Joined: 09 Feb 2007
|Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:24 pm Post subject: Monotheism & Morality : Agreement or ?
|Since it is over forty years or so ago that I considered the idea that religion is simply the human activity of making sense of our experiences of The World ... I have not revisited the point : all religions have to deal with reality and therefore whatever the tinsel and trimmings which they add they must deal in rationality and reasonability or die ... a religion that fails to teach its followers how to cope with The World as it is will in the long run actually kill its followers - indeed several self-appointed religious leaders have deliberately killed off all of their followers rather than allow the moral bankruptcy of their Hierocracy be disclosed ... The main problem in The World in The West today is that The Hierocrats do not look like traditional priesthoods and they sneer at traditional religious teachings which were for the most part very sound ... Most of The People in The World are being misled into thinking that religion is about various ancient theological concepts which are de facto not relevant in the modern technological industrialised societies most of us live in : true - but this does not make religion less relevant but more relevant ... Several things masquerading as substitutes for religion are in fact piss-poor versions of it which are full of the sorts of problems which Judaism, Christianity, Islam and other major religious traditions have wrestled with for centuries ...
... or so I have instinctively believed now for all of my adult life - indeed will continue to believe because it is an article of faith in my own religious life : but having come to that conclusion in my mid-teens ought I not be just a little skeptical that I was capable of making such a judgement at that age ? ... Ought not such a decision be able to stand re-examination ? ... Just before I start here I ought to point out that I may be using different definitions to the reader because of the way that I think both psycho-sociologically and historio-politically ... ( is that a real term ? ) ... In terms of " The Model " every person experiences " Spirituality " as a result of their Life : some thing happens to them and they experience a " Sensation " and as a consequence they experience an " Emotion " - but each person will perceive the " Action " of another in terms of " Cognition." I tread on your toes - your Sensation is hurt - your Emotion is rage - your Cognition is retaliation - your Action is to stamp on my toes - my Sensation is hurt - my Emotion is surprise - my Cognition is curiosity - my Action is the ask you why you did such a thing - you thoughtless thug ...
... As you can see I am essentially a religious person who is trying to understand the ( Sensations+Emotions = ) Spiritualities of others by asking questions about their ( Emotions+Cognitions = ) in pursuit of our mutual understanding and reconciliation i.e. I am oriented towards Religion which promotes and propagates The Public Discourse on Morality ... but can we use this to establish a truly universal Morality ? ... Many point to the diversity of human cultural behaviours to deny that the basic premise of Republicanism - The Nomos - has any foundation in reality : if - as I would claim - " The Natural Law " of Thomas Aquinas etc is not just a sentimental relic of medieval scholastic philosophers then it should be demonstrable ... If " The Nomos " is " The Divine Law " of " The Creator " then it is going to be " The Cosmic Torah " or " The Mystic Koran " which underlies The Creation i.e. it is not just about when who begat what but also about before begating began ... The Nomos will be what underlies what many claim that their " religions " contradict - Evolution : but if the facts bear out Evolution then to refuse this as reality is to do religion badly. Evolution has both evolved female spiders which lure their spouses with seductive false promises and then devour them - and also lawyers ...
[ I AM JUST GOING TO BROWSE : MUCH OF WHAT I SEE IS JUST USELESS SECTARIAN OBSCURANTISM ... I WILL LOOK FOR THE USEFUL ]
" ... Ethics and morals relate to “right” and “wrong” conduct. While they are sometimes used interchangeably, they are different: ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religions. Morals refer to an individual’s own principles regarding right and wrong. ... "
[ I CAN ALMOST AGREE WITH THAT : BUT I RECKON THAT RELIGION PROPERLY CONCERNS ITSELF ONLY WITH MORALITY - WHEREAS ETHICS IS THE PRESERVE OF POLITICS : THIS IS OUR PROBLEM WITH THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES - THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF POLITICIANS TO DECIDE WHAT THE PEOPLE IN WALES BELIEVE IN : THE SOCIALISTS ARE CREATING A NEW STATE RELIGION ]
Anayat Sekhon, bluestocking. [ NOTE HOW A NON-WESTERNER CAN THINK MORE CLEARLY : PROPERLY EDUCATED - NOT INDOCTRINATED AS IN WALES ]
Morals are the principles on which one’s judgments of right and wrong are based. These principles are derivable from full-fledged religious, cultural or political systems of belief. Morality is more fluid, personal and subjective, whereas Ethics are widely accepted principles of right conduct. Ethics are more practical, conceived as overarching principles promoting fairness and forming the basis of criminal jurisprudence. One can say that morals are those fundamental values that are endorsed by a higher authority, and ethics are values which are based on greater objectivity and are geared towards ensuring smooth day-to-day functioning.
For example : A politician embezzling public money is committing an ethical wrong, whereas a politician committing infidelity is being immoral; but you can see how there is significant overlap between the two concepts.
[ GENERALLY SPEAKING YOU CAN THINK OF MORALITY BEING TO DO WITH EMOTIONS WHEREAS ETHICALITY IS TO DO WITH ACTIONS : THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES APPARENTLY THINK THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER CREATE LAWS WHICH MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO HATE THEM - YET THEY WILL NOT CREATE LAWS WHICH PREVENT THOSE THEY HATE BEING KILLED I.E. THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND THE WORLD THINK THAT BEING IN CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT OF A STATE IS LICENCE TO USE THE POWER OF THE STATE TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THOSE THEY DISLIKE : THE MEDIEVAL CHURCH HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO DIRECT THE HATRED OF THE PEOPLE ONTO IMAGINED WRONG DOERS - NOT REAL PEOPLE ]
[ THE POINT TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE BASIS OF DEMOCRACY IS BEING POPULAR - NOT BEING RIGHT ... MORALITY ARISES OUT OF OUR EMOTIONAL RESPONSE TO THE WORLD : OUR PAIN LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT IS BEING DONE TO US SHOULD BE STOPPED ... THAT MAY SOUND RATIONAL BUT CONSIDER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN NO WOMEN WERE IN THE LEGISLATURE : ALL THE MEN AGREED THAT THERE SHOULD BE LAWS MADE TO STOP WOMEN HURTING THEM BY DOING SUCH THINGS AS SUING FOR DIVORCE OR REFUSING TO BE BEATEN FOR NOT BEING OBEDIENT ... THERE ARE DEMOCRATS WHO ARGUE THAT IT IS ETHICAL TO MAKE LAWS THAT ARE NOT MORAL : THIS IS PERFECTLY TRUE WITHIN DEMOCRATIC PRACTICE - BUT WITHIN REPUBLICAN PRACTICE THE WHOLE POINT OF " THE RULE OF LAW " IS THAT A LAW THAT IS NOT MORAL IS NOT ETHICAL AND IS THEREFORE NOT A LAW AT ALL BECAUSE IT DOES NOT PROMOTE " DE RE PUBLICA." ]
[ FOR EXAMPLE : " THE UNITED KINGDOM " IS NOT A PLACE OR A PEOPLE BUT A HEAP OF PAPER : IT DATES BACK TO THAT DAY IN 1066 WHEN BILL THE BASTARD TORE UP THE ANGLO-SAXON LAWS AND STARTED ... WELL : LET US BE KIND AND CALL IT " MAKING MISTAKES " ... THINK OF IT BEING LIKE A MATHEMATICAL SUM OR EQUATION WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR CENTURIES - PAGE AFTER PAGE OF ACCUMULATING " MISTAKES " WHICH ARE BEING HALLOWED LIKE A SCRIBAL ERROR IN SOME HOLY SCRIPTURE E.G. LIKE THAT 17C OFFICIAL BIBLE WHICH WAS ISSUED IN THOUSANDS OF COPIES BEFORE SOME CLERIC POLITELY POINTED OUT THAT THERE WAS A MISPRINT IN ONE OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ... DID THEY JUST LEAVE IT IN THERE ? ... NO THEY DECIDED TO RIP THE WHOLE THING UP AND PUT IT IN THE BIN SAVE FOR A FEW COPIES KEPT FOR THE SAKE OF SNIGGERING OVER - WHICH IS ALL THAT THE REPUBLICANS IN WALES PROPOSE : TEAR UP " THE UNITED KINGDOM " AND PUT IT IN THE BIN - WE NEED A BETTER SET OF LAWS ...
... WE CAN DO THIS ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE IN BRITAIN OR - GIVEN HOW URGENTLY THE PEOPLE IN WALES NEED THIS - WE CAN OPT TO DO IT ALONE : THE SKY WILL NOT FALL, THERE WILL STILL BE A ROYAL FAMILY IF THE PEOPLE IN WALES WANT ONE, THERE WILL STILL BE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND ... SHIT ... WELL YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THE WORLD IN WALES TO CHANGE OVER NIGHT : BUT ONCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A PROPER MORALITY - AND CREATED ETHICAL LAWS IN ORDER TO JAIL ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES - THEN WE WILL BUILD A TRULY POLITICAL SYSTEM ENABLING EVERYBODY TO SUBMIT THE FACTS OF THEIR LIVES AND EXPRESS ARGUMENTS ABOUT THEM : IN PARTICULAR WE CAN PUT AN END TO THE RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL POLICING OF WALES BY THE LABOUR & COOPERATIVE PARTY WHOSE MEMBERS ARE NEITHER RELIGIOUS NOR POLITICAL BUT SIMPLY WILLFUL - TO PUT AN END TO THE POLICE BEING USED AS A WAY TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO ARE CRITICS OF THOSE IN GOVERNMENT : OR WHO MERELY DIFFER FROM IT AND SO ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE THAT THEY ARE BEING BLACKLISTED ALONG WITH CHARITIES, COMPANIES, ACTIVITIES ETC DEEMED TO BE SUBVERSIVE : HERE IN WALES EVEN SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE BEING TARGETED AS " SUBVERSIVES " FOR SIGNING PETITIONS ! ]
[ ... SO FOR THOSE OF YOU IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN BY " DEMOCKERATIC " - THINK OF IT THIS WAY : THE UNITED KINGDOM CEASED TO BE A KINGDOM IN 1688 BUT IT HAS NEVER ACQUIRED THE RULE OF LAW NOR HAS IT EVER BECOME A DEMOCRACY - THINGS ARE MORE OR LESS UNCHANGED SINCE 1688 EXCEPTING THAT UNDER THE IMPACT OF SURROUNDING POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS THE PROPRIETORS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM HAVE VERY SLOWLY MADE SOME COSMETIC ADJUSTMENTS TO THE APPEARANCE OF THINGS E.G. IN TRYING TO KEEP CONTROL OF IRELAND A FUDGE WAS MADE BOTH TO CREATE THE APPEARANCE OF THE RULE OF LAW AND THE APPEARANCE OF DEMOCRACY ... AND WE KNOW WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED IN IRELAND DO WE NOT ? ... THE UNITED KINGDOM AS A HEAP OF PAPER IS WRITTEN IN THE INTERESTS OF THE PROPRIETORS THE STATE WHICH IS DESIGNED TO EXTORT PROFIT FROM THE PEOPLE IN WALES, IRELAND, SCOTLAND, ENGLAND AND ELSEWHERE : ONLY THOSE INVOLVED IN THIS EXTORTION PERFORM THIS CONTORTION THAT PORTRAYS THE PEOPLE AS WANTING TO WAGE WAR AGAINST EACH OTHER - BECAUSE WAR IS THE OUTCOME OF THEIR NON-POLITICS ... THE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SORT THE MESS OUT CAUSED BY THEM : THE PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING THEMSELVES IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER - MORAL RELATIONSHIPS NOT EXTORTIONATE ONES.]
[ WHICH IS WHY RELIGION AND MORALS HAVE TO BE THE PRECURSORS OF POLITICS AND ETHICS : REPUBLICANISM IS THE POLITICS OF LOVE.]