction. According to Derrida and taking inspiration from the work of Ferdinand de Saussure, language as a system of signs and words only has meaning because of the contrast between these signs. As Rorty contends, "words have meaning only because of contrast-effects with other words...no word can acquire meaning in the way in which philosophers from Aristotle to Bertrand Russell have hoped it might—by being the unmediated expression of something non-linguistic ( e.g., an emotion, a sense-datum, a physical object, an idea, a Platonic Form.)" As a consequence meaning is never present, but rather is deferred to other signs. Derrida refers to the — in this view, mistaken — belief that there is a self-sufficient, non-deferred meaning as metaphysics of presence. A concept then must be understood in the context of its opposite, such as being/nothingness, normal/abnormal, speech/writing, ...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Moritz



Joined: 10 Mar 2014
Posts: 225

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBKSHrh9CY8 - The Awakening ( Mythical-Scientifical )
with neuron and brains, some interesting bits
Starts

But then he talks Quantum, some bits are Ministry of the bleeding Obvious, some are Metaphysical consciousness! Man.

ALL are delivered in this slow monotonous voice, a fake Morgan Freeman accent but reassuringly expensive, This guy is being paid by the hour to recite the script. WRONG he is being paid by the month.
_________________
Liberty - Equality - Fraternity : Aux armes, Citoyens !

War is Politics by other Methods - General von Clausewitz
Politics is War by other Methods - Some guy on the Internet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Y Repwblic Forum Index -> Damcanol - Theoretical All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


© 2007-2008 Informe.com. Get Free Forum Hosting
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
 :: 
PurplePearl_C 1.02 Theme was programmed by DEVPPL JavaScript Forum
Images were made by DEVPPL Flash Games