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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: A Iatrogenic Disaster Reply with quote

I don't know if I've done anything admirable. It was my neighbour who made me less of a bigot than most people.

But further research shows that I didn't fully appreciate the situation. I was just thinking of social exclusion as his problem. I didn't realise that some people were much worse off than my friend of fond memory.

When Louise Medus was born affected by thalidomide, her father nearly fainted with shock. He blurted out, ''Surely, you're not going to allow a child in this state to live?''

I'm inclined to say that his reaction was disgraceful. It was, but, unlike myself, he had never had a chance to get used to people with seal limb deformities. In those days, they were 'unimaginable.'

Some doctors , in their ignorance, smothered these babies or left them in cold rooms to die. Should we say this was to their eternal shame? Or should we make allowances for these wretched homicides because they knew no better?

Louise's father soon pulled himself together and became ashamed of his initial reaction. He was filled with remorse and protectiveness, and became quite a hero in the fight against Distillers.

Apparently, this was spearheaded by Harold Evans of the Sunday Times who also did much to overturn Timothy Evans' conviction.

But Louise's parents listened to doctors who told them it would be in her best interests to be put in an institution. She only had extended holidays at her parents' home, and never bonded with them. She has bonded with her own children.

An 18 year old new mother was pushing her new baby in a pram down the street for the first time. A woman came up to coo, ''Oh, what a lovely baby!''

She pulled back the blanket and saw that the baby girl had thalidomide related deformities. She shrieked, ''Errhh, it's a freak!'', and ran screaming down the street.

That baby grew up and now lives in Cardiff where she graduated in psychology. Rosie Moriarty-Simmonds remembers being denied entry to night clubs on the pretext that she was a 'fire hazard.'

In reality, night clubs are about the body beautiful. Dancers might be 'upset' by deformed bodies. Rosie advised the TV series, 'Call the Midwife', on a story line about thalidomide in January this year.

I always focus on disability discrimination as if that was the only thing that mattered. My feeling was that Gawaine, for instance, had a perfectly acceptable quality of life except for that.

But he was not as badly afflicted as some. This story is much grimmer than I could have imagined.

Even when these babies were allowed to live, half died within the year. They were too deformed to survive.

Is it not appropriate that the government of the reunited Germany should take some responsibility? In cases of this severity, there is a claim for involuntary manslaughter.

In terms of numbers, it is the worst peacetime disaster of the last century, worse than Chernobyl, worse than the Titanic, worse than 9/11.

The parents are victims too. The mothers, typically, are racked with guilt for taking the so-called wonder drug, although they meant no harm.

The stress has led to divorce, suicides and clinical depression. It was all unnecessary.

Campaigners hope for a landmark decision, analogous to the Hillsborough verdict. I would say if disasters of the 60s can be adjudicated now, why should it be too late for Aberfan? It is a yet more flagrant case of involuntary manslaughter.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:48 pm    Post subject: mengele Reply with quote

I have just read that it may be easier for the Thalidomide survivors to get compensation from the German government because of interesting information that has just come to light. Thalidomide was first patented in West Germany in the mid 50s. But it had not just been developed as we previously thought.

It comes from the Nazi era. It had been manufactured in the hope of combating the effects of nerve gas in soldiers. It was tested on human guinea pigs as part of the sadistic and mostly worthless 'medical experiments' which were such a feature in death camps.

Perhaps Dr Mengele was in overall control. It seems appropriate here to quote a tag from Nazi loyalists: 'For all this, we thank the Fuhrer'!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:02 pm    Post subject: alison lapper pregnant Reply with quote

When the sculpture of 'Alison Lapper Pregnant' was displayed in Trafalgar Square. it created a controversy that was even discussed on 'Question Time.'Two women stood next to Alison Lapper in the queue in a post office, when she was visibly pregnant.

They loudly discussed what a disgrace it was. The over burdened tax payer would have to support her and her child. It was beyond their comprehension that she might work for a living.

Before the resignation of IDS, Alison Lapper spoke about her fears. Her life might become insupportable after the benefits, on which she depended, were abolished.

She said, ''Disabled people are looked on as a drain on society.'' She was dead right.

An online newspaper told us Isis had issued a fatwa against disabled children.Most of the comments on the message board were suitably disgusted.

One mammal called Michelle said she hated Islam but Isis was right about this. Disabled children were a financial drain on society. Only guilt ridden parents and 'lefty morons' would disagree.

Amusingly, other people have accused liberals and lefties of being eugenicists, and have just about accused them of putting Isis up to it.

A 'thoughtful' person remarked, 'I tend to agree with you, Michelle', but this was on the grounds that the kids were allegedly suffering. She then had an intellectual rumination on whether they should be smothered or given lethal injections.

A mother spoke with some feeling on how her autistic son had been written off as unworthy of life as a child. He now had a PhD. She called Michelle and her fan, 'hard faced morons.'

The 'thoughtful' moron replied that that was different. He son was only autistic. It's not as if he was physically deformed. She was blithely indifferent to her own ignorance.

But Dodo and Sitoshi-San are both strongly in favour of killing cripples, and they have both 'worked with these people' as Dodo would say. Doesn't that make them experts?

Dodo's friend Nita stood up for him when I complained about his attitude. She thought he had professional experience, and must be right.

Incidentally, Dodo has much to say about how it would save tax payers money to kill disabled children, but that was not what he said about Myra Hindley. He felt very sympathetic to her, and thought she deserved clemency. After all, she had only done what he would like to do ie kill defenceless children.

You might think that working with disabled children would help you to see their humanity not blind you to it. This is not always the case.

If the institution is extremely unenlightened and, as it were, hierarchical, the staff's self esteem may depend on seeing themselves as superior to their charges. An adult who had worked in Alison Lapper's residential place, admitted to her later that 'we didn't see you as real children.'
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:26 pm    Post subject: Dotheboys Hall Reply with quote

In the 60s, adults who had crippling accidents were surprised to find that they had become second class citizens or less. They might be put in residential homes.

The staff were able to order them about. They were no longer supposed to make their own decisions.

It was not until 1970 that disabled children had a right to education, exactly a century after it came in for 'normal' children. Special schools were often harsh places, especially if the staff had it in for you.

A report into a hospital which provided long term care for children with 'long term handicaps' in the late 60s was highly critical. The children's possessions were numbered. The staff made no attempt to play with them or even talk to them if they could help it.

Jenny Morris recounts that in one place, the kids had do go outside at 6 am every day. At night, they weren't allowed sheets or blankets. For half the day, they weren't permitted to speak, so they communicated by paper dart.

They never had their own toys and were forced to eat their own vomit. When a girl's father gave her a doll on her eleventh birthday, she wasn't allowed to keep it.

If the staff took a dislike to a child he was held under water until he turned blue, or in one case, drowned. Victoria Brignell records that in one such place, the children were referred to as 'animals', and allowed only disheveled clothes.

One child with a deformed spine, a heart condition and one lung, was forced to go on long walks while being pushed and shoved by the staff. When I read that in one school the kids were so hungry that they had to eat grass and toothpaste, and that the girls' hair was shaved off, I began to wonder how much these places differed from concentration camps.

Yes, according to Victoria Brignell, disabled children were used as guinea pigs in medical experiments in the UK if less frequently than in the USSR. They were probably nothing like as sadistic as Nazi medical experiments.

One boy recounted that he found it hard to breathe and swallow after contracting polio, but the staff held his nose and shoveled greens down his throat. Parents were sometimes not allowed to visit at all.

In any case, the whole ethos of the places was that neither visiting parents nor staff should connect with the kids or take them seriously as individuals.

It was felt that this was something that should be avoided at all costs. When doctors told parents that their children would be better off in these places, it was no more inaccurate that many doctors' predictions.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject: infanticidal mother Reply with quote

Joanne Hill of Flintshire drowned her daughter Naomi in the bath because she was embarrassed at having an 'imperfect child.' Naomi had been diagnosed with cerebral palsy which may sound serious, but she was only mildly affected.

She was a bit deaf. She could do everything other children did, only a little more slowly.' Her father described her as a bright and funny child. He said she did not suffer at all.

Joanne is thought to have plotted the murder after Naomi's father wouldn't hear of her suggestion that they put Naomi up for adoption.

Denise Robertson on 'This Morning' led the discussion on whether the whole of society had some responsibility for this kind of tragic event. She recounted that when doctors and health visitors discussed a child's disability with a parent, they emphasised the negative.

They always said, ''They'll never be able to do this; they'll never be able to do that.'' But when disabled people have made it, they often look back on these predictions, and comment on how woefully inaccurate they were.

The sad thing is that medical personnel have learnt nothing. When Dudley Moore was born, his mother wanted to kill him. He had slightly unaligned legs and would grow up to have a slight limp - no more and no less.

I know how much harm has been done by the health visitors and community midwives at Albany Surgery in Cardiff, and I don't expect for a second that they are in any way unusual. Parturient women like Dudley Moore's mother need to be helped to get over their infanticidal feelings. They don't need to have them entrenched.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:16 pm    Post subject: Brian Rix Reply with quote

The actor Brian Rix devoted his life to making the world a better place for those with learning disabilities since his daughter Shelley was born with Down's Syndrome in 1951. Doctors told Rix and his wife that they should put Shelley in a home and dismiss her from their thoughts.

They declined this advice. They expected to be able to bring her up at home. Brian Rix was shocked to find that there was no centre for learning disabled children which even made any attempt to stimulate, let alone educate them.

He moved mountains, it appears, but when Shelly died in 2005, he still fretted that he could not have done more for her. He voted against a bill to allow euthanasia in 2006, as he was afraid disabled people would become the unwilling beneficiaries of it.

But he began to believe there was a place for euthanasia when he became seriously ill. He was in constant pain. His body kept him alive when he just wanted to slip peacefully away into oblivion.

Of course assisted dying should be permitted for himself and Diane Pretty, when they really want it and we can be confident it is their own choice. It looks to me as if you will be kept alive if you want to die and vice versa.

It would be difficult to draft a voluntary euthanasia bill which would not be open to abuse. Or maybe it would be impossible. But it has to be better than dysthanasia which is what you usually get in this country.

Brian Rix finally died today. I remember his caustic scorn for Glen Hoddle. Hoddle had marveled at the cosmic significance of his having been given such a great intellect himself, while karmic forces made other people morons.

Rix put what so many of us felt into words. Hoddle had no discernible intellect. He was so stupid that he hadn't even noticed that he was a moron.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A blast from the past, Glen Hoddle, Tory Blur's imam who wrote the fatwah that cripples are punished by Gawd for their sins in their preincarnations. I wonder what happened to him? Did he become Euro-Commissioner or Pope or something?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting posts Marianne - I feel a bit edgy about you opining about specific people's conduct i.e. naming them, but I trust that you know what you are talking about ... Here is something from my student days : a certain lecturer ( I think that I remember his name but I feel that I ought to check it ) was fond of illustrating his lectures with shocking examples to make us remember things e.g. when teaching us ergonomics - usually done with drawings, photos or films of faceless mannikins posed to demonstrate how human beings interact with the built environment ... He was demonstrating that old chestnut the bad design of the western toilets which we sit upon ( where the caecum is bent at an angle ) and eastern toilets where people squat ( where the caecum is straight ) and then announced that he was about to discuss urinals - but then the next slide was a pair of photos of a naked woman projecting her urine forwards and backwards ... Art house stuff but I felt that it was offensive to pull this stunt without warning given the young women amongst his audience ... Perhaps for the present generation of architectural students brought up on Post-Modernist Pornography this does not matter ... But on the other hand this old-fashioned Leftish Rubbish had its merits and another thing he used to shock us was concerned with the interaction between the building, its fixtures, fittings and the movable furniture within it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_factors_and_ergonomics

Another lecture was about the ergonomics of disability and such things usually involve gags about the problems of re-engineering older lifts to have wider doors ( a major headache in Europe in contrast to America and Canada where elevators have always tended to be of a more generous size ) and then the person in a wheelchair enters the lift not only unable to turn around but the door closes behind them and the buttons are all located out of reach and they can not use them to select a floor or even get out and have to just sit there until somebody else comes to use the lift and liberate them. Given that the lifts in The United Kingdom often serve as places of defecation - albeit in the ideal squatting position - this is not at all as funny as it may sound.

The example given was presented as a series of slides : here is the envelope of the long-term stay hospital ward ; here is the repeating pattern of windows and beds and tables ; within a grid of columns that have steel rings affixed to chain the disabled children to for restraint ; it is not all bad - during the day time they are put outside to get fresh air anf sunshine in this enclosure where they can roam about freely biting snd punching each other instead of the staff ; here is the construction of the enclosed exercise area - twelve foot high chain link fencing with barbed-wire on posts with inward leaning arms to prevent them climbing out - the bottom of the chain link is buried in concrete carried three feet underground to stop them burrowing out - their clothes are removed to stop them dirtying themselves when they defacate - the tarmacadam is washed down every so often with the hose which is both turned on them when they have dirtied themselves and also when the older teenage ones attempt to fornicate - or are just huddling together for warmth or cuddling each other for emotional comfort ... See ? ... It was such a well thought out design in terms of construction.

That was a poorly funded institution which the National Health Service had inherited from an earlier age and improved : it was commonly supposed in the 1970s that such scenes belonged to the history books but it contrasts unfavourably with the 19c regime as I understand it in Bedlam where no inmate stayed for more than twelve months. This was an institution for children abandoned because they were too difficilt for their families to look after and it was often the case that did not mean that their families were too poor to spare the resources to do that : I do not whether I can find a reference but The Royal Family did this too in order to conceal the fact that in-breeding across the royal families of Europe had resulted in a high incidence of imbecile children.

Now I wonder if you care to pick up and run away with that one ?

http://www.weirdisland.co.uk/behaviour/conspiracy/nerissa-and-katherine-bowes-lyon-the-queen-s-hidden-cousins.html
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: ding Reply with quote

Perhaps I was sailing close to the wind in mentioning a specific surgery, but I have used psueudonyms for those we know personally. Hoddle was given the sack on this issue and Joanne Hill has been convicted so I don't think they're in a position to sue us for libel. It never occurred to me until just now that Dudley Moore might have been slandering his mother, but she must be long dead, so I don't expect any trouble from her.

Lifts are still a problem in the UK. It is quite different in some continental countries.

Do you remember we discussed the queen's Bowes-Lyon cousins in 'Royal Visits' ? They were the cousins royalty did not visit. Their mother pretended they were dead, and the queen mother expressed surprise on hearing that they were still alive.

It has been stated that, due to inbreeding, the left and right sides of their brains had not joined up. It's also been suggested that they had early onset Huntingdon's Disease. As children, they were classed as imbeciles, which then had a technical meaning and was not just an insult. It wasn't a very helpful or exact diagnosis.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Ali, Glen and Tony Reply with quote

There was something nauseating about how British bombing raids on Iraq deprived a small boy Ali Abbas of his arms, and, after this, the British chose to court positive publicity by bringing the photogenic boy to Britain to give him new arms.

I suppose they expected him to be grateful, but they were putting him in an awful psychological bind. He now couldn't even have the satisfaction of wholeheartedly hating the British.

This was not Tony Blair's finest moment. But you must remember that the Glen Hoddle affair came in early 1999, in the innocent old days before 9/11 when the UK hadn't even become involved in NATO's bombing of Serbia let alone invaded Iraq. Blair was still not that unpopular. He had even brought a shaky peace to Ulster.

Glen Hoddle self destructed by telling a journalist who had been trained in Cardiff that cripples and those suffering any other misfortune were being punished for their sins in a previous life. Of course, people who hold fatuous and offensive opinions don't think they are offensive.

Like Jac o' the North, Hoddle lacked the ability to see that he was saying anything controversial. He was obviously an extremely gullible individual who had fallen for a lot of nonsense about karma and faith healing from snake oil merchants.

He had no insight into his own cognitive and personal inadequacies. He obviously thought he was saying something very profound. It is not just the Hindu, Buddhist or even Jain traditions which purvey this nonsense. You can also find in the New Testament, the query, 'Who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?'

For primitive people such as our remote ancestors and Glen Hoddle, misfortune doesn't just happen. You must either have offended God or been cursed by a witch.

As I said on another thread, it takes a certain amount of maturity to accept that suffering is usually inflicted on the innocent. 'Shit happens' is one of the wisest insights of our age.

The Reverend Lionel Fanthorpe of Cardiff was one of the few people who stuck up for Hoddle. Even Richard Littlejohn was mildly critical of him.

It was touch and go if he would be sacked for bringing English football into disrepute. Some saw it as an irrelevant remark as it was not directly related to football.

The Welsh Paralympian Tanni Grey-Thompson was brought on to a chat show to discuss the case. The producers hoped for fireworks.

She was expected to crucify Hoddle - metaphorically of course - but she was very moderate. David Blunkett is someone I don't find easy to understand. He was forced to attend a residential school for blind boys where the poet David Reed, later an acquaintance of ours, was also a pupil. I understand the headmaster was a 'strictarian' who didn't think blind kids should be encouraged to have academic aspirations.

This didn't stop David Blunkett running a 'red' council in his early days. But because he had made it, in the face of discouragement, he was intolerant of disabled people who were less resilient and resourceful than himself. He was not very sympathetic.

Blunkett congratulated the Cardiff athlete, Colin Jackson, on having succeeded in spite of being Welsh! It would be great if we could get Blunkett to commiserate with Jac o' the North on the handicap of being Welsh.

I suppose Blunkett was so wound up by people constantly congratulating him on having made it in spite of being blind, that he decided to dish out the same condescending shit to randomly chosen victims. Perhaps no one told him that Colin Jackson was also black. Apparently, he has made remarks to the effect that young black men and criminals were synonymous terms.


Blunkett came quite well out of the Hoddle affair. He remarked, ''I must have been a failed England football manager in a previous life.''

There was something a bit invidious about the hearing. After all, if everyone who said something insulting about disabled people, lost their jobs, there would be a massive exodus from the workforce. Would there be anyone left in employment at all?

On the other hand, he was in the public eye, and some poor saps might see him as a role model. I think the hearing would have concluded that they had to get rid of him, when their deliberations were invaded by a group of burly able bodied lorry drivers, chanting, ''We want Hoddle out! Hoddle is a wanker!''

One of the lorry drivers explained that he had disabled friends. So Hoddle was found to have brought English football into disrepute, and he was given the sack.

He never did become Pope or Euro-Commissioner. He is a sad discredited old fart who hasn't been able to live down his indiscretion.

He is sometimes wheeled out to talk about football. But it is only as an act of charity. No one listens. No one takes him seriously.

It is an open secret that Tony Blair wanted him to be sacked, and brought pressure to bear, to ensure this would happen. It is hard now to imagine Tony Blair standing up for civilized values.

People now say Tony Blair is a war criminal. They say he should be hanged.

It is hard now to imagine what a squeaky clean image he had in the final year of the last millennium. We thought he was a 'straight kind of guy.'
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: ding Reply with quote

marianneh wrote:
Perhaps I was sailing close to the wind in mentioning a specific surgery, but I have used psueudonyms for those we know personally. Hoddle was given the sack on this issue and Joanne Hill has been convicted so I don't think they're in a position to sue us for libel. It never occurred to me until just now that Dudley Moore might have been slandering his mother, but she must be long dead, so I don't expect any trouble from her.

Lifts are still a problem in the UK. It is quite different in some continental countries.

Do you remember we discussed the queen's Bowes-Lyon cousins in 'Royal Visits' ? They were the cousins royalty did not visit. Their mother pretended they were dead, and the queen mother expressed surprise on hearing that they were still alive.

It has been stated that, due to inbreeding, the left and right sides of their brains had not joined up. It's also been suggested that they had early onset Huntingdon's Disease. As children, they were classed as imbeciles, which then had a technical meaning and was not just an insult. It wasn't a very helpful or exact diagnosis.

Iolanthe is all about Victoria Caesar's problems finding royal husbands for her vast brood.

George VI married outside the charmed circle of insane chin-less Royals, he settled for Queen Mum who was merely an arch-duchess, BUT she had insane cousins and counted as royal enough.

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Blunkett came quite well out of the Hoddle affair. He remarked, ''I must have been a failed England football manager in a previous life.''

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People now say Tony Blair is a war criminal. They say he should be hanged.

It is hard now to imagine what a squeaky clean image he had in the final year of the last millennium. We thought he was a 'straight kind of guy.'
No. I have seen through the New Labour project ever since Neil Kinnock led the anti-Devolution campaign, lost 3 general elections in a row and was rewarded with being made pope or something.

Tony Blair PM = I'm tory, plan B; Virginia Bottomley = I'm an evil tory bigot; Owen Smith = Ow! I'm shite.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:35 pm    Post subject: paradox Reply with quote

What a wonderfully paradoxical phrase that is, ' the charmed circle of insane chinless royals.' The Habsburgs were inbred but they did have chins.

I don't mean I personally thought Tony Blair was a straight kind of guy. I thought he was a repulsive personality when he appeared on 'Question Time'.

I could never warm to David Blunkett but I appreciate he had to put up with a lot of crap. When there was a danger that he might become prime minister, the Daily Heil ran a panicky headline: ' Are We Ready For a Blind Prime Minister?'

Similarly, several centuries BC, when Homer produced the Illiad, the knee jerk reaction was to wail, ''Are we ready for a blind poet?''

In about 60 AD, the editorial staff on the 'Daily Messenger Slave', had a whingey editorial on hearing Claudius had won the latest palace revolution and was emperor. They demanded, ''Are we ready for an emperor with a stutter?'

In 0 BC or was it 0 AD ? - or was there no concept of zero? - the wail was heard in Judea, ''The slaughter of the innocents, we can take that, but are we ready for a messiah with holes in his hands?'' He's coming ready or not, you dickheads!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:20 pm    Post subject: the bitter pill Reply with quote

In the last day or so, we have heard that it was not just disabled kids who were used for medical experiments in the UK. In the 60s, kids in Approved Schools were also used as unwilling and unwitting guinea pigs in medical experiments in the UK.

Although it was not for the same reason, young teenagers in state custody were also held down and pumped full of powerful and dangerous drugs in the 80s. I have a memory of seeing a documentary about it at the time, but it can't have been considered important.

The majority of these kids were girls. In at least one Church of England run place, the resident girls were also put in strait jackets.

I must mention one unlooked for side effect of this powerful and forcibly administered medication. When the girls grew up, they gave birth to children with a variety of deformities, and this is no coincidence.

Haven't we been here before? This is concerning.

Before the Thalidomide scandal, we were told by experts that no medication taken by a pregnant woman could affect the development of the foetus in utero. Now, it looks as if a baby can be deformed by medication forced on its mother a decade or more before it was conceived, perhaps even before she started ovulating.

Who is going to take responsibility for this?
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Surely no one is responsible who is elected - or paid for somebody else to be elected - this is my complaint about " Sovereignty " which places the acts of those in government on a level with Acts of God ( the idea was drawn from medieval theological arguments.) As if it is bad enough being denied the opportunity to sue The Democrats they have also carved out of their laws exceptions to them so that we can not sue not only the law makers but also their law enforcers - it makes a mockery of The Democrats claiming that they uphold " The Rule of Law " - the fact is that they stole the phrase from Republican political theory because every modern political theorist in the 19c was citing Cicero and so the supporters of The United Kingdom had to pretend to subscribe to it for the sake of diplomatic appearances to other states : it refers not to the kinds of arbitrary authoritarian laws passed by The Democrats in Westminster but to The Natural Law which is cited in the diplomatic relationships between states i.e. to the original theory used by The Papacy in arbitrating international disputes between the feudal states in Europe. Later it was argued to be inherently a philosophical concept and to be determined independently of any power politics.

Thus we can address any ideology - Marxist, Islamacist, Capitalist etc - and sift through them for the information which they contain in the facts and arguments which they contain - but not accepting them on their own terms : they are all attempts to model The World which succeed in their own terms but ultimately fail - as will our attempts to comprehend The World but through doing this we construct better ways to understand that are founded upon the best authority - The Truth not The State ! - The laws which we frame ought to advise us how to behave not threaten us for not behaving in accordance with the legislators' wishes - if their wishes can not be questioned and compared to the realities of our lives then The State becomes not a source of support for Life but a means to limit our lives and encompass the Death of those who disagree with legislators - therefore it is best if the legislators are The People ... Democracy is a bad solution for this because it leads to the circumstances of minorities being ignored or even worse their differences becoming criminalised - Republicanism recognises that the marginalised are the sources of important political information because of their differences.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:43 pm    Post subject: remembrance of things past Reply with quote

The Plaid Cymru Member of the European Parliament Jill Evans had been fighting for 'justice' for those affected by Thalidomide, from the German government. I suppose it's all off now as her job is on the line.

But after years of campaigning by Rosie Moriarty-Simmonds and others, a permanent memorial to the victims of the Thalidomide scandal has recently been unveiled in Cathays Park, Cardiff, near the City Hall and the National Museum. It is made of black Welsh stone, presumably slate.

I wish I'd known in time to attend. It would have been cathartic.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:22 am    Post subject: arek Reply with quote

The New Scientist magazine had some light hearted comments on Brexit eg it showed that the British public shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ballot boxes. But it's not really very amusing.

Recently Arek Jozwik was attacked and killed by a group of British youths because he was speaking on his mobile phone in a foreign language. That's the level of intolerance we see now.

I do feel aggrieved that my old fashioned relatives voted Brexit without a thought for what effect it might have on my children. The Polish community in Harlow has held a silent march in memory of Arek Jozwik.

While investigating this, I came across the story of a Polish man whose remains were found in Felinfoel near Llanelli. He was unlawfully killed, but it has not been established that there was any racist motive.

Yesterday, pro-EU demonstrators marched in British cities. The police had to keep them apart from a Brexit supporting counter demonstration./


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:38 pm    Post subject: rerun Reply with quote

Hours after the vigil in Harlow, two Polish men suffered a 'vicious and horrible attack.'
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:25 pm    Post subject: good riddance Reply with quote

David Cameron is to stand down as an MP. Good!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:21 pm    Post subject: nit again! Reply with quote

A Polish man aged 28 has been set upon and beaten up in the street by a mob of up to 20 youths aged between 16 and 18. This was in Leeds, a place where there has been much racial tension.

This does concern me at a visceral level as my sons have eastern European blood. I do think it is less likely to happen around here, but anything is possible. The Polish embassy has expressed concern that this has happened again.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:24 pm    Post subject: Gina Reply with quote

A businesswoman Gina Miller did not just repeat helplessly that Parliament is sovereign, and has no obligation or right to trigger Article 50 without a vote in the house, as some of the chattering classes did. She petitioned for a judicial review.

The judges agreed with her. So Brexit has been stalled, at least temporarily. There were loads of red angry faces in the Question Time audience this week, and loads of complaints about this perceived affront to democracy. But there is relief too.

I was at a Welsh class in Newport this week. A German lady Elke comes from Bristol every week to learn Welsh. She has lived in England where she is 'a one woman business' for decades.

She has only a faint accent. Until recently, she had no problems in England because she was from another country. Now she is made to feel unwelcome.

She was not impressed that there might be sanctions for British firms who employed foreign workers. She mentioned the frustrations of foreign nationals, academics who feel they must leave the country.

People will have outbursts in front of them about foreigners. When they express hurt, the ranters say, ''Oh, I don't mean you!'' as if expecting them to be gratified.

Elke mentioned an Italian woman speaking Italian to her child in the street, who was attacked by an idiot shouting, ''Speak English!'' Of course, in Wales, we are even attacked for speaking Welsh in our own country. But the bigotry is out of the box in England now.

Earlier on this thread, I recounted disability hate crimes which were at least partly inspired by government rhetoric. Now the government has given a boost to murderous xenophobia.

Politicians who talk like this should be held to account. But maybe, we also need some research into why people are so easy for demagogues to manipulate, if certain people are more malleable than others, and if any steps can be taken to arm them against this mind poison.
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