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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:46 pm    Post subject: Libertalia : Pirate Republics & Y Faner Wen Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Er9WuISTps - The True Golden Age of Pirates | Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag [North America]

Apparently Henry Avery has ceased to be an historical figure and is alive and well and digitalised and ... so just for fun before I get into the subject ...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4zqnCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=henry+avery+assassin%27s+creed&source=bl&ots=DTkU057t7g&sig=GDCbhmcyRNQvWPenEeUBSPG-dMI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAi93A9uDSAhXnBsAKHdnQB3EQ6AEIXzAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20avery%20assassin's%20creed&f=false


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Assassins-Creed-Through-History-1189-1868/dp/1338099140/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489870434&sr=1-1&keywords=Assassin%27s+Creed%3A+A+Walk+Through+History+%281189-1868%29+By+Rick+Barba

Assassin's Creed: A Walk Through History (1189-1868) - Rick Barba

The Republic of Pirates

In 1696 the pirate Henry Avery sailed into the harbour at Nassau with shiploads of stolen loot ... pirates led by the pirate captain Benjamin Hornigold organised Nassau into a commune ... the so-called Republic of Pirates ...

https://assassinscreedcenter.wordpress.com/extras/the-watch/detras-de-black-flag/henry-avery/

http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/5/14/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-under-the-black-flag-trailer.html

https://www.nowgamer.com/assassins-creed-4-lead-writer-on-why-its-the-best-pirate-game-ever/

http://blackflagtimeline.tumblr.com

... The golden age of pirates begins twenty years before Blackbeard or Edward Kenway captain a ship, when “Pirate King” Henry Avery plunders his way from Europe to India and back. His exploits become legend, and evoke a glorious life at sea for future generations of sailors. ...

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OK OK OK - but where in reality did the idea of " The Republic of Pirates " come from ... and how is it related to " Y Faner Wen " and " Y Repwblic " ?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Every [ usually Henry Avery ? ] [ or was this just an Every Man ? ]

Henry Avery, also Evory or Every, ( baptised 23 August 1659 – after 1699 ), sometimes erroneously given as John Avery, was an English pirate who operated in the Atlantic and Indian oceans in the mid-1690s. He probably used several aliases throughout his career, including Benjamin Bridgeman, and was known as Long Ben to his crewmen and associates ... Dubbed "The Arch Pirate" and "The King of Pirates" by contemporaries, Avery was the most notorious pirate of his time; he earned his infamy by becoming one of the few major pirate captains to retire with his loot without being arrested or killed in battle, and also for being the perpetrator of what has been called the most profitable pirate raid in history. Although Avery's career as a pirate lasted only two years, his exploits captured the public's imagination, inspired others to take up piracy, and spawned numerous works of literature. ... [ READ THE WHOLE THING : INTERESTING ] ...

... After the publication of a fictional memoir in 1709, which claimed Every was a king ruling a pirate utopia in Madagascar, popular accounts increasingly took on a more legendary, romantic flavor ... In fact, no reliable information about Every's whereabouts or activities ever emerged after June 1696. ... Avery's exploits immediately captivated the public's imagination, and some considered him a sort of gallant maritime Robin Hood who exemplified the working class idea that rebellion and piracy were acceptable ways to fight back against unfair captains and societies ... Edward England, one-time quartermaster to Charles Vane, spent most of his career in the Indian Ocean raiding Mughal ships in much the same way Every had done two decades earlier. ... After fashioning a makeshift raft, he drifted to the very island believed to be ruled of the King of Pirates himself. No pirate utopia awaited him, however, and he died an alcoholic beggar. Ironically, this was the fictional but moralized fate Charles Johnson ascribed to Avery in his General History. ...

... A number of fictional and semi-biographical accounts of Every were published in the decades following his disappearance. In 1709, the first such account appeared as a sixteen-page pamphlet entitled The Life and Adventures of Capt. John Avery; the Famous English Pirate, Now in Possession of Madagascar (London: J. Baker, 1709). ... In the account, Every is depicted as both a treacherous pirate and a romantic lover; after he raids the Mughal's ship, he runs off with—and later marries—the Emperor's daughter. The couple then flee the Mughal's army to Saint Mary's Island, where Every sets up a pirate utopia similar to the fictional pirate state of Libertalia. Every even has several children with the princess and establishes a new monarchy. The King of Madagascar soon commands an army of 15,000 pirates and a fleet of forty warships, and is said to be living in fantastic luxury in an impregnable fortress beyond the reach of his English and Mughal adversaries. Furthermore, Every mints his own currency: gold coins engraved in his royal likeness. ...

- AHA -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_utopia

Pirate utopias were described by anarchist writer Peter Lamborn Wilson, who coined the term, in his 1995 book Pirate Utopias: Moorish Corsairs & European Renegadoes as secret islands once used for supply purposes by pirates. Wilson's concept is largely based on speculation, although even he admits a bit of fantasy. In Wilson's view, these pirate enclaves were early forms of autonomous proto-anarchist societies in that they operated beyond the reach of governments and embraced unrestricted freedom. ... Located on the Barbary Coast ( Salé, Algiers and Tunis ), those bases were havens for renegade Muslim pirates from the 16th to the 18th century. The pirates, dubbed "Barbary Corsairs", ravaged European shipping operations and enslaved many thousands of captives. However, thousands of Europeans also converted to Islam, forming the "Renegados" and joining the pirate holy war. Wilson writes that these men and women were not only apostates and traitors, as they were considered in their homelands, but their voluntary betrayal of Christendom can also be thought of as a praxis of social resistance. ... [ SEE 17C PLAY - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Renegado ] ...

The attempted establishment of a Republic of Pirates utopia (free from either British or Spanish rule) is a significant plot element in the Ubisoft video game Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag.

Libertalia is also a central plot element and setting in the video game Uncharted 4: A Thief's End. However, in this interpretation, Libertalia was founded by the pirate Henry Avery and others including Tew, Anne Bonny and Edward England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia

Libertalia ( also known as Libertatia ) was an anarchist colony founded in the late 17th century in Madagascar by pirates under the leadership of Captain James Misson. Whether or not Libertatia actually existed is disputed. It is described in the book A General History of the Pyrates by Captain Charles Johnson, an otherwise unknown individual who may have been a pseudonym of Daniel Defoe. According to Johnson's description, Libertalia lasted for about 25 years. The precise location is not known, however, most sources say it stretched from the Antongil Bay to Mananjary, Fianarantsoa, including Île Sainte-Marie and Mahavelona. Thomas Tew, Misson and a Dominican priest named Signor Caraccioli were involved in founding it. ...

... I THINK THAT IS WORTH A LONGER LOOK ... THE THING WHICH MADE ME TAKE A LOOK AT THE SUBJECT WAS LIBERTALIA BEING MENTIONED AS HAVING A WHITE FLAG - SYMBOLISING ITS PEACEABLE NATURE ... SO I SUPPOSE WE MIGHT DUB IT " DUN'FIGHTING'ROBBING'KILLING'SAILING " ...
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It must have - may / might / could have / be / been - fab ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia

( see above )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia#Description

Libertatia was a legendary free colony forged by pirates and the pirate Captain Misson, although some historians have expressed doubts over its existence outside of literature. Historian and activist Marcus Rediker describes the pirates as follows:

These pirates who settled in Libertalia would be "vigilant Guardians of the People's Rights and Liberties"; they would stand as "Barriers against the Rich and Powerful" of their day. By waging war on behalf of "the Oppressed" against the "Oppressors," they would see that "Justice was equally distributed."

Although the existence of Libertatia is contested, the radical ideas that it represented were very common in various pirate-era events. After the American Revolution, pirates fleeing from England were wrecked on an island and set up their own Libertatia. They called their new island "the Republic of Spensonia", after a fictional Utopian country created by the English author and political reformer Thomas Spence. According to A. L. Morton, it "looks backward to the medieval commune and forward to the withering away of the state."

The pirates were against the various forms of authoritarian social constructs of their day, monarchies, slavery, and capital. The pirates practiced forms of direct democracy, where the people as a whole held the authority to make laws and rules, and used systems of councils with delegates, who were supposed to think of themselves as "comrades" of the general population, and not rulers. The pirates created a new language for their colony and operated a socialist economy.

[The] pirates were anti-capitalist, opposed to the dispossession that necessarily accompanied the historic ascent of wage labor and capitalism. They insisted that "every Man was born free, and had as much Right to what would support him, as to the Air he respired." They resented the "encroachments" by which "Villains" and "unmerciful Creditors" grew "immensely rich" as others became "wretchedly miserable." They spoke of the "Natural right" to "a Share of the Earth as is necessary for our Support." They saw piracy as a war of self-preservation. [They redefined the] fundamental relations of property and power. They had no need for money "where every Thing was in common, and no Hedge bounded any particular Man's Property," and they decreed that "the Treasure and Cattle they were Masters of should be equally divided."

Misson's crews often were half white and black. The pirates have been reported to have freed enslaved people because the idea of slavery went against their own ideals of freedom.

The pirate utopia's motto was "for God and liberty," and its flag was white, in contrast to a Jolly Roger.They were anarchists, waging war against states and lawmakers, attacking their ships, sparing prisoners, and freeing slaves. They called themselves Liberi, and lived under a communal city rule, a sort of worker owned corporation of piracy. They had articles ( shared codes of conduct ), and used elected systems of re-callable delegates.

[ THERE IS QUITE A BIT MORE THERE TO READ ]


Libertatia in popular culture

Literature

William S. Burroughs Cities of the Red Night, 1981
Ghost of Chance, 1991
Johnson, Charles. A General History of the Pyrates, 1999
Libertalia, une utopie pirate (French extract of "Histoire générale des plus fameux pirates", L'Esprit Frappeur
Marcus Rediker. "Libertalia: The Pirate's Utopia," in Pirates: Terror on the High Seas from the Caribbean to the South China Sea.
Pirates of the Caribbean: Legends of the Brethren Court: Wild Waters, 2009

Film

Against All Flags (1952)
The King's Pirate (1967)

Video games

Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (mentioned only)
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End (2016)
Fallout 4 (2015)

Music

Ye Banished Privateers: The Legend of Libertalia (album, 2014)[6]

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" AGAINST ALL FLAGS " TRAILER = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4lKM9SCAM&list=PLIyoOOQPqOr5bzs9DX3mo2wSSI8J5JMzw&index=3

Laughing " PIRATE UTOPIA " = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf6a5W7uAVE&list=PL89B906955951C6AA

" THE PIRATE MOVIE " - includes Pirate King sING = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKIDqtbEPc

IF THIS WILL PLAY FOR YOU ENJOY A REALLY FUNNY FILM " PIRATES " = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5Ifor-NCA

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I quite like the idea of being " AGAINST ALL FLAGS " because although flags intrigue and amuse me they also represent sectarian divisiveness ... whereas of course sailing the seas promotes the unity of The World : so The Republic in Libertalia is inevitably The Republic in The World ... and its flag is Y Faner Wen ... a pity that they will never make a film about it ... I could play Errol Flynn and Marianne can be Anthony Quinn - which leaves Dafydd to play The Pirate Captain - Maureen O'Hara ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_All_Flags

Against All Flags is a 1952 American pirate film starring Errol Flynn as Brian Hawke, Maureen O'Hara as Prudence "Spitfire" Stevens and Anthony Quinn as Roc Brasiliano. The film's plot is set in 1700, when British officer Brian Hawke infiltrates a group of pirates located on Libertatia on the coast of Madagascar, and falls in love with pirate captain "Spitfire" Stevens. ...

... The film was remade in 1967 as The King's Pirate - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_Pirate
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a further diversion ... just a short cut ... or two ... three perhaps ... a short cut less ?

I think that you can play it online - and watch a game in progress ( " 73 games in progress " )

https://en.boardgamearena.com/#!gamepanel?game=libertalia

video review demonstration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGQ4npIzfI

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125618/libertalia

Game description from the publisher:

Captain Swallow has always dreamed of pocketing a large nest egg in order to retire on a remote island – but he never counted on stiff competition from Captains Stanley Rackum, Dirk Chivers and others, greedy and cruel enemies who always manage to attack the same ships as him. If he wants to finally sink back and enjoy peaceful days in the sun, he must become the most cunning pirate!

In Libertalia, you must thwart the plans of competitive pirates over the course of three rounds while using cards that show the same crew members as your piratical comrades-in-arms. Yes, not only do they attack the same ships, but they employ the same type of ravenous scum that you do! Can you take advantage of the powers of your characters at the right time? Will you be outdone by a pirate smarter than you? Jump into the water and prove your tactical skills!

http://www.boardgamequest.com/libertalia-board-game-review/

... Libertalia is not a complicated game by any stretch. The game is played over 3 “campaigns”, each ending with a scoring phase. During each campaign, you play cards from your hand, representing cremates on your ship. These cremates help you to aquire the available booty that day (represented by tokens). You want to try and collect the highest value booty tokens while avoiding the cursed ones. Hand management and strategy are the name of the game here. Choosing which crew member to play and when is how you’ll achieve victory. ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Marabunta-LIBT01USASM-Libertalia-Board-Game/dp/2914849877
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http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pir-lib.html - Pirates: Libertalia

( THIS WEBPAGE HAS AN IMAGE OF " Y FANER WEN " INSCRIBED " POUR DIEU ET LA LIBERTE " IN RED )

( SOME CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT WEBPAGE )

" Libertalia was supposedly begun by Captain Misson. Misson appears in Defoe's General History of the Pyrates: Volume II. Misson was a fiction character invented by Defoe to attack the social standards of the time, including religion and greed. Misson began a war against all nations, demanding a freedom from what he sees as the evil lawmakers who wanted to oppress those they were in charge of. Libertalia was the utopian settlement Misson began, running it in the fashion of his beliefs, that all man were equal, there should be no slaves, no revenge, no unnecessary violence, no greed, no oppression by money, power or religion. Hence the flag, For God and Freedom... "

Nathaniel Buchanan, 13 September 1999

" from the book "L'Etat c'est moi" by Bruno Fuligni:

Misson is only a name for war, a pseudo, which appears in Johnson's Histoire des Pyrates, vol II (and not Defoe's?). But the details of the story are so precise that it should be true, if we follow a French Historian, Hubert Deschamps (quoted by Fuligni, but I don't know who he is and when he lived) -

Misson met Carracioli in Roma. He joined Misson on the boat called Victoire. They fought against Britain in the Channel, and in the Caribbean Sea too, near la Martinique. There was a fight between the Victoire and the Winchelsea. The Winchelsea with its 40 canons exploded, but every french officer on the Victoire was dead.

Misson and Carracioli decided to be the new officers onboard. Everyone among the 235 sailors agreed. They elected the ones who would help Misson and Carracioli. One of them proposed to use a black flag. Caracioli answered : "We are not pirats, but men who want to live for the Freedom that God and Nature gave us, without surrendering before anybody".

That is why they adopted *a white flag, ornate with an allegory of Freedom, and the motto "A Deo libertate" which means : by God and Freedom.

Then, they went to the Golf of Guinea, and then to Comoros Islands, where they were allied with the Queen of Anjouan. Anjouan and Mohili have frequent wars, and they fight twice against the enemies of the Queen of Anjouan.

Misson then decides to settle in the Bay of Diego-Suarez, and establish the Republic of Libertalia, whose inhabitants are the sailors (French, English, Dutch, Portuguese, Africans...), and some people from Madagascar. They attacked a ship of Pilgrims to Mecca and take their daughters to have wifes. They put up a democratic government council.

But other people of Madagscar one day attack Libertalia : Carracioli is killed; Misson dies in a shipwreck when trying to go back to France. His story, written by himself, was found thanks to one of its aides, later, in La Rochelle.

Conclusion : I still don't know if the story is true, false, or fifty-fifty. But
The flag of Libertalia, if the Republic ever existed, bore an Allegory of Freedom, and a motto in Latin : "A Deo libertate".

Olivier Touzeau, 12 December 2000
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcYEpYtnvxs&list=RDwcYEpYtnvxs#t=0

Ye Banished Privateers : The Legend of Libertalia : 1st track - Libertalia (remastered)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mTg1BnVsI - The making of The Legend of Libertalia ( documentary )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnVKiWE2ka8 - Ye Banished Privateers - Welcome to Tortuga - Official Video

( Well " Ye Banished Privateers " are obviously active on Youtube: but are there any genuine documentaries out there ? )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPnmIqBeJYc - The Mysterious Disappearance of the Pirate Henry Every

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu72b8ldfYQ - Madagascar ( proposed location of Libertalia )

WOW : DID YOU SEE THAT ? THAT ISLAND IS SO MUCH LIKE THE STEEP HILL USED IN THE BRYNMAWR COOPERATIVE DAWN SUNRISE SYMBOL !

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/nosy-lonia-small-island-in-the-antsiranana-bay-madagascar-news-photo/504690015

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/nosy-lonia-small-island-in-the-antsiranana-bay-madagascar-picture-id504690015

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1304



How about ... er ... no ... perhaps not ... was this a waste of time ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3axD2Z13vEA - [Rezension] Das Herz von Libertalia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVngPTzQTPc - Et In Libertalia Ego Documentaire ( subtitles )

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From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 12 April 2017 09:33
To:
Subject: Re: [Flags] Fwd: Libertalia / Libertatia : The Pirate Utopia & The White Flag

Dear .... ,

thank you for the image and comment : I was delighted to come across this because of the contrast between a white flag and a black flag in a piratical context ... I live not to far away from the original " Tiger Bay " from whence many Welsh pirates like Henry Morgan migrated across the Atlantic : the whole thing started in a modest way after the Welsh port's staple trade was seized by Bristol after which the deprived merchants revenged themselves stealing fish, wool, wine etc.

Historically like the French kings the Welsh princes ( or at least those in Gwynedd ) used a white battle flag ( presumeably a pun on Gwynedd where Gwyn / Gwen can be taken as " white / sacred / holy / pure " ) and I have been playing with the idea that later there was a symbolism in protest meetings that theirs was " a sacred cause " and a strike was " a holy day." I compare protest banners to what might have been displayed in a siege to literally communicate the terms being offered.

I like the idea that a protest banner is a call for " parlez / parley " and that fits in very well therefore with the idea of some version of " Y Faner Wen " - " The Sacred/White Banner " - being used to declare " a pirates' republic " - especially given the recurring joke about " parley " being used in these recent " Pirates of The Caribbean " films. I write on " Y Repwblic " about Republicanism in a jokey satirical way and of course the word " candidate " is derived from the " toga candida."

Something I have pointed out is that Cicero was protesting for the peaceful restoration of The Republic in his white toga whereas in contrast Cato was famous for advocating revolt against Caesar and mourned for Rome in his black toga.

I also have played with the idea that " Y Faner Wen " / " The Sacred Banner " can be seen a jokey thing : we scrawl our political convictions across an old bed sheet and staple them to a couple of broom sticks and parade them around - and at the end of the day " The Sacred Banner " ends up discarded in a bin or torn up for rags ... politics may not be a transient thing but the things and themes associated with it are ... ?

May I post a copy of your image and a partial quote from your email - do you want your name omitted ? - on this thread ?

http://repwblic.informe.com/libertalia-pirate-republics-y-faner-wen-dt1380.html

Regards,

David B. Lawrence,
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I was sent this image of how a very slight acquaintance has interpreted the flag of Libertalia -



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From: Olivier Touzeau
Sent: 12 April 2017 19:43
To: David B Lawrence
Subject: Re: [Flags] Fwd: Libertalia / Libertatia : The Pirate Utopia & The White Flag

Dear David,

thank you for these very interesting details.

Of course you can copy the image, the text of the mail and quote my name.

Best regards,

Olivier Touzeau

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From: David B Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Olivier Touzeau
Subject: Re: [Flags] Fwd: Libertalia / Libertatia : The Pirate Utopia & The White Flag

Dear Olivier,

thank you for the image and comment : I was delighted to come across this because of the contrast between a white flag and a black flag in a piratical context ... I live not to far away from the original " Tiger Bay " from whence many Welsh pirates like Henry Morgan migrated across the Atlantic : the whole thing started in a modest way after the Welsh port's staple trade was seized by Bristol after which the deprived merchants revenged themselves stealing fish, wool, wine etc.

Historically like the French kings the Welsh princes ( or at least those in Gwynedd ) used a white battle flag ( presumeably a pun on Gwynedd where Gwyn / Gwen can be taken as " white / sacred / holy / pure " ) and I have been playing with the idea that later there was a symbolism in protest meetings that theirs was " a sacred cause " and a strike was " a holy day." I compare protest banners to what might have been displayed in a siege to literally communicate the terms being offered.

I like the idea that a protest banner is a call for " parlez / parley " and that fits in very well therefore with the idea of some version of " Y Faner Wen " - " The Sacred/White Banner " - being used to declare " a pirates' republic " - especially given the recurring joke about " parley " being used in these recent " Pirates of The Caribbean " films. I write on " Y Repwblic " about Republicanism in a jokey satirical way and of course the word " candidate " is derived from the " toga candida."

Something I have pointed out is that Cicero was protesting for the peaceful restoration of The Republic in his white toga whereas in contrast Cato was famous for advocating revolt against Caesar and mourned for Rome in his black toga.

I also have played with the idea that " Y Faner Wen " / " The Sacred Banner " can be seen a jokey thing : we scrawl our political convictions across an old bed sheet and staple them to a couple of broom sticks and parade them around - and at the end of the day " The Sacred Banner " ends up discarded in a bin or torn up for rags ... politics may not be a transient thing but the things and themes associated with it are ... ?

May I post a copy of your image and a partial quote from your email - do you want your name omitted ? - on this thread ?

http://repwblic.informe.com/libertalia-pirate-republics-y-faner-wen-dt1380.html

Regards,

David B. Lawrence,

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From: Olivier Touzeau
Sent: 12 April 2017 05:35
To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Flags] Fwd: Libertalia / Libertatia : The Pirate Utopia & The White Flag

... "David B Lawrence" wrote to " - " on
Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:41 AM

> I am coming across references to the ( mythical ? ) ( short lived ? )
> pirate republic of Libertaria using the white flag.
> I may get no further than this but if I share it then somebody else
> may get a bit further : lots of artistic improvising on this.


And as stated on our page http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pir-lib.html,

according to Bruno Fuligni in L'Etat c'est moi
(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/bib-fua.html#ful97), quoting Hubert

Deschamps, they wanted to adopt a white flag, ornated with an allegory of
Freedom, and the motto "A Deo libertate".

NB : Hubert Deschamps (1900-1979), historian, is the author of /Les pirates
à Madagascar aux XVIIe et XVIIIe siècles/, Paris, ed. Berger-Levrault, 1949,
244 p.

Giving credit to this only description, even if it is obviously hard to be
accurate with the drawing of the supposed flag of an entity which has
probably never existed, the drawing we show currently should be replaced
since it has the motto in French and besides in Comic Sans MS font, which
of course was not in use in the XVIIth century ;)
Here is the drawing I made for the book by Bruno Fuligni /Royaumes
d'aventure/, bearing the motto in latin in a hand-written style font, and
the allegory of Freedom (I drew it after a representation of Freedom
from the XVIIth century).

Best regards,

Olivier Touzeau

( in France )
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Perhaps all of this talk of pirates and their " floating republics " seems a little loony but these ideas captured the imagination of many in the 17c and 18c as did the news brought back from overseas of other kinds of societies e.g. the first translations of The Koran began to appear in the mid 17c and the early Elizabethan merchant adventurers who found themselves cut off from trade with Catholic Europe risked sailing around Portugal and Spain which were enemies on one side of The Straits of Gibraltar and past Tunisia and Morocco who were enemies on the African side to get to the Ottoman Empire where they encountered Islam and discovered that the sources of the goods which they bought there were in far off India and the even further off East Indies. It was when The East India Company began following the Portugeuse ships around Africa that the whole scenario was set up in which Libertalia could exist - even if it never actually did ... From the point of view of morality and ethics it might be argued that The Pirates in Madagascar were merely liberating the ill-gotten goods of thieves licenced by The United Kingdom ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolly_Roger

Use of the term Jolly Roger in reference to pirate flags goes back to at least Charles Johnson's A General History of the Pyrates, published in Britain in 1724. ... The origin of the name is unclear. Jolly Roger had been a generic term for a jovial, carefree man since at least the 17th century ...
It is sometimes claimed that the term derives from "Jolie Rouge" ("Pretty Red") in reference to a red flag used by French privateers. This hypothesis is considered a false etymology, as the phrase "Jolie Rouge" in reference to a pirate flag does not appear in any historical sources. ... An early record of the skull-and-crossbones design being used on a (red) flag by pirates is found in a December 6, 1687 entry in a log book held by the Bibliothèque nationale de France. The entry describes pirates using the flag, not on a ship but on land. ...

... WELL SO WHAT ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_quarter

... In some circumstances, the opposing forces would signal their intention to give no quarter by using a red flag; however, the use of a red flag to signal no quarter does not appear to have been universal among combatants. ...

... Now in a sense " >|< " - Eryr Wen - which is a symbol for " The White Eagle " has a strong affinity for The Pirate Flag or rather Pirate Flags : to ignore the symbol for a minute " The Black Flag " like " The White Flag " has its origins in military and naval signals e.g. " The Jolly Roger " was " Le Jolie Rouge " i.e. " The Pretty Red " which was the signal for war but a combat with quarter ( ? Well I understood that to be the meaning of The Red Flag, not " no quarter as given above - and ... uh ... ) ... The meaning of The Black Flag was surrender or fight to the death without quarter ... uh ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parley [ = THE BLACK FLAG ]

" ... The internationally recognized symbol for offering parley is a black flag, particularly in the context of shipping. For example, a ship at war wishing to enter parley with its attackers may raise a black flag to indicate this ... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag [ = REQUEST FOR PARLEZ ? ]

" The white flag is an internationally recognized protective sign of truce or ceasefire, and request for negotiation. It is also used to symbolize surrender, since it is often the weaker party which requests negotiation. A white flag signifies to all that an approaching negotiator is unarmed, with an intent to surrender or a desire to communicate. Persons carrying or waving a white flag are not to be fired upon, nor are they allowed to open fire.

... And I thought that I was The Idiot in The Global Village ... so what is the difference ? ...

By the looks of those accounts ...

The Black Flag = we propose to attack you : would you like to talk to us ?

The White Flag = you are attacking us : we would like to talk to you !

BUT

In my imagination the meanings of these are -

THE BLACK FLAG = " MILITARISM " = " SINISTER POLITICS "

THE WHITE FLAG = " PACIFICISM " = " DEXTEROUS POLITICS "

Now I am going to bed but what I intended to write about incorporated a speculation as to why the symbol of The Ship appears in Republicanism.

https://newrepublic.com/article/120196/history-new-republics-ship-logo

A Poem and A Logo: What Walt Whitman Gave The New Republic

BY LEON WIESELTIER - November 19, 2014

" ... It must have originated in a time when journeys were interesting—when travel was an experience and not a suspension of experience. Surely we lost our sense of voyage when we stopped boarding ships. There is no more evocative emblem of the vicissitudes of destiny, of the grand drama of forward movement, than a ship, or a tossed ship. It was such a ship, a square-rigged frigate on a choppy windswept sea, which was chosen as the emblem of The New Republic when it was founded a hundred years ago, first in a handsomely executed etching in the rich realist style of the day and years later in a highly stylized version. This was not the ship of state. This was the ship of the life of the mind, which (as the ideological lurchings of this magazine demonstrated over the decades) is often at sea. ...

... The ship that Hallowell chose to represent The New Republic was Walt Whitman’s ship. There are many ships in Whitman, of course; he is oceanic in more ways than one. “Are they not all the seas of God?” The ship in Hallowell’s engraving referred to the one in “Passage to India,” a long poem in thirteen sections that Whitman wrote (and pasted together) in the spring of 1870 and published a year later in a separate volume with other poems, until they were all absorbed into Leaves of Grass. Beneath his image of the ship Hallowell chose to cite some lines (along with some words that I cannot find in the poem) from Whitman’s poem—“Passage to you, to mastership of you, ye strangling problems!”—thereby transforming Whitman’s cosmic rhapsody into a prooftext for technocracy, which rather suited the spirit of the new progressive journal. Not much else in the poem did suit its spirit, though. Certainly not this: “Have we not darken’d and dazed ourselves with books long enough?” In truth, “Passage to India” is a vatic mess. It is all exclamations and exclamation points, a flaccid mysticism in an athletic delirium. ...


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Dear Friends of Y Repwblic,

I do not normally flirt with " Yr Eryr Wen " but on the other hand it is difficult to ignore because it is such a strong symbol ...

... you remember my cartoon about the goofy " Girl Guide " leader extolling Republican politics whilst her troupe ignore her ?

As you know I am under strict instruction from Daf to maintain Illuminati symbols so I recreated these as " The Witch's Hat."

For repwblic.org's webpage we debated nautical storm signals which use ( triangles/cones/pyramids + circles/discs/spheres.)

You know that I am interested in nautical history because my mum's family were on ships and that I live near to " Tiger Bay."

Piracy is not my only nautical interest : in particular I have read a number of books about how individuals survived wrecks ...

... you can immediately guess why : I am the lone survivor of a community wrecked by The Labour & Cooperative Party ...

... and as far as I am concerned they have wrecked our nation with their political incompetence - especially in Devolution.

Their attempt to wreck Republicanism in Wales however will not work because their behaviour simply resurrects it again.

All of The Democrats in Wales are united in their support of The United Kingdom - and their opposition to Republicanism.

The reason why I borrowed from the right-wing arguments in America is because they suit our left-wing purpose in Wales.

We desperately need a Constitution and The Court in Wales to defend it with the power to determine all The Law in Wales.

We desperately need to expound a simple version of Republicanism in Wales which is intelligible to The People in Wales.

That version must be acceptable to many different kinds of Republican but no more simple than is necessary for this task.

The People in Wales lack political education beyond the notion of " Left V Right " and they treat ballots as lottery tickets.

As you know I started out advocating making a distinction between Democrats and Republicans as pro-/anti- status quo.

My analysis is based upon reports from my friends in all parties and none : everybody is frustrated by the political system.

Most think that not having enough Democracy is the problem - but my analysis is that The Democrats despise politicos ...

... in other words The United Kingdom is an anti-political system - and that is why it is radically different from any other ...

... you can argue that everything is relative - and therefore The Republicans' in Wales stance is only relatively extremist ...

... but this is not true : the stance of The Republicans' in Wales is normal and The United Kingdom is extremely abnormal.

The Democrats in Westminster explicitly place themselves beyond the laws which they make i.e. they practice " Ultraism."

Thus I have dubbed them " The Demockerats " because they claim The Sovereignty of The United Kingdom for themselves.

No other kingdom in Europe has such a Constitution : this is a Republican argument and it is not against The Royal Family.

The United Kingdom has been claimed to be a Constitutional Monarchy - but it has neither a Constitution nor a Monarchy.

The United Kingdom has been an Aristocracy since 1688 and its apologists agree that its Sovereignty rests upon violence.

Political Authority does not rest upon violence but upon facts and arguments - and Sovereignty has its origins in Theology.

There is no such thing as Sovereignty other than created by The Law : imaginary things can not be made to exist with laws.

The Democrats' " Vox Populi Vox Dei " argument for The Sovereignty of The People is invalid : this is not Political Authority.

Political Authority only rests upon The Agreement of The People which can only be arrived at by understanding - not voting.

The Political System rests upon facts and arguments and so voting for representatives who decide by voting is not political.

That is the hard-line Pure Republican argument which I dubbed " White " and which the logic of Republicanism dictates.

Rousseau only vaguely implied how " The General Will " would be arrived at but there are some obvious implications in it.

The Mob Rule licenced by Democracy is excluded - Republicanism includes minorities by insisting on facts and arguments.

Republicanism was damned for favouring the educated and being slower and Democracy praised as inclusive and quicker.

In the mid 18c they were combined to provide a check and balance to each other and critical for this is " The Rule of Law."

The Rule of Law provides that legislators must consent to be ruled by the laws which they make for all ( = Republicanism.)

The Rule of Law provides that no laws can be made that are not consented to by all those whom they rule ( = Democracy.)

In The United Kingdom neither of these two basic criteria are met - yet its supporters claim that we have The Rule of Law.

This is what the argument was about in the 18c and you can see why piratical " floating republics " excited The People ...

... the idea of crews seizing their ships and electing the men most able to lead them and electing others if not satisfied ...

... when The Royal Navy faced crews refusing to put to sea and producing lists of demands it frightened the government -

- they believed that the crews might defect across The English Channel and fight for The Republicans in France - and so ...

... that is one of the reasons why they turned on The Republicans in Wales after La Seconde Légion des Francs landed ...

... When Webb designed the first version of " Yr Eryr Wen " for a pageant surely he was thinking of " The Black Legion " ?

La Seconde Légion des Francs were effectively marines : their captured uniforms were dyed black with white cross-sashes.

When Harri gave Cayo the pageant's flag it had a suspiciously Napoleonic looking eagle on it ( which was not historical.)

Damn. It is 01.00am Sunday and I have forgotten who got fed up with Webb's complicated design and created the symbol.

From the moment my eye clapped sight of it forty years ago I nearly wet myself with envy wishing that I had created that.

Anyway - as you know - whilst I am prepared to play with " Yr Eryr Wen " for this purpose as Illuminati we can not use it.

The Free Wales Army's flag is so close in appearance to " The Skull & Crossbones " that it always summons it to my mind.

So when I started to play with a cartoon for this " Libertalia " thread I decided to play with the other versions of it around.

I doubt that anybody is going to accept a systematic treatment of any symbol to be shared by all factions within Wales but.

You know The Model : this is a version of The Model in 2D - like the " Gwaragydddy " cartoon - but using piratical dinghies.

I have decided that I will stick this email into the thread - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1380

For those not familiar with The Model : there is some historical basis to assigning the political factions these colours -

Blue+Green+Yellow+Orange+Red+Purple = The Colours of The Enlightenment recombined into The Light = White = Nomos

Conservative+Fascist+Liberal+Anarchist+Socialist+Communist = united in a tolerant pluralist political system = Y Repwblic

Black = The Colours of The Enlightenment scattered into The Darkness = the absence of any political system = Chaos

As to the figures which appear : standard stuff - except that after I drew it I realised that HMS UK is dragging both anchors.

Yours Faithfully,

dai


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I continued to wonder why a ship should be a symbol used by Republicans and the obvious place to go look for such ships is in The Bible because early Republicanisms drew more upon the monotheist cultures of their own ages than upon the polytheist cultures of the original Republican politics i.e. the political texts of ancient Rome and Athens excited their imaginations but their religious pluralism and tolerance was alien to Jewish, Christian and Muslim scholars who had to reshape these political doctrines to suit The Hierocracies of Monotheism - with the consequences that persist into the modern world of Republicanisms which have been fanatically intolerant ( unlike the originals which were descriptions and debates about contemporary political systems.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

It occurred to me that Jews, Christians and Muslims ( possibly Zoroastrians too ) have a ship in common - Noah's Ark ... and that might be the ship in question because Republicanism has had a love affair with rainbows and even more so with Isaac Newton's spectrums and prisms which demonstrate how The Light is made up of multiple colours coexisting within the whole ... and Noah is a " Republican " because he has The Noahide Laws named after him - one for every colour of the rainbow which was the symbol of God's new covenant with all of those creatures living beneath the sky ... Within The Ark two of every other living creature co-existed with Noah's family ... and for quite a long time : perhaps they were fasting in repentance for their sins ? ... So : let me google around a bit to see if there is some kind of passage which would have excited the imaginations of Renaissance Religious Republicans like Savonarola ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah

In the Abrahamic religions, Noah (/ˈnoʊ.ə/;[1] Hebrew: נֹחַ, נוֹחַ, Modern Noaẖ, Tiberian Nōăḥ; Syriac: ܢܘܚ‎ Nukh; Arabic: نُوح‎‎ Nūḥ; Ancient Greek: Νῶε) was the tenth and last of the pre-flood Patriarchs. The story of Noah's Ark is told in the Bible's Genesis flood narrative. The biblical account is followed by the story of the Curse of Canaan.

Besides the Book of Genesis, Noah is also mentioned in the First book of Chronicles, and the books of Tobit, Wisdom, Sirach, Isaiah, Ezekiel, 2 Esdras, 4 Maccabees; and in the New Testament in the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Luke, the Epistle to the Hebrews, 1st Peter and 2nd Peter. Noah was the subject of much elaboration in the literature of later Abrahamic religions, including the Quran (Sura 71).

... ...

... ... Isaac Newton, in his religious works on the development of religion, wrote about Noah and his offspring. In Newton's view, while Noah was a monotheist, the gods of pagan antiquity are identified with Noah and his descendants. "Newton argues that Noah is ultimately deified as the god Saturn."

Newton thus traces all ancient political and religious history back to Noah and Noah's offspring and simultaneously gives an historical account of the rise of polytheism and idolatry in these gentile nations as the result of the posthumous deification of their leaders and heroes, a polytheistic process which thoroughly corrupts the core monotheistic truth ... in the original religion of Noah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark

Noah's Ark (Hebrew: תיבת נח‎‎; Biblical Hebrew: Tevat Noaḥ) is the vessel in the Genesis flood narrative (Genesis chapters 6–9) by which God spares Noah, his family, and a remnant of all the world's animals from the flood. According to Genesis, God gave Noah instructions for building the ark. Seven days before the deluge, God told Noah to enter the ark with his household and the animals. The story goes on to describe the ark being afloat for 150 days and then coming to rest on the Mountains of Ararat and the subsequent receding of the waters. The story is repeated, with variations, in the Quran, where the ark appears as Safina Nuh (Arabic: سفينة نوح‎‎ "Noah's boat"). The Genesis flood narrative is similar to numerous other flood myths from a variety of cultures. The earliest known written flood myth is the Sumerian flood myth found in the Epic of Ziusudra.

[ AH : THERE IS IN THE STORY OF THE ARK THE SAME BLACK V WHITE BIRD SYMBOLISM WHICH THE REPUBLICANS IN WALES WERE USING BY THE 17C ]

... St. Jerome (c. 347–420) identified the raven, which was sent forth and did not return, as the "foul bird of wickedness" expelled by baptism; more enduringly, the dove and olive branch came to symbolize the Holy Spirit and the hope of salvation and eventually, peace. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_aboard_Noah%27s_Ark

[ I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE IT DEMONSTRATES SOME STRANGE SORT OF OBSESSION ]

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mmm ... remember those Speculating Freemasons who argued that they had The Wisdom of Solomon and did not have to really rebuild his temple ? ... If I had told my boss that thirty years ago I would have been sacked - but now Zaha Hadid has made that sort of thing all the rage : it really is passe to build anything - architects now spend their careers just entering competitions ... like The Democrats enter their elections ... architects however are judged on their ability to actually build their designs and they expect to be sued if they make misrepresentations in order to get the job ... in The Democrats in Westminster have legislated that " The Sovereignty of The Crown in Parliament " means that they can not be sued for lying in order to win elections : the difference between the myth of Noah's Ark and Parliamentary Sovereignty is that the former is a metaphor depicting good morals and ethics and therefore does not have to be forced upon anyone because it is self-evidently a good thing to have a code of universal laws which apply to everyone and do not compel them with the threat of war but advise with them with the promise of peace - whereas the latter myth supposedly explains why such a code of universal laws does not apply to those who have acquired control of the non-political system called The United Kingdom in order to force others to do their arbitrary will and to excuse themselves from listening to protests against their behaviour and still less to be held responsible for the consequences of their waging war which is what Sovereignty licences : it is lawlessness and irresponsibility.

http://apocrypha.org/wisdom_of_solomon/10.htm

1 She preserved the first formed father of the world, that was created alone, and brought him out of his fall, 2 And gave him power to rule all things. 3 But when the unrighteous went away from her in his anger, he perished also in the fury wherewith he murdered his brother. 4 For whose cause the earth being drowned with the flood, wisdom again preserved it, and directed the course of the righteous in a piece of wood of small value. 5 Moreover, the nations in their wicked conspiracy being confounded, she found out the righteous, and preserved him blameless unto God, and kept him strong against his tender compassion toward his son. 6 When the ungodly perished, she delivered the righteous man, who fled from the fire which fell down upon the five cities. 7 Of whose wickedness even to this day the waste land that smoketh is a testimony, and plants bearing fruit that never come to ripeness: and a standing pillar of salt is a monument of an unbelieving soul. 8 For regarding not wisdom, they got not only this hurt, that they knew not the things which were good; but also left behind them to the world a memorial of their foolishness: so that in the things wherein they offended they could not so much as be hid. 9 Rut wisdom delivered from pain those that attended upon her. 10 When the righteous fled from his brother's wrath she guided him in right paths, shewed him the kingdom of God, and gave him knowledge of holy things, made him rich in his travels, and multiplied the fruit of his labours. 11 In the covetousness of such as oppressed him she stood by him, and made him rich. 12 She defended him from his enemies, and kept him safe from those that lay in wait, and in a sore conflict she gave him the victory; that he might know that goodness is stronger than all. 13 When the righteous was sold, she forsook him not, but delivered him from sin: she went down with him into the pit, 14 And left him not in bonds, till she brought him the sceptre of the kingdom, and power against those that oppressed him: as for them that had accused him, she shewed them to be liars, and gave him perpetual glory. 15 She delivered the righteous people and blameless seed from the nation that oppressed them. 16 She entered into the soul of the servant of the Lord, and withstood dreadful kings in wonders and signs; 17 Rendered to the righteous a reward of their labours, guided them in a marvellous way, and was unto them for a cover by day, and a light of stars in the night season; 18 Brought them through the Red sea, and led them through much water: 19 But she drowned their enemies, and cast them up out of the bottom of the deep. 20 Therefore the righteous spoiled the ungodly, and praised thy holy name, O Lord, and magnified with one accord thine hand, that fought for them. 21 For wisdom opened the mouth of the dumb, and made the tongues of them that cannot speak eloquent.

" ... in a piece of wood of small value." is a poetic allusion to Noah's Ark ...

https://www.bible.com/en-GB/bible/37/WIS.14.ceb

1 Or imagine this: A man is preparing for a trip. He’s about to board a ship that must sail through rough waves. So the man cries out for protection to a little piece of wood that is even more flimsy than the boat that will carry him. 2 Desire for profit led to the ship’s planning, and wisdom was the artisan who built it, 3 but your watchful guidance, Father, pilots the ship. You made a way in the sea, a sure path through strong waves. 4 You have shown us that you can rescue us from anything, so that even those who have no skill can put out to sea. 5 Your will is that the works of your wisdom be fruitful. This is the only reason in the end why humans can entrust their lives to cheap pieces of wood and can reach land safely by riding the breaking surf on a ship that is no more than a raft. 6 Near the beginning, at a time when proud giants were being destroyed, the hope of the world escaped on just such a raft. This was how the genetic character Or seed or DNA of a new generation survived for the world to come. They were steered the whole way by your hand. 7 Praised be the wood by means of which it has now become possible for us to do what is right !

" You made a way in the sea, a sure path through strong waves." = Moses parting The Red Sea - making a way out of slavery.

" ... the hope of the world escaped on just such a raft." = Noah in The Ark.

I think that the gist of this imagery is having the courage to embark on the journey to a better world ... but " Praised be the wood by means of which it has now become possible for us to do what is right ! " is also suggestive of the Christian imagery of The Cross : as if " the little piece of wood " could be imagined as the mast and spar as the flotsam and jetsam that the survivors of any shipwreck might cling to and be carried safely to The Promised Land. The imagery suggests resolute action towards revolution.
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The following morning ( Easter Monday ) when I ran over the above again -

http://apocrypha.org/wisdom_of_solomon/10.htm

1 She preserved the first formed father of the world, that was created alone, and brought him out of his fall, 2 And gave him power to rule all things.

- I thought about God prodding Adam into Life on the Sealing of The Sistern Capel and ... hang on a sec ... well - a Welsh sec ... hey - God is depicted using The Right Hand of Dextrous Politics whereas whilst Adam mirrors the gesture he is using The Left Hand of Sinister Politics ... oh dear ... but what about the others in the picture - those with God ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_Adam

" ... Many hypotheses have been formulated regarding the identity and meaning of the twelve figures around God. The person protected by God's left arm might be Eve due to the figure's feminine appearance and gaze towards Adam, but was also suggested to be Virgin Mary, Sophia goddess of wisdom, the personified human soul, or an angel of feminine build ... "

Now that might put another spin on the Adam and Eve story where Eve is often depicted as having been a rather foolish woman who got rather overly excited by the appearance of a serpent ... which is not to be confused with the snake which Aaron produced from under his cloak in front of Pharoah, which was all floppy to begin with but then as soon as Moses took hold of it became as stiff as a sticky thing ... anyway : the serpent which excited Eve was a seductively handsome prick who made her all sorts of promises if she would give him her vote and she was so overwhelmed by his charismatic whiles and his exciting descriptions of the marvels to be discovered beyond her own dull little world if she would agree to become a little more educated that she readily agreed to have his babies and even agreed to be photographed naked with him without a baby and ... oh dear ... Adam was a little suspicious when he came home from work and found some kind of foreign food on the menu instead of his usual Clark's pie but like most weary husbands with nagging wives he ate what was put in front of him - wishing to please - and the result was that he got some wisdom ...

... One way of reading this however is that when Adam was living alone with nobody to discuss Life with and just plodding along mumbling to himself then God felt that Adam really did not understand The Creation but just swept up the leaves each Autumn, stuffed his face with various things provided his Creator and otherwise lay around dozing and ... well not even daydreaming : Adam had absolutely no appreciation of how lucky he was to be living in The Republic in The World because he knew nothing else - could not even imagine that The World could be different because there was nobody for Adam to talk to who might ask him searching questions like " Where the hell were you last night - and do not give me any of that crap about hanging out with the lions or lambs : I saw you exchanging glances with that chimpanzee - you can forget that for a start because you are too closely related - and don't you dare bring up that time that I went for a walk with that elephant : there was nothing in it - I just happened to admire his ears ... " ... What Adam needed was a dialectical conversation - so does it not make sense that either Eve was in fact Sophia or that The Angel of Wisdom devised marriage upon the basis of mutual counselling ?

For those who are upset by my subverting what they take to be sacred stories to be piously respected I would like to point out that the whole point of religion is the pursuit of understanding and that nothing created by human beings is sacred : these stories are not to be made into idols to be worshipped and they should be thrown onto The Bonfire of The Vanities in order to obtain The Light which they contain - plus a little warmth also ... Republicanism can be characterised as consisting of two complimentary debates - The Public Discourse is a dialectic between religion and politics : on the one hand there is The Moral Debate in which we are trying to agree our understanding of what is good - and on the other hand there is The Ethical Debate in which we are trying to agree our understanding of how to achieve what we have agreed to be good. The temptation incarnate in " Sovereignty " is evidenced by The Democrats in Wales and Westminster - and in other places - declaring that The Moral Debate is irrelevant and that religion is explicitly a private matter i.e. that The Democrats will not have their morality examined but insist instead that their ethics are " legitimate " because they have obtained a temporary control of The State. This is why in Republicanism an important aspect of The Constitution is The Bill of Rights : it is our agreed morality - to be propagated by our Civil Religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

Civil religion is a concept that originated in French political thought and became a major topic for American sociologists since its use by Robert Bellah in the 1960s. It means the implicit religious values of a nation, as expressed through public rituals, symbols (such as the national flag) and ceremonies on sacred days and at sacred places (such as monuments, battlefields or national cemeteries). It stands outside the churches, although church officials and ceremonies are sometimes incorporated into the practice of civil religion.

This is not the occasion upon which to write a long piece on the subject which most interests me about The Republicanism in 19c Wales - but let me just remark upon this much ... Several years ago I started to lace my pieces of writing on Y Repwblic with stock phrases used repetitively : if you have read everything that I have written it must have become for you trite and boring to hear " Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace, Life - V - Lies, Hatred, Enslavement, War, Death " repeated so often but the visitor who skims but one or two pieces because of their rather odd titles will probably only encounter these once. We have a terrible legacy in Wales of 19c anti-Republican propaganda which has not only portrayed Republicanism to be a criminal conspiracy but has so successfully portrayed it as such that the those most prominently reported in the media to be describing themselves as " Republican " have taken their ideas about Republicanism from this terrible legacy of 19c anti-Republican propaganda. From the 1950s to the 1980s there were several groups doing this and " >|< " is the legacy one of them - " The Free Wales Army " - " Byddin Rhyddid Cymru " - which is why the drawing above carries the risk of being misunderstood ... but ...

... Whilst " The Cardiff Illuminati " have been around since The Miners' Strike of 1984 - and there have been many such convivial small groups and many more effective ones excepting that they have not lasted so long - we had no encounters ( to our knowledge ) with the legacy of " >|< " until Daf and I went to a " Stuff The Monarchy " weekend in 2002 organised by the publishers of Y Faner Goch who were the remnant of The Welsh Socialist Republican Movement ( which had collapsed due to being infiltrated by both a wannabee bomber and an agent provocateur.) After a bunch of dismal anti-monarchist and hyper-nationalist speeches then Pedr Lewis made a very good speech that was truly Republican and I chatted to him afterwards and with a certain amount of discomfort knowing who he was. Pedr Lewis became equally excited to encounter somebody else able to discuss Republicanism properly and in the course of the conversation as we reviewed he mess that The Republicans in Wales were in he more or less backed me up against a wall and demanded that I either relinquish my identity as a Republican or do something to remedy the situation.

I doubt that Pedr Lewis approved of " Y Repwblic " nor Gethin ap Gruffydd whom I met later : John Roberts - lawyer and C.O. - was my mentor.

http://repwblic.informe.com/pedr-lewis-1923-2009-dt332.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gethin_ap_Gruffydd

[ I JUST READ THE LATTER : I DO NOT THINK THAT REALLY REPRESENTS GETHIN'S ACTIVITIES ]

[ Y REPWBLIC IS ARGUABLY THE REMNANTS OF THE CARDIFF ILLUMINATI AND SO IS WHAT IT IS : A SHAMBLES AS USUAL ]
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