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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dai

What have you done to the format?

In the old days, each message was there on the computer screen and could be read.

Now you improved it so the message runs off both to the left and right portions of the screen.

I used to whinge that your posts were a wall of text.
Now they are a single line of text disappearing into infinity.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daf - you have set your computer to view webpages zoomed in + width expands to that of the illustrations ?

Care to comment on my frustration at The Political Ignorance of The Demockerats in trashing the accepted basis of political discourse ?

C'mon - you know you want to ... you absolutely disagree with this do you not ?

You surely understand that it is disastrous for any kind of political system for The Consent of The People to be assumed not solicited ?

For The Democrats in Wales and The World to not only cite The Electoral Register as their " Democratic Mandate " - when less than half of The People registered on it turn out to vote and thus register their consent to The United Kingdom and the other half deem it to be a futile exercise - but then to remedy the fact that millions of others have not registered ( because they are so offended by it - or so indifferent to it - because they know that it has not been constructed for their benefit ) they come up with the obvious solution for those who do not intend to ever submit to obedience to The People - they dispense with The Consent of The People altogether : The Democrats have declared in The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 that they will not only continue to claim a Democratic Mandate by substituting for it the number of names on The Electoral Register - but also -

- but also - since even the number of those on The Electoral Register in some constituencies had fallen below fifty percent of the adult population in those areas devastated by the policies of the supporters of the non-political system which they do not call The Dis-United Kingdom ( because they are the ones who have been setting everybody at each others' throats whilst denouncing those disaffected towards them ) - they will now supply a sufficient number of names themselves i.e. they have no further need of The People in Wales or The World - because other regimes are right now copying the idea - because they have their names ... In fact they do not even want our names - except for the maintaining the appearances of something vaguely like a political system founded upon consent : so long as The People in Wales continue to believe that The Democrats in Wales are just being helpful and sort of making things easy for ... well, themselves of course - not us ! ...

... And there is a way to ... not so much stop this " Demockery " but to stop " The Demockerats in Wales " enforcing this malicious law with their vicious tactics of harassment and intimidation even before they start threatening prosecutions, fines and jail sentences " I have a cunning plan ... " but it does involve my risking jail and possibly bankruptcy ...

... BUT I AM SO ANGRY ...

And I see no point in expecting The People in Wales to understand that this really is not some trivial quibbling over a nit-picking point which is significant only to my own widely mis-understood take on Republican political philosophy ... Now : Daf - you are my best-ish friend and we know that neither of us are saints so we are probably destined for martyrdoms of some sort ... Oh - god-that-I-not-believe-in-but-have-faith-in : please remind me of the name of that Monty Python sketch ... ( This the point in historical Welsh political practice that all those around the orator's soap box suddenly remember that they are immensely interested in the latest advances in leek technology and try to casually walk away as the magistrate protests as the officer impatiently tears The Riot Act out of his hands whilst shouting " FIX BAYONETS ! " ) ... Oh - sod it : this must be the sort of occasion for a bit of political proetry ...

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The Democrats who rule over us do so as from above :_They grab at us and push us down - and then begin to shove_Their elections up against our seats - to get into every count ... _Thus the frustration of The Republicans each time begins to mount -_At their raping of The People - instead of making Love ...

The Democrats who rule over us do so as from above :_
They grab at us and push us down - and then begin to shove_
Their elections up against our seats - to get into every count ... _
Thus the frustration of The Republicans each time begins to mount -_
At their raping of The People - instead of making Love ...

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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If you accept the English law its principle is sad :_You will all be counted harmless - provided that you're mad ! _But if you are striving to be sane -_Or at least some understanding feign -_Then you will become a Republican(e) - and they'll think of you as someone bad.

If you accept the English law its principle is sad :_
You will all be counted harmless - provided that you're mad ! _
But if you are striving to be sane -_
Or at least some understanding feign -_
Then you will become a Republican(e) - and they'll think of you as someone bad.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Care to comment on my frustration at The Political Ignorance of The Demockerats in trashing the accepted basis of political discourse ?
And what pray is the accepted basis of political discourse ? is it by any chance some random quote from Plato or Cicero or Sir Thomas More that you have exalted into a Sacred Principle?

And this accepted basis of political discourse ? is too Holy to tell Peasants about, which means that everybody in the whole Universe is doing political discourse wrong. Well you would say that wouldn't you? (wst)

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You surely understand that it is disastrous for any kind of political system for The Consent of The People to be assumed not solicited ?

No. It is very convenient for the Political System to put Fluoride, Bromide etc into the water supply and make the people believe they want to obey.

Capitalism is an unjust political system. You are surprised; you got some random quote from Cicero that an unjust political system will immediately collapse. You ignore 300 years of Capitalism, a millennium of Feudalism and another millennium of Roman Empire.

You want to get arrested for your electoral shannanigans and the Electoral Commission can't be assed because you are just a random nutter.
And you keep trying to get arrested by the Electoral Commission expecially because you know they can't be assed so that you may whimsically whinge "I demand the Right to be Oppressed."

You are Burkini cocko Meter and I claim my £5.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm ... surely you owe me £5 - call it quits ?

I think that " the accepted basis of political discourse " is facts and arguments from wherever they come - otherwise everything is steadily reduced to the non-political discourse of rival sectarian groups just hurling insults at each other and contriving to exclude each other from the political system until we end up with the kind of embarrassing non-politics of The House of Commons where there are no facts and arguments - just Pantomime Prime Ministers ... whilst some would argue that The Communists etc should be represented in order to ensure that ( Welsh Political Society ! ) is Liberal and pluralistic - I would say that is still more non-political pantomime akin to picking election candidates with an over-conscious emphasis upon proportional racial representation - and indeed our political parties select racially flavoured candidates in the same way that toddlers insist on eating jelly-babies : they insist upon biting their legs off one by one - then chewing on the arms and abdomens in rotation - and finally sucking their brains out ... oh ... no - that must be the wrong way round ... surely ?

I think that " the accepted basis of political discourse " is facts and arguments from wherever they come - and that means that if they are being presented by The Communists then nobody should bat an eyelid : in a real political system it is not founded upon how to obtain votes in order to remove governments but operates upon how to obtain facts in order to improve arguments. A Political System is a decision making process and as such it is necessary to obtain facts and arguments in order to make them available to The People in Wales in order to increase the amount of information available to them in Welsh Political Society - The Political Authority to agree the laws and policies is not vested in " The People " as Democrats define them " Vox Populi Vox Dei " but in " The General Will " which arises out of the dialectical process of considering the facts and the arguments brought forward by those individuals who possess them : Pure Republicanism rejects electing sectarian political parties because they are only created to perpetrate themselves and they erect non-political systems in order to permanently entrench themselves and repel all facts and arguments which might lead to any loss of control over The State.

The United Kingdom is exactly just such a non-political system in which despite their professed differences The Democrats in Westminster are de facto a single political party which is united by a deep antipathy towards anybody trying to approach them with facts and arguments i.e. trying to actually do politics : unless there are strong constitutional arrangements to protect The Political System from those Ultraists who would subvert it - i.e. Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats, Monocrats - then you can successively kiss good bye to any Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace ... Life ... and Politics ... The only reason why The People in Wales believe that The United Kingdom is a Democracy and that is a good thing is because they taught to parrot these things - they can not tell you what " Democracy " means - they do not know that The United Kingdom is not a Monarchy but an Aristocracy - and they will not listen to the facts which demonstrate the arguments against Democracy : The People in Wales are like little children who refuse to be warned about their mad bad Mummies and Daddies in The Welsh Assembly having re-wired their house by copying what they once heard a fairy tale about ... so The People in Wales just keep sticking their fingers into these broken electorial sockets and getting nasty shocks and wailing - and there is in fact no point bothering in trying to explain it to either them or their maliciously Democratic parents : it really only needs to be one of us to throw the switch in order to not only leave the The Electoral Registration Act 2013 powerless until repaired but also to render all of The Electoral Registers in The United Kingdom unusable : if we can succeed ...

... Care to bet £5 on the outcome of my trial ?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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rival sectarian groups just hurling insults at each other and
= normal political discourse.

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in a real political system it is not founded upon how to obtain votes in order to remove governments but operates upon how to obtain facts in order to improve arguments.
So actual politix that people do is unreal? Real politix is a thing that never has happened and never can?

Real politix is doing what Plato and Hobbes say = bowing and worshipping Aristos?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Kingdom's " Government and Politics in Britain " - published by Polity - 1st ed 1991 - Introduction : Studying Politics - What is Politics ?

" ... Human life is not a tranquil experience ... Differences are voiced in arguments in pubs and clubs [ = WHICH I AM ARGUING IS WHERE THE POLITICS TAKES PLACE ] and MPs are elected to continue the arguments in Parliament. [ = WHICH I AM ARGUING THEREFORE HAS NO POLITICAL AUTHORITY - EVERYTHING IS TOPSY-TURVY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM BECAUSE THE MPs CLAIM THAT THE STATE IS THE SOURCE OF THEIR AUTHORITY TO RULE US : THE STATE IS A MECHANISM AND THEREFORE HAS NO VOLITION OTHER THAN THAT OF THOSE WHO CONTROL IT - CLEARLY THE ARISTOCRACY CONTROL THE STATE BECAUSE IT SERVES THEIR PRIVATE INTERESTS - AND HAS EXPLICITLY DONE SO SINCE 1688 = IF YOU OR I MAKE ANY FINANCIAL MISTAKES THEN THE SUPPOSED SAFETY NET OF THE WELFARE STATE MEANS THAT WE WILL END UP HOMELESS ALBEIT NOBODY ELSE LOSES THEIR HOME AS A RESULT - IN CONTRAST WHEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE " THE BEST " AND THEREFORE QUALIFIED TO RULE US ( BECAUSE BY ACCIDENT OR DESIGN THEY HAVE TAKEN AN UNQUALIFIED SHARE IN THE WEALTH IN OUR SOCIETY ) MAKE A FINANCIAL MISTAKE THEY END UP RE-POSSESSING THE HOMES OF THOSE INDEBTED TO THEM WHO CAN NOT REPAY THEM BECAUSE THE ARISTOCRACY HAVE SCREWED UP THE ECONOMY AND MADE UNEMPLOYED THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO PRODUCE WEALTH IN REAL ECONOMIC TERMS INSTEAD OF SIMPLY WRITING THEMSELVES BIGGER CHEQUES ...

... AS THE ARISTOCRATS USUALLY CAN ALWAYS DO BECAUSE THEY OWN THE BANKS : OF COURSE THE BANK OF ENGLAND IS THE BANK OF LAST RESORT - AND THAT IS WHY THE ARISTOCRATS ARE SO VERY CAREFUL TO ENSURE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE OBEDIENT TO THEM AS WE WITNESSED IN 2008 ... BUT THAT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME EVEN IN OUR LIFETIMES THAT WE WITNESSED THAT THERE IS ONLY ONLY ONE PARTY IN THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHOSE SUPPORTERS DO NOT CALL IT " THE DIS-UNITED KINGDOM." ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER RUSHED TO TAKE MONEY FROM THOSE IMPOVERISHED BY THE ARISTOCRATS AND GIVE IT TO THE BANKERS I.E. TO PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT THE ARISTOCRATS HAVE AMMASSED FROM CENTURIES OF FEUDALISM, IMPERIALISM, INDUSTRIALISATION AND CAPITALISM : EACH OF THESE HAVE BEEN UNMASKED IN TURN OVER THE CENTURIES AND THEIR CLAIMS TO BE JUST HAVE IN TURN BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE FALSE ...

... EACH OF THESE REPRESENT SUCCESSIVE COUPS BY NEW COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST WHICH DISPLACED THOSE PREVIOUSLY CONTROLLING THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED " THE UNITED KINGDOM " ... THE CAPITALISTS HAVE DECIDED THAT THEIR GAME IS OVER IN BRITAIN : THEY HAVE STRIPPED THE REAL ECONOMY TO THE BARE BONES AND THEY ARE PROGRESSIVELY MOVING THEIR REMAINING CAPITAL ASSETS OFF-SHORE ... ALL OF THE MAJOR BANKS HAVE MADE CONTINGENCY PLANS IN ORDER TO BE READY TO RELOCATE INTO OTHER PLACES BOTH REAL AND VIRTUAL AND THEY CAN LITERALLY DO THIS OVERNIGHT. I DO NOT MIND IF THE PEOPLE IN WALES WANT TO BE SENTIMENTAL ABOUT THE ROYAL FAMILY - I DO MIND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A FUNCTIONING POLITICAL SYSTEM BECAUSE ECONOMICALLY WE ARE DEPENDENT UPON HANDOUTS FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM WHICH IS A NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH ENSLAVES THE PEOPLE IN SOMETHING AKIN TO A PYRAMID SCHEME RUN BY DELUDED PHAROAHS WORSHIPING A BUNCH OF FALSE GODS ... HOW MANY MORE PLAGUES OF DEMOCRATS DO YOU WANT TO ENDURE ? ]


Dear Daf,

- in The EU Referendum we took opposite views - you were for " Leave " and I was for " Remain " - but surely we can agree upon one thing ... The Democrats in Wales and Westminster all lied and they were acting like wolves falling upon the flock of The People : the basis of Democracy was laid open to view with the sectarian bickering within the parties leading to leadership contests which demonstrated how The Aristocrats whom The Democrats serve can reach right into them in order to get rid of those leaders who have displeased them. This has made clear to everybody surely that The United Kingdom is not a political system : facts and arguments count for nothing in Democracy - it is about securing power over The State and The Party by obtaining votes and it does not matter to The Democrats how they obtain power nor are they interested in debating the wisdom of their policies or the justice of their laws once they have obtained power ... very conveniently we have simultaneously witnessed " The Republican Party " - in reality long since estranged from Republicanism - in The USA being devastated by the new rules that were introduced for funding political campaigns ...

... The Aristocrat Donald Trump thinks that he can simply purchase the office of The President of The USA - and as a business man who is good at self-promotion he may well have correctly calculated his tender for the contract from The Democrats in " The Republican Party." ... Could this be the approaching stasis that I have predicted for circa 2050 actually arriving early ? ... Republican theory predicts that when enough money has been acquired The Aristocrats will simply dispense with The Democrats and take control of The State in order to fix the markets to serve their private interests : they will present very plausible arguments for this about the need to control foreign imports and the benefits of private enterprise as they carve out huge sectors of The State's activities for themselves whilst capturing The People as a " customers " who will be compelled to buy their " goods " with the " prices " set to guarantee profits which their corporations could not possibly obtain in competition with each other if The People could elect The Democrats to decide how to raise and spend taxes. The Aristocrats will be generous of course whilst they drive down incomes and offer to loan The People money and then bind them to their non-political system with debt ...

... I am not just thinking about modern mortgages and student loans here - I am looking back to the early 19c when these things last happened - before The Chartists began to struggle against these abuses and advocated that voting would be their cure : well - we finally got one adult one vote after World War Two and the disease persists ... The cure was well understood in the 18c : get rid of The United Kingdom and replace it with The United Republic - because the best defence against Ultraism in whatever form it manifests itself - Hierocracy, Democracy, Aristocracy, Monocracy - is to get rid of the false idea of " Sovereignty " so that nobody can claim to be above The Law and then to introduce a strong legal system which is free at the point of need so that everybody can use the power The State to assert The Public Interest but nobody can obtain any control over The State in order to use it to pursue their private interests ... A variety of political systems could co-exist for the purposes of governing The United Republic - and as you know I think that within a unifying legal framework there can be a plurality of courts, laws and governments which ought to reflect the realities of the human relationships involved and therefore they ought not to be based upon geographical territories - but one thing has to be counted to be a stark necessity : CONSENT !

You can tell whether you are encountering a non-political system because it will have a law to coerce you to endorse it : The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013.


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I was going to quote a little more from John Kingdom's book - please note that this book is one of the standard texts in use and its description of politics in " The United Kingdom " conveys what I mean about it being a non-political system : he is not a conspiracy theorist but an acredited academic - arguably a supporter of The British Establishment.

... " such examples would be recognized as political events " - " blood and death " - in public demonstrations, riots, strikes, hunger strikes, fatal injuries, suicide bombers and police violence such as shootings ... [ DO YOU RECOGNISE THE REAL UK IN THIS ? ]

" Politics can be seen variously as concerned with the art of compromise, the exercise of authority, the acquisition of power and as a form of devious deception."

Apparently John Kingdom subscribes to Bernard Crick's description - " Politics is not just a necessary evil ; it is a realistic good. Political activity is a type of moral activity ; it is a free activity, and it is inventive, flexible, enjoyable, and human."

Politics as Authority - is derived from Legitimacy : The People obey because they think that they ought to - but why do they think that they ought to ? Kingdom quotes Weber's three kinds of authority : charismatic ; traditional ; legal ... all three of which " The United Kingdom " is now devoid of ? ... Nomocracy's authority rests upon Justice.

Politics as Power - i.e. what I term " Ultraism " - how to get what you want using whatever you have got - coercing others by manipulating them through ideas, emotions, economics, violence : Hierocracy, Democracy, Aristocracy, Monocracy - all four of these varieties of Ultraist strategy are being deployed by the communities of private interest which are benefitig from the non-political system which they do not call " The Dis-United Kingdom." In contrast Nomocracy - i.e. " Pure Republicanism" - is Altruistic : it recommends that we do not fight fire with fire in this disastrous conflaguration within Welsh Political Society - Altruism is the remedy for Ultraism ... if you do not believe me ... the next time that you find your kitchen on fire - try the remedy of setting the rest of your home on fire.

[ You know what will happen now as soon as members of The Conservative & Unionist Party read that bit do you not ? They will start reminiscing about Alec Douglas Home and The Little Box of Matches - and in a blink of The Eye the next thing we will hear about will be that they will be begging for unpaid internships in Brasier & May's fussy jaw factory ... Strike The Light - eh ? ... For those of us who believe that The Democrats are not selected to be elected to represent The People but to serve The Bankers - who de facto are the representatives of The Aristocrats - is there not something exquisite in the Conservative & Unionist Party selecting Theresa Brasier to be The Prime Minister who is married to The Banker Philip May - and who is now hurrying to implement " Brexit " which was by and large apparently funded by The Bankers in The City of London in order to stop The European Union finally opening it up to competition from The Bankers in Europe ? ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_ministry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_May
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_matchgirls_strike_of_1888
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Douglas-Home#Prime_Minister_.281963.E2.80.9364.29

"When I have to read economic documents I have to have a box of matches and start moving them into position to simplify and illustrate the points to myself." - Alec Douglas-Home ( a jokey remark which he made before he was Prime Minister which was used by Harold Wilson and others to vilify him after the scandal of his selection not election to that office : he was Baron Home of The Hirsel - and renounced his peerage.)


Politics as Deception - " ... the British Cabinet itself was originally a secretive group of ministers scheming together as a cabal. ... Machiavelli's essential point ... ' when the act accuses, the end excuses ' ... leads to deception ... Benjamin Disraeli ... ' the art of governing mankind through deceiving them ' ... English political essayist Walter Bagehot ( 1826 - 1877 ) placed particular stress upon the deception of the masses as a key to successful government ... spin doctors can generate a great mist of deceptive activity ( including official secrecy.) ... [ DO YOU NOT RECOGNISE THE REAL UK IN THIS ? ]

I know Daf - I know : those are what you take to be " Real Politix " - and you think that I am naive ... but surely we must assert the Common Sense Philosophy that The People do not consent to their relationships because a Hierocrat stands over them babbling about God, or some Democrat is trying to single them out as objects of public contempt, or some Aristocrat is luring them into it to exploit them, or some Monocrat is threatening them ... The Rule of Law never stopped anybody telling lies, spreading hatred, contriving enslavement or starting a war - nor does The English Law : the difference is that between Altruism and Ultraism - The English Law actually licences criminality because The Ultraists who make it have refined their arguments as to why the laws that they make should not apply to themselves and elevated this subversion of The State by giving it a posh name - " Sovereignty " ... and what this means in practice is that when a law is obviously unjust - or just unworkable - they declare that " The Rule of Law " means that any person making a demonstration of the fact that there is something wrong with that law is doing wrong : to refuse to comply with an unjust law is bad enough - The Democrats know that their laws are unjust and unworkable and they do not care - but for someone to go into a courtroom and demonstrate this is an attack upon their control of The State ... Remind me - was it not The Democrats in ( 19c Mississipi ? ) who were all selected and elected from a small group of easy-going ( but God Fearing ) ordinary folk who felt that mathematics ought to be simplified so that it would be easier, quicker ... more Democratic ... so they legislated that " Pi = 3 " and refused to accept any calculations for a bridge competition that they could not understand ... they awarded the prize to the hottest-diggiddy-pretty-est bridge design you ever never did see - because it collapsed. The Law of The People can not over-rule The Law of Nature - those societies which disregard it can also collapse.

My apologies to Indiana - or Mississipi - and bridges in general ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

The " Nomos " is " The Law of Nature " and it can not be legislated away by anybody : it is the source of all authority because in Renaissance Republicanisms which were based upon theology it was accepted that only God was above The Law of Nature because he was Sovereign i.e. as The Creator of The World and The Author of The Law of Nature He is " beyond the boundary " but He is not an " Ultraist " - being omnipotent He could choose to seize power but He does not because He is an " Altruist " for whom The World utterly " Other " and whilst He could if He wished choose to perform miracles He does not : He exercises his authority - i.e. as The Author of The Law - in an advisory manner - " If you do X in response to Y then the result will by Z " - and otherwise does not interfere ... The term " The Acts of God " in Medieval courtrooms was not a plea by an insurance company to not be liable for unusual and costly " miraculous " events - the Medieval judges were neither so stupid nor so superstitious - it meant that it was not possible to call God into the witness box to ask Him what happened ... this did not however stop Medieval lawyers from suing God - they just sued Him in his absence ... On occasions the Medieval judges even awarded damages against God and in handing down the judgment recommended that these Medieval lawyers take these orders and go ask advice upon how to serve these summons upon God from The Black Friars ...

The Nomos is the source of authority in Nomocracy i.e. Republicanism - The Divine Law rules The Cosmos - The Law of Nature frames The World - The Individual Lives of The People provide The Facts and The Arguments - The Religious Discourses of The People decide The Morals from which The Political Discourses decide The Ethics - The Law of The People is the record of their present understanding of The Law of Nature : the former must be constantly debated and revised to approximate to the latter - The Nomos is not God and therefore neither punitive nor rewarding nor superstitious ... The Nomos is The Unbreakable Law of cause and effect - and therefore - The Law of The State of The People must not be opposed to The Law of Nature : Nomocracy predicts that if The Law compels The State and The People into the actions of The Left Hand Path of Sinister Politics - Lies, Hatred, Slavery, War ... Death - then the reactions to this will also be Sinister Politics ... so ... Choose Life - Choose Peace - Choose Freedom - Choose Love - Choose The Truth : The United Kingdom is on The Left Hand Path of Sinister Politics !!! SAY NO TO DREGS !!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just skimming the above the following morning it occurs to me that The Timid in Wales and The World might regard my objecting to a policy or campaigning to strike down a law or to advocate the end of The State as something radical - it is not : all those who are against policies and laws are by definition " against The State " because that is all that " The State " is ... hence all those who defend " The United Kingdom " are doing is exactly the same - advocating for a certain way of doing things : the only difference is that they claim that their errors are justified by the sanction of centuries of repetition ... and what does " sanction " mean ? ... It is yet another one of those terms which were drawn into the ' philosophical ' discourses of Neo-Classical Republicanism ( c1650 - 1850 ) from the ' religious ' discourses of Renaissance Republicanism ( c1450 - 1850 ) and finally utterly stripped of its original meaning in the ' scientific ' discourses of Modernist Republicanism ( c1850 - 2050 ? ) ...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sanctity

Sanctity

1. Holiness of life or disposition; saintliness.
2. The quality or condition of being considered sacred; inviolability.
3. Something considered sacred.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sanction


1. Authoritative permission or approval that makes a course of action valid.
2. Support or encouragement, as from public opinion or established custom.
3. A consideration, influence, or principle that dictates an ethical choice.
4.
a. The penalty for noncompliance with a law or legal order.
b. A penalty, specified or in the form of moral pressure, that acts to ensure compliance with a social standard or norm.
c. A coercive measure adopted usually by several nations acting together against a nation violating international law.

tr.v. sanc·tioned, sanc·tion·ing, sanc·tions

1. To give official authorization or approval to: voting rights that are sanctioned by law.
2. To encourage or tolerate by indicating approval: His colleagues sanctioned his new research.
3. To penalize, as for violating a moral principle or international law: "Half of the public defenders of accused murderers were sanctioned by the Texas bar for legal misbehavior or incompetence" (Garry Wills).

[Middle English, enactment of a law, from Old French, ecclesiastical decree, from Latin sānctiō, sānctiōn-, binding law, penal sanction, from sānctus, holy; see sanctify.]

[ THERE ARE OTHER DEFINITIONS REPORTED ON THAT PAGE WHICH HAS THIS EXPLANATORY PARAGRAPH ]

Word History: Occasionally, a word can have contradictory meanings. Such a case is represented by sanction, which can mean both "to allow, encourage" and "to punish so as to deter." Sanction comes from the Latin word sānctiō, meaning "a law or decree that is sacred or inviolable." This noun is related to the Latin verb sancīre, which basically meant "to render sacred or inviolable by a religious act," but was also used in such extended meanings as "to ordain," "to decree," and "to forbid under pain of punishment." Thus from the beginning, two fundamental notions of law were wrapped up in the word: law as something that permits or approves and law that forbids by punishing. In English, the word sanction is first recorded in the mid-1500s in the meaning "law, decree." Not long after, in the 1600s, it also came to be used to refer to the penalty enacted to cause one to obey a law or decree. From the noun, a verb sanction was created in the 18th century meaning "to allow by law," but it wasn't until the second half of the 1900s that it began to mean "to punish (for breaking a law)." English has a few other words that can refer to opposites, such as the verbs dust (meaning both "to remove dust from" and "to put dust on") and trim (meaning both "to cut something away" and "to add something as an ornament").

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sanctify

1. To set apart for sacred use; consecrate: The preacher sanctified the ground as a cemetery.
2. To make holy; purify: They felt the spirit had descended and sanctified their hearts. They sanctified the body with holy oil.
3. To give religious sanction to, as with an oath or vow: The wedding ceremony sanctifies the marriage.
4. To give social or moral sanction to: "The only books I wanted to read as a teenager were those sanctified by my elders and betters" (David Eggers)

[Middle English seintefien, sanctifien, from Old French saintifier, from Late Latin sānctificāre : Latin sānctus, holy, from past participle of sancīre, to consecrate; ... ]

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If it seems to you that I am making one hell of a fuss about nothing more than a minor bureaucratic procedure which has been introduced in order to make Electoral Registration easy and convenient and therefore efficient - then please try to understand this bigger picture ... The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 may not have explicitly stated that " The People in Wales and The World are The Property of The State " but that is exactly the underlying idea which is being sanctioned by it - and once you realise that several other laws have been passed recently which also sanction that assumption then you will hear the alarm bells which began ringing in my ears in 2013 : here we are in 2016 with The People in Wales sleepwalking back into the slavery - actually volunteering to be The Property of The State when their great-grandparents' generation defeated this pernicious political principle in 1916 ... I mean ... I could use one hell of a lot of bad language here about The People in Wales who loudly and proudly lecture me about how their great-grandparents' and grandparents' and parents' generations fought so many wars to supposedly defend their " freedom " - yet they themselves can not even be bothered to tick a box to defend it - they have chosen instead to tick the box marked " slavery " because The Democrats in Wales explained to them that this is The Future of Wales - efficient, convenient, obedient - and *organic ! ... All around me my compatriots are declaring how grateful we should all be for being fed and housed and kept warm and pumped full of drugs in order to keep us all fat and healthy - and how kind The Democrats in Wales to be farming us in this way and only asking us in return to accept the heroic role of being periodically slaughtered in order to provide them with hot dinners ...

Incidentally - I keep meaning to tie the *organic issue in with this : again - The Democrats are working on the principle that " The People are Property " ... I have carried an organ donor card for forty years and I am very unhappy for political reasons about this scheme in which The Government in Wales is harvesting our organs ... I have not opted out yet because ... because ... I am still thinking about it a year later : I would prefer to give somebody else the opportunity of Life rather than score political points ... but ... a number of The People in Wales who were previously organ donors have opted out believing that - because they do not have to seek consent from relatives any more - doctors will be less interested in saving their lives and more interested in harvesting their organs ... Therefore there will be no more phone calls in the middle of the night to ask for permission ... No bedside visits to your elderly aunties to persuade them that they really will not be missed - no, do not worry - The Democrats in Wales will have legislated away all of the forms - they will not even have to suffer the inconvenience of ticking a box ... nor will you ...

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I come back to this after my thoughts in the bath ... I ought to have more ... what I was reflecting upon was as to add to the above an illustration of what The People Who Worry are concerned about with The Scheme to Organise The People in Wales ... I am reminded of some pulp fiction that I read years ago - not The Green Party's manifesto - in which The Aristocrats and The Democrats get together with The City of London and The Corporations in The World and devise a sort of pyramid scheme akin to those pension schemes which characterise The United Kingdom in which The Governments in Britain and Northern Ireland make compulsory deductions from The People in Work leaving them poorer than The People in Poverty but entrapped by the regulations of The Welfare State so that if they collapse in exhaustion and are sacked from any of their two or three jobs they will be blamed by The Democrats for being idle and shiftless and refused any unemployment or sick benefits and told to go and borrow the means to live from The Bankers of The Aristocrats who sacked them ...

... Of course once they recover - if they recover - they then have to hold down three or four jobs because they will have to pay off their debts to The Bankers ... being poor of course they will not be entitled to an overdraught at ... say a one month overdraft of £1,000 would cost a muddle class person in work 50% APR + £1 / day maintenance fee + £25 arrangement fee ... whereas a working class person ( i.e. somebody who actually works to create The Wealth in The Society instead of being somebody employed by others to squander it ) will only be able to get a payday loan of £1,000 which will probably not have an arrangement or maintenance fee but will be charged at over a 1000% APR and cost them their health, home, marriage, kids, sanity and eventually their sanity when they are sitting on the pavement which is mortgaged to The Bankers and therefore owned by The Aristocrats who will instruct The Democrats to remove them or they will make a selection for the next election from some other party within The One Party State of The United Kingdom ... The Democrats hire The Social Workers to invite The People in The Street into their nice warm hostel for the societally challenged - and ask them as to whether they have ever considered becoming organ donors ...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:54 am    Post subject: democracy Reply with quote

It seems to me that you do believe in democracy really, Dai, as you endorse 'government by consent.' We don't have pure democracy but representative democracy in this country.

The change in the law on voting registration could be explained in a number of ways. It used to be up to 'heads of households' to fill in the form for everyone living under the same roof. This now sounds extremely hierarchical. In Market Research, we stopped using terms like 'the head of the family' many years ago.

If we're all equal and equally responsible, why shouldn't we take responsibility for registering to vote?

A more sinister interpretation is possible. Perhaps the powers that be actually want to discourage voting, and is making it harder to get on the roll, by putting the onus on the individual.

Even if your name is on the register, you are not obliged to vote - at least not yet.

I don't think anyone in government would think that you are withdrawing your consent to be governed by not voting. To them, it is a non event. You would have more impact if you did vote.

I don't think the government has the idea that every individual person in the country has to agree with the current system of government, in order for it to be valid.

Anjem Choudary and other Islamists who say only Allah can govern are being deceptive. Choudary would say that in advocating sharia, he is not following his' own whims and desires', but that is just what he is doing. No one is making him do it.

A theocracy is just a priestocarcy as there is no evidence that God is really ruling or even exists. His human mouthpieces are in charge, and they won't even admit it.'
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( Yes - I agree : The Glove Puppet Gods - that is why I am only willing to accept " GOD " as a " USEFUL IDEA " - the equivalent of " X " in an equation : the idea of " god " has obviously been applied to effect - ah ... but to good or bad effect ? ... My observation is that once I agree to the proposition " Do YOU believe in GOD ? " the person who posed it will then start to tell me why " GOD is like ME " which is psychosis not religion. )

So nice of you to comment Marianne - I was cooking up some more whilst you were posting ... The Democrats in Westminster have already been discussed whether to copy what The Democrats in Oz do : fining The People Who Do Not Vote ... But I think - in consideration of how long it takes to cross those long miles of desolate wastes in order to get to a polling booth in Sydney - you would think that it would be more reasonable for The People in Oz to fine their politicians for daring to ask for their votes ... I can not see why here in Cardiff somebody begging for pennies on The Street is treated with contempt by those they never harmed - whilst somebody begging for votes on The Street is treated with respect by all those they have harmed ... it just does not make sense : as an MP Alun Michael was mugging me with impunity for thirty years and became more or less the personal reason why I decided to become a public advocate of Republicanism - which apparently put him in a strop so he marched off to be selected to be elected as Police Commissioner in order to have them kick my door in and rough me up ...

... Unfair to Alun ? ... Have you ever read one of his letters ? ... DRIVEL ...

... There ought to be laws against this sort of thing - OH ! - I forgot : there are laws against this sort of thing - but The Democrats have placed themselves above any such laws by invoking " Sovereignty." ... I do think however that we might make some useful innovations in the electoral system such as in the use of the Single Transferable Vote : then we would be able to indicate those whom we dislike the most through to those we dislike least - and then after the first count we can redistribute all of the second dislikes and ... Hey ! ... This could actually make politics popular again - we could hold The Elections in Wales with an freely distributed app like " Tinder " ... or make it into a game show like " Pointless " - the winners can be those with the least votes - i.e. those who who are not prepared to lie their heads off in order to get elected : they can compete in such rounds as " Telling The Truth " and " Being Nice to The People " and " ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS ? " ... er ... well - no ... let us not set the bar so high as that to begin with ...

[ THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT ABOUT TO ADMIT IN PUBLIC THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND A BALANCE SHEET - THEY DO NOT WANT TO ADMIT TO THE LIABILITIES INVOLVED.]

OK - OK - OK ... Marianne you know why I am in a rage : but perhaps you do not understand exactly what I am arguing against Daf's " Real Politix." Cast your mind back to the centuries before The Historians in Wales say that The United Kingdom became " Democratic " - which it still is not : we have voting - any examination of The Non-Political System not called The Dis-United Kingdom ( which is only Democratic in as much as it is setting us all at each others' throats ) demonstrates that constitutionally this is an Aristocracy : it is not by accident that a very large majority are poor a very small minority are rich - The United Kingdom was re-designed by the latter to serve their private interests and the history of the transition to a " Democratic " society over the period roughly 1850 - 1950 is usually presented as being uniquely different to what happened in America, France and other places ... excepting that bloody episode in the middle of the 17c featuring those nasty Republicans - Oliver Cromwell and his mates - ah ! ... Now there is an example of how the supporters of The United Kingdom have twisted the facts : Oliver Cromwell was not a supporter of the Republican government - he overthrew it because he was - one of The Aristocrats ... albeit a minor one ... a social climber ... a wannabee Aristo.

Let us ignore The Republic in Wales for a minute and look at The Republic IN Ireland and not confuse it with The Republic OF Ireland which does not exist ... The Republicans in Ireland - " The Whites in Ireland " - have been in disarray for decades but are struggling to put the matter back together : two parties pretend to be the true heirs of Republicanism in Ireland - they emerged after The Civil War in Ireland from a split in the original Sinn Fein which was a Republican Democratic party which was returned with a huge democratic mandate in 1919 and promptly insisted that Lloyd George keep his Home Rule promises ... they were probably not aware that Lloyd George had already lied his head of to Cymru Fydd in order to not have The Liberal Party in Wales split - but split it did : by far the largest contingents to leave it set up The Labour Party ( 1900 ) and The Cooperative Party ( the latter was founded in Swansea in 1917 - and one reason that I have it in for The Labour Party is that The Socialists and trade unionists - having murdered " my " party fifty years ago - have propped up the corpse of the Coop in their shopwindow - discounted ! ) ...

... er ... oh yeah - The Whites in Ireland have a similar problem to The Whites in Wales : The People in Ireland mostly tend to believe that " The Republic in Ireland " is " The State in Ireland " and therefore they believe that because The State allows them to vote then they must be living in a Democracy ... and of course the majority of The People in Ireland post their Submissions to The Commissions in post boxes painted green so they are very confident that they are living in The Republic of Ireland and that their letters in Ireland are not put unopened through the shredder in the way that our letters in Wales are put unopened through the shredder because of course our post boxes are painted red ... actually I think that mine are being burned in the backyard of The Welsh Assembly by the junior secretaries who are then disposed of ... Basically what happened in 19c Ireland was that The Aristocrats in Southern Ireland switched their political allegiances to Home Rule because they did not want to pay their taxes due to the income from their landed estates collapsing - whereas The Aristocrats in Northern Ireland were raking it in from having invested in shipbuilding there because the labour was cheap - but the iron and steal was British and Home Rule spelled ... um ... oh - bankruptcy ! ...

Each side persuaded The People Who Were Poor that there might be a job in it for them afterwards - and told them that they would be heroes and sold them a gun ( making only a very modest profit ) and then promised to sell them some bullets later ... In the meantime to this bitterly divided country returned those who felt most betrayed - they had volunteered to fight in World War One and staggered back on crutches, blinded and still choking on the gas having witnessed the cruel mathematics of murdering mankind in pursuit of power ... and found that in the eyes of many of The People in Ireland they were not heroes but traitors and that those who had sent them medals through the post box painted red sent them no money ... no job ... The differences between The People in Ireland were avoided in th common cause to make Lloyd George keep his word led to everyone by rallying round the banner of Sinn Fein : the membership of that little White Republican Democratic Party dramatically swelled with Democrats of All Colours - except White ? ...

When Sinn Fein was elected to be The Government of Ireland it also genuinely represented a cross section of all political opinions - and thus it was a ticking time bomb of sectarian views united by their opposition to Lloyd George but not by any unity of purpose - in absorbing so many factions and so quickly, Sinn Fein had ceased to be Republican : there were not enough " Whites " to mediate between the factions and unite them around a positive political programme and so when they were no longer united in fighting a war against The United Kingdom they soon began fighting wars against each other ... The People in Ireland began to desert Sinn Fein in favour of supporting The Irish Free State to re-secure peace and the remains of that party still bearing the name Sinn Fein then lost The Irish Civil War and then split into what became a party of The Left named Sinn Fein and a party of The Right named Fianna Fail - and both lay claim to the description " Republican." Fianna Fail eventually declared " The Republic Of Ireland " in 1949 and a lot of The People in Ireland treated this as more or less the equivalent of we in Wales call " annointing the lard " - less a sanctification of The State in Southern Ireland but rather more a sanctimonious oration over The Grave of Republicanism in Ireland.

British legal legacy - weakness of Dev's constitution - Ultraists exploited it

reconsider the junk at the bottom

took the matter very seriously - and so did Lloyd George.


xcept of course that ythe distribution of wealth in Ireland whether The Democrats keep doing thing

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To return now to The Republic in Wales : you will see that it is not necessary to re-create The State as The Republic - and in fact conflating the two prevents us from citing The Authority of The Nomos i.e. The State becomes a trap, a cage - a Closed and therefore A Non-Political System in which there can be no justice whatever the appearances of The Life in The Society because however benign The State appears to be it Dominates i.e. Legalism is just yet another disguise for Ultraism ... If there can be no appeal to the authority of facts and arguments to change The Law of The State then you can be sure that some private interest has been substituted for The Public Interest ... It may well be better to be slaves than in our graves but The Belly and The Mind are no more the same thing than The State and The Republic are ... True - we live in an imperfect society : but we all know that we would prefer to have both our bellies and our minds full - and I would like to extend that metaphor to include having our hearts and hands full too - true ? So what happens when The Minds and The Bellies of The People are Not Full - indeed, running on forever on " empty " ?

Back to voting : the supposedly civilised method of rioting, as demonstrated in the recent The EU Referendum ... As I have mentioned, voting is not Democracy - unless you think that elections are somehow " political " ... politics is about debating facts and arguments and therefore voting is not political : most of The People in Wales treat their ballot as a free ticket to enable them to enter The National Lottery ... in which of course they never ever win anything - because voting is a conjuring trick not a political process - and therefore most of The People in Wales do not bother to vote any more ... The Democrats of course entreat and lecture The People to get involved in politics but what this actually is about is them desperately denying to themselves that The Non-Political System in Wales has failed - utterly ... Now there are other Democratic methods e.g. rioting which can be much more satisfying, effective and profitable ... if properly planned ...

... For example : my prodding this computer every day is pretty ineffectual and I am not eating well and I need a new fridge-freezer and, frankly, a bit of a holiday - so provided that Daf turns up to put it into the back of his car and Marianne can chat away keeping the attention of the sales staff away from the back of the store I reckon that it could all work out fine because Daf needs a haircut and we both need to start eating properly again - and frankly the gyms around here are shockingly expensive - and otherwise I will never ever catch up on my reading list ... The only fly in the trousers of this plan is the actual rioting bit - but surely everybody just has to admit to the facts and the argument here : if I went into the polling station and marked my ballot paper - do you think that I would come out of it with anything at all ? Such as an all-in expenses paid month's holiday and a new fridge-freezer ? ... Voting ... ? ... Why should anybody even be prepared to wait for the next election ? ... Oh - The People Think That Rioting Is Wrong ...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW! yOU HAVE DISCOVERED THE CAPS-LOCK BUTTON. NOW I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED AND I BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

Just you wait until the Militia come. Each battalion has a regimental goat. Billy goats know how to deal with trolls.

You dangled the carrot "on this thread of threads, Dai will use less whimsy and actually debate the issue" Surprise surprise, thisd thread is bog standard Capslock and shortcut JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I laughed - but doesn't that count as trolling ?

Trawl through it and pick on something and either destroy the argument - which I know that you can do - or produce another !

You scorn my substituting these letters for my ballots : I do not think that they are very good either - but are we disqualified from political action until we are clever enough, educated enough, experienced enough ? Something has to be done - anything is better than nothing.

Political protest is not about forcing a change but instigating a debate.

A lone individual can point out that The Emperors in Wales are naked.

VILDEO = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qFF2v8VsaA
LYRICS = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaWHJuqX7s
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The People in The Rhondda do not care too much for bling_For although we're good at rugby - and of course we like to sing -_We much prefer an argument to any charming song _And it doesn't really matter if we know that we are wrong_For we really must insist that it's - THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING !!!

The People in The Rhondda do not care too much for bling_
For although we're good at rugby - and of course we like to sing -_
We much prefer an argument to any charming song _
And it doesn't really matter if we know that we are wrong_
For we really must insist that it's - THE PRINCIPLE OF THE THING !!!

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !


But of course I know that I am not wrong - and there is no way that I am going to give my consent to my name being subscribed upon the death warrant of Welsh Political Society - although if there is a death warrant available for me to subscribe to The Death of Demockery please inform me ... I will subscribe all of the names that I can think of to that one - David B Lawrence ... HG Wells ... Owain Glyndwr ... Benedict Spinoza .., Emmanuel Kant ... John Frost ... Zephania Williams ... Richard Price ... William Price ... Iolo Morganwg ( of course ) ... Morris Clynnog ... William Thomas ... Llewelyn Bren .... George Kelly ... Victor Frankl ... John Thelwall ... James Naylor ... William Erbery ... Giles Calvert ... Elizabeth Calvert ... Martha Simmonds ... Evan Mynydd ... Captain Tucker ... Potato Jones ... George Orwell ... John Roberts ... Mary Wolstencraft ... William Godwin ... Tom Paine ... God ... Hashem ... Allah ... Zefs ... Bran ... Nomos ... Bertrand Russel ... William Blake ... Maximilian Robespiere ... David Williams ... James Tilly Mathews ... John Bradshaw ... John Lilburne ... Rousseau ... Voltaire ... Ringo Starr ... Russel Br - no : he's not on this list ... Father Christmas ... Mickey Mouse ... Karl Ma - no : he's just a cartoon character ... Stalin ... Caesar ... Napoleon ... Wellington ... Galoshes ... Achilles ... Ajax ... Domestos ... Henry Ford ... Mercedes Benz ... Margaret Thatcher ... Milk Snatcher ... Queen Elizabeth II ... Boaty MacBoat Face ... Grindstone Fwkwitz ... HELL - THIS IS MORE TIRING THAN I THOUGHT : NO WONDER THEY DECIDED TO PROGRAMME COMPUTERS TO FAKE THE REGISTER !!!

I have several of those letters concerning The Electoral Register that I put into my mail-sorting some time ago i.e. on the stairs - to pick up and open if I feel the need for something to provide me with an excuse to to curse and swear ... I suppose that I ought to open a couple ... just for the sake of something or other ... not my sake - or yours ...

... The more recent one is a " REMINDER " - mmm - that £1,000 threat is still there : there has been some other material in circulation in which the fine is now being quoted as rather less - £80 ? - and so I felt that we might be making progress towards this disgusting behaviour being at least toned down a bit ... The fact is that they are threatening people who may not even be able to read and so can not comply - and whilst they harass, threaten, coerce, prosecute, fine and jail people who neglect or refuse to agree to their names being subscribed in what on any other occasion would be counted as the crime of fraud - The Electoral Register ( even disregarding this farce - of stealing people's names in order to pretend that there is a " Democratic Mandate " because the numbers of voters endorsing this non-political system at the ballot boxes is well below 50% in most constituencies and the political credibility of " The United Kingdom " has utterly collapsed ) - sorry - The Electoral Register is also admited to be in a mess for several other reasons - YET : WHO IS HARRASSING, THREATENING, COERCING, PROSECUTING, FINING AND JAILING THOSE WHO ARE EMPLOYED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ELECTORAL REGISTER ?

NOBODY WITHIN THE THE STATE CAN EVER HELD TO ACCOUNT : BECAUSE THE POLITICIANS AND CIVIL SERVANTS OF " THE UNITED KINGDOM " USE THE NON-POLITICAL PRINCIPLE OF " SOVEREIGNTY " TO PLACE THEMSELVES BEYOND " THE RULE OF LAW " - EVEN WHEN IN FACT THEY HAVE MADE LAWS DECLARING THAT THEY ARE NOT !

THE NON-POLITICAL PRINCIPLE OF " SOVEREIGNTY " IS NOT UNIQUE TO " THE UNITED KINGDOM " - BUT WHEREVER YOU LOOK IN WALES AND THE WORLD "'SOVEREIGNTY " CORRUPTS POLITICAL SOCIETY - IN PARTICULAR " SOVEREIGNTY " LICENCES THE STATE TO KEEP ITS AFFAIRS SECRET WHICH IS POISONOUS TO ANY POLITICAL SOCIETY BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT THE STATE THEN HAS NO GOVERNMENT.

I looked at that last paragraph in what amounted to mounting disbelief - have I never thought that thought before ? ... I must have ... surely ? ... I myself am a signatory of the O.S.A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_Act

Here is a pdf copy of the current form - read the extract from OSA : S.2 therein ... and no - I am not The Agent in Wales : I briefly worked for the Farm Buildings Group in MAFF.

https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/hr/iompsc/Handbook/officialsecretsact.pdf

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" Please - lovely Theresa - do restore consent ! "_" NO ! - I am the PM : to jail you will be sent ! "_" Oh - okay : I do really need to find some time_To read a bit - but is this is a crime :_Defending Justice when The Law has been bent ? "


" Please - lovely Theresa - do restore consent ! "_
" NO ! - I am the PM : to jail you will be sent ! "_
" Oh - okay : I do really need to find some time_
To read a bit - but is this is a crime :_
Defending Justice when The Law has been bent ? "

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More trouble with The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 : how come those who have turned The Electoral Register into such a mess that it is untrustworthy are not even called to account whereas those who object to hypocrisy of The Democrats in using this as the basis of their claim to legitimacy face fines and imprisonment for refusing to have their names stolen to endorse it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37344525 - Boundary review: Corbyn and Osborne's seats face axe

" Several prominent MPs are facing reselection battles ahead of the next general election under new constituency boundary proposals in England and Wales. ... Most constituencies are affected by the bid to cut the number of MPs in the Commons and create equal-sized seats. ... The number of MPs would be cut from 533 to 501 in England, from 40 to 29 in Wales, from 59 to 53 in Scotland and from 18 to 17 in Northern Ireland. ... Every constituency in Wales is affected, with Labour leadership contender Owen Smith's Pontypridd constituency, to the north of Cardiff, split in two. ... Two Conservatives, Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire) and Simon Hart (Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire) would have their constituencies merged. ... A public consultation is under way into the reforms, with final proposals due in October 2018. If agreed by Parliament the new boundaries would be in place by the 2020 general election. ...

... But opposition parties criticised the decision to base the review on electoral data from December 2015, saying this was out of date because it did not include nearly two million additional voters who registered ahead of June's EU referendum. ... The Boundary Commission for England said government legislation required it to use the December 2015 data. ... With four exceptions, every seat in the UK will have no fewer than 71,031 and no more than 78,507 electors. ... Labour shadow minister Jon Ashworth said: "Constitutional changes should be done fairly and consensually, to ensure that everyone is given a voice. ... "There is nothing fair about redrawing boundaries with millions left out, and reducing the number of elected MPs while the unelected House of Lords continues to grow." ... "These changes are not about fairness to voters, they are about what is best for the Tory Party and they must not go ahead. The commission must rethink and ensure that no elector loses out." ... "


Now the gist of this is that The Electoral Register is in a mess : the claims made for the advantages to be gained by the mass theft of our names being made " legal " by the Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 and without them bothering to obtain our consent our names are being fraudulently used to endorse their non-political system ( - which the majority of those who still register to vote do not endorse it by voting - and in many constituencies in Wales the majority will not even endorse it by registering to vote : The People in Wales and The World are not apathetic about Democracy but disaffected towards The Democrats - they find their claims to represent them to be false - ) by the supporters of The United Kingdom to prop it up have been demonstrated to be false - two million names are now freely admitted to have not been recorded ... or perhaps two million false names were registered ? ... and we do not know how many of the names recorded upon the register belong to those who are dead, who have moved to a different constitency, who have left the country, who have come from another country and have no franchise, who are spelling mistakes, who are imaginary ... no it is not just a mess - this is a farce ... and now as they re-arrange the constituency boundaries to supposedly make the constituencies equal in size they now argue that it does not matter that they actually know that The Electoral Register is a mess and yet they will still use it ... and this is not a farce ? ... But note the indifference of The Democrats to the The Electoral Register being in a mess : what matters to The Demockerats as individuals is whether they will be re-elected, de-selected or ex-selected by the shifts in their constituency boundaries - and of course what matters to them collectively as parties is whether their bids to be elected into government will be frustrated by the loss of numbers elected ... and The Electorate ? ... Clearly you can put your own FOUR-LETTERED-WORD into the mouths of The Democrats and add " -OFF ! " ...

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I have occasionally been writing comments about this matter elsewhere ... but otherwise I am holding my legal strategy close to my chest for my own safety's sake ... apologies !

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4085#4085

I guess that it is always going to be a problem to re-package and sell again such basic non-commodities as " Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace & Life " to the more effluent parts of society - local or global - but there are examples of people trying to do so and I just came across these - and although I do not think that their use of " ? " as a symbol is working here never the less I do think that The Republicans should be constantly challenging The Democrats empty claims to have any answers when their " answers " are merely gimmicks to advertise themselves to be elected ... Basically the majority of The People in Wales may agree upon The Common Sense in Wales - but of course you do not win elections by persuading the sane majority but by bribing the insane minority whose marginal votes decide who wins or loses in Democracy ... You really do not like my arguments about Republicanism V Democracy ? ... Consider this : in first past the post electoral systems such as we have in Wales who gets to win the election - the party that has spent several years in collecting facts and listening to The People and preparing arguments on their behalf - or the party that tells the biggest lies and offers the biggest bribes to obtain those handful of votes which result in themselves being elected ? And hey - they do not worry about this not working at the next election : it always works - that is how we got Thatcher and Blair and Cameron - so face up to the facts folks ... Democracy is plainly not a political system - but it is plainly stupid, plainly selfish, plainly dangerous to our society.

THE BLACK EYED PEAS - " Where is the Love ? "

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRMoWYGLNA

From what I am hearing about their plans to not only fine and imprison those of us who now want to refuse to endorse this continuing farce of " Devolution " and " The United Kingdom " by refusing to register to vote because The Democrats in Wales and Westminster have been claiming that The Electoral Register provides them with a so-called " Democratic mandate " when they can not collectively - all five elected parties together - obtain the endorsement of 50% of The Registered Voters in most constituencies - and many more are still not registered ... so The Big Plan is ... ? ... not only fining and jailing those who do not consent to have their names stolen and placed on a register to vote but also those whom The Democrats have registered to vote but who have not in fact voted e.g. those names which they have registered to vote which turn out to belong to those too young to vote, too foreign to vote, too absent to vote ( in foreign places ), too dead to vote, too fictitious to vote, too badly spelled to vote e.g. when lines of computer code are found to be registered to vote ... political systems are founded upon the consent of those participating ; non-political systems necessarily resort to coercion because the non-politics of the successively increasing stages of political incompetence in Hierocracy, Democracy, Aristocracy, Monocracy leads to successively increasing stages of denial - until the political crisis is blatent at which point there is a revolution and one stasis is exchanged for another e.g. Democrats get panicky and are replaced by Aristocrats who smoothly assure The People that businessmen, bankers and corporations will run their country so much better ... note that they talk about " country " because they think of politics in terms managing property not serving society. ... The change from Democracy to Aristocracy is clearly now under way across The World ... but whichever kind of Ultraists you are dealing with you will find them blaming The People for whatever goes wrong - and The Altruists who expose their faults will be declared criminals ... they may even be denounced as " Republicans " ... roll on the day ...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 was supposedly going to improve the levels of voter registration and improve participation but anecdotal rumours are circulating that it has achieved exactly the opposite ... so I am going to lay off the Trivia and try to do a little Quadrivia in order to understand the scale of the problems it has caused ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/elections/electoralregistration/bulletins/electoralstatisticsforuk/2015

Office for National Statistics : Electoral Statistics for UK : 2015 [ on December 1st 2015 - just over a year after ERAA 2013 became law ]

" ... The total number of UK parliamentary electors in 2015 was 44,722,000, a fall of 1.3% from 2014. ... The total number of UK local government electors in 2015 was 46,204,700, a fall of 1.3% from 2014. ...

... For England and Wales, electoral statistics are taken from data supplied to the Office for National Statistics by local Electoral Registration Officers. ... Electoral statistics represent the most accurate count possible of the number of people on electoral registers each year. They are subject to full quality assurance procedures and are reliable and provide comparable data across the UK constituent countries ... The electoral registers published in December 2015 represent the first full registers following completion of the transition to the new system of Individual Electoral Registration (IER) introduced in 2014. ...

... Parliamentary electors :
Scotland – 3,896,900, a fall of 3.4% ; Wales – 2,181,800, a fall of 2.0% ; England – 37,399,900, a fall of 1.1% ; Northern Ireland – 1,243,400, a rise of 0.9% ... Parliamentary Constituencies : ... In Wales, 4 of the 40 parliamentary constituencies showed an increase in the number of electors between 2014 and 2015. The Welsh constituency of Yns Môn (ranked 25th in the UK) recorded the greatest rise, with a growth of 2.7% ... Local government electors : Scotland – 4,030,000, a fall of 2.5% ; Wales – 2,208,000, a fall of 2.1% ; England – 38,696,100, a fall of 1.2% ; Northern Ireland – 1,270,700, a rise of 1.1% ; ...

... Over the last 5 years, the number of local government electors in England has fallen by an average of 0.4% each year, with growth in the years 2011 and 2012 offset by the falls from 2013 onwards. In particular, the number of local government electors in England fell by approximately 488,900 between 2014 and 2015. ... The local government area with the greatest percentage increase in Wales was the Isle of Anglesey, with an increase of 2.6% (ranked 19th in Great Britain); ... The total local government electorate in England, Wales and Scotland fell in 278 local government areas (73%) between 2014 and 2015, compared with 304 areas in these countries (80%) in the previous year. Of those, 45 areas had a fall of more than 4.0%, including 2 which fell by more than 10.0%. ...

Wales

Statistics for National Assembly for Wales electors by Assembly constituencies are published by the Welsh Government. Those electors who are eligible to vote in local government elections in Wales are eligible to vote in National Assembly for Wales elections. These statistics are produced from data collected from Electoral Registration Officers by ONS. ...The data are available from StatsWales (please note their explanation giving details of the impact of boundary changes in some areas). ... [ & ] ... The Boundary Commission for Wales also publish statistics for the parliamentary electorate by Electoral Divisions.

[ NOW BEFORE I PROCEED WOULD YOU PLEASE NOTE THE SCANDAL OF THE WELSH GOVERNMENT SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON SENDING ELECTORAL REGISTRATION OFFICERS TO KNOCK ON THE DOORS OF 45,000 ADULTS WHO HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO BE REGISTERED AS ELECTORS AND SENDING THEM LETTERS THREATENING THEM WITH PROSECUTION FOR THE £1000 CIVIL PENALTY OR PRISON SENTENCES WHEN ( A ) APPARENTLY THEY DO NOT ACTUALLY CARRY OUT THIS THREAT - AND ( B ) THERE ARE NOT WILLING TO SPEND SUCH SUMS OF MONEY ON PROVIDING LEGAL AID TO THOSE WHO ARE THE VICTIMS OF CRIMES WHICH HAVE ACTUALLY HARMED THEM ... IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE OF THEIR HAVING A " DEMOCRATIC MANDATE " FOR THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH THEY CALL " THE UNITED KINGDOM " - WHICH HAS DIVIDED US AND SET US AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS AND SO WHOSE CREDIBILITY HAS COLLAPSED - THEY HAVE RESORTED TO COERCING US TO SIGN THEIR ELECTORAL REGISTER WHEN THE MAJORITY DO NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR ANY OF " THE DEMOCRATS N WALES " - " THE DEMOCKERATS " - BECAUSE OF THEIR CONTEMPT FOR THE ELECTORATE NOT REGISTERING WITH THEIR VOTES THEIR CONSENT WHICH IS THE NECESSARY BASIS OF ANY DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL SYSTEM ...

... IN THESE ELECTORAL REGISTRATION STATISTICS WE CAN SEE THAT ACCORDING TO THE ELECTORAL REGISTRATION AND ADMINISTRATION ACT 2013 ONE IN FIFTY OF US ARE DEEMED BY OUR " ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES " TO BE CRIMINALS FOR NOT ENDORSING THEIR NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM " THE UNITED KINGDOM " IN WHICH THE REAL NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE IN WALES ARE CALLOUSLY DISREGARDED WHILST THOSE RULING THEM ARE NOT ONLY NOT SPENDING THE MONEY OF THE PEOPLE IN WALES UPON IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY THINGS BUT SQUANDERING IT UPON HARASSING THOSE WHO EITHER ACTIVELY DISAGREE OR PASSIVELY DESPAIR ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THEY DO NOT REGISTER TO VOTE ( AND MANY MORE ARE REGISTERING AS ELECTORS BUT REFUSING TO VOTE BECAUSE IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM.) THREATS OF PROSECUTIONS, FINES AND IMPRISONMENTS TO OBTAIN " CONSENT " FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NOT PLACED THEIR NAMES ON THE ELECTORAL REGISTER DEMONSTRATES THAT " THE DEMOCKERATS " DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY PROFESS TO BELIEVE IN - OR ALTERNATIVELY IT DEMONSTRATES THAT THEY ARE EXTREMELY CYNICAL IN MANIPULATING THE PEOPLE IN WALES WHO CONTINUE TO BELIEVE TO DEMOCRACY ... AND FRIGHTENED THAT SOME OF US NO LONGER DO SO ... BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT WE KNOW : DEMOCRACY IS NOT POLITICAL.]


https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalogue/Population-and-Migration/Electoral-Register

[ ... and the main computer sits blinking at me tied up in some loop ... // ... back on the job the following evening ... an " attainer " is somebody acquiring the right to vote at age 18 : The Democrats in Wales are stealing their names are stolen from their school registers etc and adding them to The Electoral Register even before they are old enough to vote - that is how desperate " The Demockerats " are to claim a " Democratic mandate " and to deny that the credibility of their non-political system " The United Kingdom " has now utterly collapsed.]

Electoral roll: Electors and attainers, by National Assembly for Wales constituency


The Electoral Register in Wales records a total of 2,207,980 names of which 12,462 are attainers i.e. the names of persons already admitted to not be qualified to vote - even if they do in fact exist ... however the questions not accounted for in this document are ( A ) How many of the names registered have been objectively confirmed to belong to real people ? ; ( B ) How many of the names registered belong to people who are not qualified to vote because they under age, in prison, in other places than they have been registered to vote, in heaven or in hell or in some other place which is neither such as Canada ? ; ( C ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to people who have not had their qualification to vote verified ; ( D ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to people who actively and positively agreed to be registered to vote ; ( E ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to people who passively but positively agreed to be registered to vote ? ; ( F ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to people who passively but negatively agreed to be registered to vote i.e. who were coerced to register to vote by threats, harassments, prosecutions, fines and imprisonments ? ; ( G ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to people who actively and negatively agreed to be registered to vote i.e. who have refused to be coerced to vote by threats, harassments, prosecutions, fines and imprisonments - but have had their names registered to vote ? ; ( H ) How many of the names now registered to vote belong to real people who have neither positively nor negatively agreed to be registered to vote - who have not complied with the ER&AA 2013 ? ; ( I ) How many warning letters, notices, summons, prosecutions, fines, imprisonments etc have been used to enforce the provisions of ER&AA 2013 and its related legislations and regulations upon The People in Wales ? ; ( J ) How many warning letters, notices, summons, prosecutions, fines, imprisonments etc have been used to enforce the provisions of the ER&AA 2013 and its related legislations and regulations upon The Welsh Government and the various agencies, authorities, councils etc responsible for enforcing the ER&AA 2013 and its related legislations and regulations upon The People in Wales ; ( K ) If there are no means to demonstrate the answers to such questions - then how can anyone use " The Electoral Register " - to claim that The People in Wales have agreed to continue to subscribe to the non-political system " The United Kingdom " - to claim that " The Welsh Government " is implementing the ER&AA 2013 - to claim that " The Boundary Commission " is not being subverted Ultraistically ?

The Electoral Registration & Administration Act 2013 can not be enforced because it can not be implemented because it can not succeed because it can not be made to work ...

... the use of The Electoral Register as constructed by the ER&AA 2013 as a substitute for a positive Democratic mandate, as a basis for deciding future constituencies, as a source of income from private names and addresses ... is likely to result in The Welsh Government not only facing the political consequences of poor information handling - but also the legal consequences which could be astoundingly expensive ...

... The People in Parliament who re-draughted the existing laws to create The Electoral Registration & Administration Act 2013 were clearly thinking like Democrats ... not Republicans ...

... But whilst the idea of contending against it in courts to both demonstrate the faults of The ER&AA 2013 and those who legislated it clearly appeals to my even my own modest ego ... at this particular moment I think that it is probably more politically constructive to postpone my future appointment with glory and just write them a letter ... ( damn - I was enjoying this ) ...

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http://ldbc.gov.wales/?lang=en - Local Democracy and Boundary Commission for Wales

http://ldbc.gov.wales/reviews/?lang=en

http://ldbc.gov.wales/reviews/boundaryreviews/?lang=en

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-37338042 - Boundary Commission map cuts Welsh MPs by a quarter

" A new Parliamentary map outlining plans to cut the number of Welsh MPs by more than a quarter has been published. ... The number of Welsh seats in the House of Commons would fall from 40 to 29, with the size of Westminster constituencies increasing. ... Labour - which won 25 Welsh seats at the last election - is likely to feel the biggest impact. ... Voters have been invited to have their say during a 12-week consultation, with the final report due in 2018. ... The new constituencies have been drawn up by the independent Boundary Commission for Wales under a formula set down under the previous Tory-Lib Dem coalition government. ... Wales will see the biggest proportional cut among the four nations. ... All of the new constituencies must have at least 71,031 voters. At present in Wales, all but one of the existing seats have electorates smaller than that. ... Welsh Labour accused the Conservatives of "trying to stack the deck in their favour" by pushing ahead with the new boundaries. ... "


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-37350515 - Musical chairs as MPs face cut in numbers

" Guest blogger Daniel Davies looks at the prospect of party colleagues competing for seats when the number of Welsh MPs is cut from 40 to 29. ... [ NOT VERY INFORMATIVE BUT WORTH A READ ] ... Win the selection battles and MPs might breathe a sigh of relief. But that only secures their status as election candidates. Whether they get to keep their jobs as MPs will be for the voters of the new constituencies to decide. ... "

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Did I forget this ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37351172 - Reality Check: Do boundary changes exclude millions of voters ? - [ 13 September 2016 ]

" ... The claim: The boundary review is excluding two million voters. ... Reality Check verdict : The review is based on the December 2015 register, which has about 1.75 million fewer voters than had registered by June 2016. If the June 2016 register had been used, there would have been two more MPs in London, two fewer in Scotland, one more in the south west of England and one fewer in Northern Ireland. ... Labour frontbencher Jon Ashworth has told BBC Radio 4 the proposed constituency boundary changes would mean "proceeding with a boundary review when there's two million people missing from the electoral register - two million people who joined the register ahead of the Brexit referendum". ... Some politicians have criticised the use of the December 2015 register because it came at the end of the move from household voter registration to individual voter registration, which had reduced the size of the electorate. ... If they had been evenly distributed, the average number of voters in a constituency would just have gone up and it would have made no difference. ... But the new voters were not evenly distributed. ... if the review had been carried out based on the June 2016 register, there would have been two more MPs in London, two fewer in Scotland, one more in the south west of England and one fewer in Northern Ireland. ... "
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Oh yeah - another abuse of The Electoral Register occurred in The Labour and Cooperative Party leadership election - The Demockerats in The Parliamentary Labour Party were desperate to please their paymasters The Aristocrats etc as well as trying to practice that old oxymoron " power politics " ... But Smith was clearly going to lose on the trends of polls despite the desperate braying of those brave little donkeys paid to repeat the catachisms placed before them in The BBC newsroom by The Hierocrats ... So they came up with a jolly wheeze to cut down the number of votes likely to be cast for Jeremy Corbyn by chsnging the rules once again ... wait for it ... those who had paid their money and registered to vote received a last minute email demanding that they provide proof that they were on The Electoral Register ... Well if they had registered themselves as Mickey Mouse or John Doe then of course that might be easy but more to the point this is not what The Electoral Register is for : by filling in the form and paying their money they placed themselves on the list of persons eligible to vote in The Labour & Cooperative Party leadership election - FULL STOP ... ( " PERIOD " ) ...

... This was not a local or national election or referendum so The Electoral Register had nothing to do with it : but this and other scams I am told by those loudly protesting about it successfully removed some 200,000 votes from the leadership election ... Jeremy Corbyn won with 61.8% of the votes and immediately - despite being endorsed by very nearly 2/3 of those begrudgingly allowed to vote - The Demockerats denounced the result and started casting around for new ways and means to remove the man who has just been elected with an increased and very proper mandate ... If they had not succeeded in corrupting the leadership election there would have been approaching 30% more voters - and Jeremy Corbyn might have received 80+% of the votes which is utterly unheard of in most honestly conducted Democracies - but The United Kingdom is of course is a Demockery ... so now The Demockerats are bleating that Jeremy Corbyn could not possibly win a general election after thoroughly beating their two best candidates into a miserably wretched third place each time - in a two candidate race ...

... This is what I experienced here with Cardiff South & Penarth Labour Party in the 1980s - they did not understand the basics of Democracy and practiced " politicking " i.e. factional infighting led by the men who knew a man who knew another man who might be persuaded to return a favour owed to the man he knew if you did him a favour - if you in turn stood in the queue to kiss their arses whilst singing Alelulyahs ... you could not put forward an idea or hold a political conversation because the " Gombeens " viewed this as a bid for the power which they had variously obtained other than by ability : they had never read even a basic book on politics and literally did not know what politics is - and frankly ... Jeremy Corbyn is naive if he thinks that these people can be reasonable and agree to some compromise : they must be got rid of.

Over the decades I have learned that despite appearances The Demockerats when the chips are down are united in opposing politics.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzMHLK93TA - Constitution Lectures 1: The Non-Consent of the Governed

You will therefore see that " The Consent of The People " is an old chestnut - but it can not be ignored : it is not enough for The Democrats to secure an electoral mandate in order to obtain control of The State ... it is like this : the difference between living in a home and living in a prison is who owns it - and you can create all sorts of analogies and metaphors out of that e.g. most of The People in Wales will tell you that they " own " their own home - yet in fact most of them do not : they are in debt and could lose their home at any time because they have the " privilege " of a mortgage which is usually written in such a way that the mortgagor can de facto demand instant repayment at short notice from the mortgagee ... unlike in The USA and other countries in The EU in The United Kingdom the whole system of government rests upon the non-political idea - sorry : fantasy - of " Sovereignty " and therefore everything is arbitrary i.e. nothing is secure - not Life - not Liberty - not Property ... In theory at least a Prime Minister - as a lone individual - can scrap every law ( i.e. even get rid of The Royal Family ) and govern the whole country on a series of random whims ( i.e. even get rid of The United Kingdom ) ...

... The United Kindom is a non-political system because in allowing the non-principle of " Sovereignty " The Houses of Parliament are not only mortgaged to The Aristocrats but do not even have any locks on their doors : honestly conducted political systems need to have a constitution - " The Key in The Lock " - in order to secure The State from being subverted ... Yeah - ironical eh ? ... The Republicans in Wales want to secure The State in Wales from subversion - and yet The Government in Wales alleges that we are subversive for wanting to do this ... mmm ... now why do The Democrats in Wales object so strongly to The Republicans in Wales advocating for modern constitutional norms ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzMHLK93TA - Constitution Lectures 1: The Non-Consent of the Governed

You will therefore see that " The Consent of The People " is an old chestnut - but it can not be ignored : it is not enough for The Democrats to secure an electoral mandate in order to obtain control of The State ... it is like this : the difference between living in a home and living in a prison is who owns it - and you can create all sorts of analogies and metaphors out of that e.g. most of The People in Wales will tell you that they " own " their own home - yet in fact most of them do not : they are in debt and could lose their home at any time because they have the " privilege " of a mortgage which is usually written in such a way that the mortgagor can de facto demand instant repayment at short notice from the mortgagee ... unlike in The USA and other countries in The EU in The United Kingdom the whole system of government rests upon the non-political idea - sorry : fantasy - of " Sovereignty " and therefore everything is arbitrary i.e. nothing is secure - not Life - not Liberty - not Property ... In theory at least a Prime Minister - as a lone individual - can scrap every law ( i.e. even get rid of The Royal Family ) and govern the whole country on a series of random whims ( i.e. even get rid of The United Kingdom ) ...

... The United Kindom is a non-political system because in allowing the non-principle of " Sovereignty " The Houses of Parliament are not only mortgaged to The Aristocrats but do not even have any locks on their doors : honestly conducted political systems need to have a constitution - " The Key in The Lock " - in order to secure The State from being subverted ... Yeah - ironical eh ? ... The Republicans in Wales want to secure The State in Wales from subversion - and yet The Government in Wales alleges that we are subversive for wanting to do this ... mmm ... now why do The Democrats in Wales object so strongly to The Republicans in Wales advocating for modern constitutional norms ?
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From: David B Lawrence
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Subject: comment to BBC about Voter Registration

I have just caught today's tv BBC News installment of the Voter Registration story and turned to read this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25641801 - but I think that the BBC are failing to make people aware of the new £1000 fines associated with even the accidental failure to comply with this scheme. I think that there could be a repeat of the Community Charge fiasco with thousands of people tried and fined in their absence and the courts clogged up with people trying to defend themselves because there will not be any Legal Aid available to them. Please challenge the Electoral Commission on this matter : why delay doing so until it happens - this is a story waiting to break, surely ? I have written some ' opinionationisation ' about it here - http://repwblic.informe.com/declining-democracy-by-refusing-registration-dt689.html - " dai "

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A Digest of the Criminal Statute Law of England, Alphabetically and ... - By Harold Nuttall Tomlins - from page 647 onwards : these are some of the standard oaths which were used to exclude and marginalise those whose beliefs questioned the non-political system called by its supporters " The United Kingdom." Furthermore these were used to deliberately harass, prosecute, fine, imprison and execute those prominent religio-political non-conformists who were speaking out against injustice by manufacturing compromising situations and then " Tendering The Oath " which on being refused was then pronounced to be a criminal act tantamount to treason. " Tendering The Oath " was used to deprive people of what we would now call their " Human Rights " - to such things as Free Speech and Association, but also to an Education, to Property and Employment etc : these recent calls to impose an oath to uphold " British Values " may seem to be acceptable and plausible but what will happen after all of this talk of " British Values " meaning pluralism and tolerance is that having put our heads into this noose it will be progressively tightened : pluralism will turn out to mean all those who will submit to being dominated by The Aristocrats and tolerance will be redefined to exclude all those who will not vote for The Democrats in The United Kingdom i.e. The One Party State.

" Persons above the degree of Baron are not compellable to take The Oath."

" I - A.B. - do sincerely promise and swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to their majesties King William and Queen Mary."

" I - A.B. - do swear that I do from my heart abhor, detest and abjure, as impious and heretical that damnable doctrine and position, that Princes excommunicated or deprived by The Pope, or any authority of The See of Rome, may be deposed or murdered by their subjects or any other whatsoever. And I do declare that no foreign Prince, Person, Prelate, State, or Potentate hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction, Power, Superiority, Pre-eminence, or Authority, Ecclesiastical or Spiritual, within this Realm - so help me God.

[ If you want to understand what I had an eye to when I chose the words of " Yr Ardystiad " - " The Attestation " - then read p653 et seq - " ~2 Administering or taking of unlawful Oaths." ]

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This has been in the news recently : here it is - the return of " The Oath of Allegiance " which caused so much harm in the 17c - to be re-instated by The Democrats - all very Demockeratickally because The People in Wales av bin dellyberickellytatidly polickually miseddycayded as merely livestock on the farm managed by The Demockerats - voting as the redtops instruct them to : the triumph of ignorance, prejudice and bigotry - politics reduced to " getting what I want " ... But how can you build a collective society upon the non-political principle of selfishness : The Public Interest is not the sum total of personal interests - all that happens is that all of those competing apetites will cancel each other out and the result is no society at all ... What the re-introduction of " The Oath of Allegiance " will result in will be the progressive redefinition of " Britishness " to demand agreement with and conformity to the political ideologies of those who control The United Kingdom i.e. The Aristocrats who hire The Democrats to attend to their private interests by redefining the The Public Interest to be their own and to manage the misery which results for The People in Wales - redefining their political protests as subversion - and objections to such abuses as these as crimes : expressing my objection to The Electoral Registration and Administration Act by not only refusing to vote but refusing to register to vote to protest against The Demockerats manufacturing their fake Democratic mandate by stuffing The Electoral Register with stolen names - to emphasise both the wisdom and the necessity of obtaining positive consent to conduct any political system successfully is now - treason ?

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/12/07/two-thirds-would-back-oath-integration-immigrants/

You(don't)gov - 07-12-16 - Two thirds would back an “oath of integration” for immigrants

Recommendation from the Casey Review that immigrants should have to swear an “oath of integration with British values and society” is supported by wide sections of society ... On Monday this week headlines were dominated by a controversial new government report into social integration. One of the recommendations from the report was that immigrants intending to settle in Britain should have to swear “an oath of integration with British values and society”. ... YouGov research has now found that introducing such an oath would be widely supported by the general public, with two thirds of British people (66%) agreeing that immigrants should have to swear such an oath. Only 19% of people oppose introducing an oath. ... The suggestion has majority backing across voters of all political parties. Those who voted UKIP in 2015 are the most likely to support introducing an oath of integration, at 93%. Eight in ten Conservative voters back an oath, as do 61% of Liberal Democrat voters and 54% of Labour voters.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/05/migrants-should-swear-oath-allegiance-arrive-uk-dame-lousie/

Migrants should swear an oath of allegiance when they arrive in UK, Dame Lousie Casey says

[ HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE DEMOCKERATS AT WORK : JUST REVIEW THE PAST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AND INSERT " CATHOLICS / POOR / WOMEN / SCOTS / DUTCH / IRISH / WOMEN / WELSH / WOMEN / CATHOLICS / IRISH / SCOTS / FRENCH / BLACKS / INDIANS / CHILDREN / JEWS / ASIANS / WOMEN / IRISH / JEWS / CHINESE / WOMEN / ETC ... ACTUALLY THERE IS NO NEED TO BE RACIALIST ABOUT THIS : " POOR PEOPLE."]

... An 18 month review by Dame Louise Casey has found that the "unprecedented pace and scale of recent immigration" has had a significant impact on many communities. ... It warns that parts of Birmingham, Blackburn, Burnley and Bradford up to 85 per cent of the local population is Muslim, with many holding "very socially Conservative views" about women and homosexuality. ... Muslims living in the UK are, it suggests, increasingly identifying with a global Islamic "Ummah", or community, rather than with being British. ... ... The review says that "more weight should be attached to British values" in the national curriculum and raises "serious concerns" about the growth of unregistered Muslim schools and children being home taught. ...

[ WHY SHOULD WE NEED " BRITISH VALUES " INSTEAD OF MORALITY - INSTEAD OF ETHICS - INSTEAD OF QUESTIONING : THIS IS THE MIS-EDUCATION WHICH IS PRACTISED BY TOTALITARIAN SOCIETIES : RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL INDOCTRINATION - " TEACHING OBEDIENCE TO AUTHORITY MEANS CONDITIONING CHILDREN INTO FEAR OF BEING PROSECUTED BY THOSE WHO CONTROL THE STATE - WHO MAKE THE LAWS TO SERVE THEIR PRIVATE INTERESTS NOT THE PUBLIC INTEREST - AND CONSIST OF - " DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO." - SUCH HYPOCRITES LIVE IN FEAR OF BEING FOUND OUT : PARANOIDS RULE BY PARANOIA.]

... “We need more effort to be put into integration policies to help communities cope with the pace and scale of immigration and population change in recent years. But we also need more of a spirit of unity, compassion and kindness that brings people together under our common British values of tolerance, democracy, equality and respect.” ...

[ HERE IS AN IDEO-RATIONALISTIC TIP : WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER ASSERTIONS SUCH AS " FRENCH CULTURE " " WELSH RUGBY " " ENGLISH CUISINE " IT MEANS THAT A PERSON IS ASSERTING SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW IS NOT TRUE : IF THE FOOD IS GOOD IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED AS BEING " BRITISH " - GO DOWN TO YOUR LOCAL SUPERMARKET WHERE THEY TRY TO CON YOU INTO BUYING " WELSH " EGGS AS IF THE LABEL WAS SOME KIND OF ADDED VALUE WHICH COMPENSATED FOR THEM NOT ONLY BEING SMALL BUT ALREADY WELL ROTTED BEFORE THE SICK CHICKEN EVER MANAGED TO EXPEL THEM.]

... The report warns: "British Muslims are increasingly identifying with a global Muslim ‘Ummah’. This rise in religiosity and less integrated, more regressive and socially conservative versions of Islam is being felt in communities but not discussed openly, other than by Islamophobic hate mongers on the Far Right. ...

[ " THE FAR RIGHT " IS NO DIFFERENT TO " THE FAR LEFT " - THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL ANALYSIS OTHER THAN " FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT " - AND DAME LOUSE'S POLITICAL ANALYSIS AMOUNTS TO HER BEING TRULY SHOCKED BY FINDING OUT THAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN GOD AND IN BEING ORIENTED TO GOD THEY DISCOVER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITH OTHER MUSLIMS ... WOW ... #### ! ... THE REST OF US HAD BETTER HIDE BEHIND OUR SOFAS FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS IN CASE CASEY FINDS OUT THAT JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SIKHS, FEMINISTS, REPUBLICANS ETC ALSO HAVE SUCH INTERNATIONALIST SENTIMENTS.]

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I am not sure exactly how to round this off - other than by pleading for your leniency towards Louise Casey on the grounds that hers is not an immoral attitude : that would require her to know the difference between right and wrong - this is amorality : the lack of any moral sensibilities which is a characteristic of all of The Democrats in Wales and The World - the result of deliberately destroying The Public Discourse by on the one hand declaring that " Religion is a private matter " ( no : obviously not - that is why we have synagogues, churches, mosques, gurdwarahs, temples and rickety picnic tables set out on the pavements to greet people ) - and then on the other hand declaring that " Politics is a secret matter " ( yes : The House of Commons stands empty because those entitled to go into it know that no political discourse takes place there - they only go there for one reason which is to vote - and they do not reason why they vote or how they vote or when they vote or for what they vote : the whips are there to make them vote and their instructions have been jotted on the back of an envelope stuffed behind the toaster in the Prime Minister's flat over No 10 Downing Street ... last week Parliament nearly made a new law for a pint of milk and a loaf of half-white and this situation was only salvaged by The House of Lords amending the act in order to make it more politically correct by adding loaves of other colours into it as well as a provision for several varieties of dairy and non-dairy spreads ( except Marmite : they did try ringing round the nursing homes but either there were not enough hearses available - or perhaps there was just something good on television - unlikely ! )

I think that it might be a good idea to compare " Tendering The Oath " to something more familar and contemporary - The Oath V The Affirmation : they are supposed to be offered as equivalents but it is widely though that opting for The Affirmation casts suspicion upon a witness in the minds of a jury ... In the mind of this jurist I would be inclined to trust the witness more who opted for The Affirmation because they would probably have thought about it - and being more thoughtful they might be a better witness ... But this is simply the reverse prejudice and just as irrational ... I personally would get rid of oaths as being superfluous : read out the penalties for lying in a court room to the witness and ask them to agree to the punishments in store for them if they are caught out - leave it at that. The whole business of creating such things as oaths to superadd to plain-speaking seems to me to superfluous : they are used for but one purpose - that of manufacturing differences between people - differences which already exist but which are asymetric in terms of political power ...

... Oaths are imposed by the powerful upon the powerless because of the disparity of power : they are unilaterally enforced exclusive contracts and therefore they are not legal in Republicanism ... The Hierocrats of The Red Tops are as usual intoxicated by the idea of exercising their power without responsibility so they have not thought of the implications of Casey's idea : try telling journalists that henceforth they are working solely for Rupert Murdoch in a contract where he has all the rights and they have all of the duties and they are not allowed to have any opinions of their own and they can neither opt into another contract nor question or negotiate their own - and ... oh ... bad metaphor ... OK ... look at it another way : since when did an oath ever stop anybody from lying in court ? ... Oaths are worse than futile : as merely symbolic acts those who intend to deceive and to disregard them with their next breath pronounce them with a polished performance and walk away as supposed citizens - whereas those who take them seriously stumble over them, question them and ... well - they will not get very far if they Question The Oath : because they will then be promptly arrested for undermining " British Values " - by asking questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horrible things have been happening to me over the past year - mostly as a result of Democracy - and I certainly did not consent to them ... so far this thread has meandered through compulsive reveries about past centuries on the subject of past instances of where The United Kingdom dealt with those who did not consent to what was imposed by those who controlled it by the use of violence excused by legalism i.e. the abuse in which the pretence of making a laws is claimed to legitimate the injustices which result from it ... but by definition a law is made in order to promote justice - not to destroy it : you can not create consent by deceptions, manipulations, impoverishments or violence - let alone by killing those who do not consent to what you want ... but The Democrats in Wales and Westminster believe that politics is about getting what they want : they are not interested in being either rational or reasonable because Democracy is based upon voting which is not a political activity at all but a contestation for power ...

... Of course they pretend to be both rational and reasonable but they are thespians not politicians : facts and arguments are of no use to Democrats because they rely upon the miseducation and deception of The People in Wales and The World ... or at least they believe that they can rely upon the principle of dividing a society in order to rule it - basically expecting to have their opportunity to be in government next time - but the obvious consequence is what they now protest about and blame The People in Wales and The World for : our societies are now divided in every place where The Democrats have prevailed between The People and The State - in other words The People are acutely aware that The State is not serving The Public Interest i.e. their shared interest in De Res Publica but are rather less aware that The State is serving the private interests of whole colonies of communities which are parasites upon it ...

... Here in Wales the final collapse or eclipse of The Republicans in Wales circa 1916 because of The Easter Rising in Ireland led to the rise of Democratic Socialism with its demagogues ranting on - with urgent necessity - about economic parasites ... but there are other ways of appropriating power over and within The State which in the old theories of various early Republicanisms were more explicit : illegitimate ways which I have collectively labelled as Ultraisms - " beyond-the-boundary-isms " - and if you find yourself feeling left out of your society then you know that one or more of these are present : Ultraists draw the boundary around themselves, resulting in the perverse illusion for everybody else that they feel left out of society - that society only includes certain communities ... and those are the deluded communities which in order to exclude everybody else from society seek to the means to do so in The State and declare - of course - that their private interests are identical to The Public Interest : this is why The United Kingdom suffers from " pendulum politics " - we do not have the constitutional means to defend The State against The Ultraists whose activities for the most part are conducted in secrecy.

When any public affair - but especially the government of The State - of The People in Wales and The World is conducted in secrecy then to claim that it is being conducted with their consent - tacit or otherwise - is both irrational and unreasonable : consent requires understanding and that is not possible when the decision making processes of a political system are hidden from view ... nor is it enough to claim that the representatives who have been elected to participate in these decision making processes will be held accountable to their electorate several years later ... voting is not a decision making process - not even when it is solely upon one issue as in a referendum ... a decision making process is defined by examining the facts and considering the arguments about them : it is about developing a collective understanding and thereby being able to create the basis upon which it is possible to cooperate i.e. consent is the ultimate end to which political systems strive - so when your consent is being demanded beforehand and you are threatened with fines, imprisonments and other sanctions for witholding your consent then you know that you are not encountering a political system ... this happens when The State has been seized control of by communities which are pursuing their private interests and pretending them to be The Public Interest - as in The United Kingdom : but do not worry ... " The State " in all cases is but a heap of paper and it lends nothing more than the appearance of a legitimacy which is thinner than the paper which it is written on : its authority relies solely on consent.

So if " The State " is hurting you and you discover that it provides you with no political or legal remedies because whatever coalitions of Ultraists are ruling over you ( and pretending that their violence towards you is legitimate because they all voted to revive those medieval laws to make it legal to steal your savings and rape your daughters and bugger your sons ) then find some practical ways to positively refuse to give your consent : voting for protest parties may be amusing but it endorses " The State " and whereas The Democrats in Wales and Westminster used to be alarmed by the numbers not voting at all - such that even if they pooled all of their votes together they still could not break 50% of the available votes in many constituencies - they have now solved that dilemma to their own satisfaction by declaring the actual electorate to be irrelevant : it is the number of names on The Electoral Register which supposedly now decide whether The United Kingdom has a " Democratic Mandate " or not - and those names can be supplied without having to obtain the consent of The People in Wales and The World ... as I said above : you can tell whether or not you are encountering a political system by whether or not it is based upon consent or upon obtaining " consent " by passing such laws as The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013.

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Note that Republican historian and theorist Quentin Skinner contributes to this discussion -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH-NxQmf87k - How Machiavellian was Machiavelli ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08hm9w2

The Age of Consent- Episode 1 of 2

Helena Kennedy QC explores the key idea of consent in our politics, law, media and digital lives.

Contemporary living is predicated on the concept of consent, in our relationships with each other, in law, in healthcare - and above all in politics. Legitimate government relies upon the consent of the people. At some level, consent means we must have agreed to be governed, allegedly through the ballot box. Without our consent, political institutions would lack legitimacy.

Yet we know it is not quite so straightforward. How well informed is our consent, and can the methods for securing it be manipulated? When should silence be taken as a form of 'tacit' consent, and does an absence of dissent imply widespread agreement to the order of things? Isn't consent really a spectrum and when new norms are created, what happens when they are not shared by all parts of society? These questions go to the heart of our politics, law, data, media and whole areas of public life.

This two-part series explores the idea of consent as a vital component of our political life, our legal obligations and how we control personal information in the digital age. But also, in terms of the psyche, an idea that says something about our own selves - what have we really consented to in the way we live, the way we are governed? Is informed consent even possible in age of so-called post-truth, fake news, propaganda and spin?

Series contributors include psychotherapist Adam Phillips, historian Quentin Skinner, digital philosopher Mark Andrejevik, essayist Pankaj Mishra and American political writer Thomas Frank.

Presenter: Helena Kennedy QC
Producer: Simon Hollis
A Brook Lapping Production for BBC Radio 4.

... I was actually intending to write about Helena Kennedy's programme : hopefully somebody will now record her programme and then publish it on Youtube etc in order to make it available to The People in Wales and The World ... ah - but is she a Nomocrat ? ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Kennedy,_Baroness_Kennedy_of_The_Shaws

Helena Ann Kennedy, Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws, QC, FRSA (born 12 May 1950),[1] is a British barrister, broadcaster, and Labour member of the House of Lords. Baroness Kennedy is a former chair of the Human Genetics Commission, which advises Her Majesty's Government on ethical, social, and legal issues arising from developments in genetic science.

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Well ... I enjoy writing far too much ... but it has to be either my crack insane or crack cocaine ...

From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 15 March 2017 00:47
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Subject: CONSENT : a live issue for me because I am refusing to consent to my name being placed without my consent upon THE ELECTORAL REGISTER

Baroness Helena Kennedy QC, C/O Hillary Hard, House of Lords, LONDON SW1A 0PW

Dear Helena,

without burdening you with the panopoly of reasons as to why I was finally compelled to divorce Republicanism and Democracy in 2013 - and whilst bewildered as to exactly why it was worthwhile my adopting this late 17c / early 18c stance - Parliament passed The Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013 which finally excluded all legal possibility of refusing to give my consent to being abused by those whom The United Kingdom serves - which is certainly not people such as myself.

I began setting down my thoughts about it here - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=689

You can read there what I have been doing in the way of witnessing against the reintroduction of yet another version of those laws to coerce dissenters which have been on and off the statute book roughly every eighty years I think on average. I can not say that I have developed a detailed defence should I be summoned before the magistrates' court to answer for this and I am certainly doubting my own judgment but I am very passionate about my name being stolen.

I would argue to you that if we take in the whole history of the various legal systems within Britain and Ireland we can see that they have always been utterly dependent upon each individual being in possession of and in control of the use of their own name : in effect our names are the only things which we could still possess after our deaths - before November 2013. If this principle of The State appropriating our names and thus The Democrats enabling themselves to manufacture our consent to their legitimacy is admitted then by its extension the whole of civil law could be eroded.

I do not know if you are going to address this issue in the second episode of your series - but please consider it !!!

What I wrote in response to your first episode is here - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4854#4854

Yours Sincerely

David B. Lawrence,

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The Age of Consent - Episode 2/2 -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08jpfsk

- did not go exactly where I wanted it to but re-listening to it was worthwhile


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