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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:59 am    Post subject: OMNE SOLEM FORTIS PATRIA QUIA PATRIS Reply with quote

I was mentioning this on the thread " The North Star : associated symbols, myths etc " where I used it in this diagram

[ http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2728#2728 ]



YOU KNOW I REALLY DISTRUST GOOGLE TRANSLATE SOMETIMES ...

OMNE - " UNIVERSE "

SOLEM - " THE SUN "

FORTIS - " VALIANT, STRONG, BRAVE, STEADFAST, POWERFUL, BOLD, STURDY, STOUT, ROBUST, HEARTY, RESOLUTE, SPIRITED, MANLY, HARDENED, STRENUOUS, GALLANT "

PATRIA - " FATHERLAND, HOMELAND, NATIVE LAND "

QUIA - " BECAUSE "

PATRIS - " FATHER "

OMNE SOLEM - " ALL MEN "

SOLEM FORTI - " SOLEM FORTI "

OMNE FORTI - " ALL BRAVE "

FORTI PATRIA - " CHANCED "

PATRIA QUIA - " Translating ... "

QUIA PATRIA - " FOR PARENTS "

OMNE SOLEM FORTI - " Translating ... "

PATRIA QUIA PATRIS - " Translating ... "

SOLEM FORTI PATRIA - " Translating ... "

FORTI PATRIA QUIA - " BECAUSE HAPPENING "

OMNE SOLEM FORTIS PATRIA QUIA PATRIS - " ALL MEN HAPPENED TO BE A FATHER "

UH ?


This latin tag crops up at least twice if not more times in the context of Republicanism in Wales and The World and it was often Christianised as -

" omne solum forti patria, quia patris " = " to the brave man every land is a fatherland because God his father made it."

I first came across it in the context of Edmund Ludlow ( sometimes ' Ludlowe ' ) who is to be associated with Wales through his marriage to Elizabeth Thomas of Wenvoe, whom I am just assuming at the moment is either a sister or niece of Edmund Thomas ( [ I LOST A BIT HERE ? ]

[ For our American friends ( indeed our Chinese and Indian friends too ) and those who like exotic places -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenvoe ]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Thomas_(Parliamentarian) ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Baronets

" ... The Thomas Baronetcy of Michaelstown in the County of Glamorgan, was created in the Baronetage of England on 3 March 1642 for Edward Thomas - Sir Edward Thomas, 1st Baronet (died 1673) - Sir Robert Thomas, 2nd Baronet (c. 1622–died after 1684) ... but was he not a Royalist ? ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Thomas,_2nd_Baronet - & so was this one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Thomas,_1st_Baronet

... The Thomas Baronetcy of Wenvoe in the County of Glamorgan, was created in the Baronetage of England on 24 December 1694 for John Thomas ... ah-ha ... Sir John Thomas, 1st Baronet (died 1703) - Sir Edmond Thomas, 2nd Baronet (1667–1723) - Sir Edmond Thomas, 3rd Baronet (1712–1767) - Sir Edmond Thomas, 4th Baronet (c. 1742–1789) - Sir John Thomas, 5th Baronet (1749–1828) - etc - THREE " EDMONDS " IN A ROW RELATED TO EDMUND LUDLOW - FAMOUS AS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT - INFAMOUS AS THE ARMY COMMANDER IN IRELAND - FAMOUS AS THE DISSIDENT REPUBLICAN WHO DEFIED CROMWELL - INFAMOUS AS THE REGICIDE WHO WAS NEITHER HANGED NOR ASSASSINATED AND ESCAPED INTO EXILE IN VEVEY IN SWITZERLAND ? ... Is there any chance there that the Thomas family of Wenvoe were quietly making a political point : that they were privately remaining a Republican family until - 1789 ? Or is my imagination in overdrive and there were just a lot of John Thomas's in Wenvoe - sorry - Edmond or Edmund Thomases in 17c Wenvoe ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Thomas_(Parliamentarian)

Edmund Thomas (1633 - 1677) was a Welsh politician who sat in the House of Commons in 1654 and 1656 and sat in Cromwell's Upper House. He supported the Parliamentary cause during the English Civil War and the Interregnum. ... In 1654, [ Edmund ] Thomas was elected Member of Parliament for Glamorgan in the First Protectorate Parliament. He was re-elected MP for Glamorgan in 1656 for the Second Protectorate Parliament. On 10 December 1657, [ Edmund ] Thomas became one of three Welsh men, who were made members of Oliver Cromwell's House of Lords, the other two were Philip Jones and John Jones of Merionethshire. [ Edmund ] Thomas had extensive family connections with General Edmund Ludlow, and the brothers William Strickland and Walter Strickland, all three of whom were also members of Cromwell's Upper House. He also attended Cromwell's funeral. In 1659 he was put in command of Militia in Glamorgan, Brecon and Radnor. He purchased lands in Wenvoe, St Andrews, Llandow, Rhiwperra and Michaelston-y Vedw. In 1664 he was High Sheriff of Glamorgan. ... [ Edmund ] Thomas died in 1677 and was buried at Wenvoe. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Jones_of_Fonmon ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jones_Maesygarnedd

Philip Jones was MP for Glamorgan, he was close to Cromwell and obtained Fonmon Castle after the [ Royalist ] St John family were deprived of it but he survived the return of the king and he is buried at Penmark etc and all of this is near to the Glamorgan coast ... John Jones - Sion ap Sion Maes-y-garnedd - as a regicide he was " The Most Hated Man In Wales " - a brother-in-law to Oliver Cromwell but opposed to him as a Republican so when his friend and colleague Edmund Ludlow left him in command of Ireland he chose to oppose Monck's Restoration Party and therefore after the return of the king he was executed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Strickland,_1st_Baronet ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Strickland

William Strickland was a loyal supporter of Oliver Cromwell and a " True Blue " and therefore in favour of the suppression of all opinions, having none of his own - which is probably why he was excluded from " The Barebones Parliament " but included thereafter once they destroyed the Republicans' government ... His younger brother Walter Strickland was close to Oliver Cromwell and the Ambassador-General to the Republic of the United Provinces of the Netherlands and later the MP for Minehead on the Somerset coast opposite the Glamorgan coast : the sea was a highway between these two areas.


... ANYWAY ... BACK TO ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Thomas_(Parliamentarian)

... [ Elizabeth Ludlow ne ? ] Thomas came from family that were for many years seated at Wenvoe. The original name was Harpwaye, of Tresimont, in { a Welsh part of ? } Herefordshire : they took the name of Thomas, as a result of a marriage with Catherine { Thomas }, daughter and sole heir of Thomas ap Thomas, of Wenvoe Castle. Thomas married firstly Elizabeth Morgan, daughter of Sir Lewis Morgan of Rhiwperra { it is a Castle } and sister of Thomas Morgan. He married secondly Mary Lewis, daughter of Sir Thomas Lewis of PENMARK Place { = ' plas ' - more or less a castle } at Wenvoe on 1 August 1671. His son and heir William Thomas married the daughter of Philip, Lord Wharton. ...

[ IN OTHER WORDS : EDMUND THOMAS WAS " BIG GENTRY " AND THESE WERE PROPERTY DEALS ... ? ... THESE FAMILIES WERE STILL BIG LANDOWNERS IN SOUTH WALES IN THE 20c AND THEY WERE MOST PROBABLY CONNECTED WITH THE ORIGINAL REPUBLICANS IN WALES - " THE WELSH PARTY " OF THE EARLY 17c ... AND WHAT ABOUT THIS CONNECTION WITH THE LEWIS FAMILY OF PENMARK ? ]

http://www.kenmore.org/genealogy/lewis/coat-of-arms.jpg



http://www.kenmore.org/genealogy/lewis/heraldry.html

THE GEORGE WASHINGTON FOUNDATION - THE LEWIS HERALDRY

" Excerpted from Lewis of Warner Hall by Merrow Egerton Sorley ... In the case of the Lewis family, heraldry is the only source of recorded evidence as to the original home and ancestry of the emigrant member of the family. The Lewis family of Warner Hall bears the Arms: Argent a griffin's head and neck erased vert, holding in the mouth a bloody hand. The motto of the family is " Omne solum forti patria est " - literally, Every land is a brave man's country. These are the arms and motto of the Lewis family of Brecon, Wales and the Warner Hall family of Lewis is descended in the male line from one branch of the Brecon family of Lewis.[/color ... "

http://www.kenmore.org/genealogy/lewis/gene_lewis.html

THE GEORGE WASHINGTON FOUNDATION - THE LEWIS FAMILY

The Lewises were a prominent and wealthy family in Gloucester County, Virginia. Fielding moved to Fredericksburg as a young man, in 1746, to learn the business of running his father's store, which he inherited in 1754 upon his father's death. As a planter and importer/exporter, Fielding became wealthy in his own right. He started construction of the new Lewis mansion (which would only be named Kenmore many years later) in 1769 and the family moved into the house in the fall of 1775.

http://www.kenmore.org/genealogy/lewis/wash_lewis_connection.html

THE WASHINGTON AND LEWIS FAMILY CONNECTIONS

" The connections between the Washington and the Lewis families span generations. The Washingtons and Lewises were related by marriage and by birth. Both families descend from Augustine Warner II (1642-1681), Speaker of the Virginia House of Burgesses. The chart below is a greatly abbreviated version of the family tree that shows the direct connection between the two families. ... Mildred Warner and Elizabeth Warner were sisters. Their father, Augustine Warner II, was a common great grandfather to Fielding Lewis and Catharine, Betty, and George Washington. ... John Washington (Catharine's father) was a first cousin to John Lewis (Fielding's father). ... Augustine Washington (Betty's father) was also a first cousin to John Lewis (Fielding's father). ...Catharine and Betty were first cousins. Catharine and Fielding were second cousins. Betty and Fielding were also second cousins. (Although not shown on the chart, since George [ Washington ] and Betty Washington were brother and sister, George and Fielding [ Lewis ] were also second cousins as well as being brothers-in-law.)

A PART OF THE GENEALOGY OF FIELDING LEWIS - http://www.kenmore.org/genealogy/lewis/wash_lewis_connection.gif

http://www.kenmore.org/foundation/about.html

ABOUT THE GEORGE WASHINGTON FOUNDATION -

" [ ' KENMORE ' is ] ... the Fredericksburg house completed in 1775 by George Washington’s sister Betty and her husband, Colonel Fielding Lewis. ... in 1996 the Kenmore Association, as it was then known, saved another Washington landmark, Ferry Farm, from commercial development. This Stafford County farm where young George grew to manhood is a pastoral piece of property along the Rappahannock River where wildlife abounds and where the earth yields up an abundance of archaeological evidence of its previous residents. At this point in its history, the Association changed its name to George Washington’s Fredericksburg Foundation to reflect its growing stewardship. Also during this time, the Foundation acquired Augustine Washington’s ironworks at Accokeek Furnace in Stafford County. ... In 2008, the Foundation changed its name to The George Washington Foundation. ... The mission of The George Washington Foundation is to enhance the public understanding and appreciation of the lives, values, and legacies of George Washington, Fielding and Betty Washington Lewis, and their families.

[ THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY HISTORICAL CONNECTIONS THAT THAT REPUBLICANS IN WALES HAVE WITH THE REPUBLICANS IN THE WORLD ]

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To: ( THE GEORGE WASHINGTON FOUNDATION )
Subject: " OMNE SOLEM FORTIS PATRIS QUIA PATRIS "
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 01:08:46 +0000

Dear George Washington Foundation,

I write slap-dash rabble-rousing pieces like this - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2732#2732

You can see that in the first part there that I quote your website - you might like to consider the connections in the second part ?

David B. Lawrence


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the moment, if I Gloobubble " OMNE SOLEM FORTIS PATRIS QUIA PATRIS " I get a lot of hits concerning the remarks of 19c travelers who visited Vevey which is on Lake Geneva ...

Two Hundred and Nine Days: Or, The Journal of a Traveller on the Continent, Volume 1 - Thomas Jefferson Hogg - Hunt and Clarke, London - 1827.

P.230 et seq.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vevey ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Ludlow

FRIDAY OCTOBER 27th - I set off at nine in a char with one companion ; we had a pleasant ride for four leagues by the side of the lake and through vineyards to Vevey. ... The town of Vevey is decidedly ugly ... The view from the churchyard of St Martin is fine at all times, especially at sunset. The church is interesting, because it cntains a monument to Edmund Ludlow, erected by his faithful and excellent wife. That celebrated man passed the chief part of his thirty-two years of exile at Vevey, where he was not only entertained with great kindness, but was guarded and protected wit especial care by the magistrates of the place ; as well as the other English fugitives, whose lives were continually exposed to the attacks of hired assassins, for their warm opposition to arbitrary power. We have the following account of one of the attacks upon Ludlow :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Love ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Phelps_(regicide)

" On Saturday, the 14th November 1663, a Savoy boat, about an hour after sunset, arrived at Vevey ; the crew took up their quarters in several inns for that night ; the next morning, as M Dubois, the lieutenant-general's landlord, went out to go to church, he observed the boat lying with four watermen in her, and all of their oars in readiness to put off at a minute's warning ; near the boat, were two persons cloaked, sitting under a tree, and not far from them two more in the same disguise and posture. This alarmed M Dubois, who immediately conjectured their design must be against his lodgers ; he immediately returned home to give them the alarm ; being confirmed in his suspicion from hearing there were six more who had posted themselves, two in the way between his house and the church and four in the market place. Their appearance and garb ( everyone suspecting that they had arms under their cloaks ) had made the town's people observe them so much, that they had all retired from the town towards the lake, and left the passage free for the lieutenant-general and his friends to go to church ; on their return from whence, hearing the strangers were at dinner in one of the inns, a person went down to take a view of the boat, which he found as before described, and a great quantity of straw under which they had concealed their arms ; and that they had cut all the withs, which secured the oars of the town boats, to prevent being pursued : " ( the oars are still fastened with willow bands on the lake of Geneva and in other parts of Switzerland : ) " however, finding themselves watched so narrowly, and being apprehensive, from M Dubois's behaviour, that he would have them seized, soon after they had dined, they took their boat and returned to Savoy."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lisle ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fitz_Edmond_Cotter

By this and several other attempts the government was alarmed, and recommended the fugitives to retire to some place where their enemies would not have the advantage of coming by water to surprise them. Ludlow being intrepid and careless of life, resolved to remain where he was. Mr Lisle, unfortunately, took the advice and went to Luasanne ; where on Thursday, 11th of August, 1664, he was way-laid and shot dead in the church-yard, by a person who had a companion on horseback, with a horse for the assassin, on which ( though knocked down by the recoil from his piece ) he escaped. This cowardly murder has been described in these words : " That notorious regicide Lisle was overtaken by Divine Vengeance at Lausanne, where the miserable wretch was shot dead by the gallantry of three Irish gentlemen, who attempted the surprisal of him and four more impious parricides."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Lisle ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jeffreys,_1st_Baron_Jeffreys

The manner in which the Supreme Being is blasphemously supposed to adopt this heinous crime as his own act, reminds us of subsequent transaction, - the more cowardly murder of the widow of Lisle, one and twenty years after, at Winchester, by the gallantry of the Lord Chief Justice Jeffries, and of Gabriel Whisler, and his fellows, good men and true. " Look you, Mrs Lisle," said his lordship to the aged and infirm prisoner, " we have that charity, as well as justice, that it becomes and is not below all courts to have for persons in your condition ; and we are obliged to take care that you suffer no detriment or injury by any illegal or irregular proceedings ; for though we sit here as judges over you by authority from the king, yet we are accountable not only to him, the King of kings, the Great Judge of heaven and earth ; and therefore are obliged, both by our oaths and upon our consciences, to do you justice, and by the grace of God we shall do it, you may depend upon it : and as to what you say concerning yourself, I pray God with all my heart you may be innocent." It is worthwhile to study the trial of the extraordinary Lady Alice Lisle, if it be only to learn how feeble a thing human iniquity would be without the aid of cant and hypocrisy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Addison ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Broughton

Addison has published in his travels the inscription on the tomb of Ludlow, and the epitaph of Andrew Broughton, who was twice mayor of Maidstone, and clerk to the High Court of Justice, and is also buried in the church of St Martin. He says of Ludlow : " The house he lived in has this inscription over the door :- ' Omne solem forti patria, Quia Patris.' The first part is a piece of verse in Ovid, as the last part is a cant of his own." It ill became Joseph Addison to complain of cant ; nor is the sentiment - that to a brave man every country is the land of his fathers, because it is the land of the Common Father - worthy to be stigmatized with this appellation.

" Omne solem forti patria est ; ut piscabus aequor :
Ut volucri, vacuo quidquid in orbe patet." - Fasti, l.i. v.493.


[ & THERE IS SO MUCH TALK OF " THE LAND OF MY FATHERS " ABOUT WALES YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHERE THAT PHRASE CAME FROM ... ]







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