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... I generally avoid public meetings on the Palestine / Israel issue because I get so angry : it is the potent mix of religion and politics, and the subject of many fantasies - I just want to slap people out of the latter, whether they are pro-war or pro-peace for being pro-pesterously stupid as to think that the complexities of this war are easily sorted. I am often impressed by the patience of Palestinians - but then they are speakers selected for being calm and reasonable - and the optimism of Israelis ( that they can sort this out.)

I don't think that the thing can now be sorted out, I think that the end game is clear : if not actual genocide then something neighouring it in that the Palestinians will be wiped out of history, having no land or being in a minority where a majority claim another identity. Still, I went to a meeting recently and heard people enthuse over the new shoots of activism that might reconcile Jew and Arab and bring peace, and came away with a lot of potential websites to explore but even more depressed to think about the issue - that these are a handful of people when tens of thousands are needed ... I respond better to this kind of humour -

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http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=37 - Israel and Palestine

As mentioned above there is another thread running in which I am working out my neuroses about the Israelis ... whereas I have been feeling for some time that I ought to cultivate some neuroses about the Palestinians too ... just to be even handed ... so a while ago I thought that I would use this thread for complaining about various Palestinians e.g. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Abbas

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=400 - Palestine & Israel
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Having been caught up for a while in a private issue on the other thread ( see above ) I think that it is time to put in some effort here - partly because nobody can not be an authority on this subject but everybody can be concerned ... and my concern is that Netanyahu is planning for a one-state solution - which is why Obama finally withdrew support from Israel at the UN Security Council in order to try and distance The USA from what is about to happen in ... well I think that it will happen in 2017 ... the one-state solution will be to reduce everything to the shared single state of murderous mayhem for Israeli and Palestinian alike ?


The Empire Files: Inside Palestine’s Refugee Camps




The Empire Files: Home Demolitions for Illegal Settlements Surging

Published on 31 Oct 2016

The demolition of Palestinian homes for Israeli settlements reached a ten-year high in 2016. While this activity led by the fanatical settler movement is illegal under international law, it is completely aided and abetted by the Israeli government.

With hundreds on notice to be evicted and their homes destroyed, Abby Martin goes on-the-ground throughout the West Bank investigating this dire human rights situation. She speaks to residents living under regular settler attacks from encroaching settlements and outposts illegal even under Israeli law, and sees first-hand how this crisis is worsening.
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The fact is that it is difficult to follow any situation as complicated as the Common Aggro-Cultural Policy towards the scattering of The Seeds of Evil ... even The People in The Situation who can speak with more authority than anybody else given their experiences have a partial if not sectarian view of it.

Where then to seek a better over-view of The Situation ... how do you judge the value of information given by those you have have difficulty talking to - who are on the other side ... those you want to restore The Rule of Law to ... and even where both sides talk of Peace how can they enter into peace talks ... perhaps we should talk of fetching buckets of steam and providing sky-hooks to remedy situations which we have nothing to do with ...

... perhaps we should treat The People in Misery as merely info-tainment ... ?



Fatah and Hamas to form unity government

Agreement reached after three days of talks in Moscow paving the way for the formation of a new National Council.


The Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority has agreed to form a unity government with rival organisation Hamas, Al Jazeera has learned. ... The agreement was reached late on Tuesday after a three-day negotiation in the Russian capital, Moscow. ... The two organisations will form a new National Council, which will include Palestinians in exile and hold elections.
... "Today the conditions for [such an initiative] are better than ever," Azzam al-Ahmad, a senior Fatah official, said. ... The deal also includes the Islamic Jihad group, which had not been involved in negotiations for a long time.


'Russian approach'

... In an interview with Al Jazeera, Khaled Elgindy, a senior Brookings Institute fellow and former adviser on peace negotiations, said it is still not clear how different the latest agreement is to previous deals. ... Elgindy said the "most important factor" prompting the unity agreement is the leadership change in Washington DC. ... "President Abbas may be looking to shore up his domestic position, and to insulate himself from what he sees maybe as a very hostile administration coming into Washington," he said. ... Al Jazeera's Natasha Ghoneim, reporting from Moscow, said the agreement in Russia signals the Palestinians "looking away" from the United States, which has been involved in the peace process for decades. ... "Historically, peace discussions have been dominated by the US. They are looking for a different approach, and Russia certainly offered a different approach," she said. ...
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I am still not paying enough attention to the Palestinian side of things - but Karma Nabulsi probably is and anybody could have voted for her ...


Higher education’s most inspiring leader shortlist 2017

The Guardian Higher Education Network is delighted to reveal the shortlist for the Inspiring Leader 2017 award.

This award honours a leader who has brought out the best in their team and achieved exceptional results. They champion innovation and collaboration, deliver real change, and inspire the higher education community.

The five names below were selected by our expert judging panel but the winner will be chosen by you, the readers.

Voting is now closed. The winner will be announced at the Guardian University Awards ceremony in London on 29 March.

Janet Beer, vice-chancellor, University of Liverpool
Leszek Borysiewicz, vice-chancellor, University of Cambridge
Martin Eve, professor of literature, Birkbeck University
Chris Husbands, vice-chancellor, Sheffield Hallam University

Karma Nabulsi, professor of politics, University of Oxford

Karma lectures on social movements and philosophies of war and peace to students in the department of politics and international relations at the University of Oxford, where she is currently director of undergraduate studies. She is an Oxford UCU equalities officer, and a member of the staff BME network. She recently directed “The Palestinian Revolution”, a bilingual Arabic-English digital teaching resource exploring Palestinian revolutionary thought and practice in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Sponsored by the British Academy, the endeavour was a collaboration with universities, institutes and museums across the global south specialising in anti-colonial history.

What the judges say: “Without her patience, dedication and commitment the experiences of numerous students at Oxford and elsewhere would have been immeasurably poorer. She avoids all self-celebration, but it is hard to imagine a more worthy recipient.”
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It can be difficult to decide which side of the mess we are arguing about.
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Hamas Covenant

The Hamas Covenant also known as Hamas Charter, refers to the Charter of the Hamas, issued on 18 August 1988, outlining the movement founding identity, stand, and aims.[1]

The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[2] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[3][4] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."[5] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[6] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam.[1]

In 2008, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, stated that Hamas would agree to accept a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, and to offer a long-term truce with Israel.[7] In contrast to this, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar stated that any talk of the 1967 lines is "just a phase" until Hamas has a chance to "regain the land...even if we [Hamas] have to do so inch by inch."[8] Other Hamas leaders, including Ismail Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal have also stated repeatedly that "Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it,"[9] and that "we shall not relinquish the Islamic waqf on the land of Palestine, and Jerusalem shall not be divided into Western and Eastern Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a single united [city], and Palestine stretches from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and from Naqoura [Rosh Ha-Niqra] to Umm Al-Rashrash [Eilat] in the south."[10][11]
In 2009 interviews with the BBC, Tony Blair claimed that Hamas does not accept the existence of Israel and continues to pursue its objectives through terror and violence; Sir Jeremy Greenstock however argued that Hamas has not adopted its charter as part of its political program since it won the Palestinian legislative election, 2006.[12] Instead it has moved to a more secular stance.[13]
In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[14] Hamas has moved away from its charter since it decided to run candidates for office.[13]

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Relevance of the Charter in the 21st century
3 Content 3.1 Statements about Israel

4 Anti-Semitism claims
5 See also
6 References
7 External links


In 1987, twenty years after the 1967 war, the First Intifada (1987–1993) began.[15] In the late 1980s, the PLO sought a negotiated solution with Israel in the form of a two-state solution. This was not acceptable to Hamas, the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood,[16] and the covenant was written to bridge the ideological gap between the PLO and Muslim Brotherhood.[17] According to Hamas's Deputy Foreign Minister Dr. Ahmed Yousef, the Charter "was ratified during the unique circumstances of the Uprising in 1988 as a necessary framework for dealing with a relentless occupation".[18]

While the PLO was nationalistic, it was more secular in nature, while Hamas subscribed to a neo-Salafi jihadi theology and nationalism.[16] Hamas was a shift from the Muslim Brotherhood's more universal Islamic vision to a focus on Palestinian nationalism and a strategy of armed struggle, or violent jihad.[17] Its political goals were identical to those of the PLO's charter and was essentially an armed struggle to retrieve the entire land of Palestine as an Islamic waqf.[17]

Relevance of the Charter in the 21st century[edit]

Dr. Ahmed Yousef, an adviser to Ismail Haniyeh (the senior political leader of Hamas) claimed that Hamas has changed its views with time since the charter was issued in 1988.[18] In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[14]

In 2006, Hamas proposed government programme, which stated that "the question of recognizing Israel is not the jurisdiction of one faction, nor the government, but a decision for the Palestinian people."[19][20] However many remain sceptical of Hamas's new stance, and view it as a ploy to hide its true agenda, "but it is equally true that the “new” discourse of diluted religious content—to say nothing of the movement’s increasing pragmatism and flexibility in the political domain—reflects genuine and cumulative changes within Hamas."[13]

Article 1 describes Hamas as an Islamic Resistance Movement with an ideological programme of Islam.[21]
Article 2 of Hamas' Charter defines Hamas as a "universal movement" and "one of the branches of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine".[17][21][22][23]
Article 3 the Movement consists of "Muslims who have given their allegiance to Allah".[21]
Article 4 the Movement "welcomes every Muslim who embraces its faith, ideology, follows its programme, keeps its secrets, and wants to belong to its ranks and carry out the duty."[21]
Article 5 Demonstrates its Salafist roots and connections to the Muslim brotherhood. [21]
Article 6 Hamas is uniquely Palestinian,[24] and "strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned."[17][21]
Article 7 describes Hamas as "one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders" and links the movement to the followers of the religious and nationalist hero Izz ad-Din al-Qassam.[21][23]
Article 8 The Hamas document reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood's slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur'an its constitution, jihad its path, and death for the sake of Allah its most sublime belief."[17][21]
Article 9 adapts Muslim Brotherhood's vision to connect the Palestinian crisis with the Islamic solution and advocates "fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail".[21]
Article 11 Palestine is sacred (waqf) for all Muslims for all time, and it cannot be relinquished by anyone.[21]
Article 12 affirms that "Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed" .[21]
Article 13 There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.[21]
Article 14 The liberation of Palestine is the personal duty of every Palestinian.[21]
Article 15 "The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim". It states the history of crusades into Muslim lands and says the "Palestinian problem is a religious problem".[21]
Article 16 Describes how to go about educating future generations.[21]
Article 20 Calls for action "by the people as a single body" against "a vicious enemy which acts in a way similar to Nazism, making no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people".[21]
Article 22 Makes sweeping claims about Jewish influence and power. [21][25]
Article 28 Conspiracy charges against Israel and the whole of the Jewish people: "Israel, Judaism and Jews".[21][25]
Article 31 Describes Hamas as "a humanistic movement", which "takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions". "Under the wing of Islam", it is possible for Islam, Christianity and Judaism "to coexist in peace and quiet with each other" provided that members of other religions do not dispute the sovereignty of Islam in the region.[21]
Article 32 Hamas condemns as co-plotters the “imperialistic powers”.[25] References The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[21][26]

Statements about Israel[edit]

The Preamble to the Charter states: ″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam invalidates it, just as it invalidated others before it″.

Anti-Semitism claims[edit]

According to Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, "The Hamas credo is not just anti-Israel, but profoundly anti-Semitic with racism at its core. The Hamas Charter reads like a modern-day Mein Kampf." According to the charter, Jewish people "have only negative traits and are presented as planning to take over the world."[27] The charter claims that the Jews deserve God's/Allah's enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.[28] It quotes a saying of Muhammad from a hadith:

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)[29]

The charter goes further in detailing how Jihad against the Jews is a duty. "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."[30]

The charter contains references to anti-Semitic canards, such as the assertion that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Jews were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews, without distinction of whether they are in Israel or elsewhere.[31] It presents the Arab–Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam, adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom.

See also[edit]
Contemporary imprints of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Fatah–Hamas conflict
Human rights in the Palestinian territories
Islamic fundamentalism
List of political parties in the State of Palestine
Palestinian political violence


1.^ Jump up to: a b "Hamas Covenant 1988: The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement". The Avalon Project: Documents in Law, History and Diplomacy. Yale Law School. August 18, 1988. Retrieved February 15, 2009.
2.Jump up ^ "Israeli Official Says Hamas Has Made Abbas Irrelevant" The New York Times, February 27, 2006
3.Jump up ^ "Covenant of Hamas". Retrieved February 24, 2009.
4.Jump up ^ The Palestinian Hamas By Shaul Mishal, Avraham Sela. Retrieved February 9, 2009.
5.Jump up ^ "Hamas Covenant 1988". Yale Law School Avalon Project. Retrieved 7 September 2014. "[part of Article 13 of the Covenant] There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
6.Jump up ^ Article 31 of the Hamas Charter (1988) Yale Law School: The Avalon Project
7.Jump up ^ Haniyeh: Hamas willing to accept Palestinian state with 1967 borders Haaretz (09-11-08)Retrieved 27th May 2011
8.Jump up ^ "Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar Slams PA President Abbas for "Aimless Kangaroo-Like" Political Gymnastics and Says: We Will Not Relinquish Any Piece of Palestinian Land". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014.
9.Jump up ^ "Hamas Leader Khaled Mash'al: We Will Not Relinquish an Inch of Palestine, from the River to the Sea". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014.
10.Jump up ^ "Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, in Visit to Tunisia: We Shall Not Relinquish Palestine, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014.
11.Jump up ^ "Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya Reaffirms Hamas' Commitment to Armed Resistance and Says: We Will Liberate Palestine in Its Entirety, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River". Memri TV. Retrieved 22 July 2014.
12.Jump up ^ "BBC Today Programme interview with Sir Jeremy Greenstock, January 12, 2009". BBC News. January 12, 2009. Retrieved May 27, 2010.
13.^ Jump up to: a b c A “New Hamas” through Its New Documents. Khaled Hroub, Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol 35, no. 1 (Summer 2006), p. 6. On web.archive.org
14.^ Jump up to: a b Mazin Qumsiyeh on the History and Practice Of Nonviolent Palestinian Resistance Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May–June 2010, pp. 40-42
15.Jump up ^ 1987:First Intifada May 6, 2008BBC
16.^ Jump up to: a b The PLO Charters of 1964 and 1968 and the Hamas Charter of 1988 By Philipp Holtmann
17.^ Jump up to: a b c d e f The Palestinian Hamas: vision, violence, and coexistence Shaul Mishal, Avraham Sela]
18.^ Jump up to: a b Hamas Charter: Vision, Fact and Fiction Palestine Chronicle (23/1/2011)Retrieved 27th may 2011
19.Jump up ^ Hamas should hold a vote on recognizing Israel CBS Business Retrieved 31st may 2011[dead link]
20.Jump up ^ Israel's Likud, Hamas square off over future relations(March 12, 2006)Retrieved 31st May 2011
21.^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t Hamas Covenant 1988, Avalon.
22.Jump up ^ HAMAS Between Violence and Pragmatism By Marc A. Walther
23.^ Jump up to: a b pg 4 American Jewish Congress Yehudit Barsky HAMAS- The Islamic Resistance Movement of Palestine
24.Jump up ^ Hamas Covenant 1988 Retrieved 27th May 2011
25.^ Jump up to: a b c Reform Judaism Online The 'Protocols' of Hamas Steven Leonard Jacobs - Winter 2007
26.Jump up ^ Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs Analysis of the Hamas Charter January 8, 2006
27.Jump up ^ [1] Anti-Semitism at Core of Hamas Charter. ADL Retrieved 27th May 2011 Archived May 25, 2011, at the Wayback Machine.
28.Jump up ^ The Anti-Semitism of Hamas by Meir Litvak in Islamophobia and anti-Semitism pg 87
29.Jump up ^ Hamas Covenant 1988 Avalon project Retrieved 27th May 2011
30.Jump up ^ The Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988
31.Jump up ^ Hamas Charter (1988) Retrieved 27th May 2011

External links[edit]
An English translation of the Covenant




What will Hamas charter change mean for Israel?

In the coming weeks, Hamas is due to unveil the draft of a revised charter that softens the movement's positions on the conflict with Israel. Talking to the London-based newspaper Asharq al-Awsat, Hamas sources said that the salient changes to the document include recognition of the 1967 borders and replacement of the term “Jews,” described as enemies, with the term “occupiers.” The draft will probably also include an announcement about severing ties with the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas' original charter underscores the affinity between the movement and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, known for its rejection of any diplomatic process with Israel. Nonetheless, the new charter, like the original document, will not include recognition of the State of Israel and will rule out any concession on the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.



New Hamas Charter Would Name ‘Occupiers,’ Not ‘Jews,’ as the Enemy


CAIRO — Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist group that has governed the Gaza Strip for a decade, is drafting a new platform to present a more pragmatic and cooperative face to the world, Hamas officials confirmed on Thursday.

The document would represent a departure from the group’s contentious 1988 charter, in which it promised to “obliterate” Israel and characterized its struggle as specifically against Jews. The new document defines Hamas’s enemies as “occupiers.”

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

The new document would accept borders of the territory captured by Israel in the 1967 war as the basis for a Palestinian state. It would not recognize Israel, however, nor would it give up future claims to all of what Hamas considers Palestinian lands.

Mr. Nounou said the document, the result of four years of work, is not yet final and has not yet been approved by Hamas’s governing bodies. Nor are its contents wholly new, even though they seem now to carry both practical and symbolic weight, particularly in Hamas’s relations with Egypt.



Hamas official: Group's new charter to address antisemitic language

By Daniel J. Roth / January 26, 2017 12:15

Pressed on a time-frame for the release of the supposed revised charter, the senior Hamas official did not specify an exact date.
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That lists two events but there is another joint meeting of the UNA and PSC 7pm Temple of Peace 11th July 2017 ehere the speaker will be Iyad Burnat






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