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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: oggy bloggy ogwr Reply with quote

A site called Oggy Bloggy Ogwr leapt to Jac's defence in 2016 when at last, it looked as if he was going to be taken to court for defaming a Pembrokeshire housing association and its subsidiary organisations. The site master takes Jac seriously as an interesting 'investigative' blogger.

My impression is that the site master is a nice person who is sticking up for the wrong person out of naivity. The fact is that Jac has outpourings of what one disaffected reader quoted by Phil Parry calls 'poisonous bile.' Anyone can become the target.

He has made all sorts of wild accusations about randomly chosen people in the public eye, and also a variety of organisations. It's likely that this is a manifestation of a troubled psyche, and that the people and bodies targeted have done nothing wrong at all.

If all those who read his blog were aware of that, he would do little harm. It's disturbing that even nice people are now being manipulated into seeing him as some kind of martyr.

The site master acknowledges they don't really know if Jac has libelled the housing association or not, but asks plainitvely 'Is Jac the only bad man here?'

Jac is certainly a hateful and dangerous man. Whether he is bad is a question for a philosopher or a psychiatrist. It's like asking if the Yorkshire Ripper was mad or bad.

I don't think Jac is a witting wrongdoer as he probably believes what he says, himself. But that the people at the housing association have done whatever he's accused them of, is extremely unlikely.

It might actually be quite a good thing if Jac is taken to court at last. If psychiatric tests were demanded, the court could determine if he is responsible for his actions.

It will then be established if he should be treated as a criminal or a patient. Because of the savage attacks by the state on disabled people, Jac will probably not be assigned a community psychiatric nurse or care worker.

That's tragic. It would be a boon to the public, if he had one. It should have happened years ago.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: the shearer Reply with quote

Y Cneifwr - I thought he was going to close down his blog?- also supported Jac against the housing assoication, as if he was wielding the sword of truth as Jonathan Aitken would say. Jac himself made a comment underneath, saying he looked forward to answering critical content on his blog.

If that had really been true, he would have changed a lot since he deleted a post from me that made the outrageous claim that cripples are human. Of course, he hasn't really changed at all.

'Granville' posted underneath:'You're a hypocrite, Jac o' the North! You said you welcome critical comment but you deleted a critical contribution from me, while leaving those that pat you on the back. You just can't take criticism can you?'

Jac had a condescending reply which started, 'Calm down, Granville'. I couldn't be bothered to read the rest of it.

Jac is not exactly a hypocrite in my view, although he does behave like one. It seems to me that a hypocrite would be aware of the contradictions in their behaviour, but Jac has no self knowledge. He doesn't know why he behaves as he does.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject: sovereign Reply with quote

A site called 'Sovereign Wales' has a tag, 'Jac o' the North Housing in Wales.' Apart from this detached tag, I don't think it referenced Jac at all. Its style was sober and serious if a bit over anxious, hyper vigilant in fact.

It wanted investigations into all sorts of things including health risks caused to children by nuclear power sites. That might be quite sensible. But it also complained about the alleged risks of MMR which it really thinks might cause autism.

It also reproduced a video about how 'our children are totally vaxxed.' It might have been sensible to worry about MMR in the early years of the century when the facts were not in. But we now have sufficeint information that MMR is not linked to autism.

It's also disturbing that the site gave the impression that vaccines in general are bad. There were also allusions to 'common purpose.' We may be straying into deep conspiracy theory territory here.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:21 pm    Post subject: scandal Reply with quote

In pursuit of knowledge about the latest scandal, I briefly clicked on Jac's blog, something I once said I'd never do again. And I have to give him some credit.

When Dafydd surfed his site, he was disappointed to find that it was long winded and boring. Jac had managed the rare feat of being a bore and a black sheep at the same time.

I have to say he's spruced up his style. It's much punchier, much easier to read.

And in a way, it's funny, for instance when he refers to some named individual as a 'twat' for no obvious reason. This is vulgar abuse, not defamation and it is not actionable.

But I think I was laughing at Jac, not with him. Whether he's libelled the Pembrokeshire housing association I don't know yet. But it's almost certain that he has, as that is what he does with just about everyone he mentions.

He has a negative attitude to most regeneration schemes. He just takes it for granted they're bad. To say the least, he has paranoid ideation.

He also makes savage attacks on just about everyone. This is a terrible policy for a person who is fearful that everyone is out to get him and who also 'can't take criticism.'

With this kind of behaviour, he is inviting criticism, and he's also making it inevitable that some people will hate his guts, and will indeed have it in for him.

It's not possible to prevent him behaving like this, except perhaps by brute force. It is a psychological fact that those who are most critical of others, are the least able to take it when criticism is reflected back at themselves.

That's just a fact of life. It would be good if the sting and the libellous content could be removed from Jac's site without affecting the unintentional funniness. But it's often the ludicrous insults that make it so funny.

Just because he's comical, don't make the mistake of developing a soft spot for Jac. If he finds out who you are, you'll be the next one on his hit list. He's funny but lethal.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: jj Reply with quote

To give an example of Jac's hilarious MO, he said 'I don't think anyone has complained about [a certain public body] yet, so I decided to do it.'

It's not that he'd had bad service or that anyone else had. No, it was precisely because there had been no complaints, that he thought complaining was well overdue!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject: tennis Reply with quote

I saw on TV yesterday a cripple in a wheelchair playing tennis with a 'normal' person. It was only as recently as the 80s that I read a piece in the papers about a teenage girl being banned from public tennis courts for being disabled, and she had only a slight limp.

Today, I saw a person in a wheelchair at the Eisteddfod in Ynys Mon. Jac will think the world is coming to an end. Only recently, he was narking about the housing association taking him to court. He said that at least it was only for defamation not deformation.

Of course it's much worse to have a distorted limb that to be a mentally disordered serial fantasist and trouble maker. William Shakespeare had another opinion. He said, 'None can be called deformed but the unkind.' But in my view, it's not useful to use the word 'deformity' as an insult at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:38 am    Post subject: omg Reply with quote

Over at Llanelli Online, somebody has Jac's measure at last. Their inbox has been jammed with accusations from Jac about the connections between different people at Cardiff Bay.

The editor noted that Jac looks nothing like the avatar we see on his blog. He is much more sinister. The editor notes that he once dined with Jac while several other men beat the shite out of each other.

He notes sardonically that Roger Moore might have shuffled off this mortal coil but the writers of thrillers are still with us. He gives a link to Jac's site but won't endorse anything on it. When he reads the wild allegations made by Jac, he can't work out if he is completely bonkers or a genius.

He says, 'We leave that to you, dear readers.' When I first told Dafydd about the problems I'd had with Jac, Dafydd said slowly and patiently - as you do with a slow learner - ''Jac o' the North is a loony. That's why he puts up these posts.''

As a proponent of disability rights, I'm not endorsing the stigmatising language. And I am not a psychologist. But I do think that Jac has serious mental health problems.

The tragedy is that he causes so many problems for other innocent people. You don't have to be mentally ill to suffer from mental illness. A good number of people are suffering at second hand from Jac's mental health problems.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject: h Reply with quote

I've followed the link. Jac searches for muck and corruption in the property development world. He doesn't have to have a strong case or any evidence at all to begin with.

It sounds as if he finds Poles and Jews - or should I say 'Israeli crooks'? - sinister. I found out coincidentally that he has at least one grown up child and is also a granfather. OMG! Does he currently have a wife? How does she put up with him?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF IT IS CORRUPTION IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD POST ME A LINK PLEASE !
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: rider Reply with quote

I'm not saying there is no corruption in the building trade. Far from it; it appears to be endemic. A virtuous builder who can find? His price is far above rubies..

But what we have here is Jac taking the name of a person in the public eye, it might be in connection with a housing association, and putting it through the computer search system until he finds what looks to him like a link, be it ever so tenuous, imaginary or irrelevant, to someone with a Polish or Jewish surname. That is proof positive of infamy in Jac's idiosyncratic world view.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: not only jac Reply with quote

It is entirely consistent with what we know of Jac that he has negative feelings for East Europeans and, of course, Jews. There is a continuing argument online about whether Welsh nationalists in the past also had anti-Semitic leanings, and whether Plaid Cymru ever had any links with 'Action Francaise.'

O M Edwards, for instance, has been mentioned as an anti-Semite, I don't know with what justice. It is only fair to note that people can change. So one or two Welsh nationalists may have expressed the unthinking anti-Semitism that was once ubiquitous in European culture, but were shocked into examining their mindlessness by Nazi atrocities, and put it all firmly behind them.

Tim Evans was angered and somewhat upset by racist attitudes to immigrants expressed by Welsh nationalists at the Llanelli Democide and Railway Strike Centenary Event. I know Jac was present. I don't know if he was one of the culprits.

At Cilmeri that December, one of the people who had been on the march, rose to his feet in the Prince Llewelyn pub later, and began to sing about Jews and Auschwitz in a celebratory, triumphalist way.

I was surprised into exclaiming to Dafydd, ''Oh, if they're going to sing this racist shit, we'll have to go!'' We did.

Jac was probably present, but he was definitely not the culprit this time. The person in question became known to us as 'Bogbrush' in honour of his hairstyle. Strangely enough, he had also been on the Llanelli march, and was seen holding a red flag and giving a clenched fist salute!

A policewoman I discussed it with later, agreed with me about how surprising this was. I discussed the incident with the police but was too soft to make a complaint. I'm a pussy cat.

Strangely enough someone who has appeared on this site under the pseudonym 'Wayne Flamenco', was in favour of persuing Bogbrush with all the force of the law. He spoke entusiastically about 'nailing shit.'

It's just as well for Wayne Flamenco that I'm not as keen as he thinks I should be, on nailing shit. Otherwise he'd have faced questioning from the police about the time he nearly catapulted Dai and me down a staircase with several badly aimed punches.

I know Dai thinks the Bogbrush incident may have been intended for himself. After all, he was once stoned and left bleeding outside a synagogue by obnoxious kids. He had no connection to the synagogue. He was just walking past it, but combined with his appearance, it was enough to set them off.

I don't really know if Bogbrush was getting at Dai as I can't read the former's mind. But it is possible. It's always easier to believe in something that has happened twice.
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