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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:10 am    Post subject: We are white! We are white! We are fuggin' dynamite! Reply with quote

The time was when Jo Cox - so briefly MP for Batley and Spen - would have been seen as a nice person, even a bit of a hero for advocating giving Syrian child refugees new homes in Britain. She would have been seen in the same light as the guy whose obituary was recently in the Guardian, the one who arranged the kindertransport.

But in the hysterical atmosphere whipped up in the EU referendum campaign, she was perceived instead as a traitor. It's similar to how 'so-called white people' who supported civil rights in the 50s were smeared as 'niggah-lovers.'

Britain First, a splinter group of the BNP, particularly instigated hatred of white left wing MPS. But now, Paul Golding of Britain First has tried to distance the organisation from this savage murder. He says the perpetrator should be strung up from the nearest lamp post.

'Tommy' Mair is appearing in court today charged with murder and other crimes, even though it is Saturday. The police have found Nazi regalia and literature in his house. He formerly subscribed to an American Nazi organisation, the National Alliance.

He had much more recent 'literature' produced by the Springbok Club, a far right and pro- apartheid South African group. Interestingly, his friends and neighbours confirmed he had had mental health problems. Only, the previous day, he had sought help for his mental problems.

We often feel we shouldn't feel vengeful when the culprit is mentally ill because they were not responsible for their actions, but it is difficult not to feel very angry indeed. Many constituents have expressed outrage, or just bewilderment.

One thing's for sure. Jo Cox MP was in no way responsible for the lack of mental health funding. She had favoured support for people with mental health issues.

A young man said he had voted for Jo Cox, and now his voice had been taken away from him. When Rosena Alin-Khan won the Tooting constituency for Labour, recently vacated by Sadiq Khan, in the early hours of the morning, she declined to make a political speech. But she did pay tribute to Jo. She said 'our democracy is precious but fragile.'

So was it an attack on democracy? Perhaps so.

But commentators have also remarked on the hatred and savagery of the EU debates, that it showed the 'dark side of democracy.' You might almost agree with Margaret Thatcher that referenda are tools of 'dictators and demagogues.'

I won't go that far. I don't say the referendum shouldn't be held. I'll be up to vote bright and early, but I wish the whole thing was over.

Meanwhile we might muse on whether the coming together of extremist nationalism and mental health issues in Tommy Mair is just coincidental. How do right wing nationalists in general score for mental health? Do they advocate violence?

How seriously do they mean it? Do they have followers who will take them at their word?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: Traitors? Reply with quote

Thomas Mair has just given his name as 'Death to Traitors, Freedom for Britain' to the magistrates' court. So there's no remorse there then. He's barking. Or should I say he's a life long, unreconstructed supporter of British independence?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:01 pm    Post subject: Patriotism Not Enough? Reply with quote

Today I had my first hot flush. My fertile years are juddering to their final pit stop. No doubt my biological existence will soon bite the dust too.

As Dafydd ap Gwilym said, 'the first hot flush is the knock of death.' This helps me take Embarassed a more detached, timeless, matriarchal approach to anglicised Abergavenny.

I'll soon have an opportunity to speak the language of heaven all the time, if I am not turned back by border controls. I may not even know if no one speaks it anymore on earth.

I had thought it possible to endorse a kind of nationalism where you just made it clear you weren't going to be pushed around, but you didn't aspire to be better than anyone else, just no worse.

Was I wrong? Is nationalism - or even patriotism - a silly cock crowing on its own dunghill?'

It doesn't seem to have done Jac a hell of a lot of good, as by his own account , he hates just about everyone including most other Welsh nationalists. This must be really bad for his blood pressure.

He's just like William Rufus who said he hated priests, peasants and women. That must have accounted for 98% of the people then alive.

Edith Cavell said that patriotism is not enough. She thought she should have hatred or bitterness to none.

It's not always bad. But it's certainly not enough.

We've seen manifestations of ugly nationalism in the last few weeks that we would once not have thought possible in this country. It's what Phil Parry calls the 'us and them' mentality which rarely leads to anything good and has now unleashed weird atavistic hatreds.

It's come to the stage that we hate foreigners so much that we're prepared to damage ourselves rather than welcome them in.

I'm old fashioned enough to be embarrassed by the motif released on what would have been Jo Cox's 42nd birthday, 'love-like-Jo.' We didn't bandy words like love around when we were kids. It's the ultimate four letter word.

I suppose what they have in mind is what the Greeks called 'agape', a basic goodwill towards people in general. Jo's widower Brendan Cox urged us to 'fight against the hatred' that killed her.

He said, 'Hatred has no creed, race or religion. It is poisonous.'

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:56 am    Post subject: Hope? Reply with quote

I saw a notice in a garden in Pontypool yesterday, 'We Want Our Country Back.' It looked a bit paranoid and uncalled for in relation to the EU.

On the morning of the EU referendum, it's so close it looks as if every vote will count. It's really worrying that we might leave. We need the subsidies. It'll be disastrous economically if we do go. This is not to say that we should actually join the Euro.

And in view of recent events it will look like a victory for bigotry and hatred if we leave. There are genuine criticisms that can be made of the EU, but the overwhelming arguments are in favour of remaining.

A friend told me he would vote to leave. ''Why?'' I asked. ''I hate the French! That's what they're for!'', he replied. He said it jokingly but he did also mean it. That just about sums up the 'Leave' side.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:47 am    Post subject: What have we done? Reply with quote

Oh no! What have we done? What have we done? We're not going to love like Jo. We're going to hate like Jac! Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In ye olden dayes, Nationalism and indeed Capitalism itself were Revolutionary ideologies that opposed Feudalism.

French REV, most of the National Assembly were lawyers and bankers. Imagine that, the days when the Bourgeoisie were the Revolutionary Class.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:50 pm    Post subject: niggly Nansi Reply with quote

I intended to put a post here commenting on the amusingness of Mortiz's literary allusions and then remarking that Nansi of Clwb Clonc notoriety whom I had mentioned above had been even worse than I had noticed at the time. We knew that the Eisteddfod was coming to Abergavenny this year.

I had remarked hopefully at Clwb Clonc that if we volunteered to work on the Maes we might be able to get in for free. Nansi trampled all over me again, saying it would be £20 a day for a ticket even if we did volunteer. Again, she was childishly belligerent and domineering.

But for all I knew, she was factually correct. I have been working on the Maes, and each day a free ticket was waiting for me! So Nansi was either knowingly lying or didn't know what she was talking about.

Of course we can all be incompetent. I've shown my incompetence by putting the post called 'Numpty Nansi' as a separate thread by mistake. See the 'Numpty Nansi' thread for the thrilling details.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:55 pm    Post subject: paper tiger Reply with quote

While I was in the hairdressers in Newport today, the person next to me told us that two people - he thought they were in their early 20s - had been stabbed to death near their work place in Queen Steet, Cardiff this morning. I immediately started trying to stave of panic. That is where my eldest son works, and he is in that age range.

He was not involved but it looks as if he moved in the same circles and knew of the victims, if he did not know them to speak to. It is horrible to hear about what happened to them, but I'd like to focus on something else that was disturbing.

The story immediately went round that the couple had been the victims of a terrorist attack. This wasn't true. The person arrested was known to them, and, if guilty, can be assumed to have had a personal grudge.

Perhaps, it is understandable, even reasonable that people feared this in today's world. It is not necessary to impute it to bigotry.

But what about the instant rumour that the people now referred to by the police as 'the homeless community' were to blame? That is disturbing.

Again, we see an impulse to smear people who are already unlucky and marginalised. When people ,who think like Jac, try to whip up hatred or even a lynch mob against pensioners, Serbs, amputees, Mormons, English neighbours or even the homeless, always remember the alleged threat the targeted people pose to society, is almost certainly imaginary.

The loud mouths today were conjuring up a paper tiger. Homeless people are like everyone else. They just don't have homes. As Phil Parry said, the 'us and them' mentality rarely leads to anything good.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: mi welais Jac y raca Reply with quote

Jac o' the North welcomes Brexit which he hopes will be followed by Wexit. He notes that people who voted Brexit felt disenfrancised.

That may be how they felt, but they obvioulsy weren't disenfranchised in the literal sense. They were able to get out and vote.

It's hard to see how Brexit can be followed by Wexit. Leanne Wood noted on Question Time last week that Theresa May said she was going to consult the devolved assemblies about Brexit, but she hasn't done it.

They haven't heard anything, not a dicky bird. A woman in the audience said that in view of ourselves being constantly ignored by Westmisnter, it was time to have a grown up debate about Welsh independence.

It would be, but it would be much easier for Wales to be free and independent as a member state of the EU. What would happen to the economy outside it?

Somebody has stated that it's time for all those Celtic parts of the UK who do not want Brexit, to stand up to England. He mentioned Northern Ireland and Scotland and even Cornwall, but he did not mention Wales. He obviously thought we had thrown in our lot with England.

Hugo Rifkind was on the panel of Question Time. He said he could not understand why Wales had voted to leave the EU. Leanne Wood could not understand it either.

Wales had more subsidies from Europe than any other UK country. We had more out of Europe than we were putting back. We needed it more.

Gwyndaf, the 'oracle' of our Welsh group in Cwmbran shook his head as he concluded that people must be 'dwp'. This was mutated from 'twp', stupid.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something that I have been ruminating about are those millions each week which the European Conspiracy was deviously accepting from us in return for giving us representatives in the European Parliament in order to decide how to spend it ... what I would like to hear about is what is going to be done about the billions each week which are being openly accepted by those commendable tax havens which offer us no political representation nor even any knowledge about what is done with this money taken out of our economy.

This episode of The Long View is on at the moment : Brexit c1570 ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08k1w6g

( decided to drop a line to tomorrow's Radio 4 breakfast programme.)

" Today " will be discussing " Brexit " which supposedly will stop foreign countries taking our money in exchange for our having political representation in order to decide how to spend it. Could you contrast this with the foreign countries which as tax havens take much more of our money without offering us any political influence at all - and certainly no influence over how it is spent ?

Yours Sincerely,

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject: st Reply with quote

I feel sad. Nicola Sturgeon has just signed a request for a second indedendence referendum in Scotland. There are talks of Northen Ireland being united with the republic of Ireland.

And what's happening for us? Nothing because we voted for Brexit, although with a lower percentage than in England.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you know I think that political systems should reflect the human relationships which the laws which they produce are intended to regulate. The Nationalist Republican project is fair enough provided that the government which it produces is about local relationships : in fact it makes more sense for Communism to be carried to its logical conclusion and for each commune to be the size of a village or town such that the commune regulates such things as delivering the milk, burying the dead and mending the potholes - but Communism is not a good political doctrine for the purposes of creating international trading systems which are built upon the innovations of individuals in contracting private relationships : hence Liberalism is the political ideology best suited for enabling markets ... On the other hand market forces typically result in severe inequalities so their impact across a number of communes is best addressed by Socialism - but then again the specialist knowledge involved in the division of labour suggests to me that Fascism - or at least old fashioned Corporatism which is the bottom end of that spectrum - is the enabling ideology for that issue. Likewise Conservativism can act as the brake and Anarchism the accelerator of innovations in the political system.

Naturally I think that Wales should now leave The United Kingdom and rejoin The Cosmos : that may sound daft but actually this is about our creating a political system founded upon fundamental eternal realities.

Where do you think that Jac'o'The North stands re eternal realities?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:36 am    Post subject: au 'voir, auf wiedersehen, goodbye Reply with quote

I suppose we are always in the cosmos and in a specific galaxy ie the Milky Way. We can't tell the Milky Way to go and feck itself - well, we could say it, but it wouldn't have any effect.

Some ideologial Communists think a money economy is wrong in principle so they don't think we should be in a trading partnership at all. But they're going to have to live with capitalism anyway, just on less favourable terms.

Most pro-Brexit voters are disgruntled social conservatives. Since you asked, I can see that Jac o' the North has the kind of right wing nationalist mentality that can be found all over Europe and beyond, and it is only incidentally Welsh.

When I made the mistake of thinking it might be worthwhile to remonstrate with him about his nauseating attitude to disabled people, I didn't have his measure. I thought he might be operating in the realm of reality apart from that.

But this is not the case. He is an elderly individual who opposes state support for the old; he had an article callled 'Who is Counting the Cost?' on this subject. Yes, he does collect his pension.

He is a paranoid and deluded individual who makes up his own conspiracy theories, notably about Stephen Kinnock who was particulary concerned as he had shared an office with Jo Cox.

Unfortunately, one of these conspiracy theories was taken up by the Daily Mail which took it seriously. Somebody even said it must be true because 'there is no smoke without fire.'

This cliche is not true but it's something a friend of mine with paranoid psychosis often says. It would be truer to say, 'a lie can get around the world before the truth has got its boots on.'

Stephen Kinnock has stated that Jac o' the North has spread a number of 'weird' conspiracy theories about himself and his parents. He mostly did not dignify them with a response but he had to on this occasion as it contained a specific untrue accusation.

Jac o' the North also thinks the Bilingo bilingual policy in schools is a plot by M15. When someone quite kindly said, 'Let's not get carried away with paranoia, Jac' or words to that effect, he replied 'What do you think M15 is for? Helping old ladies across the road?'

It looks as if Jac is an unguided missile who is not much of a threat to society as a whole but is to certain individuals. Phil Parry often spoke of how journalism lecturers when he was a student, emphasised the importance of checking your facts.

So I suppose he knows what he's talking about when he says that some of Jac o' the North's victims have to live under 24 hour police protection. I don't think Jac has threatened them physically. But he's made allegations on his blog, and some of his more impressionalbe followers have been inspired to violence or to threaten it.

The victims will mostly be people whom Jac sees as insufficiently Welsh or not living up to his idea of what a Welsh person should be.

When he asks 'Is Anyone Counting the Cost?' of pensions, he is blithely unaware that he is probably the most expensive pensioner in Wales. The police, a solicitor Nigel Jones, and - who knows how many other people? - have a full time job in trying to prevent his causing mayhem.

Some might think it would be cheaper to close down his blog or take him to court but that is not how they see it. His attitude to pensioners is not really very Welsh.

Some people will say it was Asquith not Lloyd George who brought in old age pensions, and that the idea came from Bismarck. I don't know about that. Well into our lifetimes, people spoke of 'going on the Lloyd George.'

It's very interesting what Phil Parry has revealed, considering that when I told Jac what I didn't like in his nauseating attack on Paralympians - at his own specific request - he accused me of obsessively persecuting him.

I was not doing that but it looks as if he was judging me by himself. He assumes people are as nasty as himself, and that is why he is so paranoid. He also said nastily that whatever disability I claimed to have, I obvoiusly had another one, ie obsessively persecuting people online.

If that is a disability, it is one Jac obviously has. In his own view, he is both old and disabled, and therefore an untermensch unworthy of having any rights. When he comes to power, he will have to send himself off to the gas chamber.

In a pretty crazy response to John Tyler and myself he said the government was hiding behind the maimed and disabled ie Paralympic athletes. He couldn't imagine that Paralympians might be self motivated.

This is obviouly a delusion. Thanks to the Son of Atos, many promising Paralympian athletes have had to give up their aspirations. The government hates cripples even more than he does. He couldn't have been more wrong.

Finally, when he invited me to tell him what I disliked about his anti-cripple outburst, he told me that he was big and hard, and could take any amount of criticism.

This turned out not to be true. When I took him at his word, he behaved in a cowardly and babyish way, going to pieces. As he doesn't even know himself very well, his followers are sadly mistaken in taking his conspiracy theories about other people as shrewd insights.

His hatred of Europe is just the reflexive instinct of a bigot. It's not based on intellectual thought.

Both Tim Saunders and I were misled in thinking he might be a commentator worth engaging with. I think Alwyn ap Huw has something to answer for here in accepting him as a follower and giving him legitimacy. What do you think you are playing at, Alwyn?

Jac is not a serious political figure although he has much in common with Donald Trump. He is a confused rabble rouser who expresses his incoherent grievances in politicised language.

If I had to guess what his problem really is, I would probably say he was very badly brought up, drinks too much and hasn't had enough sex.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS BLOG ? = http://jacothenorth.net/blog/

" ... A few days ago I tweeted about the mother of the man who killed people outside Westminster last Wednesday, linking to a BBC report that she lives in Carmarthenshire. I received a response from ‘Cymroewrop’ accusing me of making assumptions about the man’s cushion-making, good-lifer mother. ... "

You're surely not " Cymroewrop " retweeted are you Marianne ? = https://twitter.com/cymroewrop

Cymroewrop‏ @cymroewrop 20h20 hours ago
Cymroewrop Retweeted Jac o' the North
Worth a read.Those who want independence for Wales have to put aside any differences.Westminster & toothless devolution our main problems
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject: cymru in europe Reply with quote

I didn't know about the latest controversy. Jac may or may not have been offensive to Mrs Ajao.

It looks as if he was making a point that appears perfectly lucid to himself, but is of no interest to anyone else. If I had to hazard a guess, it might be about how everyone is made welcome in Wales except the Welsh.

I've read of Syrian refugees in Wales who are making good progress with learning Welsh. Remember they haven't been exposed to anti-Welsh feeling as UK residents have. They don't feel they are too good to go native.

If Jac disapproves of Syrians and people of whatever nationality Mrs Ajao is , living here because they are foreign, even if they do speak Welsh, that is just racism which is not even culturally based. It's about blood and soil.


I didn't write the tweet myself but I agree that Jac is so divisive he might as well be working for British intelligence. I don't think he is though.

He is the worst enemy Welsh nationalism has ever had, because he is giving it such a bad name.

It's not deliberate. He's just an idiot.

Nationalism is as nationalism does. Recently, it has such a bad image, I could not call myself a nationalist now.

I would vote for Welsh independence in a referendum, but I think we'd be much better off as an independent country in Europe.

Yes, we can apply to join, but will we be welcome after a majority of Welsh voters opted for Brexit?

The only circumstances in which I would not vote for Welsh independence would be if Jac was standing for dictator!

I don't think it's going to happen. He's a gas bag, not a doer.

Bur it doesn't mean he's not dangerous. The police are on a constant look out for gas explosions.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject: schwarzenegger Reply with quote

When Jac said that a disabled athlete was an oxymoron, he was displaying serious thinking problems, just as when Jim Davidson said a BBC programme couldn't investigate the BBC about child abuse, or when a certain fool says you can't celebrate your birthday on a day other than the birthday itself. It doesn't make sense.

Ironically, it may be a symptom of a cognitive disability. But I'm not saying, 'Welcome on board, Jac!'

This is just a lead to a Jac like character whose name has been deleted on internet outlets. This one objected to the intellectually challenged being allowed to compete in their own Olympics as they are not perfect either.

The troll said:

'The Olympics are for the best athletes in the world to determine who is the best.Having retards compete is the opposite!'

Arnold Schwarzenegger replied:

'As evil and stupid as this commet is, I'm not going to delete it or ban you (yet) because this may be a teachable moment.

'You have two possible paths ahead. Right now, I guarantee you that these athletes have more courage, compassion, brains and skill - actually more of every possible human quality than you.

So take their path - you could learn form them, try to challenge yourself, to give back, to add something to the world or you can stay on your path, and keep being a sad pitiful internet troll who adds nothing to the world but mocks anyone who does out of small minded jealousy.

I know that all you really want is attention, so let me be clear. If you choose to keep going this way, no one will remember you.'


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:30 am    Post subject: mabinogion Reply with quote

mymabinogion.blogspot.co.uk./2012/09/i-think-that-comment-by-marianne-hancock.html
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject: damn Reply with quote

Damn, I can't put up a working link to my comment which John Tyler elevated to a site of its own and which Jac desecrated by putting a really unhinged remark on it. But you can find it if you just type the words 'Marianne Hancock' and 'Jac' into the Google search system.

John Tyler was inspired to do some research on disablism after reading my comment. Jac wanted to hear from me too. I really thought as Arnold Shwarzenegger did, that it might be a 'teachable moment.'

Perhaps it was for Schwarzenegger's unpleasant troll, at least if they were young and basically sane. I now know from expereince that you can't teach Jac anything.As Sam Harris would say, you can't perform an exorcism.

After I received the infantile, accusatory and sadistic reply from Jac, my partner said, ''Perhaps he's learnt a valuable lesson from this anyway.'' I said, ''Well, he obviously hasn't.''

The fact is Jac doesn't understand what you say. He interprets it as meaning something totally different. He accused Tim Saunders of misrepresenting what he said, when it was he who had misrepresented Tim.

The poor clot thinks that amputees are a danger to society. He can't see that he is a danger to society. He might not lack limbs, but he lacks all of the qualities a human being needs to be fit to live alone in the community.

I wonder how he would react if one of his victims who has to live under 24 hour police protection, sent him the infantile plea he sent me about how I had made him feel, culminating in the pathetic plea, 'Pease leave me alone!'


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: jacked up Reply with quote

I must just add an update. I have just surfed 'Wales Politico.' It included an excerpt from a rant by Jac about Jacques Protic and 'other swivel eyed obsessives.' This is at least the third time, the word 'obsessive' has spilled out of Jac's insult hamper. I leave you to consider what it says about him.

One contributor to the 'Jac o' the North' site, remarked politely and bravely, 'If you don't mind my saying so, you do sound quite paranoid.'

Wales Politico seemed to be taking Jac seriously when he kicked off about Stephen Kinnock. I was struck by a comment from someone who called herself Wini Fini Hadog after a character in a Kate Roberts novel.

Wini Fini said, 'Perhas you haven't noticed yet that Jac o' the North is a paranoid fantasist. If he is right this time, it is because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.'

In fact he isn't even right this time.

Hallelujah! At least two people other than myself have noticed that Jac is paranoid and living in a fantasy world.

Why other people are stupid enough to let themselves be manipulated by him, God knows. I implore anyone who is thinking of going out and tampering with Jacques Protic's car to consider where it's going to get them.

It's only going to lead them to a prison cell. Do you think Jac's going to come and visit you? If he did, would you feel like giving him a warm welcome?


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