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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cardiff Illuminati read many books before we burned them_Whilst The " Welsh " " Socialist " " Republicans " were fearful lest we turned them_Into Pure Republicans - subscribing to Morality_Preaching Universal Love and Political Plurality :_They chose Class Hatred and they were infiltrated - framed - and then everybody spurned them ... = dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !

The Cardiff Illuminati read many books before we burned them_
Whilst The " Welsh " " Socialist " " Republicans " were fearful lest we turned them_
Into Pure Republicans - subscribing to Morality_
Preaching Universal Love and Political Plurality :_
So they chose Class Hatred and were framed - infiltrated - and then everybody spurned them ...
They chose Class Hatred and they were infiltrated - framed - and then everybody spurned them ...

= dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM46h2Ah5nQ - The Open Conspiracy
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Now it is not entirely by chance that I was considering " Y Llaw Agored " as a new badge for The Republicans in Wales in order to get away from /|\ and >|< which are compromised ... I like the " Manus " because of its connotations about being an ordinary sort of bloke who just wants to survive the wars started by The Monocrats and The Aristocrats and The Democrats and The Hierocrats - " Yes " - this bloke thinks - " It is necessary to defend The Republic in Rome ... but to be honest I would prefer to be at home with the wife and kids ... and who the hell keeps starting all of these wars anyway ? ... The Roman Empire is not just declining and falling its ... Oh - I just do not know ... personally - and I am not being a Roman Nationalist here, whatever anybody else wants to think - I blame The Emigrants ! "

" [ - ] " - " PLAID Y REPWBLIC " - ? ... well that is what this thread is called - but do I really want to start a " party " - ? ... I am certainly not cut out to be a " Master of Men " ... let alone women ... I am not in any way suitably qualified to be The Saviour of The Republic in Wales ... but on the other hand I increasingly get the feeling that I may becoming rather too well qualified for the role of John The Baptist having received some unexpected kinds of surveillance attention recently which I do not think was being legally i.e. officially done ... Something that I am more certain about - because it can not possibly be considered to be the result of paranoia - is that there are a number of The Academics in Wales who are not only suitably qualified to be political leaders but who also want lead a conventional party of some kind of Civic Republican Democratic sort ... except that they will not come forward to do this : I know because I have argued the case for it with them upon the following lines - " Look at these bookshelves stacked high with books about all sorts of Republicanism : they are all dog-eared and clearly thoroughly read by your students and you teach them Republicanism as a necessary part of many university courses : Politics, Literature, History, Art, Economics, Sociology etc - not to mention Philosophy - and furthermore you claim to subscribe to Republicanism - yet you will not even publicly explain it yet alone advocate it ... " ... " David you do not understand ! " ...

What I do understand is that The Democrats in Wales and Westminster fund the teaching of Civic Republicanism in universities by paying millions of pounds of money to them from the taxes paid by The People in Wales - yet they are still insisting on persisting in resisting our subsisting and coexisting - still de-enlisting not re-enlisting but black-listing those un-assisting yet un-resisiting the non-desisting in untwisting the existing misting consisting of pre-existing irrational unreasonable ignorant prejudiced bigotry which The Democrats in Wales erupt into at the mere mention of any Republicanism - let alone The Republicans in Wales ! ... What further evidence does anybody need of the hypocrisy of The Democrats in Wales and The World ? ... Well how about The Demockeratic State of Wales instead - where ONE IN FIVE of The People in Wales freely identify themselves as " Republican " yet the only time that they ever get the option of voting for a Republican candidate is when a lone individual scrapes together the money necessary for a lost deposit. How can it be that a political identity professed by 20% of The Electorate in Wales has no representation in what is loudly and proudly professed to be not merely a Good Democracy but argued to be " Probably The Best Ever Democracy in The World " - ?

I will tell you why : because 222 years ago in 1794 in order to deal with their pacifist - PACIFIST - political critics The Republicans - who were insisting that the war against France would not be over by yet another Christmas - The Democrats in Westminster declared war upon The Republicans and the man who was backing them ... and who then deserted them : The Prince of Wales - hence Iolo's " /|\ " is probably - amongst other things - " The Three Feathers Inverted "... The Republicans in Wales were objecting to the war whilst also objecting to atrocities being committed by The " Republicans " in France - just as Muslims are right now objecting to the wars of The United Kingdom being perpetrated against Muslims whilst also objecting to atrocities being committed by the " Muslims " in The Middle East ... and you know what The Supporters of The United Kingdom are doing to The Real Muslims in Wales right now so that they can sweep any opposition to their wars aside ... so you can understand what The Supporters of The United Kingdom started doing to The Republicans in Wales in 1794 - only they have never ever stopped doing it : they are still doing it NOW ... After more than two hundred years of constant propaganda by The Supporters of The United Kingdom portraying Republicanism as a criminal conspiracy Against Things Quite Decent even those who claim to subscribe to " Republicanism " derive their ideas as to what it is from this propaganda : so let me knock three myths on the head to start with -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_Against_the_Monarchy

- " As Republicans we are against The Royal Family " ... this is MAM's stance - NO ! - Republicans advocate " The Rule of Law " and oppose " Sovereignty " which is the non-political non-principle by which non-laws are made to permit law-breaking for the supposed purposes of upholding " The Rule of Law " - which is plainly self-contradictory ! ... In the middle of The War Against The First French Republic there were insurrections in Ireland where The People in Ireland were becoming desperate and in order to exercise more control over them The Union of Great Britain and Ireland annexed Ireland which in the struggle to get their parliament back led The Protestants to start arguing for The Catholics to be made equal before The Rule of Law so that they could give them the vote and so they could regain their parliament - which set in train the whole series of events which led to " The Irish Republic " which is but a bit of The United Kingdom sawn off and painted green as far as The Republicans in Ireland are concerned. Prior to this nobody had really bothered discussing the issue of " Sovereignty " before - for those who tried were promptly hanged for their presumption - and Victorian political theorists were then much taxed by trying to prove the false claim that The United Kingdom can have both " Sovereignty " and " The Rule of Law " at the same time ...

... One of the things which came out of this debate was " The Treason Felony Act 1848 " which associates any argument for " The Sovereignty in Wales " being vested in " The People in Wales " with the idea of an actual physical assault upon a member of The Royal Family e.g. singing " Y Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau " whilst alone in the bath is de facto the crime of Treason Felony : the penalty used to be death but The People in Wales were not deterred and invented mass choral singing in order to defy The Supporters of The United Kingdom and the whole thing came to a head in The Royal Albert Hall when The Prince of Wales decided to join in as well because he wanted to annoy Queen Victoria. Please note the thread on Y Repwblic about The Treason Felony Act 1848 not having been taken off The Statute Book when technically it died with The Human Rights Act 1998 - but if that is repealed by Theresa May then Treason Felony may become a crime again ... My own attitude to " Sovereignty " is that it does not exist : you can not legislate imaginary things into existence. " The Rule of Law " is not incompatible with having The Royal Family if they do not have this kind of false " Sovereignty " vested in their persons and then cited by The Democrats as a licence to disregard " The Rule of Law." " True " " Sovereignty " is an attribute of God Himself which was bestowed upon The Queen in The Coronation Ceremony : it is a theological idea used in religious rites and so as a Non-Theist I can allow it to be used by others so long as they know that their own religious texts state that The Coronation Ceremony is technically a blasphemy.

... And my own attitude to " The Royal Family " ? ... I try to be both Rational and Reasonable about it ... " The Rule of Law " is to applied without exceptions : it does not remedy all of the injustices in society but creates a way for The People in Wales to try - and certainly there are some who talk with hatred of " The Royal Family " whilst also swearing at beggars in the street - and equate the two ... When I was seven years old it was 1969 and The Investiture of The Prince of Wales - and loathed it : The People in Wales were worshiping human beings - and still are : footballers, weather presenters, me ... This is basically the same mechanism which results in Racism and Sexism - it has nothing to do with the person that it is projected onto : so - replace the words " The Royal Family " with " Minority Ethnic Group " and perhaps you will see them the way that I see them ... not to be envied - but pitied instead ... True -even if it does have wheels it is still a gilded cage which Queen Elizabeth lives in - and ... how old is she now ? ... 90 !!! ... HELL ... LOOK GUYS - I DID NOT REALISE THAT HER SITUATION WAS SO BAD : WE OUGHT TO URGENTLY DEVISE A PLAN TO RESTORE THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF THIS MINORITY ETHNIC GROUP : FOR CRYING OUT LOUD - HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF TRUE PATRIOTISM ? - THOSE ARE WELSH CORGIS YOU KNOW - WELSH !!!

We were concerned about the corgis because their lives were a living hell :_They never got their walkies and so they began to swell._We sent The Free Wales Army to do a parachute jump_But when they landed upon the palace's roof Elizabeth heard the bump :_She then provided them with a ladder upon the condition that she went as well = "Nghrrrariad ! Liz is simply driving me nuts !_We've just got to get rid of her - so no ifs and no buts !_What do you mean they won't take her back ?_Hell - and I thought that we were The Most Black !_ BUT OH NO NO NO : SHE HAS TO GO - BOTH HER AND ALL THESE MUTTS !" = "eRhuh-hu-hum - Ma'm - er - no - um - Mizz ??_I am the - man - um - from the - oh ! - LOOK : I am here to do The Bizz :_The Free Wales Army is a professional military machine and - ? _ Um - er -and - er - also inspect The Cambria Band ?_SITTING ON A HORSE ? Now surely you must be pulling my leg - MIZZ LIZZ ! " = This was all - of course - well covered up_And The Free Wales Army are not so tup_For upon a clothes horse they put a saddle_And The Free Wales Navy then used his paddle_To coracle ER past their disloyal troop - after which she brewed them up a cup = From amidst the picnic's pleasant babble_A loud voice rang out "Oi ! Peasant rabble !_We - that is the corgis and I -_Have been enjoying ourselves and now you must try_To do so too : how about a game of Scrabble ?" = Charles mourned for a while_And just could not smile :_For him being The King_Was just not his thing_And he bitterly envied his mother's exile.


" THE QUEEN IN WALES "

We were concerned about the corgis because their lives were a living hell :_
They never got their walkies and so they began to swell._
Hence we sent for The Free Wales Army to do a parachute jump_
But when they landed upon the palace's roof then Elizabeth heard the bump :_
But she provided them with a ladder - upon the condition that she went as well !
She then provided them with a ladder - upon the condition that she went as well !

" Nghrrrariad ! Liz is simply driving me nuts !_
We've just got to get rid of her - so no ifs - and no buts !_
What do you mean they won't take her back ?_
Hell - and I thought that we were The Most Black !_
BUT OH NO NO NO : SHE HAS TO GO - BOTH HER AND ALL OF THESE MUTTS ! "

" eRhuh-hu-hum - Ma'm - er - no - um - Mizz ??_
I am the - man - um - from the - oh ! - LOOK : I am here to do The Bizz :_
The Free Wales Army is a professional military machine and - ? _
Um - er -and - Oh ? - To also inspect The Cambria Band ?_
SITTING ON A HORSE ? Now surely you must be pulling my leg - MIZZ LIZZ ! "

This was all - of course - well covered up_
And The Free Wales Army are not so tup_
For upon a clothes horse they put a saddle_
And The Free Wales Navy then used his paddle_
To coracle ER past their disloyal troop - after which she brewed them up a cup.

From amidst the picnic's pleasant babble_
A loud voice rang out " Oi ! Peasant rabble !_
We - that is the corgis and I -_
Have been enjoying ourselves and now you must try_
To do so too : how about a game of Scrabble ? "

Charles mourned for a while_
And just could not smile :_
For him being The King_
Was just not his thing_
And he bitterly envied his mother's exile.

[ 12-11-16 : I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS CRUEL TO PART LIZ & PHIL AFTER SO MANY YEARS OF MARRIAGE ... ]

Phillip was very lonely and he was concerned by this debacle_
So he hurried back to Greece at once to consult a mystic oracle_
Which revealed to him exactly where to find his missing wife -_
And at once he found himself so charmed - by the sight of her new life -_
That he joined her here in Wales with glee - and they soon learned how to coracle !

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ... I was beginning to feel that writing on Y Repwblic is grinding me down a bit because of having to be so serious about my irresponsibilities towards others... so I decided to write something else - elsewhere ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Republicanism_in_the_United_Kingdom#Name_of_the_republic

== Name of the republic ==

What is the proposed name of the Republic? The Republic of Great Britain? [[User:Lugevas|Lugevas]] ([[User talk:Lugevas|talk]]) 13:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:I'm not aware of any sources that give a proposed name. I believe [[Republic (political organisation)]] talk about "a British Republic", but the use of the indefinite article seems to indicate a lack of fixedness on the question of a name. [[User:Polly Tunnel|Polly Tunnel]] ([[User talk:Polly Tunnel|talk]]) 18:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::There is now nearly five hundred years of Republican philosophies, movements and parties within what is presently called " The United Kingdom " - and I am very unhappy having just discovered this page that " Anti-Monarchism " is being equated with " Republicanism " which is a nonsense : Republicanism is named after Cicero's De Re Publica and it is about " The Rule of Law " and in contrast to " Sovereignty " i.e. in total opposition to the idea that laws can be passed that place anybody above, below or otherwise outside of " The Rule of Law " - which does not exclude the institution of " The Royal Family " provided that they are subject to " The Rule of Law." The present situation in " The United Kingdom " is that " Sovereignty " is being increasingly cited to justify - arresting, holding, prosecuting and jailing people all in secret ; - excusing from being subject to various laws The Agencies of The State e.g. The Secret Inteligence Services, Police, Courts, Parliaments, Ministries, Armed Forces etc ; - licencing further degrees of surveillance e.g. into private bank accounts, phone lines, email accounts etc and for the most trivial offences such as not placing the rubbish bins out on the right day or failing to attend appointments ; - in short : whilst " The United Kingdom " does indeed have a written constitution it is not one single document and even the government's own lawyers admit that even if they can find the relevant parts of the constitution they often prove to be contradictory and can not decide it ...

... Most of the constitutional lawyers would agree that " The United Kingdom " is in effect a dictatorship - but in most dictatorships the person who appears to be the lone autocrat has to rely upon a body of other powerful people supporting them ... In " The United Kingdom " the same is the case in theory - BUT : the other members of The Cabinet at No10 Downing Street are not powerful people whose opinions can not be disregarded so The Prime Minister simply dismisses those who do not support them ... the whole political system depends upon those in power being well-behaved - and it can be argued that even if there is a constitution all political systems rely upon the same principle ... the counter-argument is to ask how anybody's behaviour is to be judged if there is no agreed written account of what " well-behaved " means ... as to what to call this " future " republic - that question assumes that " The United Kingdom " is " not a republic " because it has " The Royal Family " : but this question is irrelevant to a Republican because Republicanism is not Anti-Monarchism - and I am telling you this as Wales' most prominent - notorious even - advocate of Republicanism : I am David B Lawrence - " dai repwblic " - meta-ideologist, raconteur, politico and poet - and I write on Wikipedia using my bardic name " Dai Saw " ... So please take my word for this - " The United Kingdom " was shaped and recreated time after time according to the then prevalent political theories and they were all known as " Republican " political theories and that is why " The United States of America " was founded as a " Republic " - not a Democracy - in its constitutional documents : the " rebels " were the 18c politicians in " The United Kingdom " who in hoping to raise new taxes in the colonies went against the agreed political consensus which was - Republican ! ... That is why the colonists had so many sympathisers and advocates like the - Republican ! - Edmund Burke ... In mid 18c London the rebel to invite to The Royal Family's dinner was the celebrated Corsican Pasquale Paoli - The Republican who created the first modern Revolution ! ...

... But everything changed with The French Revolution whose sympathisers were targeted by " The Two Acts " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_Meetings_Act_1795 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_Act_1795 - and of course Edmund Burke and others sympathised with the ideals professed but vigorously opposed what was being done in the name of " Republicanism " in favour of their own tradition : in other words the French word " Republique " which in English was rendered as " Republic " and in Welsh as " Repyblic " - modern spelling " Repwblic " - became associated first of all with fanaticism, then criminality and then as the war began those who continued to advocate it were deemed to be allied to the French and were damned as traitors ... Laws were passed against those who persisted publicly advocating for " The Republic " and so most withdrew away from the word and emphasised their patriotic credentials by returning to the English word for it - " The Commonwealth." ... Now if you can find the relevant constitutional documents you will find that word being used in them e.g. " The Commonwealth of The United Kingdom " - i.e. if you would kindly stop ignorantly equating " Republicanism " with " Anti-Monarchism " - and instead refer to our actual political theory - you will find that " The United Kingdom " is not merely technically a " Republic " but actually ( supposedly ) it legally is one. You would like some more accessible and tangible evidence ? Prior to The French Revolution there were very few bank notes in circulation in " The United Kingdom " but many of them had Latin mottoes on them such are still displayed on the bank notes of the Bank of Ireland ( a Loyalist bank in Belfast - i.e. not " anti-monarchist " - it was granted its banking charter with this motto by " The United Kingdom " before The French Revolution - so : perhaps some good evidence ?)

" Bona Fides Reipublicae Stabilitas " = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

I provided the link to " The Glorious Revolution " because the constitution is basically still that settled in 1688 - in terms of the early Republican political theory of " The Four Estates " I now identify " The United Kingdom " as neither a Democracy nor a Monocracy : " The United Kingdom " as created by The ( political ) Union of Scotland and England in 1707 was explicitly an Aristocracy and it still is - even though their complete control of Westminster was broken by The Parliament Act in 1911 the Aristocracy still basically control " The United Kingdom " because they still control The City of London e.g. in the recent banking crisis when The City of London over-reached itself in reckless investments which promised to bankrupt The Aristocracy - possibly still the wealthiest community in The World - the " non-political " system as I have described it - " The United Kingdom " was required to bail them out by taxing the poorest communities in Britain ... The result of the recent European Referendum reflects the fact that in effect one wealthy donor decided to change the fate not only of the 70,000,000 or so inhabitants of Britain but arguably 4,000,000,000 or so more across The World to secure his bank from failure : The European Union was just about to implement new banking rules to remove the protectionism enjoyed by banks in The City of London.

Personally - since I am a pragmatic person and so advocate " Inter-dependence within The European Union " - and since I am greatly interested in what happened in the 1790s and how a perfectly useful - indeed celebrated - political theory became so villified and buried in undeserved ignomy by vicious propagandists on behalf of " The Aristocracy in The United Kingdom " claiming to defend " The Monarchy " which de facto had ceased to exist over a century before hand - I like to advocate what others did in the 1790s - " The United Republic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_United_Scotsmen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_United_Irishmen

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S0020859000008221

- AND PLEASE : ANTI-MONARCHISM IS NOT REPUBLICANISM - PLEASE : READ SOME PROPER BOOKS - GET A CORRECT AND ORTHODOX VIEW OF REPUBLICANISM !

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/0198296428.001.0001/acprof-9780198296423

Republicanism: A Theory of Freedom and Government - Philip Pettit - Oxford University Press

Abstract

The long republican tradition is characterized by a conception of freedom as non‐domination, which offers an alternative, both to the negative view of freedom as non‐interference and to the positive view of freedom as self‐mastery. The first part of the book traces the rise and decline of the conception, displays its many attractions and makes a case for why it should still be regarded as a central political ideal. The second part of the book looks at the sorts of political and civil institutions that would be required in a society in which freedom as non‐domination is systematically fostered. It outlines the causes and policies, the constitutional and democratic forms, and the regulatory controls that a republican state ought to endorse. And it argues for a vision of the state's relation to civil society in which there is no pretence of doing without widespread civility and trust; the argument is that the state ought, at once, to foster and build on such extra‐political foundations.~~~~


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Well ... I do like to help people you see ... but of course in truly being The ( Very ) Pure Republican I simply do not believe in enforcing certain Human Rights e.g. " everybody has the right to my opinion."

https://www.swindon24.co.uk/news/pavement-poet-banned-from-town-centre/

" The Pavement Poet " was willing to listen to my lecture about the symbol which he had proudly chalked in Greyfriars this afternoon - because he was interested in the fact as he imagined it - as " Awen " - that this is some kind of symbol to do with Welsh poetic inspiration i.e. as " The Three Heavenly Rays " of " The Druids " - so when I explained to this soon to be both perplexed and then alarmed Englishman that this is " Y Nod Cryfin " - " The Secret Mark " - and that it was primarily a political not a poetical symbol to do with Republicanism in Wales because of Iolo Morannwg who had been thrown into jail in Cardiff Castle - just around the corner there - for not paying his tithes to The Church of England - whereupon he began to worship " IOU " and devised a " Druidic " writing based upon something like his tax tallies - and fathered bastards upon medieval poets - and eventually wrote Barddas and - oh ? - well ... I suppose that I will run into you again som- ... oh ... well ... I mean - you know - obviously I would not want to hold you up if you have such a long way to go home and are in such a hurry ... um ... Astounding - and you travel every day all the way from - where ? - is that still in Europe ? ... And you are never ever going to return to Cardiff ever - never - again ? ... Oh ... Would you like to hear one of my poems - I do them in my phone and I have ... Oh ... Bye then ... bye ... >sniffle< ...



[ Tuesday - having run into Danny Rowlands again this afternoon I was walking away - after another brief conversation about his forthcoming book and our differing attitudes to copyright - and then out of admiration I paused and wrote him this tribute poem and returned to give it to him : gone ... but perhaps he will get to read it here and be pleased by the free advertisement : please note that he does not agree with me - and this is definitely not to be construed as an endorsement by him of Y Repwblic.]

I much admire " The Pavement Poet "_But I am rather shy to admit and show it_I like his choice of mystic motifs_And I do agree with his honest motives_But of course as " dai repwblic " - I will blow it ! = HALFWAY THROUGH THIS A LINK TO ANTI-POET LAW = http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4259#4259

I much admire " The Pavement Poet "_
But I am rather shy to admit and show it_
I like his choice of mystic motifs_
And I do agree with his honest motives_
But of course as " dai repwblic " - I will blow it !

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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https://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Talk:Republicanism_in_the_United_Kingdom#Speaking_as_a_Republican_I_find_virtually_nothing_about_Republicanism_on_this_page_:
_I_have_written_this_to_explain_it_a_bit.

R : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_Kingdom

INITIALLY I TITLED THIS " I am going to look through this page to see if I can find anything about Republicanism in it! " [ = NONE REALLY ]

I will figure out a new title :

" Speaking as a Republican I find virtually nothing about Republicanism on this page : I have written this to explain it a bit."

Nothing there except - " A republican government was briefly established in the mid-17th century, after the Parliamentarian victory in the English Civil War." - which is a highly doubtful statement : a form of Republican government was being planned under President Bradshaw in " The Republican Government " of 1649-53 but it was riven by arguments and as the final result was emerging - not Democractic but with Liberty of Conscience - Cromwell on behalf of those who could feared both then suppressed it and replaced John Bradshaw with Henry Lawrence. I think that the critical moment was the trial of William Erbery because he was the most popular radical writer of this first period of freedom of the press. William Erbery objected to all authority based upon theologies and to his contemporaries he was more threatening than Anarchists appear to be to us now : I believe that it was his arrest in 1652 which galvanised all those concerned for religious liberty to coalesce in his defence as " The Religious Society of Friends " - a term which is taken from his later writings - later abused as " The Quakers " - and I think that their appearance as an organised body of radicals with their national organisation with their headquarters in Swarthmore Hall is probably what precipitated Cromwell's " True Blue " faction to overthrow " The Republican Government." Why ? Because John Bradshaw and Thomas Fell were the commissioners in charge of the confiscated Duchy of Lancaster - which is why in 1652 ( when " The True Blues " i.e. those determined to preserve " The True Christian Faith " and impose it upon others to create " A Godly Nation " arrested William Erbery ) - a number of people concerned to preserve religious liberty went to Swarthmore Hall which was the home of Thomas Fell who informally was the vice-president of " The Republican Government." The reason why this meeting was taking place in Ulverston was in order to avoid Cromwell's spies - and we only know about it through the self-preoccupied account of his part in it by George Fox which was written down thirty years later in his " Journal " which is nothing of the sort : it was written to bolster his claim to have discovered " Quakerism " and to have founded " The Religious Society of Friends " - but despite the popular histories it was definitely founded in London and Quakers were first recorded there in 1647 : George Fox sent James Naylor to London to contact The Quakers immediately after William Erbery's death - and having taken over the leadership James Naylor was put on trial on exactly the same charges laid against William Erbery by exactly the same people ... but by that time " The Republican Government " had fallen to " The Protectorate " and they made sure that James Naylor was convicted.

Now you might be asking what this " religious " episode has to do with Republicanism - because unlike me you are not Republicans ... This episode is very important : the meeting in Swarthmore Hall was of people allied to Arthur Haselrig - one of the five members of The House of Commons that Charles I marched into whilst trying to arrest his political opponents thus violating the privileges of Parliament ... that was the incident which triggered The English Civil War : Haselrig was The Republican in The House of Commons insisting upon The Rule of Law ... Haselrig's opinion in 1652 was already that Cromwell was a potential traitor to " The Republican Government " and he sent his secretary Anthony Pearson to this meeting in Swarthmore Hall : George Fox's obscuring description says that it lasted several weeks with people coming and going - the crisis for John Bradshaw in London trying to protect religious liberty in the person of William Erbery from Oliver Cromwell is not mentioned because it is not about George Fox being the important man there - which he was not ! ... If you have ever been around politicos this egotistic scenario is very familiar ... ( I am going to have to stop - but here is the point that I am struggling towards ) ... The account given on this webpage is not written by Republicans and so you think that Republicanism in Britain began in The Wars of The Three Kingdoms circa 1650 and presumably you think that it ended circa 1850 because you do not know anything about Renaissance Republicanism ( 1450-1650 ) or Modernist/Post-Modernist Republicanism ( 1850 - 2050 ? ) - you are not even talking about Neo-Classical Republicanism ( 1650 - 1850 ) even though you may think that you are because you think that Republicanism is Anti-Monarchism. Basically you are not talking about Republicanism at all : it is a political tradition not an historical narrative !

You are not thinking like Republicans : here is something that should be discussed on this page - what was " Quakerism " in 1652 ? ... In my view " The Religious Society of Friends " was " The Party of The Republic " - it was literally formed to defend " The Republican Government " because without the religious liberty which it protected their own causes were doomed : everybody was drawn in - Gerard Winstanley the leader of The Diggers, John Lilburne the leader of The Levellers, John Milton all but joined after The Restoration etc - and nobody doubts that these people were not political but for those who do not understand what 1652 is about there is no link to the present issue which is whether these latter day Cromwells like Theresa May will manage to suppress the internet cribblers in the same way that Cromwell tried to suppress the pamphlet scribblers in 1652 - and having seized power he then tried again and he succeeded in 1654. In the brief four years of " The Republican Government " they struggled to create new institutions and in order to do so they were struggling against centuries of the existing language which created their ways of thinking because they lacked access to any other accounts of other societies save The Bible and the writings of classical antiquity : they had never encountered in their own lives anything but a society that seemed to be based upon an eternal and stable order where nothing changed - but everything had changed and continued to change at an alarming rate ... some were intoxicated by the prospect - but most were terrified by it ... Cromwell grabbed for the brake in 1653 ... then in 1659 Monck decided to put the changes into reverse - despite having fought for " The Republican Government " and " The Protectorate " ... as Monck marched south towards London with The New Model Army he was confronted on the road by The County Militias which were full of all of those battle-hardened religio-political radicals which he had helped to purge from The New Model Army ten years before ... Again this is an historical incident that is conveniently forgotten : The New Model Army was deliberately formed to not be led by the County Gentry - and that is why religio-political radicals had flooded into it - in order to escape from the claustrophobic remains of feudalism ... The New Model Army in 1649 was packed with many had learned to read and write pamphlets and therefore in rejecting any worldly religious authority they had become Quakers - and so were thrown out of it : when they went home they escaped their feudal bonds once more by volunteering for The County Militias - which on The Great North Road that night in 1659 were being led by - Anthony Pearson.

In the decade 1649 - 1659 the conventional conceptualisations of society and politics collapsed - and not only in Britain and Ireland but also in Europe, where in fact this was already under way : what followed was Hobbes, Harrington, Locke, Spinoza, and many now forgotten ... the most argued over issue was " religion " but what e.g. Rousseau, Voltaire, Jefferson, Momoro etc were concerned about were powerful hierarchies spreading faulty thinking - but they had no plan to get rid of religion : they thought - I think - that it a human activity which can either be done well or badly ... in other words they discussed removing corrupt moralities and superstitious beliefs and propagating ideologies : and that is what Republicanisms are about - especially in the Post-World War Two Post-Modernist Republicanisms ... hence the speedy transition from theologically based ideologies in 1649 to philosophically based ideologies by 1659 is fascinating.

I ought to apologise for indulging myself in writing that off the top of my head - but equally those who wrote this page should apologise !

I have been trying to find out more - on and off - about Anthony Pearson - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pearson_%28Quaker%29 - because on that night in 1659 when " The Blues " were confronted by " The Greens " on The Great North Road Anthony Pearson took a decision which shaped the modern political world : rather fighting a pitched battle with the rebel army which could plunge " The Three Kingdoms " into a third cycle of civil wars he instead chose to accept the assurances given by Monck and escorted him into London to allow him to plead his political arguments peaceably ... Monck - by hook or by crook - succeeded in proposing The Restoration ... as a result over five hundred Quakers died, some five thousand were imprisoned, perhaps fifty thousand were fined ... The Religious Society of Friends withstood some thirty years of straightforwardly violent abuse which only began to abate once tens of thousands had chosen exile in America where their descendents and the institutions which they created laid the basis for and were the cause of The American War of Independence ... Oh - you thought that Quakers were always absolute pacifists ? - No : the first stronghold of Quakerism was in The New Model Army - William Erbery was a regimental chaplin and James Naylor was a regimental quarter-master - and Anthony Pearson led The County Militias in 1659. It was because everybody knew that " Quakers are soldiers who disobey their officers when they think that their God wants them to ! " that in 1659 there was a widespread belief that Anthony Pearson would indeed start The Third Civil War ... but he did not : when Charles II was restored the Quakers decided to stick with Anthony Pearson's decision - " If you do not attack us then we will have no reason to fight you - but we will be ready to " ... " The Peace Testimony " began as an assertion not of an Absolute Pacifism but as a re-assertion of Mathew 5.9 - The Sermon on The Mount - " Blessed are The Peace Makers " - which involves an English rendition of the Latin " paci-ficator." This is the religious idea which is planted at the centre of Republicanism - although few know the origins now of the term " Pacificator " and so as a consequence Republicans are regularly portrayed as subscribing to the use of violence in pursuit of their political ends : in fact Republicanism only allows for self-defence and then only when all else is lost - 15c Religious Republicans were enthusiasts for martyrdom ! - and the issues about this are like the controversy over the meaning of " jihad " as " struggle " or " war " in the Islamic versions of Republicanism ... In " Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen from the Constitution of Year I (1793) " this issue is dealt with by firmly placing it last on the list of rights - the last resort once all the other rights have been destroyed by a despotic government -

http://www.columbia.edu/~iw6/docs/dec1793.html - " 35. When the government violates the rights of the people, insurrection is for the people and for each portion of the people the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties. "

- and the person who draughted that ( in French ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_%28philosopher%29

- which brings me back to the point that I want to make : Republicanisms are discussed in terms of their histories - about the development of their ideologies and meta-ideologies - not in terms of war - AND - I have personally encountered some of the leaders of both " Republic " and " MAM " and they know absolutely nothing about any of the Republicanisms - apparently they actually thought that in my recommending them books written by Machiavelli I was performing some kind of criminal act !!! ~~~~


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[ FROM A POST MADE ON THE ABERFAN THREAD - TO EXPLAIN THE SENTIMENT - ]

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4264#4264


( I am actually thinking about the possibility that somewhere somebody once bereaved of a child will be viewing this thread and so may be upset by what may - or may not - be written in the next post : therefore stop here if at present you are unable to cope with the painful things in your life being lightly treated - unless Marianne advises against it - I will post some poems which reflect the way in which The People in Wales cope with misery.)

" [ - ] " = [ " EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD IS RULED BY THE NOMOS " ]

" YOU ARE STRANGE TO US - THEREFORE LIKE US BECAUSE - WE ARE STRANGE TO YOU "

AND IN THE WORDS OF " YR ARDYSTIAD " -

" ALL NATIONS ARE BORN OF ONE PEOPLE "

" EMBRACING OUR DIFFERENCES WILL UNITE THE PEOPLE IN WALES AND THE WORLD "

Republicanism vests " Political Authority " in useful descriptions of The People in The World.
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I did not intend to launch off sideways quite so much into Quaker history there - but I did intend to use what happened between The Restoration and The Glorious Revolution within The Religious Society of Friends as an example of how to build a strong organisation that way back then not only withstood an astounding degree of persecution but survived and thrived.

" The White Faction " of Republicanism in Wales as a cohering movement identifying itself as " Republican " in effect finally collapsed in 1916 due to various reasons (a) The Easter Rising in Dublin " confirmed " the propaganda of The Supporters of The United Kingdom that " Republicans are criminal conspirators " - but of course what provided those who were like this with excuses for insurrection were the criminal conspiracies against those advocating Home Rule in Ireland in The United Kingdom and the advent of Conscription which prompted patriots to ask why they should go to war against The People in Germany whilst The Supporters of The United Kingdom were putting guns into the hands of The Unionists in Ireland ? (b) The Supporters of The United Kingdom in Wales introduced Conscription by stealth : they flatly denied that The Register of able-bodied men of a suitable age to serve was anything other than a collection of useful statistics and insisted that they never had any plans to use it for Conscription - then of course they announced that it was exactly for that purpose except that persons that they favoured would not have to fight if they did not want to ... most of The People in Wales - as usual - enthusiastically volunteered their neighbours to be slaughtered but had all sorts of reasons not fight themselves ...

(c) The First World War was the first outing for a new development in Republicanism : as the arms race developed between France and Germany circa 1900 a new word appeared in European languages - Pacifist i.e. the old Republican conception of " Pacificator " was rejected in favour of the idea that for whatever reason wars were being fought they were being fought for The Aristocracies and The Monarchies not The People - and that those perpetrating war do so whilst cynically calculating how many of The People in The War they could kill and and maim without provoking The People into overthrowing the power of those who had control over The State ... In the light of the new modern warfare that now amounted to an automated mechanised mass-slaughter many intellectuals started to declare that The People in Europe should simply refuse to agree to kill each other - to mutually refuse to be conscripted to kill each other. The Historians in The United Kingdom regularly claim that the huge losses in World War One had caught everybody by surprise but they are merely repeating the propaganda which was being made in 1915 as news of the slaughter resulted in fewer and fewer volunteers ... The fact is that the next war between France and Germany had long been predicted to be like this had been known for twenty - even thirty - years beforehand : and " Pacifism " as a political theory came out of that debate ... " Pacifism " was not some limp-wristed cowardly sentiment in the face of the outbreak of World War One but had already existed long before hand as a muscular militant Internationalist political doctrine ...

... The Supporters of The United Kingdom dealt with these divisive political opponents who advocated " Pacifism " by introducing the idea of an exemption from military service on the grounds of " Conscientious Objection " and told The People in Wales that this was only for those few tender " Christian " souls whose scruples would be respected by The State ... But when thousands then refused to fight they found themselves declared to be traitors, cowards, criminals etc and the " Conscientious Objection " concession was then exposed as merely a fraudulent political chickanery when those who refused to be browbeaten into agreeing to kill and maim others on behalf of somebody else's political ambitions or profit margins or patriotic vanities were arrested, abused, starved, tortured and sentenced to decades of penal servitute for daring to refuse to either kill or die for those who treated either their own fellow countrymen as their own private property to dispose of - or those countrymen in other nations as somebody else's property to try to destroy. In other words the true nature of " The United Kingdom " - and indeed " The Republic of France " etc - was exposed by Pacifism : that - whether addressed as " subjects " or " citizens " - The People in Europe were all enslaved to The Aristocrats ... and therefore in the paranoid imaginations of The Supporters of The United Kingdom all of The People in Wales are deemed to be potentially " The Enemies of The State " - if not indeed de facto " enemies " already by virtue of being unemployed, sick, young, elderly or just poor therefore being a financial burden upon superfluous to the requirements of those Ultraists - whether Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats or Monocrats - in their pursuit of profitably controlling The People through possessing control of The State - and I assure you that in telling you that I am not - on this occasion - exaggerating : given my own personal experiences I have to conclude that The Democrats in Wales view The People in Wales as The Enemies of The State - and this is but one of the many reasons why in wanting to serve The People in Wales I have - after decades of frustration - opted for " Pure."

Don't worry - you do not have to agree : you have the right to make your own mistakes - but only if you are politically active !

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[ pausing - called away ] [ sort of : I waylaid myself with the above on the way to see Daf for lunch - I was two hours late and " Ramon's " had closed so we ate in " Gassy Jacks " after debating the expensive prices in the restaurant which now occupies the premises opposite where Dafydd's second hand bookshop - sorry ! - bookstore " Galahads " was ... having eaten we sat outside and inevitably I asked him how he felt about those years.]

Pints and fags and some loud cross words_Whilst remembering the tea and bickies and doing all the crosswords_In Ninety Salisbury across The Road_Whilst myself and Daf were debating the load_Of all of our memories of The Illuminatis' crossed words.

Pints and fags and some loud cross words_
Whilst remembering the tea and bickies and doing all the crosswords_
In Ninety Salisbury across The Road_
Whilst myself and Daf were debating the load_
Of all of our memories of The Illuminatis' crossed words.

dai repwblic =Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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As you will gather Dafydd and I go back a long way in each other's lives - to either the end of 1984 or early 1985 when Marcus knocked on my door and I stumbled out of bed to give a cup of tea to him and this strange voluble character he introduced me to who has become my best-ish friend and long time antagonist in every opinion which I express ... This sort of antagonism is important in a Republican dis-organisation such as The Cardiff Illuminati : in a Democratic organisation a group of people collect themselves together on the basis of what is supposedly an agreement which is usually coerced in order to pursue a sectarian end which is typically the private interest of a smaller group of charismatic leaders who emotionally coerce the others involved to pursue their ends ... I do not mean that The Democrats in Wales and The World have necessarily immoral ends in mind which they are in pursuit of but that their methods are unethical - and if you have not witnessed this behaviour yourself please take my word for it - anti-political ... Daf and I both joined The Welsh Socialist Alliance because we wanted to be sure that there was an alternative being offered to The Cooperative and Labour Party's dirty political methods but these methods are not peculiar to that party but endemic - indeed we gradually came to realise that a sort of pandemic was taking place in which these dirty methods were being equated with " politics " in all parties and so they effected even The Welsh Socialist Alliance : the idea that politics is nothing more than " getting what I want " and therefore The People in Wales merely select to join and vote for whichever party might give them what they want.

Thus what we learned in The Welsh Socialist Alliance - despite its high-minded idealism - is that what " Democracy " was coming to mean for The Democrats in Wales and The World is " Our Power over The People " - and whilst I believe that since then this non-political pandemic has now fully poisoned the minds of most of The People in Wales and The World - I also believe that a growing number of politicos are worried about this ... elsewhere in The World political people are urgently turning back to the constitutional arguments in order to protect The State from being subverted by : Republicanism ... but in Wales - despite having a very respectable body of Republican literature written prior to 1848 - The Supporters of The United Kingdom have successfully represented the upholders of constitutionalism and " The Rule of Law " as belonging to a criminal conspiracy ... i.e. The People have been jailed by The Criminals ... or alternatively ... The Lunatics have taken over The Asylum and put all of The Doctors into straight-jackets ... In Wales we have this crazy situation in which The Democrats in Wales insist that they can use terms like " The Rule of Law " whilst denying that this has anything to do with Republicanism : in other words they repeat the words " The Rule of Law " because this sort of makes them sound like - you know - " really cool " - but they do not know what it means - and they do not know what the word " Democracy " means either - the word is merely a shibboleth in Wales ... but woe betide those of us who point this out ... those of us who actually know not only what real Democracy looks like but also what the risks involved in practicing it are and who try to explain to The People in Wales that practicing Democracy without a constitution is dangerous - The Republicans in Wales ...

... In the scribbles above and elsewhere I have advocated that " Plaid Y Repwblic " should campaign for " A constitution and an independent judiciary to defend it " ...

... Why is practicing Democracy without a constitution dangerous ? ... Let me recount some of the things which I have experienced, witnessed or heard proven reports of ... When I appeared before a committee of The All Wales Convention on Law Making Powers in Wales I mentioned Montesquieu and since a L&CP reacted to the French name challenged me as to who he was and I explained that he was a famous Republican theorist and when asked if I was a Republican I was immediately subjected to hostility ... When I made my submission to The Silk Commission ( which basically said exactly the same as The Law Society submission ) I received a letter afterwards in which - without any explanations - they refused to publish it alongside all of the other " submissions " which included illegibly scribbled rants irrelevant to the subject in hand and even a blank sheet of paper - but not my twenty pages or so of crafted arguments citing academic references ... In Y Senedd I was approached by The Presiding Officer ( i.e. The Democrats in The Assembly refuse to use the word " president " because it is " Republican " - that is the level of their moronically stupid petty prejudices ) Dafydd Elis Thomas : perhaps my face was known to him - we were alone on the balcony I think and he was very friendly - until he asked me as to what my political convictions were - " Republican " - at which point he turned his back on me and literally marched out of there. ...

... A fairly regular experience has been writing letters to The Democrats - typically L&CP - and getting replies that are either irrelevant ( e.g. Alun Michael totally ignoring the question put to him - he might have said " sorry - I do not know " - but answering at length some question never asked ) or replies that insist that my question is irrelevant or replies that insist that my question was " wrong " and that their own questions are better because they already know the answers. Somewhere above I have actually praised Ali Ahmed my present L&CP councilor and the reason why I am very pleased with his behaviour is that he did not per se reply to my email but forwarded it to the appropriate people and copied me in : he is not a " gombeen " - seeking control by trying to make everybody go through him which has bad results because it creates a workload which a person can neither handle nor understand - in comparison to a previous L&CP councilor who not only failed to intervene at a critical moment because he wanted to ingratiate himself with Cardiff City County Council but years later as my Welsh Assembly Member - as I still wrestled with the mess - made a point of refusing to forward my own carefully written explanation of the issue and insisted upon writing his own letter - incompetently ! ... And of course something which I regularly remark upon is that if you scrub the floors in a MacDonald's you need to pass an examination to demonstrate your competence - but if you want to be First Minister of Wales no qualification is required : MacDemockery ?

I have also mentioned my namesake elsewhere - " The President of The People's Republic of Ystradyfodwg " - David Lawrence - William Abrahams - " Mabon's " - election agent in the famous election victory of 1885 which sounded the first death-knell of The Liberals in Wales ... forget Kier Hardie - these were the two who really founded The Labour Party in Wales ... and coming from that family Lil' Sis and Big Bruv naturally thought that we would be fourth generation activists within it ... But what I encountered in Cardiff South & Penarth bewildered me to begin with : I found myself being dubbed " The Derek Hatton of Butetown " for asking some pretty tame questions ... My sister scoffed and said that it was just me - she was a member in a borough in London and she was confident that in dropping Clause 4 nobody need worry : but she quit six months or so after Tony Blair was elected ... she is even finally getting a bit wobbly about Ersatz Israel ... even beginning to believe some of the things which I have either witnessed or heard about : councilors who not only do not turn up to do the job they were elected to do but who vote themselves bigger salaries whilst cutting the hours and wages of the lowest paid in their councils ; vehicles, computers, video equipment etc ordered supposedly for their urgent needs but never used and then sold to them with the cost of them written off ; pages from catalogues of council property recording such things as works of art which were by chance are found in an auction in Switzerland ; sudden last minute tenders from contractors never previously heard of which mysteriously bid a fraction lower than earlier tenders received and unexpectedly inspected by previously indifferent councilors ...

... ( bugger - 01.00 am again ) ...

... The L&CP some years ago at a national party conference somewhere had an elderly angry member make a not very loud heckle from the back and it became national news that he was immediately set upon by bouncers ... The only boat ever launched by Cardiff Bar Development Corporation was The Gravy Boat : there was a lot of money around for those who did not need it - and my opinion is that far from regenerating Butetown they not only destroyed it economically but left behind a total mess where I left and I have spent the last twenty years dealing with their legacy ... It was actually less stressful than when they existed : the hidden cash costs of their legacy are being denied but could be accounted for - but they left behind a political legacy as well - Y Repwblic ! ... I think that it is fair to say that what lit my blue touch paper in 2002 and which led me to be nursing this callous on my index finger fifteen years later was the outcome of the argument with CBDC which took place in North Butetown in 1991/2 ... CBDC liked to portray themselves as the generous " proprietors " of Butetown - as if we The People in Butetown were their guests ! ... #### !!!! ... We were invited to a meeting in The Brewery - with beer and sandwiches - and they made what I suppose they thought was a popular presentation to the populace of the peasant nation : I just asked some obvious questions.

" Cardiff has suffered some disastrous floods due to the conjunction of high tides coming up the River Taff whilst heavy rainfall is coming down it : you said that in building The Cardiff Bay Barrage the River Taff will be raise to high tide level permanently - will this not multiply the risks of another disastrous flood ? " - " No - no : my dear boy - The Cardiff Bay Barrage will protect the city from such floods ! " - " How ? " - " Next question please ... oh - if you must - " - " My house has a basement and sometimes after heavy rainfall I get some flooding as the water table rises : we are here in the brewery and its basement also floods at spring tides because it is built close to the original course of the River Taff - in fact there are old water courses all over Butetown : surely if the River Taff is held permanently at high tide then all of these old water courses will be flooded and the water table will permanently rise - and permanently flood my basement ? " - " You do not have a basement." - " Yes I do ! " - " No You Do Not - are there any other questions ? " - " I have another ... " - " Is it about your basement that does not exist ? " - " No ... it is about the sewers ... You see I like to walk around and try and understand Butetown - it is very interesting - and I notice that both here and in other places around the bay there are unmarked sewerage outfalls ... For example there is one that empties into the River Ely and what comes out of it is bright orange : if you build the Cardiff Bay Barrage all of this sewerage will become trapped and - " - " WHO ARE YOU ? " - " um - well : myself ? " - " WHO SENT YOU HERE ? " - " Well - you sent me a letter and - " - " NEXT QUESTION PLEASE ! " - " Can we have another question please ? " - " Anybody ? " - " I have another question - if you do not mind ? " - " Hum ... I do mind - but go on ! " - " I like walking around - as you know - and there are these fascinating sort of sea-wood-louse things in the mud over on the old slipways by Ferry Road and of course there are lots of birds which come into the bay to feed on the mud - the government have registered it as an SSSSI - a Spectacular Site of Special Scientific Interest - and if you create a fresh water lake then there will nothing for the birds to ... oh ... um ... are you feeling all right ? ... It is just that - "

Cardiff Bay Development Corporation had bouncers ready and threw me out of " their " meeting ... they also behaved in the same way in Grangetown and in Riverside when the local community centre held a public meeting to discuss the proposals and invited CBDC to explain them somebody else asked much the same questions as I did and they tried to have the meeting stopped ... This is what we are describing when we talk of " Demockery " and " The Demockerats in Wales " - but actually this is going on not only in Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland as a consequence of the non-political system whose supporters call it " The United Kingdom " but there are reports of this going on not only all over Europe but indeed - just all over - " The Demockerats in The World " are not behaving like this because things have gone a bit wrong in places but because Democracy itself is wrong : Democracy is not a political system but an Ultraism based upon voting ... The Democrats in The World are not who they claim to be : nobody needs to take my word for this - the facts are there for anybody to examine ... of course as a Republican I would be interested to hear of other arguments about those facts and you are welcome to make those arguments upon " Y Repwblic."

But do not expect to persuade me to agree with your arguments : The Democrats are corrupt because Democracy itself corrupts - the remedy is not " more Democracy " but " no Democracy at all " - the remedy is Republicanism :

02.00 am - all skew whiff - I was intending to write about The White Poppy Stuff ...

... to be political you need to practice Republicanism : go and buy a White Poppy in order to make a start - OK ?



[ post script - 29-10-16 - I actually have a problem with the Peace Pledge Union because they regularly represent the matter of Conscientious Objection as being solely that of " Absolutist Pacifism " - and often on a quasi-religious basis - whereas being a C/O was never that simple ... But since I wear The White Poppy - ( not invented by them - not their property - PPU are just one of those who took it up in the 1930s ) - I have pitched them the question " Pacifist v Pacificator " to see what their answer is : does their membership include those who reject the use of war to pursue their political ends but allow defensive war i.e. all Human Rights depend upon " The Right to Life " - therefore it is the first duty of a Republican to preserve Life : to prevent killing by both others and ourselves ... That is why " The Red Cap of Liberty " is upheld by " The White Staff of The Pacificator " - the latter is a weapon but not a deadly one : it is to fend off aggressors - but not to kill them.]

[ Unlike those who brandish plastic pistols in front of their bedroom webcams - dressed in their ex-British Army Surplus Stores balaclavas and camou-print pyjamas pressed by their over-indulgent mothers - who spout mistaken ideas about " Republicanism " - which are taken from centuries of propaganda made against their opponents by the supporters of The United Kingdom - I am one of The " Real " Republicans in Wales : I can assure you that everything that you think that you know about Republicanism is " Britshit " - read the literature ! " ... I have been listing to this audio-book of " Bethink Yourselves " today : I feel that Leo Tolstoy was politically clueless but religiously correct - remember that Republicanism insists that neither Religion nor Politics can be conducted in private let alone in secret therefore there is no such thing as a " political conspiracy " because that is an oxymoron. The United Kingdom is not a " political system " because at all levels within it the decisions are taken in secret : when MPs and AMs appear before the camaras to perform the charade of " Demockery " they do not even know what they are voting about - they are under The Whip.]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yYP8P5vwGh8 - " Bethink Yourselves " by Leo Tolstoy


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I shared the scans of the notes and diagrams etc with a couple of respectable academics who are mystified ... which is a pity : here is some of the text from that correspondence ... if you are worried by my talk of the prospect of " convulsions " then please remember that " The Model " is a model : the concept of revolution in Republican thought is not as popularly alleged - " convulsions " do not lead to " revolution " because violence results in those most violent seizing control i.e. Monocrats - not Nomocrats !

Right now Theresa May is behaving like a Monocrat : she is trying to effect " Brexit " with a very small number of ministers sat around the table in 10 Downing Street - what they are trying to do is something very complicated with only a handful of ... well - egotists ... making a very large number of decisions in a very limited period of time : this is what Monocracy looks like - too much power concentrated into the hands of too few people who can not possibly cope with the responsibilities and so they refuse to be held to account ... The fact that Theresa May is refusing to be accountable to Parliament by invoking The Royal Prerogative - i.e. by invoking the non-political non-principle of " Sovereignty " - ought to be sounding political alarm bells all over the European Union - !

[ THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS WITH AUTHORS WHO OCCASIONALLY CRITIQUE MY THINKING - AS FRIENDS - BUT THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH MY POLITICS ]
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Dear

I hope that you are well.

Yes : I am contemplating bankruptcy in order to XXXXX

I am horribly depressed : I lay in bed and wrote those pages - indeed there are ten other papers besides.

I guess that what I am doing on Y Repwblic is what I have been doing on paper in private since forever.

When I recite " Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace - and Life ! " people smile and say something like " Hippy ! "

But these are not just aesthetic choices from my point of view : these are necessary values for a purpose.

Cognition requires " Truth " as a value : sure you can tell Lies but ideologies built upon Lies will collapse.

Emotion requires " Love " as a value : sure you can use Hatred but ideologies built upon Hatred collapse.

Sensation requires " Freedom " as a value : this was the choice of value which left me in indecision for years until I thought about it from a Buddhist point of view in terms of non-attachment which really helped - e.g. think about a person struggling to be free from alchohol ( or cigarettes - guilty - but writing is my drug ) - and then I jettisoned the whole " Freedom Fighter " thing which I always thought of as dubious because to take your Freedom by force means that you have to keep your Freedom by force which means that you do not have Freedom but instead have Enslaved yourself to eternal vigilance so you can never know Peace : this then is how I escaped the arguments about Berlin's " Positive / Negative Freedom " and Petit's " Non-Domination " - by going back to that 17c / 18c idea of " Manumission " i.e. " Freedom " is neither taken nor demanded nor granted etc but given : by giving others the means to Life - in other words securing them Freedom from need - then collectively we secure our Freedom from need through Kropotkin's Mutual Aid - note this is not " Non-Domination " which does not acknowledge the social realities of inter-dependence, nor is it Positive Freedom to be enabled to do as you want - nor is it Negative Freedom to be left to you own devices to fend for yourself ... and I reckon that this " Manumission / Non-Attachment " Freedom is close to what actually happens in healthy social relationships e.g. loaning a friend the money to pay their mortgage.

OK - I am still working on " Freedom " but I assigned it to " Sensation " because of our enslaving addictions.

Action requires " Peace " as a value : sure you can use War but ideologies built upon War will collapse.

Action > Sensation > Emotion > Cognition > Action > Sensation > Emotion > Cognition > = Consciousness

Consciousness = Life ... even in Quantum Physics the sub-atomic particles seem to be making choices ...

What I am looking for in " The Model " is a way to analyse ideologies : arguably it consists of ten questions.

" The Consciousness " defining " Life " has evolved through and consists of four types of Consciousness -

Action ( e.g. viruses ) Sensation ( e.g. fleas ) Emotion ( e.g. rats ) Cognition ( e.g. human beings - possibly.)

Action - viruses merely Act - Act - Act - i.e. when a situation arises - e.g. a bacteria - they simply Act upon it.

Sensation - fleas wait ... a situation arises - they Sense - Act - ( drunk enough blood ? ) - Act - wait ... wait ...

Emotion - rats wait ... their young cry - they Sense - Emote - Sense predator - Emote - Act : they wait ...

Cognition - human waits ... baby cries - Sense - Emote - Cognit wife will do it - Emote - Cognit baby stops.

The point about Cognition is that it contemplates the other three forms of Consciousness enabling choices that lower animals can not make : those that have Emotional Consciousness can be conditioned by their experiences to modify behaviours which are otherwise instinctive - those with Sensational Consciousness react instinctively but they can not be conditioned e.g. moths reacting to a candle - those which only have Actional Consciousness simply repeat the same Act again and again until it works - or until Death ... that is why in other diagrams I equate " Action " with " Monocracy " - the most incompetent form of government which produces the most impoverished and unstable sorts of society which are then convulsed by violence.

That is the sort of way that I use " The Model " - the other six " questions " are about " Y " i.e. each time you trace out a path of Consciousness you are confronted with " Y " - a choice between " The Left Hand Path " or " The Right Hand Path " - e.g. If you are examining an idea about an " Emotion " is the subject going to construe it in such a way as to lead them to " Action " ( = " Subversion " ) or Cognition ( = " Intraversion " ) - the other six " questions " are " Extra-, Intro-, Intra, Extro-, Sub- and Super-version " ( "-version " = " turn." )

David B. Lawrence

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XXXX ? Meanwhile what are all these strange pages meant to mean?


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Dear

I withdrew into myself because of XXXXX

Scribbling like mad to forget it all ... this might interest you - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1327

I have decided to leave XXXXX email attached : he is being kind - so let me plug his book in turn to you.

I hope that you are well.

David B. Lawrence

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Dear

thank you for looking at " Y Repwblic " - you will understand I hope that whenever my activities are sufficiently unusual to draw hostile comment then I am concerned to let other Quakers know that I am taking care to ensure that my political stance bears in mind the values of Quakerism.

Hence I have been deliberately welding Republican political ethicality to Quaker religious morality.

I am still working on my swearing however : some say that I permanently lost my temper in 2001.

The following pages demonstrate yet another attempt to do this - which I think will amuse you !

Regards, David B Lawrence

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On Sunday, 23 October 2016, 15:10 XXXX wrote:

Dear David,

I have had a look at several websites that Google came up with when I typed in 'repwblic.informe.com'. Mostly I was reading ( sympathetically ) Marianneh's blog about persecution of disabled people and people with autism.

Congratulations on generating these websites. Cannot comment further at present, because I am short of sleep, and need to prepare for forthcoming travels.

Best wishes

XXXX

My latest book, XXXX XXXX XXXX was published by Edinburgh U.P. in February 2015 @ £24.99 ($39.95), and is distributed in the Americas by Oxford U.P. USA. Find out more: https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/

[ HIS BOOK IS AN ACADEMIC VOLUME ON A CONTEMPORARY ETHICAL ISSUE ]
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In the twenty-first century the Welsh seem to have curled_Up with their history and they now shun The World_But The Land that we live upon is rooted in Earth_And is indifferent to those who here claim their birth_But to these seas which surround us her arms are unfurled = dai repwblic=Dai Saw=D B Lawrence

In the twenty-first century the Welsh seem to have curled_
Up with their history and so they now shun The World_
But The Land that we live upon is rooted in The Earth_
And it is indifferent to those who here claim their birth_
But to these seas which surround us her arms are unfurled.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !


No proem had presented itself to me for several days until this one offered itself to me a few minutes ago : I think that it belongs here - on this increasingly over-personal and therefore messed-up thread ... this sort of expresses my sense of indifference or probably more accurately diffidence towards the concept of " Nationality " as taught to me by my Dad and that negative assertion of his national identity - " Born 1932 - Cefneithyn, Carms - NOT ENGLISH " ... Whilst on the one hand he could not countenance allowing anybody to express an unfounded, ignorant or prejudiced opinion against his nation to be left unchallenged - on the other hand he would not allow the same to pass out of the mouths of his compatriots about those of other nations either : he despised untruth and was rather earnest and pedantic and therefore mystified by my contention that a thing is only " true " within a given ideology and that in some ideologies - arguably most - truth is not even a considered value ...

... When I opted to study Art for an " O Level " he allowed it but when I opted to study Art for " A Level " as well he was quite distressed and only mollified by my combining it with Physics and Pure and Applied Mathematics ... when I screwed up my BSc Architecture he seized the chance to urge me to become a Surveyor instead because I obviously was not the artistic type - oh : and I was to stay away from political activism as well because I was not level-headed enough ... In other words he wanted me to be like himself : a man who knew the measure of all things and who preferred feet and inches and strongly objected to transistors because unlike valves he could not see how they worked ... I am having a little smile here having tapped that out on my phone : whilst the mysterious behaviour of transistors had bemused him the advent of computers really upset him because he really needed to know how things worked : I asked him a question once over the phone about a problem that I had in designing a drain run and he said that he would write me a letter about it ... the postman had to leave this " letter " with my elderly neighbour because he could not get it through the letter box ! ...

... Apparently my Dad's lectures about - well now we might call it - " Building Science " were popular with his students and his handouts admired by his colleagues because - for an example - he would not merely teach how to design an efficient layout for central heating pipes but then debate for the benefit of his students the problems of the standard hydrological calculations used in deciding how the water flowed through them - and he had a plan as to how these might be adjusted for the overall benefit of Womankind ( although my Mum had to nag him to actually deal with the dripping overflow ) - and then of course he would produce a box of blowtorches and have his students put their books away and learn to solder pipes together properly - without needlessly wasting the materials - after giving them a brief lecture on Health and Safety ...

... Whilst he then speculated out loud upon whether soldering had been invented by The Ancient Phoenicians or whether The Ancient Chinese had beaten them to it ... You will understand therefore why it was not until I was thirty one before I managed to best my Dad in an argument which went on all night long and only really stopped because my Mum came down to make breakfast and insisted that we could settle the matter at some other time ... As he left for work my Dad remarked - " Well Dai bach : I think that you have indeed constructed an original argument there - and I shall have to give it some serious thought - but you are wrong." ... Which was more or less the last important thing which he ever said to me - apart from complaining of course about the fact that Wales really ought to improve their game because it was no use beating the English into the turf at Twickenham without playing the rugby properly - " We are not supposed to be at war with our opponents : the object of any sporting encounter is always purely educational - to teach the other side a lesson ! "

We are not playing at politics for what we want to mend_Are all those things now broken which really do offend_All those of us who still do think that fair play is The Rule_As defined within The Rule of Law with The State as but its tool_And not " The Prison of The People " - Demockery we must end.

We are not playing at politics for what we want to mend_
Are all those things now broken which really do offend_
All those of us who still do think that fair play is The Rule_
As defined within The Rule of Law with The State as but its tool_
And not " The Prison of The People " - Demockery we must end.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harrington_%28author%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Commonwealth_of_Oceana

http://theirelandinstitute.com/republic/bookshelf/harrington_oceana/oceana_i_prels_1.html

[ " Harrington's Law " is somewhere in " Oceana " but I can not gloggle it because some firm of lawyers and bakers have plaguarised the term ... unless - ah ! ]

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch11s2.html

The Commonwealth of Oceana - James Harrington - 1656 : Chapter 11

" ... The senate then having divided, who shall choose? Ask the girls. For if she that divided must have chosen also, it had been little worse for the other in case she had not divided at all but kept the whole cake to herself, in regard that, being to choose too, she divided accordingly. Wherefore if the senate have any further power than to divide, the commonwealth can never be equal. But in a commonwealth consisting of a single council, there is no other to choose than that which divided. Whence it is that such a council fails not to scramble, that is, to be factious, there being no other dividing of the cake in that case but among themselves. ... "

[ CAN YOU RECOGNISE " Y SENEDD YNG NHYMRU " IN HARRINGTON'S DESCRIPTION ? ]

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" Boys - stop it !!! " said Tadcu " Now go and look up Harrington -_In The Home Encyclopedia - and learn how to peacefully divide that bun."_My Dada got to choose which piece - because he was the littlest_My Uncle got to hold the knife - because he was the biggest_" - and if you dare pick my bigger bit - I will beat you black and blue mun ! " = Something like this really happened : my " Dada " ( " sweets " ) told this story in conjunction with lecturing me on the undesirability of power politics by describing how in the 1960s Wilson and Castle had made the unions a promise to end the pay freeze imposed by The Conservative & Unionist Party but instead of funding the desperately needed pay rises left the unions to fight each other for a share in the " bun." = Before sending this text I reflected as to whether Tadcu's attitude reflects the Lawrence family's origins in Sir Fynwy which possibly in medieval times was the most fought over of The Marches in Wales : perhaps their attitude used to be " We are Ourselves Alone : Not Welsh - Not English - Y Fynwyr ! "

" Now boys - stop that !!! " said Tadcu " Go and look up Harrington -_
In The Home Encyclopedia - and learn how to peaceably divide that bun."_
My Dada got to choose which piece - because he was the littlest_
My Uncle got to hold the knife - because he was the biggest_
" - and if you dare pick my bigger bit - I will beat you black and blue mun ! "

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

Something like this really happened : my " Dada " ( " sweets " ) told this story in conjunction with lecturing me on the undesirability of power politics by describing how in the 1960s Wilson and Castle had made the unions a promise to end the pay freeze imposed by The Conservative & Unionist Party but instead of funding the desperately needed pay rises left the unions to fight each other for a share in the " bun."

Before sending this text I reflected as to whether Tadcu's attitude reflects the Lawrence family's origins in Sir Fynwy which possibly in medieval times was the most fought over of The Marches in Wales : perhaps their attitude used to be " We are Ourselves Alone : Not Welsh - Not English - Y Fynwyr ! "

Now there's an oddity : why is The Bishop of St David's " Esgob Mynyw " ? - or has that been confused with the Roman Catholic " Esgobaeth Mynwy " diocese of " Menevia " ? - " Mynwy " is " Monmouth " and I am playing on that by adding " (g)wyr " to suggest that " The People in Monmouthshire " belong to themselves alone - indeed in order for good politics to be ebabled we must all be allowed to honestly speak our own minds - in order for us all to claim the right to be listened to we must all uphold the right of everybody else to be listened to : the right of everybody to talk is merely a negative freedom which results in the sort of Great Babylon we see mis-ruled from Westminster which sets the example of not listening to anybody ... If you want to remedy this then you must assert that the whole basis of this non-political system mis-called " The United Kingdom " is wrong : The People are NOT The Property of The State - we belong to Ourselves Alone ... recognise that phrase ? ... It was the original conception of that party of happy and hopeful and Irish " White " Republicans who believed that poetry and amateur dramatics and a friendly game of shinty would persuade The Powerful in Westminster ... and they were in fact doing quite well until 1916 when some rather dull hecklers brought the house down and took over their stage and made them dance to another tune : heed then the warning written into the history of how The Irish Republican Army invaded and subverted Sinn Fein - of how they turned White into Black.

I do not think that this is " true " - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sinn_F%C3%A9in

So let me state my own view which is that " Sinn Fein " as it presently stands has had the same " leaders " for forty or more years : in terms of my adaptation of " The Four Estates Theory " it is clearly " Monocratic " i.e. power within it is being exercised by a single community pursuing a private interest - therefore " Sinn Fein " is an " Ultraist " not an " Altruist " organisation : why ? ... When De Valera finally declared Ireland to be a " republic " in 1949 the last remaining plank of the political platform on which the third ( or fouth - or fifth ) " Sinn Fein " had to stand on to make it an alternative all but rotted away ( except for the issue of the partition and Northern Ireland ) and by circa 1956 support for " Sinn Fein " was at a low ebb because it was all but politically and financially bankrupt - at which point a nice man - a very nice man - turned up with a big bag of money - a very big bag of money - and a gun in his hand : that is - more or less - how The Irish Republican Army took over " Sinn Fein " and turned it into a front organisation for their criminal activities.

That is but one reason for my advocating for a " Pure Republicanism " in which - if you agree that The Public Discourse in Ethics is indeed in The Public Interest - we should campaign to construct a political system which is designed to respond only to facts and arguments and not Ideologies ( Hierocracy ) Populism ( Democracy ) Economics ( Aristocracy ) and above all not Violence ( Monocracy.)

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POST SCRIPT : ON THE BUSINESS OF " CUTTING THE CAKE " - AND THE USELESSNESS OF THE BBC AS A SOURCE OF POLITICAL INFORMATION :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-37867113

National Minimum Wage Bill

Business Minister Margot James says the bill is "well-intentioned" but believes it will have the unintended consequence of undermining existing laws and protections. ... She also believes the bill to be unnecessary as interns are already eligible for the national minimum wage provided that they meet the legal definition of worker. ... She argues that successful tribunals demonstrate that the law already protects interns against exploitation.

Now : what was that about ?

Well I watched that debate and it was basically about this -

http://www.parliament.uk/about/working/mp/

" Working for an MP in the House of Commons can be a very rewarding career opportunity. Staff can work in a paid capacity, as an intern, or as a volunteer ... "

You still do not understand ? ... Remember " The People's Charter " of 1838 ? ... Remember that The Demockerats in Westminster are still refusing to implement " Annual Parliamentary Elections " - designed to be able to swiftly hold those elected to account - which was the last of " The Six Points " advocated in the 18c by The Suffragists which The Chartists were again pressing for in the 19c ? ... Remember the fourth point - " Payment of Members " - which was designed to ensure that the political system would be finally wrestled out of the hands of the wealthy and privileged so that the poorer Members of Parliament could escape being dependent upon the money of The Aristocracy and therefore in thrall to their private interests ? ... Remember that it took The People in Wales and England and Scotland and Ireland - and many places elsewhere - well over 300 years to obtain " one man - one vote " - ?

Over the past forty years nearly all of the progressive innovations in our societies - which were created in the 18c and 19c by The People in Wales and England and Scotland and Ireland ( and also The Empire ) in the course of mounting their various forms of resistances to The United Kingdom - have been asset stripped and plundered - Why ? How ? - Perhaps because The Democrats thought that they could convert it into a benign institution : they thought that they could entrust everything that The People in The Previous Generations had created to in order to defend themselves against The Aristocracy into the care of The United Kingdom i.e. into the care of The Aristocrats ... but perhaps not : The Democrats in Westminster have always sort to serve The Aristocracy - not The People ! ... You do not have to accept my assertion of this : just go and examine Hansard and what you will find is that the time and effort and indeed all of the money spent by The House of Commons reflects its true interests : private interests - not The Public Interest ... What this destroyed debate demonstrated are the values of The Demockerats in Westminster - of The United Kingdom : internship is basically a form of slavery for the wealthy which is entered into in expectation of future benefits i.e. access to power.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-11-04/debates/0C1D51EA-9929-413C-ACB1-499D52169C3C/NationalMinimumWage%28WorkplaceInternships%29Bill

Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet and Rothwell) (Con) - " I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. ... Today, I am delighted, having been drawn in the private Members’ Bill ballot, to introduce a Bill that makes provision for the remuneration of individuals undertaking workplace internships. ... The Bill will bring an end to a practice whereby employers regularly flout national minimum wage legislation by taking on unpaid interns to work for up to a year, often in London, for no pay but with the promise of experience and the hint of a future job. Unpaid internships are the acceptable face of unpaid labour in modern Britain today and should have no place in a meritocratic country that aims to work for the many, not the privileged few. This is a Bill to stop young people being exploited by those who gain from their unpaid endeavours. It sets about bringing an end to a new rise in the class society that means only those from a wealthy background can gain a privileged leg-up with an unpaid internship in their chosen profession. This is a Bill to level the playing field for many of my constituents in Elmet and Rothwell, who, like many parents across this country, cannot afford to pay for their child to work for up to a year with no pay. ... "

You can read in Hansard what happened for yourself - The Demockerats threw it out : they do not even want to pay their own interns the notional minimum wage ... in effect what this will lead to in the future will be that if you want a job you will have to pay your employer for the privilege of being employed for the purpose of enriching them whilst impoverishing yourself : even slaves de facto are better off than interns because slaves are at least fed, clothed, medicated and housed at their owner's expense whereas all that interns can expect to receive is a lawsuit if their employer's lawyers discover that they still have any money left ... The Aristocrats are not only re-establishing the vicious employment practices of the 18c - and actual slavery has now re-appeared in England and Wales - but they are also re-establishing the astonishingly corrupt political practices which characterised The United Kingdom in the 18c in which wealthy patronage decided who had access to a political system which granted control over various profitable functions of the state to the highest bidders - who funded their monstrous bids by selling access to ... well - everything ...

This post seems almost to have amounted to a manifesto ... just remember that power of any sort should be kept out of The Public Discourse.

The Power ( should be ) in The Law : Nomocracy !

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SEE PREVIOUS EVENT : GENA MILLER - THE LONE INDIVIDUAL WHO CHALLENGED THERESA MAY INVOKING " SOVEREIGNTY " - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4313#4313

Of course I can not leave this alone given the gift of what followed that : I believe that BREXIT was deliberately contrived by Ultraists and I believe that " The United Kingdom " is more or less an Ultraist conspiracy where different Ultraistic communities cooperate and contest to control The State in order to pursue their own private interests ... The Hierocrats in our contemporary world find their pulpits in The Media and one reason to only bother to quote The BBC news is that this is the only news that there is for the majority of The People in Wales : six stories repeated ad nauseum every fifteen minutes on BBC TV 24 Hours News channel ... but of course tabloid newspapers are more exciting ... more untruthful ... more profitable ... The Daily Mail attacked The High Court for ruling that Theresa May could not use The Royal Prerogative to evade The House of Commons scrutinising her BREXIT proposals in order to make her decision in secret : the right wing newspaper which once openly supported The British Fascist Union has described the judges involved as " The Enemies of The People."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Support_of_fascism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

Brexit court defeat for UK government

Parliament must vote on whether the UK can start the process of leaving the EU, the High Court has ruled. ... This means the government cannot trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - beginning formal exit negotiations with the EU - on its own. ...Theresa May says the referendum - and existing ministerial powers - mean MPs do not need to vote, but campaigners called this unconstitutional.

[ HOW CAN ANYONE DECIDE WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL WHEN THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN LAWYERS CAN NOT DECIPHER THE ENGLISH LAW ? ]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37874388

The 11 Supreme Court judges who could rule on UK's Brexit appeal

The government is to appeal against the High Court's ruling that Article 50 cannot be invoked without Parliament's support, so that means the case will now be heard in the Supreme Court, the highest in the land, in December. ... For the first time, all 11 of the court's permanent justices, including those from Northern Ireland and Scotland, are expected to preside over the case ...

[ BUT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM IS NOT SUPREME - AND IT IS PASSIVE : IT HAS TO RELY ON CONSCIENTIOUS PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO RISK AN AWFUL LOT OF THEIR OWN MONEY TO DEFEND THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY TAKING ON THE PRIME MINISTER WHO RISKS NONE OF HER OWN CASH : THE TAXPAYERS PAID FOR THERESA MAY'S ATTEMPT TO SUBVERT THE FEW LITTLE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS WE HAVE ]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37861888

Brexit court case: Who is Gina Miller?

" ... Gina Miller has been the lead claimant in the case to get Parliament to vote on whether the UK can start the process of leaving the EU - but who is she ? ... an investment manager and philanthropist ... She launched True and Fair with her hedge fund manager husband, Alan, which campaigns against mis-selling and hidden fund charges in the City of London's fund management industry. ... Ms Miller launched the Brexit legal case along with London-based Spanish hairdresser Deir Dos Santos and the People's Challenge group, set up by Grahame Pigney and backed by a crowd-funding campaign. ... [ Ms Miller ] said: "What we're saying is, very simply, you can't have it both ways. You can't talk about getting back a sovereign Parliament and being in control but at the same time then bypass it." ...

[ ... AND THAT FOLKS DEMONSTRATES TWO THINGS - (A) THAT WITHOUT A WRITTEN CONSTITUTION THE DEMOCKERATS IN WESTMINSTER CAN COMMIT THESE CRIMES WITH EASE - AND - (B) THAT EVEN WHEN THEIR LAW-BREAKING IS OBVIOUS WE HAVE TO MEEKLY SUBMIT TO THESE CRIMES UNLESS A FEW CONSCIENTIOUS INDIVIDUALS WITH HUGE SUMS OF MONEY WILL MAKE A STAND FOR " THE PUBLIC INTEREST " - I.E. FOR " DE RE PUBLICA " - BECAUSE " THE SUPREME COURT " IS NOT SUPREME BUT SUPINE - BUT EVEN ITS VERY EXISTENCE OFFENDS SOME ]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37883576

Brexit ruling: Lord Chancellor backs judiciary amid row

The Lord Chancellor has backed the independence of the UK's judiciary but stopped short of condemning attacks on senior judges over the Brexit ruling. ... ... The Daily Mail branded judges "Enemies of the people"; the Daily Express said it was "the day democracy died". ... ... Three judges found that the government could not start the formal process by using the royal prerogative alone, and would need the backing of both the Commons and the Lords. ... ... Following fierce criticism of the ruling, the Bar Council of England and Wales - the professional body representing barristers called for Ms Truss to defend the judges "as a matter of urgency". ... to make a clearer statement on the "unprecedented" attack which "undermines the rule of law in this country". ... In her statement, Ms Truss, who is also justice secretary, said: "The independence of the judiciary is the foundation upon which our rule of law is built and our judiciary is rightly respected the world over for its independence and impartiality. ... "

[ BUT THE JUDICIARY IS NOT INDEPENDENT IN THE UNITED KINGDOM !!! THE UNITED KINGDOM IS FOUNDED UPON SOVEREIGNTY - NOT THE RULE OF LAW !!! THE HIGH COURTS IN LONDON ARE THE WORLD OVER WIDELY HELD IN CONTEMPT FOR PARTIALITY BECAUSE ALL SORTS OF CROOKS RESORT TO THEM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR CASES IN THE COURT ROOMS OF THEIR NATIVE JURISDICTIONS !!! ]


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can not see where this is going - all I feel is that somehow or other we need a public face talking head ... on the one hand I am in favour of some kind of " Plaid Y Repwblic " simply asserting what Republicanism actually is and just campaigning to get rid of the ignorance which prepares the prejudice against the word " Republican " whether spoken or written which licences the bigots ... on the other hand I want to see a campaigning organisation of some sort - especially when we are faced with this injustice time and time and time over again ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37873922

New benefit cap starts amid fears for single parents

" ... A single mother has told the BBC she fears losing her home, on the day the new benefits cap is introduced. ... Emma Bradley, who has four children, including a baby, said she could be left £76 a week short on her rent unless she finds work. ... The cap - which limits the income households receive in certain benefits - has been reduced from £26,000 a year to £20,000 a year outside London. ... The government says the cap is "a clear incentive to move into a job"... ... The Gingerbread group, which campaigns for single parents, said 43,700 single parents with a child under the age of five would be hit by the cap. ... "The new benefit cap is likely to drive more single parents into poverty. Many will have to choose between the roof over their children's heads and other essentials such as food and heating," said Gingerbread policy officer Laura Dewar. ... But ministers say the level of the cap is fair because it is close to the average salary after tax. The Department for Work and Pensions described it as "a clear incentive to move into a job". ... "


... Now my opinion of this is that what this tells us is not that benefits are too high but that wages are too low : the same problem that was being described before World War One ... and for those who doubt my analysis that The United Kingdom is not a Democracy nor a " Monarchy " but an Aristocracy - look at the wealth distribution in these four countries or rather look at how whilst that wealth is most visible when it is being spent in London that is merely the loose change in the pockets of The Aristocrats which they are willing to declare and pat taxes upon ... Once more The Aristocrats have screwed up the economy - or rather their agents The Bankers have and those are The People in Clover who funded UKIP to take The City of London out of The European Union whilst dragging the rest of us along with them : a mere handful of their loose change they spent upon this and whilst their hedge funds have already profited and will profit it from it long before Brexit ever takes place - if it ever takes place ... I presume therefore that The Prime Minister in 10 Downing Street went to bed with her banker - Philip John May - worried as to how to pay for all of her promises to The Aristocrats and he reminded her of the repetitively tried and tested solution : blame the poor and tax them - not your friends.

You know why Robin Hood and Twm Sion Cati robbed the rich to feed the poor ? ... The poor are not worth robbing - but if you share your pickings with them you will become not only popular but place them in a position in which if the poor want the means to live they must not turn you over to those pursuing you ... Over the past hundred years it has been constantly claimed that The State is too generous ... over the previous hundred years it was constantly claimed that The Workhouse encouraged fecklessness ... at all times The People in Wealth who were saying these things refused to pay proper wages until they were coerced to do so - and also refused to pay proper taxes until they were coerced to do so ...

... Now I put it to you - and this is not Socialism but Common Sense - Justice requires not some kind of arbitrary ad hoc dispensation but the sense that everybody is being treated in the same way : it is not just crazy to rob The People in Poverty to compensate The Aristocracy for being disappointed in their investment returns having trusted The Bankers - it is financially foolish to take money from The People in Poverty just because deducting money from The State's economy provides an easy and supposedly reliable source of cash for other purposes ... The point is to tax The Economy not The People i.e. in the emotive matter of taxation everyone should be sure that they are all equal in terms of the proportion of tax levied upon them - yet the arbitrary ad hoc taxation systems within The United Kingdom are clearly not only visibly unfair because of the ways in which for The People in Poverty the price of such basic things as a loaf of bread are mostly accounted for by a whole series of taxes being paid - but also disastrously unsure because of the ways in which for The People in Wealth the price of such superfluous things as luxury yachts are mostly dis-counted for by a whole series of taxes not being paid ...

... Perhaps - since The People in Wales are nearly all in receipt of some kind of benefit from The Welfare State and are therefore identical to The People in Poverty - we may finally be able to make The Case for Common Sense once again after more than two hundred years ... we might even be able to finally re-found The United Republican Movement in Wales - but - God forbid that we will have to wait another two hundred years to in order to restore Republicanism to Welsh Political Society : we were already sorely in need of it back in 1399 - 1401 - 1413 - 1422 - 1461 - 1470 - 1471 - 1483 - 1483 - 1483 - 1485 - 1509 - 1547 - 1553 - 1553 - 1554 - 1558 - 1558 - 1603 - 1625 - 1649 - 1653 - 1658 - 1660 - 1685 - 1688 - 1694 - 1702 - 1707 - 1714 - 1727 - 1760 - 1820 - 1830 - 1837 - 1901 - 1910 - 1936 - 1936 - 1952 - not that they were all mad, sad or bad - but ... if I am going to re-tell an historical narrative about constitutionalism in Wales then Owain Glyndwr is the man to start with because above all he was a lawyer not a soldier and far from playing the rebel in 1399 it was " The Rule of Law " which he was asserting against the usurping Henry IV ... The constitution which Owain Glyndwr went on to write to unite The People in Wales - Welsh, English, Flemings, French - was a pre-cociously pre-modern project. Owain Glyndwr probably never ever heard the word " Republican " in his whole lifetime but " The Common Sense in Wales " is written down there in those constitutional documents - written in his own writing for all of us to read : from 1400 - 1405 Wales was a " republic."
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[ POLITICAL MOVEMENTS NEED A SEED CAMPAIGN TO GROW INTO A PARTY FROM ]

[ POST SCRIPT TO NOW PRE-EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED IN CATALONIA ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014

" The citizen participation process on the political future of Catalonia was a non-binding vote on the political future of Catalonia that was held by the Government of Catalonia on 9 November 2014. While also known as the Catalan independence referendum, the vote was re-branded as a "participation process" by the Government of Catalonia, after a "non-referendum popular consultation" on the same topic and for the same date had been suspended by the Constitutional Court of Spain. ... The ballot papers carried two questions: "Do you want Catalonia to become a State?" and "Do you want this State to be independent?" The second question could only be answered by those who had answered Yes to the first one. ... Minors aged 16 and 17, and also all non-Spanish residents, were allowed to vote, which in a referendum held according to Spanish law would not have been possible. ... 80.8% of the cast votes supported the Yes-Yes option, 10.1% the Yes-No, 4.5% the No option. ... "

[ READ THE LOT : QUITE APART FROM THE RESULTS THESE VOLUNTARY NON-OFFICIAL REFERENDA RESTORED NOT ONLY A SENSE OF PRIDE TO CATALONIA BUT ALSO LOCAL PRIDE AND MUTUAL EXCITEMENT BECAUSE IT GAVE THE PEOPLE IN EACH COMMUNITY A SENSE OF EMPOWERMENT IN A STATE WHERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE MANIPULATING THE PEOPLE BY ONLY PRESENTING POLITICAL OPTIONS WHICH WERE SUITED ONLY TO THE PURPOSES OF THOSE CAMPAIGNING FOR POWER OVER THE STATE I.E. THOSE WHO ARE BEING SPONSORED BY THE ARISTOCRATS IN SPAIN TO SUBSTITUTE THEIR PRIVATE INTERESTS FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST ... WHAT IS EVEN MORE INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT AS THE PEOPLE IN SPAIN STRUGGLED OUT FROM UNDER THE HEAVY LEGACY OF THE FALANGISTS THEY EXPLICITLY TURNED TO PHILIP PETIT'S BOOK " REPUBLICANISM " AND HE WENT TO ADVISE THEM AS TO WHAT TO DO.]

Here is Philip Petit talking about Civic Republicanism - and from 25.00+ he discusses Republicanism in Wales i.e. Richard Price of Llangeinor - and at 40.00+ he discusses The Rule of Law and Non-Domination of small nations - 52.30+ discussion of his consultation with José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvy86eVwva0 = Freedom with Philip Pettit - Conversations with History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Price

" Richard Price (23 February 1723 – 19 April 1791) was a Welsh moral philosopher, preacher and mathematician. ... He was also a political pamphleteer, active in radical, republican, and liberal causes such as the American Revolution. He was well-connected and fostered communication between a large number of people ... Price was visited by Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine; other American politicians such as John Adams, who later became the second president of the United States, and his wife Abigail; and British politicians such as Lord Lyttleton, Earl Stanhope ( known as "Citizen Stanhope" ), and William Pitt the Elder. He knew also the philosophers David Hume and Adam Smith. Among activists, the prison reformer John Howard counted Price as a close friend; also there were John Horne Tooke, and John and Ann Jebb. ... In early 1776 he published Observations on the Nature of Civil Liberty, the Principles of Government, and the Justice and Policy of the War with America. ... Price wrote also Observations on the importance of the American Revolution and the means of rendering it a benefit to the World (1784) ... On the 101st anniversary of the Glorious Revolution, 4 November 1789, Price preached a sermon entitled A Discourse on the Love of our Country, and ignited the pamphlet war known as the Revolution Controversy, on the political issues raised by the French Revolution. ... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Pettit

" Philip Noel Pettit (born 1945) is an Irish philosopher and political theorist. He is Laurence Rockefeller University Professor of Politics and Human Values at Princeton University and also Professor of Philosophy at the Australian National University. He was a Guggenheim Fellow. ... Pettit defends a version of republicanism in political philosophy. His book Republicanism: A Theory of Freedom and Government provided the underlying justification for political reforms in Spain under José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero. Pettit detailed his relationship with Zapatero in his A Political Philosophy in Public Life: Civic Republicanism in Zapatero's Spain, co-authored with José Luis Martí .... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Zapatero

" José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero ( born 4 August 1960 ) is a member of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE). He was elected for two terms as Prime Minister of Spain, in the 2004 and 2008 general elections. ... Among the main actions taken by the Zapatero administration were the withdrawal of Spanish troops from the Iraq war, which allegedly resulted in long-term diplomatic tensions with the George W. Bush administration; the increase of Spanish troops in Afghanistan; the idea of an Alliance of Civilizations, co-sponsored by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan; the legalisation of same-sex marriage; reform of abortion law; a controversial attempt at peace negotiation with ETA; the increase of tobacco restrictions; and the reform of various autonomous statutes, particularly the Statute of Catalonia. ... His paternal grandfather, Juan Rodríguez y Lozano (28 July 1893 – Puente Castro, León, 18 August 1936), was a Republican captain, executed by Francisco Franco's National army a month into the Spanish Civil War, for refusing to fight with them ... "

... AND THEN I GOT INTO A SKIM-FEST OF LECTURES ON THE SUBJECT ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX47aTObiw0 = Quentin Skinner = On the Liberty of Republics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMC9u7PZZCo = Jo Raz - Sovereignty & Legitimacy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgKUp_h1Mc = The World State Debate

( Reds pro World State ? Greens pro Nation State ? Whites = a multiplicity of global jurisidictions because human relationships are not geographical )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM46h2Ah5nQ = The Open Conspiracy ( H G Wells' language is now very dated but this my preferred political method )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH-NxQmf87k = Quentin Skinner - How Machiavellian was Machiavelli ?

( " Fish " was enthusing about Machiavelli over a coffee with me recently : I like " White " Machiavelli of The Discourses - not " Black " of The Prince.)

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(original post ) [TEXT THROWING OUT AN IDEA - NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT IT ! ]

When Catalans were refused an independence referendum by the state they organised a series of unofficial local referenda to demonstrate the need for it = My thought is that if Wales is dragged out of EU we are done for - but could we organise local referenda for leaving the UK in order to stay in the EU ?

[ A conversation followed with a Welsh Republican - YELLOW-GREEN ? ]

Not dragged out of anything-a very rational and sane voice of the people rejecting the very danerous corporate fascism of the eu superstate!

EU has a Constitution & real human rights - once out of it we will have neither : Arron Banks bankrolled Brexit - Gina Miller bankrolled High Court injunction ! = The UK is an Aristocracy - The EU is not : subsidiarity prevents EU from becoming the kind of superstste you fear & it is Wales' only defence !

The important point being Wales needs to come out of both corporate fascist unions and not be duped by the equally poisonous pepsi/cola false paradigm choìce pushed on us..

Thankyou ! Absolutely ! " Cymry a'r Byd ! " But do you not see the opportunity : it is very rare when Left & Right Republicans can share a political programme ?

Could I publish this conversation on the " Plaid Y Repwblic " thread ?

Hell yes!

Cant they do that even more so after coming out of the non constitutional and immoral eu though!

In 2013 I took the decision to go " Pure " & it seemed insane but compelling because of the things which I have witnessed. 2016 has laid Demockery open to view.

[ ANOTHER REPLY - FROM A ( DEEP ? ) GREEN ]

I dont see why not, there is a move in the house of lords to give Wales Dominion status.
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On a whim in distributing the above I decided to look up the list of minor parties and try to find an email for each to pitch my idea to them ... now here are the websites of most of them and you will notice that many of these parties have no stated ideological position yet they are intuitively addressing to the values of The Natural Law ( Nomos ) as recorded in those Civic Republican texts which were once a commonplace in England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland with their strong emphasis upon localism and personal morality, and their anti-party ethicality for a non-sectarian concern for arriving at an consensual agreement of The Public Interest ... now : when these are still flourishing in England - what has happened to these local parties in Wales ? ... Are not such local parties as these the natural basis - in The Natural Law - upon which to construct the basis for a " Nomocracy " - the natural basis for a " Plaid Y Repwblic " ? ...

http://republicanparty.org.uk/

http://democraticrepublicanparty.co.uk/

http://www.epsom-ewell.co.uk/

http://iffrome.org.uk/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/22/flatpack-democracy-peoples-republic-of-frome

http://gwynedd.biz/mysharedaccounts/llais/1/

http://www.residents4u.org/

http://www.eastdevonalliance.org.uk/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwentside_Independents

Democratic Independent Group

http://www.yorkshireparty.org.uk/

http://www.barnsleyindependentgroup.co.uk/

https://www.mebyonkernow.org/

http://guildfordgreenbeltgroup.co.uk/

Middlewich First - http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/2244452.elections_clean_sweep_for_middlewich_first/

http://www.puttinghartlepoolfirst.co.uk/

http://www.bordersparty.org.uk/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morecambe_Bay_Independents

http://hrg.org.uk/

https://www.scottishsocialistparty.org/

https://solidarity.scot/

... now to be honest I think that after ten years the " natural basis " of " Y Repwblic " is on show to anybody who cares to read http://repwblic.informe.com/ ... it has drifted steadily away from where it was first pitched in order to try to please those who were writing on http://ctd.6.forumer.com who never transferred their loyalties to this board but retreated instead into a Facebook group : when Leon ( City State ) opened a Facebook page ( without asking me first ) for Repwblic it was almost immediately stuck all over with " >|< " symbols by those who never actually wrote on repwblic.informe.com and I asked him to take it down because myself and others were by then writing quite conventional stuff - a lunatic version of Republicanism, but not Nationalist nonsense ... Hence having first been intended to offer a balance between Left and Right, or between Republican Democracy and Democratic Republicanism - or as I soon coined the term " The Republicans in Wales " versus " Welsh Republicans " ( there being nothing " Welsh " about Republicanism, which is a unified religio-political culture which The People in Wales have contributed to and draw upon and which is shared by " The Republicans in The World " ) - it threatened to become merely a dreadful sort of blog upon which I jotted notes towards some kind of coherent view of things which was inevitably Republican Democratic because that was my stance ...

... but meanwhile several things happened : the several reasons why I had chosen to spend time trying to repair the damage to Republicanism in Wales and return it to Welsh Political Society began to multiply as The Assembly began to accelerate Devolution and set the existing problems as if in concrete - as if the corpses of the constitutional principles which they were murdering were being buried within Y Senedd for somebody else to have to dig up later in order to try to revive i.e. once the foundations of Y Senedd begin to give way - when eventually a substantial load is placed upon them - those who did this rushed and ad hoc bit of DIY Constitutionalism will be long gone leaving others with a massive headache ... some of the reasons why I have kept Y Repwblic going I refer to but do not disclose on the board : I have joked however that if it really is necessary for me to destroy The United Kingdom in order to get rid of The English Courts because I have been denied justice so many times by The English Law - then I will persist in trying to do so ... Eventually after a combination of events in 2012 I could no longer persist in advocating Republican Democracy because it tends to confuse the issue : Republicanism became confused with Democracy in the middle of the 18c when these two antagonistic political theories were welded together in what I refer to as " The Shotgun Marriage " which was first devised by Pasquale Paoli in The Corsican Revolution of 1755 ...

... I like Spinoza so I am well aware of what happened in The Netherlands where The House of Orange bribed The Democrats to murder his friends the De Witt Brothers - The Republicans ... Likewise it was The Jacobins who seized power by inciting mob violence and the almost the first they murdered were not " The Enemies of The Republic " but The Brissotins - The Republicans in The French Revolution were murdered by The Democrats who resorted to the methods of The Monocrats - violence ... I hate violence : it is not just that I am naturally inclined towards Pacifism - nor that I object to the licencing of criminality by war - but that I am continually at risk of it because of the behaviour of politicians in Cardiff ... which is why I was steadily drawn towards Civic Republicanism with its heavy law and order agenda and the doctrine of Pacification i.e. I know from personal experience that whilst I am rather timid myself it has to be the case that self-defence is legitimate : my own rule is that I only have four cheeks - I use to count only two - four I think that fourbearance is best ... but not fourever ... and this is why - despite the obvious abuses that can arise from it - I accept clause 35 : because of what I have witnessed since 1980 ... I desire Justice : I reject Legalism.

Consequently after the injustices which I had been subjected to before and several altogether in 2012 I finally accepted the logic of the original Republican arguments and - in frustration at the pretence to " The Rule of Law " in " The United Kingdom " when it is based upon the non-principle of " Sovereignty " which licences the arbitrary acts of criminals by making them unaccountable to others and is therefore sought after by all those who want to place themselves " Beyond The Boundary " of The Law - I tore up " The Social Contract " of " The Shotgun Wedding " and for a very good reason : the " Sovereignty " of " The United Kingdom " means that this supposed marriage between Republicanism and Democracy has never been consummated in Wales - or indeed England or Scotland or Northern Ireland - because we do not have a Constitution and thus " The Human Rights Act 1998 " is no such thing because it merely defines a few lame privileges which can be suspended at any time and for any reason because of " Sovereignty." Perhaps the reason why The Isle of Man has a better political system than Wales has is because they have not been subjected to " Devolution " ... Thirty more years of Devolution and The People in Wales will be reduced to crawling on their bellies, sprouting gills and gasping for air ... in fact many of us already are ... in Tryweryn ?

Enough of the fun now : this is the cover of leaflet which I wrote in 2002 which was the first occasion on which I first deliberately chose to use the word from c1800 " REPWBLIC " in order to re-stake a claim amongst " The Republicans in Wales " for " The White Faction " i.e. The Hippy-Happy and Hoppy Republicans ... The Pacifist Internationalist Republicans in Wales ... The Civic Republicans in Wales ... The Resurrected Dead of The Centre of Republicanism in Wales ... The Sons and Daughters of The Noahide Law ... The Children of The Rainbow ... The Unlucky Thirteenth Tribe ... " Clwb 13 " ... " The Cardiff Illuminati " ... " Y Lleuadigion " ... " Y " ... " Y Repwbligwyr " ...



... " Y Repwbligwyr " is the word I preferred because it was which brought into Welsh from French c1800 for a particular purpose : to emphasise to The Supporters of The United Kingdom that those damned by this label were not respectable like " Y Weriniaethwyr " who were true patriots, rooted in Wales, spoke The King's Welsh, went to His Church and had joined His Majesty's Yeoman Cavalry - and they were definitely not like " Y Repwbligwyr " who had probably been abroad, definitely read foreign books and were possibly Unitarians - probably even Druids - and evidently not only revolutionists and insurrectionists but also smart-arses who objected to all wars - and therefore obviously traitors ... When " Y Repwbligwyr " turned out to just be normal ordinary people with lovely lively ideas their critics then scornfully starting dismissing them as fools, daydreamers, lunatics ... Later the word " Poblach " - " Poblach " is a sort of affectionate condescending term, literally " The Little People " - " People of no Consequence " - " Landless Labourers " - soon began to be snarled in the mouths of critics of " Y Poblachiaeth " - " The Worker's State " - " The Proletarian Republic " - it can mean " Soviet " if you like ...


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Some examples of my lunacy - The Model : The Ideo-Rational Analysis - converting ideologies into numbers













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As I said above : replace " The Royal Family " with " a minority ethnic group " - and remember that " Liberte, Egalite, Fraternity " is explicitly about The Rule of Law ... everybody is made equal before The Rule of Law - nobody is above it, below it or placed outside of it : there is nothing in Pure Republicanism to either grant or refuse to grant " royalty " to anyone because it is indifferent to " royalty " until somebody tries to lay claim to " Sovereignty " in which case by their own volition they deny The Rule of Law - yet can not escape from it because as " Nomocrats " The Republicans in Wales are talking about " Nomos " i.e. The Law of The Cosmos from which there is no more escape than from The Law of Gravity : even if you leave the planet and appear to be weightless you can not escape this - so you can not escape from The Nomos ... Ultraists - Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats, Monocrats in The Model - delude themselves that they can place themselves " Beyond The Boundary " e.g. in America there are those who claim to be " Republicans " yet claim that The USA has " Sovereignty " over its territory ... which apparently other nation-states do not have so The People in America can choose to disregard their version of " The Rule of Law " and murder The People in The Other Countries without being accountable to any laws whatsoever ...

... A lot of The People in Wales claim to be " Republicans " because they project all sorts of negative things onto " The Royal Family " whereas others claim to be " Royalists " because they project all sorts of positive things onto " The Royal Family " - these people are neither " Republicans " nor " Royalists " but just fantasists and their fantasies are as potentially dangerous to that " minority ethnic group " as to any other ... The idea that " Republicanism " means " Anti-Monarchism " has its origins in 19c propaganda made against those who wanted to change the non-political system to make it political in order to secure " The Rule of Law " but this meant that The Aristocracy would lose control of The United Kingdom and in particular Ireland which was previously a separate country which they deliberately bound into their polity in a crooked way which resulted in over a hundred years of mostly patient arguments punctuated by bouts of disorder as violence erupted out the anger at this crooked argument -

- " If the Irish get the vote they will vote to get out of The British Empire - so we will make Ireland part of The United Kingdom to make them into a permanent minority - and in case they try for " Home Rule " we will make it into the crime of " Treason Felony " for them to deny the " Sovereignty " of The United Kingdom over Ireland - which means that even if they do get " Home Rule " we can unilaterally end that whenever we please : how do we persuade The People in Ireland to agree to the idea that " Treason " as violence against a member of " The Royal Family " can be extended to the idea that " Treason Felony " means that even thinking quietly to themselves that Ireland is not the personal property of Queen Victoria is a crime ? ... Oh - let us just argue the matter by hanging them ... "

... The consequence of putting that idea into the heads of The People in Ireland and elsewhere was that a number of them tried to kill Queen Victoria in the mistaken belief that they were thus going to liberate " The Republic of Ireland " because the supporters of The United Kingdom had saturated everybody's minds with the idea that " Republicanism is Anti-Monarchism " - but it is not : ironically the author of this idea might be argued to be Tom Paine because he made propaganda against George III attacking him personally for betraying the American colonists by not standing up to The Aristocrats - but Tom Paine also tried to save the life of Louis XV by defending him against vicious propaganda being made by Jean-Paul Marat in The French Revolution. The difference ? Paine was reacting to events and he was a sane and truthful man - whereas Marat was projecting his fantasies and he was an insane liar ... Murder however is recognised as murder wherever you are : the laws made in different countries may differ but they are all approximations to the same thing - The Nomos - which knows no borders, nations, ages, sexes, races, religions, poverty, riches, stupidity, intelligence - which frames The Cosmos out of which we have evolved by successfully interacting with it ... which means that in order to live we must successfully interact with it : historically every successful ideology must therefore have described The Nomos and what they have all basically agreed upon as being its cardinal values are Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace and Life - in one word - Altruism.

Ultraists however do not subscribe to Republicanism - still less Altruism : what a bunch of Hierocratic ####s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37908096

Prince Harry condemns press 'abuse' of girlfriend

Prince Harry has confirmed US actress Meghan Markle is his girlfriend, in a statement from Kensington Palace attacking the media for subjecting her to a "wave of abuse and harassment". ... The statement said the couple were "a few months into a relationship" and it was "not right" that Ms Markle should be subjected to such treatment. ... It said the prince rarely took formal action over "fictional stories". ... ... has been very public - the smear on the front page of a national newspaper; the racial undertones of comment pieces; and the outright sexism and racism of social media trolls and web article comments. ... "Some of it has been hidden from the public - the nightly legal battles to keep defamatory stories out of papers; her mother having to struggle past photographers in order to get to her front door; the attempts of reporters and photographers to gain illegal entry to her home and the calls to police that followed; the substantial bribes offered by papers to her ex-boyfriend; the bombardment of nearly every friend, co-worker, and loved one in her life."

I certainly hope that when " The United Republic " replaces " The United Kingdom " only those relationships not consented to are considered to be matters of concern for The Public Interest - not those matters concerning The Private Interest in others' lives which excite The Public's Interest in others' lives : that is Ultraism - which can be considered to be placing others " Beyond The Boundary " - whereas " Altruism " can be considered to be placing others " Within The Boundary " - asserting that others' lives - as our own lives also - are all to be protected : by " The Rule of Law."
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As I said above : replace " The Royal Family " with " a minority ethnic group " - and remember that " Liberte, Egalite, Fraternity " is explicitly about The Rule of Law ... everybody is made equal before The Rule of Law - nobody is above it, below it or placed outside of it : there is nothing in Pure Republicanism to either grant or refuse to grant " royalty " to anyone because it is indifferent to " royalty " until somebody tries to lay claim to " Sovereignty " in which case by their own volition they deny The Rule of Law - yet can not escape from it because as " Nomocrats " The Republicans in Wales are talking about " Nomos " i.e. The Law of The Cosmos from which there is no more escape than from The Law of Gravity : even if you leave the planet and appear to be weightless you can not escape this - so you can not escape from The Nomos ... Ultraists - Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats, Monocrats in The Model - delude themselves that they can place themselves " Beyond The Boundary " e.g. in America there are those who claim to be " Republicans " yet claim that The USA has " Sovereignty " over its territory ... which apparently other nation-states do not have so The People in America can choose to disregard their version of " The Rule of Law " and murder The People in The Other Countries without being accountable to any laws whatsoever ...

... A lot of The People in Wales claim to be " Republicans " because they project all sorts of negative things onto " The Royal Family " whereas others claim to be " Royalists " because they project all sorts of positive things onto " The Royal Family " - these people are neither " Republicans " nor " Royalists " but just fantasists and their fantasies are as potentially dangerous to that " minority ethnic group " as to any other ... The idea that " Republicanism " means " Anti-Monarchism " has its origins in 19c propaganda made against those who wanted to change the non-political system to make it political in order to secure " The Rule of Law " but this meant that The Aristocracy would lose control of The United Kingdom and in particular Ireland which was previously a separate country which they deliberately bound into their polity in a crooked way which resulted in over a hundred years of mostly patient arguments punctuated by bouts of disorder as violence erupted out the anger at this crooked argument -

- " If the Irish get the vote they will vote to get out of The British Empire - so we will make Ireland part of The United Kingdom to make them into a permanent minority - and in case they try for " Home Rule " we will make it into the crime of " Treason Felony " for them to deny the " Sovereignty " of The United Kingdom over Ireland - which means that even if they do get " Home Rule " we can unilaterally end that whenever we please : how do we persuade The People in Ireland to agree to the idea that " Treason " as violence against a member of " The Royal Family " can be extended to the idea that " Treason Felony " means that even thinking quietly to themselves that Ireland is not the personal property of Queen Victoria is a crime ? ... Oh - let us just argue the matter by hanging them ... "

... The consequence of putting that idea into the heads of The People in Ireland and elsewhere was that a number of them tried to kill Queen Victoria in the mistaken belief that they were thus going to liberate " The Republic of Ireland " because the supporters of The United Kingdom had saturated everybody's minds with the idea that " Republicanism is Anti-Monarchism " - but it is not : ironically the author of this idea might be argued to be Tom Paine because he made propaganda against George III attacking him personally for betraying the American colonists by not standing up to The Aristocrats - but Tom Paine also tried to save the life of Louis XV by defending him against vicious propaganda being made by Jean-Paul Marat in The French Revolution. The difference ? Paine was reacting to events and he was a sane and truthful man - whereas Marat was projecting his fantasies and he was an insane liar ... Murder however is recognised as murder wherever you are : the laws made in different countries may differ but they are all approximations to the same thing - The Nomos - which knows no borders, nations, ages, sexes, races, religions, poverty, riches, stupidity, intelligence - which frames The Cosmos out of which we have evolved by successfully interacting with it ... which means that in order to live we must successfully interact with it : historically every successful ideology must therefore have described The Nomos and what they have all basically agreed upon as being its cardinal values are Truth, Love, Freedom, Peace and Life - in one word - Altruism.

Ultraists however do not subscribe to Republicanism - still less Altruism : what a bunch of Hierocratic ####s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37908096

Prince Harry condemns press 'abuse' of girlfriend

Prince Harry has confirmed US actress Meghan Markle is his girlfriend, in a statement from Kensington Palace attacking the media for subjecting her to a "wave of abuse and harassment". ... The statement said the couple were "a few months into a relationship" and it was "not right" that Ms Markle should be subjected to such treatment. ... It said the prince rarely took formal action over "fictional stories". ... ... has been very public - the smear on the front page of a national newspaper; the racial undertones of comment pieces; and the outright sexism and racism of social media trolls and web article comments. ... "Some of it has been hidden from the public - the nightly legal battles to keep defamatory stories out of papers; her mother having to struggle past photographers in order to get to her front door; the attempts of reporters and photographers to gain illegal entry to her home and the calls to police that followed; the substantial bribes offered by papers to her ex-boyfriend; the bombardment of nearly every friend, co-worker, and loved one in her life."

I certainly hope that when " The United Republic " replaces " The United Kingdom " only those relationships not consented to are considered to be matters of concern for The Public Interest - not those matters concerning The Private Interest in others' lives which excite The Public's Interest in others' lives : that is Ultraism - which can be considered to be placing others " Beyond The Boundary " - whereas " Altruism " can be considered to be placing others " Within The Boundary " - asserting that others' lives - as our own lives also - are all to be protected : by " The Rule of Law."
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WELL HERE IT COMES - THE IMPERFECT STORM - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpzUMg7_Zkg

... I woke up suddenly wondering why - why wonder ? - the BBC World Service is saying that Donald Trump is now all but elected : apparently The Conservative & Unionist Party were partying at the American Embassy anticipating that Hilary Clinton would be narrowly elected but crippled by not having control on Capitol Hill which would suit them fine - but this will not ... Donald Trump will drive Theresa May into the ground in any trade deal - preferring The USSR to The UK - so Brexit is now revealed to be Bankruptcy : the stock markets are already falling which will wipe billions off the value of The City of London which hide the remainder in The Banks in Bongo-Bongo-Land which will be a better bet than The Building Societies in The Dis-United Kingdom ... The People in Wales will all stagger to their feet unable to believe their television sets and demonstrate for more pizza and cheaper beer and since they are subjects not citizens they will eventually riot and raid their corner shops and burn them all down because the proprietors are all slightly browner because they went to Barry Island for a weekend once and ...

... And Theresa May will read my dreadful.predictions here and agree with them and pronounce that The People in Wales clearly never went to Grammar Schools and therefore are not responsible enough to cast a vote and that The United Kingdom should only be ruled by " The Best " - " The Aristos " ought to have sole power over The State - and that they will need the freedom necessary to do the necessary things like robbing The People in Poverty and feeding them to The People in Power who are the themselves The Dupes of The Demockerats who will simply lie to them and manipulate everybody and each other ... And finally they will solemnly pronounce that only the right kinds of Ant are truly Ants and all of the rest of The Ants in Westminster should be eaten ... e.g. The Nasty Bees in The House of Lords who last night by 32 votes prevented The Secretary of State from invoking " Sovereignty " to " allow " local authorities to opt out of out of being required to obey the child protection laws made by The House of Commons - basically so they can cut their budgets and get rid of their social workers without being sued ... not that the parentless dead children got rid of from the budget of The Wealthfare State by placing them into the carelessness of fister parents can sue The State - nobody else can either because The English Law was created to serve The Aristocracy : Magna Carta was written by The Aristocrats to ensure that nobody poorer than themselves could sue them - 1215 saw the end of " The Rule of Law."

Circa 07.35am the BBC asserted that Donald Trump has been elected : Hilary Clinton has not yet conceded defeat but Trump is coming out to make his victory speech - and ... oh - NBC report that Hilary Clinton has conceded defeat ... I do not know the statististics yet but apparently the whole of the American givermeant - of #### I ought not to joke : an American commentator is in tears and predicting the end of NATO and frightened by Trump admiring Putin and other Autocrats ... and - oh - Jessie and Mo and Mo and Zo - Pence is now talking of his personal relationship with God and his family - and ... now I am in tears : I will never be able to listen to the background musak provided ever again without feeling sick and - oh #### - this is sickening ... I want to switch this off - does this moronic automaton not have an " off " switch for his his his his - oh - #### - I HAVE IN FACT STARTED CRYING : I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE USA - and we ought to feel sorry for ourselves ... Trump is declaring how wonderful all of his family are - " great, wonderful, unbelievable " - i.e. how wonderful Donald Trump is ...


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Mr and Mrs Democrat believe in The Absolute Rule of The Majority_And they want to be rid of The Immigrants because of their inferiority_And they want to jail The Deviants too - and kill all of their neighbours Repwblican_But first of all : his Mrs must agree to - if she can -_Mr Democrat's Absolute Rule of " I am bigger than you - and therefore you are The Minority." = Mrs Democrat however is never going to agree with that_" You are not bigger but taller then me - and you have none of this very cute fat_So let us decide The Majority in Question by weighing ourselves upon The Scales "_" That is preposterous woman ! You are fatter than two or three whales !_My bigger importance should decide the answer - so : let us have that chat ... " = " Oh ? Since when were you so important ? " His wife then swiftly replied_" Is our marriage not based upon your love - or have you merely upon your cash relied ? "_" You do not understand me : men are different from you ! "_" Or women are different from men - which surely is more true -_Therefore - as The Woman - I am The Majority ! " ( But he then just argued that she lied.) = So they debated The Question completely - until The Dawn of The Light -_Well, no : they beat each other black and blue - until they were just too tired to fight_For neither one of us nor another will ever get our way_Unless we care to listen to what many others want to say_For decisions which have to be enforced will soon turn into farce : which is why Mr and Mrs Repwblican instead do what is right.

[ I WROTE THE FIRST PART OF THIS POEM AROUND NOON AND THE REST EARLY THIS EVENING ]

[ EVERY SO OFTEN I SHARPEN MY PURPLE BIRO AND PITCH AN IDEA TO SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT ENJOY IT - MIGHT ! - ROGER SCRUTON DOES NOT KNOW MY WORK - BUT I KNOW HIS : I MEDDLE IN AN AMATEURISH WAY IN PHILOSOPHY - AND ROGER MEDDLES IN AN AMATEURISH WAY IN ARCHITECTURE ... SO ... " TOUCHE " ... LATER I WAS FIXING THIS POEM AND SO SENT IT TO HIM IN THE HOPE OF RAISING A LAUGH - OR OFFERING AN APOLOGY FOR THIS ... http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4361#4361 ... ]

From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 11 November 2016 23:50
Subject: " WHEN THERE WILL BE AN ARMISTICE DAY " ( - you might be one of the few people actually able to appreciate what I am talking about in it ? - )

Dear Few Friends That The People Have Left ...

one of you might be the other person who can understand this ?

David B. Lawrence,

http://www.roger-scruton.com/about - knowledgeable, interesting - and often annoying !

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Subject: " WHEN THERE WILL BE AN ARMISTICE DAY " ( - you might be one of the few people actually able to appreciate what I am talking about in it ? - )


Dear Roger Scruton,

my next task of the evening was to extract the following poem from my mobile phone -

- you might be one of the few people actually able to appreciate what I am talking about in it ?

As the political disaster of " Devolution " unfolded after 1999 I became frustrated : I wanted a modern constitution ...

... in 2002 I went to a meeting billed as " Republican " which consisted of a lot of anti-monarchist anti-English drivel -

- and as a critical response I wrote a rather feeble leaflet deliberately entitled " REPWBLIC ? " - a foil to other words.

Repwblic.informe.com came into its fitful existence 7 January 2007 - but in 2013 I upset everybody by this decision :

I decided that " The Shotgun Marriage " has not been consummated in The United Kingdom : so I declared a divorce between Republicanism and Democracy and adapted American right wing constitutional arguments for use in Wales.

I have since been denounced as a " Fascist " but of course in reality I am just a woolly minded old liberal left lunatic.

David B. Lawrence,


" WHEN THERE WILL BE AN ARMISTICE DAY "

Mr and Mrs Democrat believe in The Absolute Rule of The Majority_
And they want to be rid of The Immigrants because of their inferiority_
And they want to jail The Deviants too - and kill all of their neighbours Repwblican_
But first of all : his Mrs Democrat must agree to - if she can -_
Mr Democrat's Absolute Rule of " I am bigger than you - and therefore you are The Minority."

Mrs Democrat however is never going to agree with that_
" You are not bigger but taller then me - and you have none of this very cute fat_
So let us decide The Majority in Question by weighing ourselves upon The Scales "_
" That is preposterous woman ! You are fatter than two or three whales !_
My bigger importance should decide the answer - so : let us have that chat ... "

" Oh ? Since when were you so important ? " His wife then swiftly replied_
" Is our marriage not based upon your love - or have you merely upon your cash relied ? "_
" You do not understand me : men are different from you ! "_
" Or women are different from men - which surely is more true -_
Therefore - as The Woman - I am The Majority ! " ( But he then just argued that she lied.)

So they debated The Question completely - until The Dawn of The Light -_
Well, no : they beat each other black and blue - until they were just too tired to fight_
For neither one of us nor another will ever get our way_
Unless we care to listen to what many others want to say_
For decisions which have to be enforced will soon turn into farce :

Which is why Mr and Mrs Repwblican instead do what is right.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !
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I will not paste al of this here but it contains some comments about how propaganda against Quakerism and Republicanism has led to them being misunderstood.

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4380#4380

" ... I always have had a problem with the way in which modern Quakers argue for The Peace Testimony ... Of course I agree with it - but not in the way that it is presented which boils down to " It would be nice if everybody were nice - and we want to be nice so that everybody will become nice ! " ... To be honest I feel that Peace is a fine ideal but impractical in many respects : I am not some comfortable speculator as to what would be nice who is esconced in affluent security but a very uncomfortable one forced by my poverty to live for decades with the permanent threat of violence. I get lectured upon my lack of ardor for The Peace Testimony by those who have never had to deal with violence : I have to - and I do so without resorting to violence - and nobody should assume that it is simply a matter of making sweet appeals to reason and applying balm to deranged personalities ... I never resolved my thoughts upon the matter of Peace until I decided to finally sort out my political beliefs which I did in the same way that I had set about my religious beliefs : just as I had delineated the design of a new religion and then found that Quakerism already existed, I delineated the design of a new politics and then found that Republicanism already existed ... and I think that the popular misconceptions about both have exactly the same origin : propaganda made by The Supporters of The United Kingdom against their opponents - both Quakerism and " Civic " ( " White " ) Republicanism are ideologies which arose in opposition to their oppression - and as historical examples of the same culture they are in essence exactly the same thing expressed through different ideologies.

But modern Quakers have their ideas mostly shaped by The Supporters of The United Kingdom : the word " Republican " in their minds is associated with violences of multiple sorts - not The Peace Testimony ! ... Actually as my understanding of Republicanism coalesced and I deliberately chose to weld " my version " of Republicanism to " my version " of Quakerism both were healed : each at first remedied the defects in the other and then I began to see clearly into the past histories of each and realise what had happened ... the labels in one respect do not matter too much because the underlying reality of human social relationships began to clearly be seen ... but in another respect the labels are very important : I began to come across new material because I began to ask the right questions and I got very angry about it : Ignorance, Prejudice and Bigotry not only destroyed our understanding of Republicanism but also Quakerism ... "
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Just having a chat on the mobile and since I am always desperate for material - " quantity not quality " - I will bung down my side of the conversation here ...

NEO-DRUIDRY WAS ABOUT THIS = Jean-Jacques Rousseau : The Social Contract - Book IV : Section 8 = " The dogmas of civil religion ought to be few, simple, and exactly worded, without explanation or commentary. The existence of a mighty, intelligent and beneficent Divinity, possessed of foresight and providence, the life to come, the happiness of the just, the punishment of the wicked, the sanctity of the social contract and the laws: these are its positive dogmas. Its negative dogmas I confine to one, intolerance, which is a part of the cults we have rejected." = http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon_04.htm

What I was trying to say : Republicanism PREDICTS that continued oppression MAY result in The People rising in rebellion AND it does not blame them for being violent BUT it does not advocate using violence BECAUSE the result will be that whoever wins will be the most violent & they will only pursue their ends through violence i.e. they will not be interested in politics because whatever they want they will demand with threats of violence : like Stalin they will not be interested in reality & when they can not get what they want they will kill those they think denied them what they want or resort to explaining away their failures by blaming imagined subversives eg like the Cons blaming the unemployed for not getting jobs or Labs blaming the banks. Now The Democrats simply do not know what to do : they thought that politics was about obtaining " power " but they find themselves unable to do what they wanted. The rebellion however on this occasion may come from those who previously liked to think of themselves as " The Middle Classes " because two university graduates are putting a family £100,000+ into debt : by manipulating statistics The Democrats concealed this economic crisis which has grown since 1976.

Furthermore : it has taken 40 years to reduce Wales' economy to this mess & will take 40 years of skilled government to extricate us & I do not think that we have those skills. Even if ( as I used advocate ) we were to obtain a normal modern form of government [ e.g. a tri-cameral Assembly of Representatives obtained by Popular Petition, National Proportional Representation & Constuency Delegation to repair the lack of scrutiny in The Welsh Government's legislation and policy making together with The Welsh Court to apply The Welsh Seal of State if it approves of what they have done ( which is the important Nomocratic i.e. Republican bit now missing ) ] & we could get all of these necessary things without leaving the economic shelter of The United Kingdom & so greatly improve The Public Discourse in Wales [ both in terms of Morality/Religion & Ethicality/Politics - IF WE CAN EVEN GET ALL THAT : CAN WE SURVIVE THE ONCOMING ECONOMIC CRISIS ? ] because if we can not then " Wales " will left as merely a geographical term. Our society could become completely wrecked by 2050 because The Democrats in Wales for 40 years have measured The Welsh Economy not in terms of work done but cash spent : we are bankrupt.

... Perhaps I really ought to be doing more worthwhile things ?

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Just to clarify the above for The Democrats in Wales - " political power " is an oxymoron for The Republicans in Wales : it is the basic impulse behind all those kinds of non-politics which I have classified as " Ultraist " i.e. those who seek to obtain power over The State to use it for their own ends in seeking to redefine The Public Interest - " De Re Publica " - in terms of their own private interests ... Those seeking sectarian power are The Hierocrats whose tool is hatred Lies ( e.g. Jihadis, Marxists ) The Democrats whose tool is Hatred ( e.g. The One Party State whose constituent five parties in The Welsh Assembly are all those who continue to support The United Kingdom which to us is a non-political system within which they compete to serve the - ) The Aristocrats whose tool is Enslavement ( i.e. not just by indebtedness but also by legislations which result in The People in Wales having no legal means to defend themselves because The English Laws and The English Courts are designed by The Democrats in Westminster for the purposes of those who gave them the money to get elected to serve their private interests ) The Monocrats whose tool is War ( which until 1688 was one and the same thing as The Monarchy but The Royal Family despite their wealth and privilege are but the figurehead nailed to the prow of the battleship : a minority ethnic group whom Real Republicans tend to pity rather than despise - we would like to liberate them from their gilded cage and provide them with a nice County Council Palace where they can share the same Human Right to a Life.)

Republicanism historically has often been variously claimed by all of The Ultraists - well they would all claim to that their control of The State is beneficial to everybody else wouldn't they ? - but it is yet another form of government derived from the legalistic philosophy of Cicero found in " De Re Publica " which was re-discovered in Europe c1450. It is an account of The Roman Republic written in lamentation for it after Caesar overthrew the government and engulfed Rome in a long series of civil wars as The Aristocrats in Rome fought for control of The State. This and other books about Republicanism provide those hostile to it with the flimsy basis of their claims that Republicans pursue their political objectives through conspiracies and violence yet this is precisely what Republicans have historically opposed : far from The Republicans in Wales advocating this ours is the classic " Nomocratic " stance i.e. for placing " The Power in The Law " and bringing an end to the kinds of " Power Politics " practised by The Democrats e.g. Tony Blair - who notoriously used Machiavelli's " The Prince " as his handbook : in Republican eyes this book is a savage satire which was written against the evil Cesar Borgia by the politician and playright Machiavelli whose Real Republicanism is to be found in " The Discourses."

Republicans have traditionally viewed " The Public Discourse " as consisting of two things necessary to good decision making ( in " The Model " I have added four more ) - Religion and Politics i.e. Morality and Ethics are necessarily collective discourses both because lone individuals can not understand enough of their society in order to decide either and because when The People in Wales and The World are actively engaged in debate with each other it not only educates them about the society which they live in but through this process creates a mutual sympathy and understanding which unites them together and results in " The General Will " from out of which laws and policies will proceed as statements of a shared vision and mutual advice. Note how radically different this is from the non-political practices of Democrats whose governments decide their laws and policies by using " whips " to drive " representatives " through " lobbies "after their " leaders " have " horsetraded " their " followers " votes : no scrutiny, no agreement, no mutuality, no unity - and no explanations made to The People in Wales as to what is happening : Democracy is conducted in secret and therefore by definition " The Public Discourse " does not take place - Democracy is not a political system but a foolish conjuring trick by which Democrats imagine that by providing a selection of candidates agreed by those financing their parties they can get The People in Wales and The World to legitimise what is done to them by the representatives of those who.are exploiting them.

This is why in The United Kingdom it is claimed that " The Rule of Law " means to obey those who will do violence to us if we disobey them : it does not mean this in Republicanism - which is from where The Democrats in Wales and Westminster stole those words to mimic in the 19c because they wanted to dress up in the same political clothes of The United States of America whilst not reforming The United Kingdom. Likewise they claim that The United Kingdom is " Parliamentary " and " Democratic " but it is neither : it is a constitutional mess - and not by chance ... This mess was deliberately created in the 19c - two notable authors of this rather less than artful nonsense were the non-constitutionalists Dicey and Bagehot who were more or less employed to manufacture the notion that The United Kingdom is a venerable institution which evolved over centuries : not true - the constitution used to be understood because it was clearly set out in various concordant documents and it used to be the case prior to c1840 that you could buy any of several inexpensive books explaining it clearly in plain language. The reason for this mess is that it was an attempt to prevent The People in Wales copying The People in America who used The Constitution of The United Kingdom to argue their case against The Democrats in Westminster who instead of admitting that they were violating " The Rule of Law " started a war instead : The People in The American Colonies were most upset and appealed to The King in England but there was nothing that he could do to stop The Aristocrats and their servants The Democrats in Westminster.

In the verbal part of the conversation above I reached for John Kingdom's " Government and Politics in Britain " ( 4th edition ) which is a fairly standard sort of undergraduate text of the sort that a political student is given to read in their first lesson about The Demockery in The United Kingdom. In this book's introduction you will find him stating - without any thought to the implications of this - that " politics is about power " and that the basis of that power is " deception " and that its " political authority " rests upon the " use of force and coercion " - The Democrats may smile at my summing up in brief their standard claims for what they call " Real Politik " but there is a very serious point to be made here : this is a popular DEMOCRATIC text which apparently does not even mention " Rational Decision Making " in its " Introduction " until page 12 and gives it 241 words ... The next paragraph is " Violence " on page 13 and he gives it 349 words - yay ! - WELCOME TO THE UNITED KINGDOM ... And in future please remember that maxim about how to defend yourself from a liar : liars use words as weapons not tools - in making allegations they repeat criticisms made of them.

I challenge you to compare 500 years of The Deaths in Wales caused by The Republicans in Wales in contrast to The Democrats in Wales - 1: 5,000,000+ ?

The present population of Wales is about 3,600,000 ?
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If your ideas about " Revolution " and " Republicans " are all drawn from the propaganda made by The Supporters of The United Kingdom and you think that I am a very dodgy source of information ( not true - but I am very against personal claims to authority because that tends to populism where lazy people let others think for them - the only sources of authority are facts and arguments : otherwise you will end up being ruled by The Democrats who will make you into the property of The State and then sell you as slaves to The Aristocrats ) - then trust Jonathan Israel ... well - no : take his lead and go and find out The Truth for yourself - FROM A TEXT THIS MORNING :

Jonathan Israel starts this lecture with a discussion of Richard Price born at Tynton Farm Llangeinor Glamorganshire = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcP7TAVkNQ = A confession : I made that text last night after which I fell asleep to it - later he discussed Helena Maria Williams as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcP7TAVkNQ

Jonathan Israel: Radical Enlightenment and the Making of the French Revolution (1750-1800)

UNE Center for Global Humanities

Jonathan Israel discusses the 1793 " The Rights of Man and The Duties of The Citizen " which was the constitutional agreement suppressed by The Democrats ( he calls them " The Authoritarian Populists " i.e. French Tories ) but whilst mentioning Condorcet he does not state that David Williams was asked to draught it* : Condorcet just polished up his Welsh - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Williams_(philosopher)

*YOU CAN READ ABOUT THAT AND SEE HIS DRAUGHT HERE - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2769#2769

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Israel

Ideas, persons and events mentioned in this lecture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_in_Western_secular_tradition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Price

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor%C3%A9_Gabriel_Riqueti,_comte_de_Mirabeau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Priestley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jebb_(reformer)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toleration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Constitution_of_1776

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_test

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalism_(historical)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmopolitanism [ = " general revolution " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappointment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthusiasm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Society

http://www.constitution.org/price/price_8.htm [ = " A discourse on the Love of our Country " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usurper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Darnton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_management

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_faction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_manipulation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biens_nationaux

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates-General_of_1789

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalizability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_French_Revolution

WELL THAT WAS THE FIRST FIFTEEN MINUTES OF THIS VIDEO - AND I LEFT A LOT OUT ... BUT LET US CONTINUE ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Pierre_Brissot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girondins [ = " The Republicans in The French Revolution " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_minority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_criterion [ = our problem in Wales ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law_(Catholic_Church)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_pluralism [ = Which " dai repwblic "advocates ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_law [ = Which " dai repwblic " likes ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law [ = " The Nomos " which lies at the heart of " Nomocracy " i.e. Republicanism ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_according_to_higher_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law

" The rule of law is the legal principle that law should govern a nation, as opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions of individual government officials. It primarily refers to the influence and authority of law within society, particularly as a constraint upon behaviour, including behaviour of government officials. The phrase can be traced back to 16th century Britain, and in the following century the Scottish theologian Samuel Rutherford used the phrase in his argument against the divine right of kings. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_(politics)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_terror

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin [ The Democrats in The French Revolution ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mountain [ The Democratic Party which overthrew The Rule of Law ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilien_Robespierre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_White_Terror [ The Republicans who had survived The Red Terror ]

... AT THIS POINT - 20.00+ - Jonathan Israel makes the same point that I do : that The Jacobins murderd The Girondins i.e. that The Democrats got a majority, declared those who opposed them to be " The Enemies of The People," suppressed Free Speech, killed The Republicans, ended The Rule of Law and waged war against The People who were The Enemies of The People i.e. The People in France - of whom they killed over a million : all perfectly legal if you accept the idea that " The Rule of Law " means " The State - or rather whoever controls it - determines justice by making laws." ... in which case please consider what The Democrats in Westminster are discussing at the moment : they intend to make it a criminal offence not to love them - you will be fined for refusing to vote for them, jailed if you do not drop you trousers and bend over whenever The Democrats in Wales approach you, and their new plan for The People in Poverty is to make it a crime to claim welfare punishable by death and dissection in order to sell your body parts to The People in Africa who will chop you up to make Ju-Ju ... Sorry : that joke just sounds like casual racism - they will probably also sell your still warm organs to the highest Indian bidders or possibly to The Cryogenic Corporations in The USA to freeze for profitable futures in transplantation ... Anything left over will then be minced up and creatively incorporated into the newly improved and inexpensive dinners in The Welsh Assembly ... your bones will be distributed to The State Schools in Wales for our children to gnaw upon : all mention of " school dinners " and " education " will be banned by The Hierocracy which takes over The BBC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy [ " Liberal Monarchism " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montesquieu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Louis_XVI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_democracy [ " Authoritarian Populists " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Antoine_de_Saint-Just

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_associated_with_the_French_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Friends_of_the_Blacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_access_to_education

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Gibbon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Maria_Williams [ = " our poetic reporter " ]

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-bastille-a-vision/ [ " The Bastille " ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoire_des_deux_Indes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Thomas_Fran%C3%A7ois_Raynal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship

https://frda.stanford.edu/en/catalog/gs137pg1157



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_French_Revolution



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_de_Condorcet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympe_de_Gouges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Woman_and_the_Female_Citizen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etta_Palm_d%27Aelders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_Society_of_Patriots_of_Both_Sexes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Vindication_of_the_Rights_of_Woman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Condorcet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-sex_education

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce

... PHEW - ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH ? ... HAVE I GIVEN THIS FOUR - FIVE HOURS - ON OR OFF ? ... WAIT !!! ... IS HE BACK TO HELEN MARIA WILLIAMS ???

Look ... I have got to stop : do you not understand what The Supporters of The United Kingdom did to Wales and its history in the 19c ? ... The Republicans in Wales were participants in The First Division Of European Political Philosophy from 1450-1850 : this is what The Democrats in Wales still refuse to acknowledge - and what I have listed is but a sample from the thing which we have lost to their stupid ignorances, foolish prejudices and downright vicious bigotries - this our Europe's political heritage ... and therefore it really is OUR heritage and I personally question whether those who reject their nation's political heritage can be deemed to be OUR politicians - even if they have deceived The People in Wales into accepting them : I do not expect other politicians to agree with me BECAUSE I am a Republican - because I believe in a tolerant and pluralistic society ... and I stand against those who demand that others subscribe to their " Demockery " because they definitely do not believe in a tolerant and pluralistic society : I know this from my own personal experience and also from forty years observing how The Democrats in Wales and Westminster misbehave and - more importantly - misbelieve ...

Democracy is not a political system : voting is not the way to take any kind of a decision - elections deceive The People in Wales and The World into believing that they have given The Democrats " power " ... well - yes : but only by believing in this Democratic nonsense. Decisions should be taken on the basis of facts and arguments - decisions should be both rational and reasonable : such decisions tend to be very unpopular with those who have been indoctrinated into ignorance, prejudice and bigotry by The Supporters of The United Kingdom - but the lesson of The History in Wales is that those who are rational and reasonable and therefore very unpopular are also the ones who change things ... So stop worrying about being unpopular with The Democrats in Wales and get on with those necessary things which you can do : look forward to the smug satisfaction of seeing them trying to imitate the things which you have said and done when you succeed at things - that is all that The Democrats in Wales " success " is based upon - they are incompetent ... " Power " is not the basis of success in politics : lying and emotional manipulation are the skills necessary to being elected - and if you do not believe me look back on the events of 2016 ... The Democrats in Wales and The World know how to win elections and referendums - but Trump does not understand politics and May has retreated into secrecy, deception and invoking " Sovereignty " because she does not actually know how to do politics - none of them do.


http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4417#4417 = " The Bastille " etc poems by Helen Maria Williams

I like that Bastille poem so I went looking for it : since I last searched for her much more has been published.
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[TEXT : I CAN NOT WRITE MUCH AT THE MOMENT DUE TO THE CALLOUS ON MY FOREFINGER - CAUSED BY " Y REPWBLIC " ]

My pun "dai+violets"=" god+napoleon"possession of "The Violets" was illegal in 19c so The People in France grew "The Pansies" instead as a pun on "The Thinkers" & also "Tread on us & yet more will grow" = Republicanism as "Freethought" is still "Born in The USA" = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o_lOQiDsLyY

------- Let me have a browse whilst the pasta soaks ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe1ljUi1ecs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MaSLaX0yMY0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkUUFyUdWEE

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(xyz) you are the film buff : apparently I had a starring role in this film - but I have forgotten which one it was = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4oRkUf0T2kY

Ah : the film was Charlie Chaplin's " A King in New York " and the little Anarchist was Michael Chaplin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_King_in_New_York

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtcTfLi1bb4 = DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF " A KING IN NEW YORK "

Of course Charlie Chaplin was never political = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wyRRtmKix0
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought


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Dear Friends of The Friends of The Republic in Wales,

I am in a mess but I do not despair ... but I understand that many of you are not in a mess but do despair : try reading this -

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4340#4340

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[ LATTER PART OF AN OTHERWISE PRIVATE DISCUSSION - BASICALLY : STOP WAITING FOR THE MESSIAH AND JUST DO IT ]

... I am writing that with a smile on my face : yours is a different kind of odd to my odd ... but you are very photogenic ...

... and good at organising things : I am intending to expound upon Llais Gwynedd as an organisational model to copy ...

I do not have the time to explain why this morning : I think that there will be many practical advantages to micro-parties.

I AM A POLITICAL SCRIBBLER NOT A PARTY LEADER : HERE IS MY BRIEF ANALYSIS AND MY ADVICE TO ALL REPUBLICANS.

You had the ability to create the Cardiff Bay Republican Day with the very slim resources that micro-parties can operate on.

I do not have time to do this work properly until mid 2017 - by which time the postponed 2016 local elections will be over.

There is enough time for mere handfuls of people who share a political viewpoint to organise to contest these otherwise one-horse races where the council seat is often being handed down father to son : their electors will hunger for a change.

My reasoning is that The People in Wales have now witnessed for themselves what I have been warning against in using the term " Demockery " and they will welcome having the constitutional precautions of Republicanism explained to them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_local_elections,_2017

Thursday 4 May 2017 to elect members of all 22 local authorities - the 2017 elections were postponed for a year in order to avoid clashing with the 2016 Welsh Assembly elections. [ I.E. MORE EVIDENCE OF INCOMPETENT CONSTITUTIONALITY ]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2017#Wales

22 COUNCILS = [ 10 Labour & Cooperative ] + [ 2 Independent ] + [ 10 NO OVERALL CONTROL ]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-17677966

Vote 2012: Almost 100 Welsh councillors returned unopposed before elections
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-half-wales-community-council-6452428

30 December 2013 : Nearly half of Wales’ community council seats were left uncontested Total of 45% of community councillors in Wales stood unopposed at last year’s local elections

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SUBSEQUENT THOUGHTS ABOUT " MICRO-PARTIES " ( big in Australia )
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Australia

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/micro_party

Australian : a small political party, typically one focusing on a single issue:
‘the government will need the support of senators representing micro parties’

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/micro-party

mainly Australian and New Zealand a small political party, esp one focusing on a single issue

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/22/crossbench-senators-seething-at-being-dumped-in-deal-to-curb-micro-parties

[ 22-02-16 ] Crossbench senators seething at being 'dumped' in deal to curb micro-parties ... The Victorian independent senator John Madigan denounced what he saw as “political trickery of the highest order”. ... The shadow cabinet was meeting on Monday night to try to determine Labor’s position on the laws after deep divisions between the Senate leadership team, which opposes them, and the former shadow minister Gary Gray, who is firmly in favour. ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-15/how-senate-voting-regorms-could-wipe-out-microparties/7246732?pfmredir=sm

[ 14-03-16 ] Micro parties keep fighting as Senate voting reforms threaten to wipe out major party alternatives ... Senate voting reforms being debated this week could see a wipe out of micro parties in Australia and kill off a trend three decades in the making. ... The number of micro parties has been on the rise since group ticket voting was introduced by Labor in the mid-1980s. In 1984, 18 political parties were registered for the federal election. The tally at the last vote was three times that, even without the additional 23 branches of the major parties. ... Australian National University academic John Warhurst said micro parties had only really come to the fore in the past few years, as a result of the major parties being "generally on the nose". ...

http://theaimn.com/micro-parties-will-survive/

[ 26-03-16 ] The Micro Parties Will Survive ... There seems to be near universal agreement that Malcolm Turnbull, aided and abetted by the Greens, has dealt a death blow to the micro parties. ... Ask yourself, all those people whose preferences ended up with Ricky Muir, how many of them regret it? The answer is, I suggest, approximately none. They got what they voted for. Because they weren’t really voting for anybody so much as they were voting against the major parties. ... In 2007, 11% of voters cast their first preference for a micro party or an independent ...

http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/record-numbers-plan-to-vote-for-independent-candidates-or-microparties-poll-finds/news-story/03e0a6da4b941e152cd13fb102dbfff9

[ 06-06-16 ] ... federal election - Record numbers plan to vote for independent candidates or micro-parties, poll finds ... voters seem to be fed up with the major parties with a record number saying they are looking to support other candidates ... The latest Newspoll published in The Australian today held bad news for both the Coalition and Labor, with a record 15 per cent of voters saying they plan to support independent candidates or a micro-party in the election. ... The Prime Minister ... [ said ] ... “A vote for anyone other than my Coalition team is a vote for chaos,” ... [ AH-HA - CAUTION : THE DEMOCKERATS IN OZ AT WORK ]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/micro-parties-harvest-three-seats-in-senate/story-fn9qr68y-1226714827198

[ 09-09-16 ] ... Micro-parties 'harvest' three seats in Senate ... shrewd Senate strategies have delivered for three of the members of the national alliance of minor parties ... As counting continues, the minor parties are claiming the scalp of Labor Right warlord Don Farrell in South Australia and could threaten influential Liberal and expected cabinet member Arthur Sinodinos or his colleagues Simon Birmingham and Helen Kroger ...

[ THE DEMOCKERATS IN AUSTRALIA TRIED TO MANIPULATE THE POLITICAL SYSTEM TO MAKE THE ELECTORATE VOTE ONLY FOR THEIR PARTIES BY EXCLUDING MICRO PARTIES AND FINING NON-VOTERS WHICH IS WHAT THE WELSH ASSEMBLY WANTS TO DO.]

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Aren't you lot lucky that I am laying here with a massive gut ache and that writing on Y Repwblic is my displacement activity for avoiding facing up to doing more serious things ?

As you know I like to fool around with otherwise very serious matters ... and one of the best things since sliced head about Republicanism is its wealth of ideas, culture and history from out of which turns up all sorts of interesting things to use and improvise new things such as " Y Llaw Agored." Now for me Republicanism is " The Politics of Love " because it is all about " The People in Wales and The World " - indeed the further that The People are away from me the more that I love them ... " Y Llaw Agored " is a very good thing to adopt as a badge for Republicans because in the past decade - apparently by coincidence as I began to think about it - nearly every charitable organisation has used the same image of " The Open Hand " to advertise their work and it has also been used by CND and other campaigning groups : it has effectively already become The Symbol of The People in Wales who give The World a friendly wave of " The Open Hand," who raise " The Open Hand " to ask those questions which The Democrats in Wales either can not or do not want to answer - and it is " Y Llaw Agored " which we thrust forwards in protest to signify " STOP ! " ...

... The only down-side that I can see in " The Open Hand " as a symbol is that it could be mistaken for somebody raising their hand to vote - which is why when I make the gesture of " Y Llaw Agored " I hold my right hand just in front of my chest and then point to its palm with my left forefinger as I unfurl my fingers and thumb and briefly stretch them wide to sort of " flash " the gesture towards the person that I am greeting ... I can assure you that there is absolutely nothing Demockeratic about the gesture when presented in this manner ...

... " Y Llaw Agored " is not only already a symbol shared which could be used to create a sense of shared identity between those struggling to defend the charitable sector and who typically are already political campaigners who are trying to defend The People in Wales from The Democrats in Wales and Westminster - it is a symbol which has a long political history in Republicanism and is a worldwide natural human gesture of friendliness - " Look : there is nothing in my hand - I am approaching you in Peace ! " - and in The Republic in Rome it was explicitly associated with ordinary citizens ... sort of ... Because that most well know of Republican symbols " The Eagle " ( put the latin word here dai ! ) was a military standard bestowed upon The Monocrats i.e. to give them the right to lead a Roman army - " The Legion " was a private army which could only be commanded by those rich enough to equip it in order to go out and recoup the cost of it by conquest ... " The Dragon " ( Draco ) was the standard carried by the cavalry units whose officers were drawn from The Aristocrats and who had to pay for their commissions, armour and horses etc ...

... Each legion had only one Eagle ( held at the back where it was invisible to both the enemy and the legion ) and possibly only two Dragons on on either side ( which made a loud noise like a siren as they moved back and forth in the breeze : these were brazen heads on long poles streaming purple windsocks ) but the legion in battle appeared as a forest of the iron standards carried by each infantry unit which was named the " manipule " ( " handful " ) after it - " The Hand " ( Manus ) thus became a symbol of the ordinary citizens who found themselves pensioned off into poverty at the end of long military careers in the service of those that they now had to beg from ... Now I have written about this more at length elsewhere and you can use search to find the stories involved in this : the important point to make here is how those years of danger had bonded together the survivors when they returned home to exercise their rights in The Republic in Rome ... There were no political parties as we know them today - there were just handfuls of men and women sat around a table each evening to talk and to share a pot of tea, a packet of Hobnobs and ... well of course there were no cigarettes : their wives made them stand in the yard to smoke ...

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... Perhaps you are now complaining that I am fooling around again : YES ! ... Let me tell you some serious things then - briefly : whilst I was nearby on the night of the 28th April 1982 I was sat in Cardiff Royal Infirmary having the hole in my foot stitched up after I took out my frustration at so many things going horribly wrong on the same day on a door that did not have safety glass in it ... I still limp to this day : take this as a lesson please in the consequences of mindless violence and practice mindful non-violence instead ... I went to live in Grangetown and left Cathays behind me but gradually began to take an interest in the events around me again : the infamous trial of the Welsh Socialist Republican Movement was going on amongst other things and eventually I read John Osmond's book " Police Conspiracy ? " and turned a page and stared at the face of Dafydd Ladd and I thought - " YOU BASTARD !!! " - I did not know that the person that I had chatted to once so intensely in " 108 " over the selection of back copies of " Black Flag " was the person who had destroyed the WRSM : so easy to talk to, plausible ... pleasant ... and a lesson I think to learn from ...

... Micro-parties ? ... I have joked elsewhere of The Republicans in Wales being " The Ghosts in The Political Machine " whose existence is flatly denied unless we are sat in committee opposite The Democrats in Wales in which case we are denounced as criminals etc which tells you a lot more about The Supporters of The United Kingdom than The Supporters of The United Republic ... What are The Republicans in Wales actually like in my experience ? ... Shy bookish people for the most part if you are asking about The Real Thing : but there is also The Unreal Thing where young men lacking in self-esteem - and in all probability rejected by The British Army as being unfit for military service - opt to be anti-heroes and these can be found posing in their bedrooms, dressed in camouflage pattern pyjamas, brandishing plastic pistols and mumbling nonsense through their black balaclavas ... where does this image - and those previous images of slack-jawed deformed ghouls waving tricolours and guillotines come from ? ... Propaganda : if guns and balaclavas have anything to do with politics then presumably all those found in possession of such things are also to be counted as Republicans e.g. Jihadis, Mafiosa, The British Army, The Countryside Alliance and ... oh - alright : The Countryside Alliance might well be " The Republicans in The Home Counties " ... and they might well know the phrase - " A Ghost of Gnats."

Long before I started muttering the word " micro-party " I already had in mind the kind of advice that I was thinking of giving several years ago : in the aftermath of the WSRM trial with others fighting for control of " 108 " that infamous imporium nearby opened its doors to cats, rats and the less discerning book-browsing readership of " Galahads " whose proprietor was one Dafydd ap Geler Thomas ... and from out of his jokey conversations " The Cardiff Illumnati " aglomerated : and I strongly suggest that you copy our very model of a modern major generally disorganisational Republican micro-party ... Friendship is the best basis for Republican politics - and you will need to actually be interested in everything that everybody wants to discuss : Republicans like to party and so we intensely dislike Democratic parties because they only want to invite those of like minds and they are inevitably thrown by those who think that everybody's mind should be like their own ... Every week end - more often if possible - get together with a small group of people whose views are unlike your own and cultivate the art of understanding each other : this is the social basis of Republicanism.

Those of you who know " The 3D Model " are aware that at the centre of it is " White " - the Republican's political colour : the central panel of many Republican flags e.g. The 1848 Irish Tricolour was Orange, White, Green and this was reversed in 1916 : " Catholic=( Peace between )=Protestant." Republicanism offers practical ways to obtain a Peace between opposing factions - but you can not just wave " Y Faner Wen " and expect Peace to happen : you have to practice the skill of making Peace which is Politics ... It is easiest in words to describe " The 3D Model " as a cube with its opposite sides paired ( Purple V Yellow ) ( Red V Green ) ( Orange V Blue ) and to think of these as representing six psychological dispositions which predispose a person towards certain choices of sectarian ideologies whose words and labels have changed over the centuries but which keep on displaying the same themes e.g. in the 17c Diggers, in the 20c Anarchists. What Republicanism aims for are the multiple dialectical processes which result in the participants increasing their understanding of each others' ideologies : the objective is not the Democratic one of contesting against an " enemy " with appeals to " the private interests " of " allies " in return for the necessary votes to " win " the " argument " and gain " control " ( because this is egotistical and illusory ) - but the Republican objective of cooperation with " friends " because " The Public Interest " makes all sane people " allies " and the argument can only be decided through developing our understanding of the problem and discovering how to work together to control it - or agreeing that we do not understand and can not control it. ... I think that you may now understand why traditionally Republicans treated Democrats with contempt ? ... Voting is not a political process.

There is one distinct advantage however in the Democratic method of civil wars conducted through voting : it is low-down, quick and dirty ... if you like that sort of thing ... e.g. I was asked to prepare the articles and memoranda to divide a community cooperative into a community cooperative and a workers' cooperative and naturally I took some time over it consulting with those involved ... I am about to simplify and bend this story to illustrate my point ... When the time arrived to make the decision - which was at the end of the agenda because there was bound to be an extended discussion in order to achieve the reconciliation necessary to arrive at the consensus - the dozen or so participants sat around the table who had been involved in this process and thoroughly understood all of the matter were suddenly joined from the bar by many more ... Instead of even listening to that discussion and without participating in the process at all the person who had been ringing them up and demanding their loyal support ever since he got the papers called for a vote and despite those actually involved besides himself and his colleague all voting for the motion it was defeated - say 10 / 40 ... These two walked off looking smug : what was later discovered was that they had " borrowed " money allotted to other projects within the community cooperative to " pay " their own salaries because they had failed to secure a grant but were sure that they were going to get the next grant ... Only a matter of weeks later - at Christmas - everybody's paycheck bounced and it was discovered that the accounts reports that we had been signing off each month bore no resemblance to the actual bank accounts which were in the care of his colleague. Those who had rushed to loyally follow their charismatic leader because he was such a kind and convivial man who relieved them of the burden of understanding the decision which they were voting on blamed us. I had volunteered my skills so I got to walk away unscathed which I did with an amount of disgust when these two were neither sacked nor repaid the mortgage penalties paid by their colleagues : " Demockerats."

I keep on thinking of things to write - but ... are " micro-parties " like those in Australia possible ? ... No : they are a product of a certain constitutional system which we do not have - but ... For those of you who think that you will not be corrupted by Democracy - which is not a political system at all and is irredemiably corrupt and will corrupt you ( which will not be my last warning on that subject ) - and have dreams of founding a finally successful Welsh Democratic Republican Party of some sort ... one advantage I see in micro-parties is that they can be " The Ghost of Nats " and therefore not suffer from the problems of those conventional political parties which mostly fail because their founders do not understand political organisations and because they have grandiose delusions of national leadership ... and in the particular Republican case we have seen such parties besieged by those either looking for or manufacturing conspiracies etc : it is not just the money and membership which will not materialise it is the police provocateurs and pantomime paramilitaries which turn me off the idea of Democratical Parties and their Non-Politics ... But let me see if I can turn you on to the idea of Republicanical Micro-Parties and Politics ...

... You know who your friends are : you have known them for years - and the buggers are never persuaded by your political arguments - and you are used to long evenings of complaining about the state of affairs in your local community - and that shiftless idle layabout of a councillor can hardly be bothered to hold local surgeries let alone go down the road to County Council meetings and ... but he knows that you will vote for him - if you can be bothered to vote - because he is the only one who ever stands for election ... yet everybody grumbles about him : he can not write a proper letter - he certainly can not read a balance sheet - but, yes - his expense claims are filled out immaculately and the amount of them added onto his basic salary of ... £18,000 ? ... is how much ? ... And there was that all-expenses trip which he and his mates took to Bangkok to research all the possibilities that they might use to provide against youth unemployment in your valley and ... hang on a sec - £18,000 - AND A SECURE JOB FOR FIVE YEARS - OR LIFE IN HIS CASE ? ... Look : ring up your mates and get their wives in on this too - send yours off down the Coop for another pint of milk and a packet of Hobnobs - AND START A MICRO-PARTY !!! ... You can start by partying around the kitchen table : honest - apparently there will be over a hundred uncontested council seats out there in 2017 ... my suggestion is that if your " micro-party " is only contesting a single council seat then you will not be required to register as a political party ...

... SO PUT THE KETTLE ON - AND RING YOUR FRIENDS !!!

[ POST SCRIPT : DO NOT TELL YOUR FRIENDS THAT THEY ARE NOW " REPUBLICAN " UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE GOT THEM ELECTED ]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/how-wales-1254-councillors-split-11383390
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[color=redThe People in Wales have now finally outgrown_Their Demockerats in every town -_Village and hamlet - city and suburb :_We are now all fed up of their cant and their blurb_The Republican Seed has been truly re-sown ... dai repwblic =David B Lawrence : author asserts his moral right not to sue for copyright [/color]

The People in Wales have now finally outgrown_
Their Demockerats in every town -_
Village and hamlet - city and suburb :_
We are now all fed up of their cant and their blurb -_
The Republican Seed has been truly re-sown ...

dai repwblic =Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !
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