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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK - admit it " dai bach " - has_Your interest in Israel died back ? PASS ?_No - but I find The Ersatz like a Black Hole -_A burning horizon around a slack whole_The Real undefined - a sly pack en masse ? = A friend - or not - has decided now without a dither_To go out and live again in That Place thither -_And this time to accept a passport - and a gun_Which was my joke but that has begun_A separation between us of more miles than hither = I was lectured about how really caring_The IDF is - and I was despairing -_That it is like Northern Ireland was - not so bad -_No : The IRA ... And this became all very wearing = I have no solutions for a country the size of Wales -_Or Butetown - or within any other Pales :_My Faith is in The People because they know no such bounds_The solutions which they will reach for can not be conveyed in sounds :_Without The Shekinah moving them all words are windless sails.

OK - admit it " dai bach " - has_
Your interest in Israel died back ? PASS ?_
No - but I find The Ersatz like a Black Hole -_
A collapsing horizon around a slack whole_
The Real undefined - a sly pack en masse ?
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A friend - or not - has now decided without a dither_
To go out and live again in That Place thither -_
And this time to accept a passport - and a gun_
Which was my joke but that has begun_
A separation between us of more miles than hither.
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I was lectured about how really caring_
The IDF is - and I was despairing -_
That Israel is like Northern Ireland was - but not so bad :_
And that the occasional acts of violence are just sad -
No : The IRA ... And this became all very wearing ...
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I have no solutions for a conflict the size of Wales -_
Or of Cardiff - or of such others within The Pales :_
Other than by placing my Faith in The People because they know no bounds_
For the solutions which they will reach for will not be conveyed in sounds :_
Without The Shekinah moving them all of our words are windless sails.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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" What is poetry which does not save nations or people ? "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czesław_Miłosz

Czesław Miłosz ([ˈt͡ʂɛswaf ˈmiwɔʂ] (About this sound listen); 30 June 1911 – 14 August 2004) was a Polish poet, prose writer, translator and diplomat. His World War II-era sequence The World is a collection of twenty "naïve" poems. Following the war, he served as Polish cultural attaché in Paris and Washington, D.C., then in 1951 defected to the West. His nonfiction book The Captive Mind (1953) became a classic of anti-Stalinism ... He often is quoted as having said, "Language is the only homeland." ...

... Miłosz's 1953 book, The Captive Mind, is a study about how intellectuals behave under a repressive regime. Miłosz observed that those who became dissidents were not necessarily those with the strongest minds but rather those with the weakest stomachs; the mind can rationalize anything, he said, but the stomach can take only so much. Throughout the Cold War, the book was often cited by U.S. conservative commentators such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and it has been a staple in political science courses on totalitarianism. ...

... During the Nazi occupation of Poland, Miłosz was active in the work of Organizacja Socjalistyczno-Niepodległościowa "Wolność" ("The 'Freedom' Socialist Pro-Independence Organisation"). In his activity with "Wolność", Miłosz gave aid to Warsaw Jews. His brother Andrzej Miłosz was also active in helping Jews in Nazi-occupied Poland, and in 1943 Andrzej transported the Polish Jew Seweryn Tross and his wife from Vilnius to Warsaw. Czesław Miłosz took in the Trosses, found them a hiding place, and supported them financially. The Trosses ultimately died during the Warsaw Uprising. Miłosz helped at least three other Jews — Felicja Wołkomińska and her brother and sister. For these efforts, Miłosz received the medal of the Righteous Among the Nations in Yad Vashem, Israel in 1989 ... A poem by Miłosz appears on a Gdańsk memorial to protesting shipyard workers who had been killed by government security forces in 1970. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Captive_Mind

... The Captive Mind begins with a discussion of the novel Insatiability by Stanisław Ignacy Witkiewicz and its plot device of Murti-Bing pills, which are used as a metaphor for dialectical materialism, but also for the deadening of the intellect caused by consumerism in Western society. The second chapter considers the way in which the West was seen at the time by residents of Central and Eastern Europe, while the third outlines the practice of Ketman, the act of paying lip service to authority while concealing personal opposition, describing seven forms applied in the people's democracies of mid-20th century Europe. ... The book elaborates the idea of "enslavement through consciousness" in the penultimate chapter, and closes with a pained and personal assessment of the fate of the Baltic nations in particular. Its list of chapters includes: 1. The Pill of Murti-Bing, 2. Looking to the West, 3. Ketman, 4. Alpha, the Moralist, 5. Beta the Disappointed Lover, 6. Gamma, the Slave of History, 7. Delta, the Troubadour, 8. Man, This Enemy, and 9. The Lesson of the Baltics. ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Captive-Mind-Penguin-Modern-Classics/dp/0141186763

Written in Paris in the early 1950s, this book created instant controversy in its analysis of modern society that had allowed itself to be hypnotized by socio-political doctrines, and to accept totalitarian terror on the strength of a hypothetical future.

http://occasionalreview.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/captive-mind-by-czeslaw-milosz.html

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - Review by Akshay Ahuja

The Captive Mind, by Czeslaw Milosz

... The book’s epigram appeared to prepare me for getting what I wanted; it is a quote from “an old Jew of Galicia”:

When someone is honestly 55% right, that’s very good and there’s no use wrangling. And if someone is 60% right, it’s wonderful, it’s great luck, and let him thank God. But what’s to be said about 75% right? Wise people say this is suspicious. Well, and what about 100% right? Whoever say he’s 100% right is a fanatic, a thug, and the worst kind of rascal. ... ... ...

... In any case, as I started reading, I realized I wasn’t going to get what I was looking for. Milosz describes the attractions of Communism; the hard questions that any all-embracing philosophy spares a person from answering for herself; and the strange sort of dissembling life produced in a society of informants. There were oblique analogies here to American life, but nothing direct. Everything was beautifully written, and clearly the product of an incisive mind, but it felt like a book that no one would much care to read fifty years from now. ... And then, a few chapters in, Milosz starts writing a different sort of book. He produces four character sketches of artists known to him who, in some form of another, decided to bend their art to the demands of the state. ... ... ...

... Most Western artists no longer have to worry about the demands of the state, but the traits that make a person susceptible to one capitulation will always leave him open to others, and modern society has no end of compromises that it encourages artists to make. Forget modern society—life encourages compromises. It is always easier to take your cues from convention, give up before something is quite right—or, for that matter, just leave the damn page blank and go to bed.

There are a few books that I feel like I need to read every few years to steady myself somehow. Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion is one; I think this will become another. I encourage everyone to read it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This poem was constantly quoted to me by my dad when I was a child - the owl in question is arguably a reference to Athena the goddess of wisdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_of_Athena



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wise_Old_Owl

This version was first published in Punch, April 10, 1875, and ran as follows:

There was an owl liv'd in an oak
The more he heard, the less he spoke
The less he spoke, the more he heard.
O, if men were all like that wise bird.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/f032_Owl.htm

... The owl is a longtime symbol of the Illuminati and Freemasons." ... How did the medieval men understand the owl? For them, the owl symbolized mourning and desolation because it is a bird that lives for the darkness. Thus it represents sinners who have given up living in the light and have chosen the darkness of sin. ... An image of St. Francis preaching to the birds from a 13th century psalter shows a prominent owl sitting on a branch, which was commonly understood as a representation of the Jews ... [ OH DEAR ] ... The owl's symbolism with the occult and secret knowledge has a long history. Since the times of the Greeks and Romans, the owl – ruler of the night – was a guardian of the underworlds inhabited by the demons. An owl was always on the shoulder of Minerva and Athena, goddesses of wisdom and learning, symbolizing the occult knowledge of the pagan gods. ... Since the Illumninati pretend to be the wise rulers of the planet, maintaining and passing on the secret knowledge of the ancient deities, that is, devils, the owl became one of their symbols. Its unblinking large eye represents the all-seeing eye of the Illuminati that never closes. ...

[ I NOT LIKING WHERE THIS IS GOING ]

http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast245.htm

The owl haunts ruins and flies only at night; preferring to live in darkness it hides from the light. It is a dirty, slothful bird that pollutes its own nest with its dung. It is often found near tombs and lives in caves. Some say it flies backwards. When other birds see it hiding during the day, they noisily attack it to betray its hiding place. Owls cry out when they sense that someone is about to die. ... There are several kinds of owls described in the bestiaries: noctua, the night-owl, that lives in the walls of ruined houses and shuns the light; nicticorax, the night-raven; and the bubo, the common owl, a dirty bird that pollutes its nest. ... Hrabanus Maurus says that the owl signifies those who have given themselves up to the darkness of sin and those who flee from the light of righteousness. ... The long, hooked beak of the owl is prominent in most manuscript illustrations; this was intended to show the supposed hooked nose of the Jews. At times the owl is given an almost human face to emphasize this. The scene of the owl mobbed by other birds is common in manuscripts and is often carved on misericords. ...

[ I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS : BUT I ALREADY THOUGHT OF THE OWL AS HAVING FORWARD FACING EYES AND SO A VERY HUMAN FACE - BUT IT CAN ALSO SWIVEL ITS HEAD AROUND TO SURVEY EVERYTHING AND IT CAN SEE THINGS CONCEALED IN DARKNESS : IT COULD BE TAKEN AS SYMBOLISING G#D HIMSELF ? ... HOWEVER IT IS A BIRD OF PREY AND REGURGITATES ITS FOOD ... ]

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9912/jewish/Chapter-11.htm

... 13 And among birds, you shall hold these in abomination; they shall not be eaten; they are an abomination: The eagle [or the griffin vulture], the kite, the osprey, 14 the kestrel, and the vulture after its species, 15 and the raven after its species, 16 the ostrich, the jay, and the sparrow hawk, and the goshawk after its species; 17 The owl, the gull, the little owl; 18 The bat, the starling, the magpie; 19 the stork, the heron after its species; the hoopoe and the atalef [bat?]; ...

https://awingandaway.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/birds-in-judaism-and-jewish-culture/

... The reasons are debatable as to why certain birds are declared “unclean” (10); however, most of the forbidden fowl listed do consume meat. Eagles, owls, hawks, and other raptors fall into this category. Carrion feeders, such as vultures and crows, are also prohibited as food. These scriptures indicate as well that many kinds of waterfowl, ranging from a broad realm of seagulls to the larger herons, pelicans, and cormorants, are unclean. Again, note that these latter birds consume lots of fish. ... Some restrictions are less obvious. For example, add to the list of the unclean, Israel’s national bird, the hoopoe, which occasionally eats small reptiles and amphibians. While this crested bird (pictured above) is associated with King Solomon (11), the creature’s habit of sifting through animal feces to find insects and of messing its nests are far from appealing characteristics. ...

... A strong case could be made that of all birds presented in Jewish scriptures, literature, and folklore, the owl is the most despised. After all, during the medieval period, the bird came to be strongly associated with Lilith, a demoness and witch, and in some traditions, the first wife of Adam. She is even named in Isaiah 34: 14 as part of the aforementioned curse on Edom. The ninth-century text Alpha Beta de-Ben Sira (or Alphabet of Ben Sira) offers a much more detailed picture of Lilith. Over time, she was taken to be more than just a temptress and disobedient free spirit; she was also blamed for strangling infants at night during their sleep (14). According to Jewish and African lore, the nocturnal cry of a nearby owl, not surprisingly, was once thought capable of inflicting death on a baby (15, 16). ...

[ OK - WHERE ON EARTH WAS THIS GOING ? ]

Well I was thinking about the poem : I shunned the whole Israel-Palestine issue for thirty years because it was clouded by claims and counter-claims and I resented Lil'Sis playing upon my sense of identity to demand that I give my loyalties to Ersatz Israel instead of the real Israel of The Jews in The World who are suffering because of Zionists screwing with their heads and more importantly other people's heads in order to extract money and political support from especially The USA ... My faith in Jews was damaged to the point whereby I thought that Judaism in Israel was more or less dead - until I could look past these clouds of bullshit and see that The People in Israel and The People in Palestine were not as represented and that many were still behaving correctly and therefore there is hope for the situation ... But the propaganda wars between The Hierocrats in Israel and Palestine is a real problem for me still : lies can be manufactured effortlessly to confuse us and the time necessary to expose The Truth is simply not available to us ... I think that this is where it becomes not only necessary to place our faith in others but positively beneficial to ourselves and others to do so and therefore not have the precious time left to us wasted by The Liars in Israel - and The Liars in Palestine : we not only have to see but to fly and hunt without The Light - our hearing others is more important than our speaking to them.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4987758,00.html

Israel vs. boycott movement: From defense to offense

One of Israel’s most important and difficult battles is being waged from the 29th floor of a Ramat Gan tower. With a biennial budget of NIS 250 million, Ministry of Strategic Affairs now stands at forefront of the war on delegitimization, adopting methods from the fields of intelligence and technology.

[ WHAT HAS DELEGITIMISED ERSATZ ISRAEL ? WELL IT IS NOT " JEWISH " AND IT IS NOT A " REPUBLIC " AND IT IS NOT " DEMOCRATIC " AND NONE OF THIS IS THE RESULT OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE, FRIENDS OR FOES.]

... Brigadier-General (res.) Sima Vaknin-Gil, director-general of the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, which is leading the battle these days, sees it as a war for all intents and purposes. “The delegitimization against the State of Israel can be curbed and contained through public diplomacy and soft tools,” she says. “In order to win, however, we must use tricks and craftiness. The bottom line is the rival has moved from its comfort zone into our comfort zone. Today the rival is on the defense and we are on the offensive.” ... The ministry—led by Public Security, Strategic Affairs and Information Minister Gilad Erdan—has quietly managed to receive a biennial budget of about NIS 250 million (roughly $70 million) and stand at the forefront of the battle against delegitimization, adopting methods from the fields of intelligence and technology. There is a reason why ministry officials define it as “a war on consciousness terrorism.” ... In the past six months, the ministry demonstrated abilities of prevention, torpedoing and thwarting overseas activities like “hate events,” global anti-Israel campaigns, boycott organizations, etc. The ministry has recorded an impressive success in eight cases in this area, but is refraining from making its achievements public so as not to expose its abilities and methods of action. ...

[ IN OTHER WORDS THESE ARE ILLEGITIMATE METHODS TO DENY THE ILLEGITIMACY OF THOSE THEY SERVE ]

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The illegitimate thing which I am worrying about is the re-re-defining of the word " terrorism " in the 21c when it had already been re-defined in the 20c away from its 19c definition. " Terrorism " implies a mass orchestration of the means to instil fear in the populace and the origin of the word is in the first French Revolution when The Democrats moved against The Republicans in 1793 in " The Red Terror " and the backlash against then in " The White Terror." In both cases The State made mass propaganda to scare The People by spreading paranoia about " The Enemies of The People " thus encouraging them to denounce anybody "suspicious." This was very much akin to medieval witch hunts and as in them most of the victims were innocent but marginalised and from the point of view of those who controlled The State merely convenient because none would defend them e.g. they were often Jews and the obvious example to quote is what happened to Alfred Dreyfus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_conviction_of_Alfred_Dreyfus

In the 20c individual acts of violence - originally especially by Anarchists - were re-defined to be " terrorism " because The State seized upon these to use for mass propaganda to scare The People by spreading paranoia about " The Enemies of The People " thus encouraging them to denounce anybody " suspicious." This was different however because the terrorists were not the perpetrators of these acts of violence but were still those who controlled The State who instead of having to invent and suggest a threat could use these marginalised people who were excited by this propaganda for their ends. A lone individual can not by definition be a terrorist because although they might briefly frighten a few people they are not able to induce terror by a single isolated act e.g. a suicide bomber can not repeat his / her action. By definition terrorism requires mass propaganda to spread fear in The People and is usually conducted by The State -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

It does not necessarily have to be The State however - terrorism is arguably the preserve of The Hierarchy which may not be in the employ of Monocrats, Aristocrats or Democrats - or rather may they form allegiances with them and dissolve such alliances according to their private interests e.g. rival Hierocracies are visible in various media empires. Newspaper barons and then television moghuls dominated the 20c but a new phenomenon has emerged in the 21c with the internet ... so could the allegation that various international campaigns being conducted on the internet are " terrorism " be justified ? No. By definition terrorism is directed towards promoting fear of a supposed radical minority who seek to overthrow The State by violence, and the propaganda used by terrorists is explicitly about manufacturing such an imagined minority by the use of falsehoods - and as we have seen here in Wales this largely consists of projecting onto such an imagined minority the motives and methods of those who are sponsoring the propaganda ... " The Black Factions " which we have to deal with and refute get their ideas about " Republicanism in Wales " from the grotesque propaganda against imagined Republicans by The Supporters of The United Kingdom ...

... And that is what the campaigners for BDS are facing from Ersatz Israel ...

The danger to BDS is that somebody will believe in Israeli propaganda and go on a bombing spree proclaiming themselves to be doing this on behalf of BDS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No - I was not there, I never go : my religious world has shrunk away to almost nothing ... at present ...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/writingfromtheedge/2017/08/equality-thats-cant-work/

[ TRYING TO PICK OUT SOME KEY BITS INSTEAD OF HIJACKING THE LOT ]

“It’s About Equality, and That’s Why I Can’t Work With You on This.”

AUGUST 5, 2017 BY ROBERT A. H. COHEN

... It needs a clear, easy to understand message. A bold ambition. But, ultimately, an achievable one. ... When it comes to Israel/Palestine we still don’t have that single, bold, unifying message. ... Okay, are you ready ? ... “Equal rights” ... That’s it. ... It’s simple, it’s clear, it’s easy to understand. ... But tragically, it’s also highly contentious. Highly controversial. ... Because equal rights, International Law, UN Security Council resolutions don’t appear to count for much when it comes to Israel/Palestine. ... We have created too much complexity, too many excuses. Far too many reasons to justify injustice. ... But despite all that’s in our way, I still believe that the concept of equality is where we should start. Because starting out from any other place quickly leads you back to inequality. ... I’m in no doubt that as Jews, our relationship with Israel and the Palestinians is the greatest issue, and the greatest challenge, facing us in 21st century. ... Everything else either relates to that relationship, or it pales into insignificance against it. ... The tragedy is that right now we are making a terrible hash of it. ...

[ IT IS GOOD FOR THREE READS THROUGH - MAY BE FOUR : GO - READ ! ]
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I see that business here has slowed down - probably because I am off-subject -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmqbf5P2AZM - Lowkey - Antiwar Mass Assembly 8 Oct 2011 [inminds]

- watching several Lowkey pieces on youtube and that came up : see what we are up against ? ... In a sort of sandwich between two slabs of concreted ideas - just a pickle with no meet to mention ... Lowkey says much that I agree with yet what I select from what he says is not what others might select ... on the one hand good causes need good spokesmen but on the other lone individuals who articulate such thoughts need to persuade others to remember them not merely cheer them ... and my scribbles ? ... >sigh< ... well they entertain me - and I would be ashamed to spend my time watching television or playing golf.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/05/sympathy-palestinians-more-common-britain-france-a/

British public more pro-Palestinian than French or Americans

[ BUT THAT WAS IN 2014 ... I WONDER WHAT THE POSITION IS NOW ? ]

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.809687

Liberal American Jews Are 'Basically anti-Israel,' ex-Trump Aide Gorka Says
Former adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump takes aim at what he called 'one of the saddest phenomena in modern American politics'

Amir Tibon Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM

http://www.jpost.com/International/Why-does-Germanys-young-generation-hold-negative-views-of-Israel-402774

WHY DOES GERMANY’S YOUNG GENERATION HOLD NEGATIVE VIEWS OF ISRAEL?

Many young Germans simply cannot internalize Israel’s self-defense wars against lethal anti-Semitic terroristic organizations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad.

BYBENJAMIN WEINTHAL MAY 12, 2015 00:12


https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2015/4/16/myths-around-the-french-ban-on-pro-palestine-protests

Comment: You can't keep the French from protesting. And the much hyped ban on pro-Palestinian protests was more about pro-Israel violence and lasted only for half a protest. ...

... Socialist Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve wanted demonstrations to halt in Paris because of the threat of violence from the Jewish Defense League (JDL) who had attacked marchers on July 13 and baited them into fighting. ... Ironically, no JDL thugs were arrested, despite video evidence showing them smashing up property in full view of the police. The stories gave equal weight to ‘violence among Palestinian supporters’ failing to mention (until the video was released several days later) that the source was the JDL, an organisation that is on the US terrorist list. ... There were no attacks on synagogues, but there were JDL attacks on peaceful demonstrators exercising their right to be heard. When asked at the time why he would try to pass such an onerous law, Cazeneauve replied, “I fear there might be a repeat of the fights between ‘ultra’ Jewish vigilantes and pro-Palestinians.” He clearly knew who started the fights, calling the agitators, “ultra-Jewish vigilantes.” ...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A small opportunity to support what I think that the solution to it all is -

https://www.humanrightstulip.nl/

Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Human Rights Tulip is an annual award for individuals or organisations that promote human rights worldwide in innovative ways.

[ BUT YOU DO NOT NEED TO VOTE FOR THIS NOMINEE - THERE ARE TEN OTHERS ]

https://www.humanrightstulip.nl/candidates-and-voting/gisha

Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents.

Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law. The restrictions on movement, placed upon Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by Israel, violate the fundamental right of Palestinians to freedom of movement.

Because freedom of movement is a precondition for exercising other basic rights, Gisha’s work has a multiplier effect in helping residents of the occupied territories with access to education, jobs, family members and medical care. Through legal assistance and public advocacy, Gisha has helped thousands of people overcome travel restrictions in order to get access to jobs, education, medical care and family.

As part of its advocacy work, Gisha reaches out to members of the public and opinion-makers using publications in various media, in order to promote awareness and sensitivity for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories. Gisha also advocates directly before decision-makers to promote policies that respect human rights.

https://gisha.org/about/about-gisha

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[ SOMETHING WHICH CONCERNS ME IS THAT THE ISRAELI LEFT ARE UNDER ATTACK AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE UPHOLDERS OF THE CONSTITUTION WHICH THE RIGHT ARE PROGRESSIVELY UNDERMINING - ALONG WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE SOLUTION FOR THE PALESTINIANS ]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-ngos-condemn-harassment-death-threats/

Left-wing NGOs condemn harassment, death threats

Groups say their depiction as foreign agents is part of an effort to 'destroy civil society,' right-wing campaign led to personal attacks. ... Left-wing Israeli NGOs on Friday jointly condemned attempts to depict their leaders as foreign agents, saying that such claims have led to harassment and even death threats. ... Five heads of left-wing NGOs held a rare joint press conference in Tel Aviv to express their concern at increasingly personal attacks they have been subjected to in recent months. ... They said they were speaking on behalf of 50 pro-peace or human rights organizations. ... “We are facing an orchestrated effort to destroy civil society in Israel,” said Yuli Novak, president of the Breaking the Silence group which provides a platform for former IDF soldiers to denounce the army’s actions. ... She said NGOs had faced “an unprecedented wave of attacks and (the campaign’s) strength is taking root in the highest political levels, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-ngo-law-risks-undermining-israels-democratic-values/

EU: NGO law risks undermining Israel’s democratic values

28-nation bloc says reporting requirements 'go beyond the legitimate need for transparency,' urges Israel not to curtail free speech ... The law — approved by Knesset late Monday night — mandates that non-government organizations that receive more than half their funds from foreign governments or state agencies disclose that fact in any public reports, advocacy literature and interactions with government officials, or face a NIS 29,000 fine ($7,500). ... The Israeli government has defended the law as a way to increase transparency of foreign government intervention in Israeli affairs. Critics, meanwhile, maintain the law unfairly targets left-wing and human rights organizations, many of which receive funding from European countries. ... The European Union said Tuesday that the recently passed NGO law goes “beyond the legitimate need for transparency,” appears to be aimed at limiting the activities of certain groups, and risks undermining Israel’s democratic values.

The law — approved by Knesset late Monday night — mandates that non-government organizations that receive more than half their funds from foreign governments or state agencies disclose that fact in any public reports, advocacy literature and interactions with government officials, or face a NIS 29,000 fine ($7,500). ... The Israeli government has defended the law as a way to increase transparency of foreign government intervention in Israeli affairs. Critics, meanwhile, maintain the law unfairly targets left-wing and human rights organizations, many of which receive funding from European countries. ... “The reporting requirements imposed by the new law go beyond the legitimate need for transparency and seem aimed at constraining the activities of these civil society organizations working in Israel,” the European Union said. ... “Israel enjoys a vibrant democracy, freedom of speech and a diverse civil society which are an integral part of the values which Israel and the EU both hold dear. This new legislation risks undermining these values,” it added. ... The 28-nation bloc also urged Israel “to refrain from actions which may complicate the space in which civil society organizations operate and which may curtail freedom of expression and association.”
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qzwB4_P5ak4

Still lacking the energy to bring something out of what I am skimming : solutions are not for those not involved to prescribe ... but it is legitimate to react and comment ...

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.812425

Shit - another attack on The Judiciary : and Israel is not unique - The Law is under attack all over The World, as if what happens in Israel is an alarm signal for everywhere else - the Jewish canary trapped in its Zionist cage ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryr73Tt5Qs4

The truly religious Jews are always excommunicated ?
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Perhaps this belongs in the Palestine and Israel thread .. . tends to prove what I think : the governments of both sides benefit from maintaining the conflict -

http://forward.com/opinion/381870/israel-and-the-palestinian-authority-finally-agree-about-jailing-peace-acti/

" ... The assumption is that the Palestinian Authority is an independent country with control over its own elections. But the Palestinian Authority is not a country. It is Israel’s subcontractor in the West Bank. When Palestinians elect people the Israeli government deems a security risk, Israel arrests them. So, as PA President, Abbas’ authoritarianism is a joint Israeli-Palestinian project. He won’t hold elections because he might lose power. And Israel won’t let him hold elections because he might lose power to someone less willing to help Israel maintain order. ... When it comes to subjugating Palestinians, Israeli-Palestinian cooperation is alive and well. ... Nothing illustrates that better than the case of Issa Amro. Amro, an internationally acclaimed nonviolent activist in Hebron who has written for the Forward, has been arrested by Israel numerous times. He is currently awaiting trial before an Israeli military court on charges that Amnesty International calls “baseless and politically motivated.” But on Sunday, Amro was detained not by Israeli troops but by Palestinian ones. The sequence of events that led to his detention says a lot about the way Israel and the PA work together to deny Palestinians basic rights. ...

[ WORTH READING THE FULL STORY ]

https://www.siso.org.il/

IN SEPTEMBER2016, 500 OF ISRAEL'S MOST WELL-RESPECTED SCIENTISTS, ARTISTS AND PUBLIC INTELLECTUALS ISSUED " A CALL FROM ISRAELIS TO THE JEWS OF THE WORLD " - IF YOU CARE ABOUT ISRAEL SILENCE IS NO LONGER AN OPTION !

As we approach June 2017, fifty years of Israeli military control over the Palestinians, Israel stands at a crossroads. The present situation is disastrous.

The prolonged occupation is inherently oppressive for Palestinians and fuels mutual bloodshed. It undermines the moral and democratic fabric of the State of Israel and hurts its standing in the community of nations.

Our best hope for the future – the surest path toward security, peace, and prosperity – lies in a negotiated resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that will result in the establishment of an independent Palestinian State alongside the State of Israel.

We call upon Jews around the world to join with Israeli partners for coordinated action to end the occupation and build a new future, for the sake of the State of Israel and the generations to come.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I know that is not relevant and not really a proem but ... I have an invitation to dinner for Rosh Hashana and last year I was so distracted I entirely forgot to my hostess' irritation - Confused

Your dinner is in the oven - gone to bed_
Your dinner is in the dog - gone to bed_
Your dinner is in the bin - gone to bed_
Your dinner is in the freezer - gone to bed_
Your dinner is in the rabbi - gone to bed ...

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An article by Jonathan Freedland which is informative but ... but ... but ... ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/15/middle-east-peace-process-theatre-play-oslo-negotiations

The talking is over, the occupation goes on. Will there ever be peace in the Middle East ? - Jonathan Freedland

His starting point is the play " Oslo " with a link to its review -

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/jun/08/oslo-west-end-jt-rogers-tony-awards

Oslo: the smash hit about the peace accords that's been scrutinised by 1,000 UN delegates

" ... Oslo tells the previously unexplored story behind the peace process that led, in September 1993, to Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin and PLO chairman Yasser Arafat shaking hands in Washington, with President Bill Clinton beaming between them like a marriage celebrant. This moment was brokered by Terje Rød-Larsen, the central character of the play, a Norwegian diplomat who arranged secret meetings between Israeli and Palestinian representatives. ... Although the Scandinavian initiative showed the shape of a possible future two-state solution, the hopeful photo on the White House lawn now looks like science fiction, as the Israeli and Palestinian positions have widened and entrenched. ... Oslo – like Blood and Gifts and The Overwhelming – discusses serious political ideas within the form of a thriller, and this is Rogers’s own diplomatic negotiation with the audience: “I think the structures of genre get short shrift from critics. But there’s something in thrillers, melodramas and even screwball comedy – depending on the project – that give you an underpinning that is wonderfully useful for holding a script together. You can take structural elements from a genre but then do something completely different with them. I think there’s something very satisfying and compelling about experiencing a well-told tale, regardless of what the subject matter or ideas are.” ... "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k57QV8FMrXk

Broadway's 'Oslo' captures behind-the-scenes drama of painstaking diplomacy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - I am having difficulty giving the proper subject attention -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Epeawwf1V6A

- it is a series on Forverts video channel - see http://forward.com

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forward
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A worthwhile project ?

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCc4iogeOUXNw1RZSNTOlMeg

Post Script - I like this guy's project and have dipped into it before and it sort of confirms my opinion that ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians if left to act freely would gradually sort the mess out : this video demonstrates how Islam does not correlate with hatred for Israelis but that Palestinian hatred for Israel closely correlates with the violence being done to them by The Government in Israel. The good news is that those with Israeli friends hate less.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjFJ0HPt5g


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Struggling I think but in the right direction -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eKoWgbV8NKs - What is the Chabad approach to Zionism in Eretz Yisroel?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guQE9IRRKM4 - Rabbi State "Zionism Is Racism"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpD0mQ4LUM

Bumbling or rather mumblinmhg around in the kitchen of lesser delights and not sure as to whether to compare myself to Henry Higgins or Eliza Doolittle ... and not finding much to write about on this thread ... Judaism and Christianity were not so very different for centuries after the destruction of The Temple by The Romans but the latter met its destruction as a religion when The Romans seized upon it as a means to replace The Cult of The Sacred Imperial Family which had rather become discredited by killing them off and replacing them every few months ... Christianity as a political tool became a great success in that it was used to justify invading foreign lands in order to displace native peoples and ... well we know what came next : Islam arose to rally a native people to confront and eventually defeat the Byzantine Empire which was the remains of The Roman Empire - Islam defeated the corrupted form of Eastern Christianity only to become its mirror image using exactly the same methods. ... Without an empire to corrupt it Judaism passed 1900+ years by concentrating upon the business of religion ... but now Ersatz Israel is being ruled by wannabee Roman Emperors they want to seize control of Judaism as their predecessors seized Christianity - ?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an article on the tangle of lies accumulating around " Breaking The Silence " as its critics try to discredit it - but I do not have the time & it is inconvenient on my mobile to copy bits from this so go read it - hopefully I might do something on the computer later - good journalism ...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.824227
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42259443

President Donald Trump has announced that the US now recognises Jerusalem as Israel's capital, overturning decades of official US policy. ... Mr Trump described the move as "a long overdue step" to advance the Middle East peace process.

I think that he might even be right if this unites everybody against The USA and Israel - but I think that Trump is just pitching for votes in ( Missouri ? ) and damn everybody else - ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking around for some hope after Trump trashed Jerusalem ...

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/hundreds-of-young-jews-and-palestinians-call-for-boycott-of-birthright-israel-in-nyc/

Hundreds of young Jews and Palestinians call for boycott of " Birthright Israel " in NYC

04 December 2017 Press Release/Student Voices

" ... While young Palestinians spoke of the injustices of being denied the right to return to their homeland, young JVP members symbolically returned Birthright plane tickets to Israel, lit Hannukah candles, and rededicated themselves to strong Jewish identities founded upon solidarity and justice, not occupation and apartheid. ... "
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