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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:58 pm    Post subject: Republicanism V Democracy : The Debate Reply with quote

Here are some Youtube examples of people arguing about why Republicanism is superior to Democracy ... in case you thought they were the same thing ... by the way - the arguments are being slanted here, as you will enjoy discovering in my own scribbling ... note Republicanism as ' the rule of law ' ... and how the concept over the pond has been viciously mixed up with ' Americanism ' i.e. Nationalism ... this Republicanism v Democracy argument has been very popular in the USA - and is still not resolved - since the 1770s !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I42Ez46vJ_8 Constitution Lectures 4: Democracy or Republic? (HD version) [ POSSIBLY MOST ACADEMICALLY RESPECTABLE HERE ? ]

Uploaded on 24 Feb 2010

The Constitution sets up the United States as a republic, not a democracy. This lecture covers the difference between a democracy and a republic and why it's so important.

{ AND WE IN WALES SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THIS TOO - ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMc6_EDwW7E Constitution Lectures 5: Federalism vs. Nationalism (HD version)

Uploaded on 25 Feb 2010
While the Constitution was framed, debate was split over whether we should have a federalist or a nationalist government. This lecture covers the controversy and how it was resolved in the Constitution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0 Republic vs Democracy

Uploaded on 24 Jan 2009

Our system of government was never intended to be a democracy. Although many believe that we live in one, they have never been asked to vote on the decisions made by said government. Yet they believe that they are empowered just the same. We are not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJyuXSW5nA A Republic, Not A Democracy

Uploaded on 26 Apr 2011

The Dan Smoot Report The true form of the US Government is a Republic, Not A Democracy. Not merely a symantic difference. The Founding Fathers despised democracy. They formed a Republic to guard against rule by majority. First we were told we were a democracy, then the republic was transformed into a democracy. Now we are witnessing the democracy collapse into dictatorship. http://federalexpression.wordpress.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz3fWFoFkxk Ron Paul - A Democracy vs. A Republic

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfnbf1wQKJg

Uploaded on 26 Dec 2009

What exactly is the difference between a republic and a pure democracy? Find out by watching! http://fascistsoup.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZewbMnVVBo Democracy vs Republic

Uploaded on 18 Jul 2008

Short vid showing the differences between a Democracy and a Republic { have a bucket ready to cry into / vomit into / shout into }

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZVftN3aEqM

Published on 9 Jul 2013

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications on minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system where citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. However, in a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure" democracy, the majority is not restrained and can impose its will on the minority. All this is explained in the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez6LMM4sPbc [ AN AMERICAN BLACK FACTION ? ]

Published on 18 Jul 2013

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Subject: FW: not that I agree with it but it explains Republicanism
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:21:51 +0000

Dear

I might add to that : obviously I am not a Raving Rightie - but Wales desperately lacks a leaven of Republicanism in its political system e.g. Hawliau campaign for ' national rights ' but apart from this Notionalism they don't even grasp that we do not have any rights at all of any sort in the sense that they have in the USA : everything which Americans take for granted as their inalienable rights are utterly alienable in the United Kingdom - every law we possess we do not possess, because in theory every law can be disregarded if the political elite decide that it is inconvenient to their government.

That is why my number one political priority is the rule of law and The Welsh Court to decide how to draught the Welsh Government's Bills and to determine whether or not the Welsh Assembly's Acts can be made into Laws or not.

David B Lawrence

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:07:24 +0000

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2411#2411

I think that by the time you get to the bottom you are getting close to Fascism - everybody lays claim to this argument !

Surely ' government ' means the process of regulating the relationships in society - but who by and who for ?

Plenty of organisations ' govern ' society without being elected or accountable, surely ?

Used to be, probably still is, problem with chapels & churches, essentially local community governments in the 19c ?

David B. Lawrence,

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 03:12:40 +0100

This is great, thanks. Which bits don't you agree with? Isn't fascism classically defined as corporate rule over government and therefore the deletion of government ?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

Did I share this before with you ? I just came across it once again - not that I agree with it but it explains Republicanism

David B Lawrence
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( Continuing that discussion - )

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:03:46 +0100

A government ruled by law...

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:29:46 +0000

Dear ( abcd,)

I can only hope that a firm emphasis upon ' the rule of law ' appeals to you : it certainly confronts the black faction with a problem : if in American terminology they are to be ' a well ordered militia ' then they have to submit to and uphold the rule of law by registering with a local sheriff or lord lieutenant and being directed in their activities by the judiciary ... Smile

I guess that what you still will not like is the idea of the sovereignty being located in the law, the laws having their sovereignty measured according to the amount of justice which they are perceived to contain by those who consent to them - or who do not consent to them because they find no justice therein - or who consent only to that part of a law which is just and who feel a sense of duty to argue against any injustice especially unjust laws which institutionalise an injustice.

It is a different principle to that of sovereignty being located in the people, which leads to a law being pronounced as just simply because a principle has been made into law by a majority of the people. The sovereignty of the people leads to such arbitrary legalisms as ' The People ' meaning only men, or only white men, or only rich white men : laws in the past defined Democracy in those terms and a modern example of this is Cameron campaigning to stop prisoners having votes.

The European Court has ruled that prisoners are people too and are entitled to have a vote, and from my point of view this is the correct point of view because otherwise those held in captivity - however bad their crimes - are being thrown out of society entirely, which is hardly conducive to their rehabilitation. Perhaps the problem is that if a large number of prisoners voted in a single constituency because of the location of the prison they would skew the ballot : surely giving the prisoners of the United Kingdom their own specialised representatives dedicated to their peculiar problems would be a solution ?

Of course, we are all just prisoners of the United Kingdom ...

David B Lawrence
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MINI-FILM-FEST : R v D = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqlaFRevf5Q = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0wNXzcZls

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I HAVE DECIDED TO COME BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY AND PICK SOME MORE : A LOT OF THE FAR RIGHT IN THE USA LIKE THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE IN THEIR FAVOUR - BUT BASICALLY THEY PLAN TO SUBVERT THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION WHICH HAS BEEN EXPLICITLY " DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN " SINCE THE END OF THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY ... WHAT MADE AMERICANS VERY DETERMINED TO EMPHASISE THAT IN AMERICA - " DEMOCRACY LEADS REPUBLICANISM "- WAS THEIR WITNESSING THE EXCESSES OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION WHICH WAS " REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT " I.E. IT WAS LED BY THOSE WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD JUST WRITE JUST LAWS AND IMPOSE THEM WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE - AND TREAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED THEM AS " THE ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE " ... HERE IN 21C WALES HOWEVER WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM TO THOSE IN 18C FRANCE BECAUSE THE ARISTOCRATS STILL RULE US THROUGH THE DEMOCKERY OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM " THE UNITED KINGDOM " - WE NEED TO PUT AN END TO THIS AND WE NEED A PLAN - " THE REPUBLICANS MUST PERSUADE THE DEMOCRATS " I.E. AS " THE REPUBLICANS IN WALES " WE NEED TO PURSUE - " REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C_YBhY11yA - Constitution Lecture 4: Democracy or Republic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJyuXSW5nA - A Republic, Not A Democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiKAs8Po24I - Democracy vs. Republic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz3fWFoFkxk - Ron Paul - A Democracy vs. A Republic

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Noam Chomsky remarking about what I believe : that we already live in a One Party World State -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdk5n68gdM - Noam Chomsky - America is NOT a Democracy

- and here is Noam Chomsky talking about The People being trapped in between Emperors V Pirates - which is much the same idea as when I talk of " The Republicans in Wales " being trapped in between " The Big Black Faction " V " The Little Black Faction " = The United Kingdom V ( The Other Lot - which we encounter at Cilmeri each year ) = which leads into his comment about - " How to stop Terrorism ! "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqznqIpkZz0 - "Who does control the world?" - Noam Chomsky - BBC interview 2003
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THIS POSSIBLY A GOOD PLACE TO PASTE IN A COPY OF THIS EMAIL TO MY NEW SOLICITORS - NOT SENT BUT NOT A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME

From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 06 December 2016 22:46
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Subject: NOT SENT - DRAFT : THE AGREEMENT : 19.1 - I instruct you to disclose any concerns that you have about myself and my activities to the relevant agencies.

[ TO MY NEW SOLICITORS : THEY HAVE A DUTY TO REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES TO THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES ]

Dear XXXX XXXX

This is wholly separate from the ongoing matter : I pay out small sums from my pocket to fund the activities of " Y Repwblic."

" Y Repwblic " is ten years old 07-01-17 and we thought of an account to collect revenue when it hit $140,000 but it declined.

[ IF YOU ARE CONTENT WITH THIS YOU CAN FORWARD IT TO RELEVANT AGENCIES TO SAY THAT YOU ARE MY SOLICITOR.]

I do not know how things are going to work out between myself and XXXX but I am very pleased with [ my new solicitors.]

I suspect that I will appear to you as somebody who could prove to be troublesome : as a litigious lunatic perhaps ? - No ! I probably ought to be regarded as odd and perhaps eccentric from a conventional point of view - especially as a Republican.

Not only close friends but other Republicans were alarmed by my call for a divorce between Republicanism and Democracy in 2013.

One reason for doing this was to challenge people to ask what politics actually is : my answer is " facts and arguments only."

Republicanism is about designing political systems which are decision making processes - which ought to rely on facts and arguments.

My argument against Democratic processes is that they rely upon voting which collects few facts and ignores arguments.

The source of political authority is neither the state nor majorities but in the lives of individuals : in facts and arguments.

I came to Republicanism with an Anarcho-Legalist point of view : The Law contains the record of the facts and arguments.

Republicanism began c1450 with the rediscovery of Cicero's and others' writings about the politics of The Republic in Rome.

( Note that I refer to " The Republic in Wales and The World " - " The Republic in France " is not the same as " The French Republic " )

There is a centuries old antagonism between Republicans and Democrats but The People in Wales generally do not know this.

The People in Wales believe that Republicanism is " Democratic " and " against The Royal Family " but historically neither are true.

My reviving old arguments against Democracy was regarded with horror in 2013 - but after events in 2016 people began to understand.

e.g. Gina Miller's challenging the use of The Royal Prerogative to enable BREXIT has demonstrated the need for a written constitution.

Democracy conducted without a constitution is dangerous - especially without Human Rights : the privileges in HRA 1998 are unsafe.

I became an active advocate of Republicanism in 2002 for various reasons including my reaction to what has unfolded in " Devolution."

In my own experience the political system is designed to exclude facts and arguments and our widespread disaffection is to do with this.

I have various remedies but none involve deceit or coercion : so I reacted very strongly to The Electoral Registration and Administration Act.

Not voting is a sin in my family : but I am purposefully sinning by refusing to sign the register - I believe that ER&A 2013 contradicts other laws.

Generally my political activism is learning a little and writing a lot : a couple of facts, an argument and joke to express my Republican ethos.

From the outset of " Y Repwblic " I opted to conduct it on the basis of " The Open Conspiracy " i.e. emphatically - there is no conspiracy.

Republicanism is about " The Public Thing " and therefore there can be no such thing as a " Republican conspiracy " - that is an oxymoron.

I have been astounded by the degree of hostility which I have been subjected to since I applied the label " Republican " to myself.

I advocated the same as The Law Society did in my " submission to the ( Silk ) commission " - academic refs etc - yet they suppressed it.

My limited political ambition is to maintain " Y Repwblic " so that " Civic Republicanism " is represented in Wales' Public Discourse.

" Y Repwblic " was intended to be a " Republic of Letters " but it has become something else : I no longer know what it is - it is what I do.

Both " Y Repwblic " and myself from time to time seems to attract surveillance - I suspect not from legitimate agencies - and my policy is this :

Anybody who wants to know anything about my public life should write me a letter - or ( much better ) - question me over a nice dinner.

I am entitled however to my private life - and to have opportunities to argue against these injustices which I have suffered.

I want everybody to have equal access to a legal remedy - free when needed, paid for by taxation - to stop these injustices.

" The Rule of Law " does not licence arbitrary legalisms : we make laws to create justice - unjust laws are not laws at all.

[ I suspect that is why The Silk Commission got upset : I was discussing the implications of The Welsh Assembly creating a new jurisdiction - my argument about Sovereignty, The Crown etc is that these do not exist in The Natural Law i.e. making laws which declare that certain persons are not accountable to them is perverse : all laws have to be universal. With law-making powers The Welsh Assembly is de facto creating a jurisdiction and - arguably - re-establishing the Sovereignty of The Principality of Wales ( which was finally conjoined with The Sovereignty in The Kingdom of England - but not ended ? - in The Happy Parliament of Easter 1624 by deducting thirty odd clauses from various laws previously enacted since 1283.)]

" Sovereignty " as a theological idea belongs in coronations but when it is used to place persons above " The Rule of Law " injustice results.

You now have a grasp of the ways that I think - not that I can think straight with all of this in my head and spewing out onto Y Repwblic.

I like my private life to be private : the law is there as a remedy for non-consenting relationships - I consent to a public life in Y Repwblic.

Therefore can you disclose this email to the relevant agencies and advise them to not waste public funds on surveillance : write to me !

Yours Sincerely,

David B. Lawrence,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not got time to watch let alone review these - I am just in the mood to bung them down -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGXl6pqsIA

Is Democracy Immoral ? - by - Rocking MrE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SfAbYlFqut4

Democricide : Why Democracy Always Fails

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSCyiVl7cA

The Case Against Democracy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HjGjosDvQ

Democracy Is a Suggestion Box for Slaves

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1oGMEEE11Lc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2YsJVF-920

The Truth About Voting

[ ETC : FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT REJECTING DEMOCRACY IS MAD, BAD OR SAD - THERE ARE SOUND REASONS TO VIEW DEMOCRATS AS ANTI-POLITICAL IF NOT ACTUALLY PARASITES ON THE BODY POLITIC : POLITICS IS CONDUCTED BY FACTS AND ARGUMENTS ONLY - VOTING IS NOT POLITICAL, ELECTIONS ARE A THREAT TO THE STABILITY OF SOCIETY & DEMOCRACY IS NOT ONLY CORRUPT AND CORRUPTING BUT DESTROYS ALL CONSTITUTIONS.]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy

I like this guy - I like his delivery - nicely clear cut & set out well : easy to disagree with ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSivMql-y8
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just catching a turn of this twist on Democracy V Nomocracy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XzbtSZUnJLw

I do not like it : this guy argues that people are unreasonable and so he reasons that Democracy is better than Nomocracy - ? - ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism

The Trouble in The UK is much like The Trouble in The UK : manufactured ... basically a man ( rarely a woman ) pronounces that his own limited experience to be " The World " and his even more limited understanding to be " The Truth " and everybody like himself to be abnormal and deviant ... But the added paranoid twist to this turn of thought is that " most " are like himself and that all who " differ " are alike : that there is a schism running through society defineable by.cryptic signs and symbols ... The People in Democratic Parties think in this paranoid way - or rather conspire in them to divide our societies ... Searching to label others as deviants e g. as " Cultural Marxists."

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

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POST SCRIPT : Later in the day ( evening ) I am listening to this -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gPx7I4ALeWk

The Revolt Against the Masses: How Liberalism Has Undermined the Middle Class - The Heritage Foundation

- and I think that I ought to point out that these kinds of pseudo-academic diatribes about " Cultural Marxism " or " European Liberalism " are just prejudices given the appearance of academic argument : not quite down at the level of " Mein Kampf " but headed there ... At least when I am taking the piss I do so by obviously sending up those ideas I dislike with equally dodgy arguments for entertainment's sake - I do not seek to establish my view point as authoritative : only the facts of individual lives bestow personal authority upon our arguments - only the collective consideration of facts and arguments about them creates political authority and that is vested in The Rule of Law which governs The State - not vice versa !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might as well stick these texts in here - sort of relevant ... sort of ...

I have come to find this very niggling :_In a text just now - whilst I was jiggling -_I wrote down a perfectly useful word - but_It lacks any meaning ... and so I put_This question to you : what is " striggling " - ? = dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : author asserts his moral right - not to sue

I have come to find this very niggling :_
In a text just now - whilst I was jiggling -_
I wrote down a perfectly useful word - but_
It lacks any meaning ... and so I put_
This question to you : what is " striggling " - ?

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

[ SO : ARE YOU NOW READY TO JOIN US IN THE REPWBLICAN STRIGGLE ? ]

[ I JUST RECITED THAT TO A FRIEND IN IRELAND WHO LAUGHED AND GAVE ME A LECTURE ON THEIR WORD " NAGGLING " = " NIGGLING + NAGGING." ]
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http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4868#4868

I think that the main problem arising from Y Repwblic being plastered with such notices is that it they are in essence libelous : those reading them have their imaginations let loose - what did we say ? - and the appearance of this condemnation being pronounced by an " authority " ( instead of a machine ) leads to the assumption that it must be true - that The Cardiff Illuminati etc are inherently intolerant whereas of course anybody who knows us would be of the opposite opinion : we are inherently tolerant to the point that we are willing to hear the opinions of some of the most intolerant people - and argue with them e.g. you publicly calling out Balchder Cymru for having their Neo-Nazi fellow travellers ... The whole point of the Republican way of doing things is that people can express themselves and disclose their opinions without fear of being discriminated against - except that they will be argued against : it is the opposite way of doing things to Democracy in which people keep their unpopular opinions secret and retreat into sectarian groups which share those opinions in private but publicly assert popular opinions in order to get themselves elected i.e. so that having obtained power they do not have to listen to anybody else's opinions ... in other words Democrats are not willing to consider whether they are wrong and therefore will never admit a mistake still less listen to criticism and correct their behaviour - and they never apologise other than " officially " for something which happened a hundred years ago from which they can dissociate themselves : The Democrats not only seek absolute power but exercise it with absolute incompetence whilst demanding absolute irresponsibility ... now argue against that Marianne !!!
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PETER K MAY BE THE AUTHOR OF THIS = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ffr620bc4Y = I HOPE THE BRP/DRP DO NOT SING THIS = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbq2bgRZM4 = Few people understand why I am ardent about re-establishing Republicanism in Wales : The Labour Party - including friends of mine - argued that in being elected everything in Wales had become their property - including people - to dispose of with their legal impunity being guaranteed by The UK.

[ SEE - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impunity. ]
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LOOK AT THIS SHIT : FIRST OFF THE ECONOMIST DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REPUBLICANISM - IT IS EITHER ABOUT GETTING RID OF SOVEREIGNTY AS A SUPERFLUOUS IDEA BECAUSE THE LAW ITSELF IS SUFFICIENT - OR ( DIFFERENTLY EXPRESSED ) ABOUT " THE SOVEREIGNTY IS IN THE LAW " I.E. NOT " THE SOVEREIGNTY IS IN THE PEOPLE " WHICH IS DEMOCRACY - NOR " THE SOVEREIGNTY IS IN THE MONEY " WHICH IS ARISTOCRACY - NOR " THE SOVEREIGNTY IS IN MY GOD " WHICH IS HIEROCRACY - NOR " THE SOVEREIGNTY IS IN MY WEAPONS SYSTEM " WHICH IS MONOCRACY. NOTE THAT " MONOCRACY " IMPLIES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY OF PRIVATE INTEREST WHICH DEPENDS UPON THE " MONARCHY " FOR ITS BENEFITS E.G. THE PEERAGES, PAPERS, PUNDITS, PAPARATZIS, PRIME MINISTERS ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKH8CeXSwlw

THE GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER DO NOT KNOW WHAT REPUBLICANISM IS EITHER - OR AT LEAST DO NOT QUESTION WHY THESE PROTESTORS FOR " REPUBLIC " ARE EQUATING DEMOCRACY WITH REPUBLICANISM WHEN REAL REPUBLICANS THINK THAT DEMOCRACY IS EVERY BIT AS DANGEROUS AS MONOCRACY IS ( WHEN I WROTE THE ORIGINAL " REPWBLIC ? " LEAFLET I WAS TAKING THE PISS - IN PART - OUT OF " REPUBLIC " AND I HAVE ARGUED BITTERLY WITH THESE POLITICALLY ILLITERATE ANTI-MONARCHISTS FOR CLAIMING TO BE " REPUBLICANS " - THEIR IDEA OF WHAT REPUBLICANISM IS BELONGS TO 19C ANTI-REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA IN WHICH THREATS TO QUEEN VICTORIA BY DEMOCRATS WERE ATTIRIBUTED TO REPUBLICANS : HENCE THE IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS ARE DEMOCRATS AND VIOLENT - THE AIM OF THIS PROPAGANDA WAS TO OPPOSE ANY PROGRESS TOWARDS QUALIFYING TO VOTE ON THE BASIS OF BEING AN ADULT INSTEAD OF ON THE BASIS OF BEING IN POSSESSION OF PROPERTY - WHICH ENDED IN 1947.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NPTuPwm0eE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0Ert4b5zs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M0RbdTqKurA

GRAHAM ASSERTS THERE WHAT I ASSERT - THAT IF WE HAD A REPUBLICAN PARTY IT WOULD BE THE THIRD LARGEST PARTY IN ENGLAND ( PROBABLY THE FOURTH LARGEST PARTY IN WALES ) YET ALL HE HAS AS A PROPOSED POLITICAL PROGRAMME IS GETTING RID OF THE QUEEN WHICH IS IRRELEVANT TO REPUBLICANS : WHAT WE WANT IS OUR POLITICIANS HELD TO ACCOUNT BEFORE THE LAW I.E. THE PROPER RULE OF LAW - NOT WHAT IS PRETENDED TO BE " THE RULE OF LAW " BY THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER. REPUBLICANISMS SINCE THE 18C HAVE FEATURED THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS KNOWN AS " HUMAN RIGHTS " WHICH PREVENT GOVERNMENTS FROM VIOLATING " THE RULE OF LAW " BY INSISTING THAT NOBODY IS BEYOND EITHER THE PROTECTION OR INDEED THE PUNISHMENT OF THE LAW UNIVERSALLY ENFORCED : REPUBLICANISMS DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MINORITY ETHNIC GROUPS SUCH AS " THE ROYAL FAMILY " BUT INSTEAD DECLARE THEM TO BE SUBJECT TO " THE RULE OF LAW " -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3_3Tbjzbk

- E.G. SUBJECT TO JAIL FOR NOT PAYING THEIR PARKING TICKETS ( IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE 18C FRENCH REVOLUTION THE LEGAL PENALTIES IMPOSED WERE VERY SEVERE : THE TUMBREL DRIVER WHO BROUGHT THE KING OF FRANCE TO THE GUILLOTINE WAS NOT ONLY ISSUED WITH A TICKET ON THE SPOT BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY EXECUTED - ALTHOUGH HIS DONKEY DID MANAGE TO GET OFF HER PUNISHMENT BY FLICKING HER LONG EYELASHES AND WIGGLING HER BEHIND AT THE PARKING OFFICERS ... THIS OF COURSE IS STILL THE SECOND MOST CERTAIN WAY TO AVOID A TICKET, THE MOST CERTAIN WAY TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC WARDENS AND OFFENCES OF ALL SORTS IS TO INSTITUTE A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM WILL EDUCATE THE PEOPLE TO BEHAVE PROPERLY.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJMcmP7NcM

( THE ABSOLUTELY MOST CERTAIN WAY TO AVOID TRAFFIC PENALTIES IN CARDIFF IS TO BE A CYCLIST - HONESTLY : THEY ARE WORSE THAN ANARCHISTS, WHO AT LEAST LEARN THE HIGHWAY CODE FIRST.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCojS4EPZ0

THAT WAS PETER TATCHELL IMMEDIATELY EQUATING REPUBLICANISM WITH DEMOCRACY AND STRIKING POSES FOR OTHERS TO ADMIRE : IN 2010 HE PROMISED TO COME TO CBRD#1 BUT HAVING HEARD THAT NO LONDON NEWSPAPERS WOULD BE ADMIRING HIM NOR TAKING HIS PHOTOGRAPH TO PUBLISH HE SUBMITTED HIS APOLOGIES AT THE LAST MINUTE LEAVING LEON IN THE LURCH WHICH WAS HOW I CAME TO BE THE FIRST SPEAKER - PETER TATCHEL IS NOT A REPUBLICAN OF ANY SORT : HE HAS NO GRASP OF REPUBLICANISM OTHER THAN THAT HE CHERRY-PICKS THE BITS WHICH HE THINKS USEFUL FOR HIS PUBLIC APPEARANCES. I REPEAT THEREFORE FOR EMPHASIS TO IGNORE PETER TATCHEL'S POLITICAL PRONOUNCEMENTS : READ SOME PROPER REPUBLICAN MATERIAL - AND IF YOU MUST INSIST UPON DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICANISM LISTEN TO PHILIP PETTIT OR QUENTIN SKINNER OR - ANYBODY BUT PETER TATCHEL ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwahWnv13Vs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rTEOU67zCo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YX47aTObiw0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECiVz_zRj7A
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3aA1PlPV0 = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cyTnchkZWIE = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v7z-4NJCZZI = GOOD FOR YOUR FRENCH

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSq97ouEpM
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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" Repwblic " began as a one-off paper essay in ( 2002 ? ) & then Penddu used the word & challenged me ( as "dai" ) to create a bulletin board to replace Balchder Cymru's troubled ctd.6.forumer.com = I conceived of repwblic.informe.com as a " republic of letters " to create a meeting place for multiple views = but Balchder was/is a front for " The Black Faction " trying to propogate the legacy of FWA & MAC and is/was not interested in political writing but wanted to control Repwblic.org - they abandoned it expecting it to die but I rolled up my sleeves & set about writing " The White Faction " back into existence = I have over ten years deliberately given " Y Repwblic " ( Penddu's title for this board ) a hard line Internationalist-Pacifist stance & in 2013 I was even shocked myself when I accepted the old Renaissance Republican argument against Democracy = the Republican V Democratic argument in The USA is a Right Wing one against Socialism but I have inverted it into a Left Wing argument to argue for a Constitution with laws draughted & sealed by a Court
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