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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... there are of course other sources of entertainment - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07f4k1x/the-royal-opening-of-the-assembly

... It depends how you feel about The Royal Family of course : most of The People in Wales insist that Republicanism is " being against The Queen " and " something to do with Democracy " and a fair number of them think that it is " a criminal conspiracy " ...which is all bollocks of course - there have been plenty of " Crowned Republics " and plenty of them have not involved " Democracy " and the idea that Republicans in Wales are involved in criminality is simply the result of centuries of struggle by the supporters of The United Kingdom against those who would put them in jail ... Oh - here they come ... the old age pensioners are all out because there is nothing else that they can afford to do in Cardiff ... small children have been bussed in and little Butcher's Aprons and been glued to the backs of their Bloody Dragons and then both of them Sello-taped into their hands which their teachers are moving by hauling on the strings attached to their immananentally academy status ... I would swear that Leanne Wood is being worked the same way, but at least she is beginning to get the point that if she wants Real Republicans to think of her claim to be one also, then she should treat all minority ethnic groups with equal regard ... I notice that MI5 have confiscated Leanne's handbag for the duration of the day ... I like this introduction of professional musical performances into The Welsh Assembly - I do not like sitting in The Bunker watching their amateur song and dance routines ... The Queen looks pretty pissed off that others have downstaged her costume ... Prince Phillip seems to be just sitting there day-dreaming about shooting some ... thing or other ... and Lizzy then spoke with her usual - hey ... what ??? ... " ... I have continued to follow the Assembly's progress with close interest and to note the remarkable record of achievement over the first four terms ... " ... OK ... there is the clear evidence of it : she is well gone ga-ga - nobody sane could say such a thing ... oh ! - That is diplomacy is it ... international relations ? ... I do not think that Carwyn has got the hang of this though : look at this around 30.00+ and see if you agree with me - that he is playing the tough, the bully in the classroom ? ... No wonder Elizabeth is looking a little lost and unhappy - bloody hell, what an image for The Labour & Cooperative Party to broadcast to The People in Wales and The World ... that we are a nation led by a middle-aged adolescent who bullies little old ladies ! ... I think that Charles should write to him about The Public Interest ... Anyway - this was really not too bad for a school assembly ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Republicans ARE criminals.

You keep whingeing that Anti monarchist Propaganda (AmP) is still verboten by the obsolete - ish Treason felony Act (TfA) as if it matters. But it DOES mean we are criminals.

Not only are we criminals, but according to PC, we are racists. Republic = Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Republic rejects the Economic dogma that Capitalism is inevitable, therefore End of History (EoH). Republic asserts that there IS an alternative.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:21 am    Post subject: cwsg yn dawel Reply with quote

As soon as Lord Snowdon heard about the Aberfan disaster,he thought, 'I should be there. I am Welsh.' He didn't consult the Palace but just went, travelling second class.

He said later he wasn't representing royalty. 'We Welsh stick together.' George Thomas looked for him in the first class carriage, and couldn't think what had happened to him.

He said he didn't feel angry but 'very, very sad.' Life seemed so unfair. He somehow persuaded Princess Margaret to launch an appeal for toys for the remaining children of Aberfan.

You can't always tell if it'll be taken the right way if you invade the personal space of disaster victims, even with the best of intentions. But people who remembered Lord Snowdon putting an arm round the shoulders of a bereaved parent, thought he had hit the right note. He just seemed very natural.

Gaynor Madgwick of Aberfan met him again in the House of Commons years later. She impulsively went up and embraced him. She said it could have ended the meeting before it began. But he didn't take offence.

They had a good talk though he did joshingly tell her off for not speaking Welsh. He was right after all. Her old schoolmate Bernard Thomas can do it.

Snowdon's was one of the few voices raised in support of disability rights for many decades. The queen didn't get the point.

She thought it was wrong that Princess Margaret appeared on public display in a wheelchair after scalding her feet and having a stroke. She thought that the wheelchair bound
should be kept out of sight.

But don't waste any sympathy on Margaret. When introduced to an architect at a party, she scarified him for ruining her mother's castle in Scotland. She then asked the poor man, who had been disabled from birth, ''Have you ever looked in the mirror in the morning and noticed how you walk?''

This was a fair example of Margaret's conversational skills. She was notorious. People dreaded meeting her.

According to Craig Brown, it was as if she had a particular royal version of Tourette's Syndrome. She had a compulsion to say the first thing that came into her head, as long as it was offensive.

Introduced to Twiggy, she asked her her name. ''My name's Lesley, but my friends call me Twiggy'', said Twiggy.

''How unfortunate!'' was Margaret's rejoinder as she turned her back on her. Snowdon apologetically remarked to Twiggy's manager Justin de Villenueve that you often encounter this sort of thing with royalty.

It's true. On a tour of American govenement buildings, Princess Anne commented that the bald eagle was an 'unfortunate choice' as a symbol of the USA. When introduced to a roomful of severely disabled children, Anne looked at them as if they were a row of pies on a shelf.

An old woman gave Anne a basket of artificial flowers to pass on to the queen mother. She asked her to be sure to do it, as she had spent days constructing the humble offering.

''What a ridiculous thing to do!'', snapped Anne as she snatched it from her. She was right. It was a ridiculous thing to do. But it was not the right thing to say.

The younger generation of royalty are more with it. Prince Harry supports the Invictus Games.

Lord Snowdon was ahead of his time. He had had polio as a schoolboy while staying at the family home in Wales.

He identified with disabled people, but was not usually perceived as one of them. It looked as if polio had left him with a barely noticeable limp and no more. But as often happens, it caught up with him in later life.

Latterly, he has had to use a wheelchair. He finally died today. I was sorry to hear it.

When you think of the foul remarks made about disabled people by Princess Alexandra's husband, Anus Ogilvy, you have to feel for Snowdon.

How out of place he must have felt in the royal pack, shackled in marriage to the monster Margaret! Thank goodness, he had the courage to defy the royal taboo surrounding divorce.

This news is sad but not unexpected. May he have eternal life in the memories of others.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: lobby Reply with quote

I've recently seen an online documentary on what a pestilence the Windsors are. For instance the Duchy of Cornwall has a semi-feudal status. If anyone dies intestate there, Prince Charles gets to pocket the lot. Planning permission in the duchy does not apply to him.

This sparked off memories from childhood. We couldn't get the local TV channel in our bungalow when I was a child because there was a mountain in the way of the airwaves, and it was long before boosters became standard.

Instead we received the local news from Devon and Cornwall, straight across the waters of the Bristol channel. Apart from the Cornish language programme, I especially remember the constant stories about some poor peasant in Cornwall who had to pay through the nose to live in a disgusting hovel, a foul sty that was falling to bits.

The newsreader invariably ended by calling it 'a house owned by the Prince of Wales.' You'd think he could afford to keep it in better repair.

The video also showed us Charles dressed up like Lawrence of Arabia with a ceremonial scitimar - or is it a scimitar? - as he partied with his good friends, the Al Saud dynasty of Saudi Arabia.

It wasn't just a social call. The Windsors are no good for negotiating with democracies. They would be considered irrelevant.

But for developing countries and absolute monarchies, they have the magic touch. Disturbingly, Charles was used to sell arms to the Saudis, which they later used in their war agaisnt Yemen.

Even his pig headed brother Andrew, who is thought to have little intellect but great vanity, has been used for negotiations with assorted emirs. But his defects of mind and personality have made him a liability rather than an asset.

Only a fraction of Charles' black spider letters have been made available to the public, but they are enough to show that he lobbies politicians on every subject under the sun, and has an influence he has done nothing to earn.

So, is there anything positive to be said for the Windsors?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: stiff Reply with quote

In recent days, I think there is. George Lascelles, Lord Harewood, the elder son of Mary, the former Princess Royal, the only sister of Edward viii and George vi, was critical of the emotional temperature in the Windsor family.

In his autobiography, 'The Tongs and the Bones', he said the Windsors did not talk of how much they meant to each other or of their emotions, but of duty and of what they ought to do. As a small boy George Lascelles graphically expressed his love for his mother. She made it plain that she found this unwelcome, so he repressed his emotions, and to a degree, stopped feeling them.

During the abdication crisis, Lascelles and his cousin Irene Mountbatten were dismayed by the lack of compassion the rest of the family had for Edward viii, and how they mistook their own coldness for morality.

Other sources tell us that when the Windsor brothers met to counter sign the instrument of abdication, they all talked busily of trivialities, of everything except what they were thinking and feeling.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: phil the greek Reply with quote

It is a debatable point whether George v really said,''My father was frightened of his mother; I was frightened of my father and I'm damn well going to see that my children are frightened of me!'' Whether he said it or not, it sums up his philosophy.

Two generations later, Philip of Greece joined the family and kept up the tradition of bullying his children. Philip had never had much chance to be other than an abrasive individual.

He was born on a table and smuggled out of Greece as a baby in a cot made out of an orange box. His father Prince Andrea had been sentenced to death by a military court although he escaped execution.

Philip learnt to crawl stoically over sharp stones in his Parisian exile. His mother became convinced she was receiving messages from Jesus and Buddha, and was taken to a mental hospital where her ovaries were irradiated.

Philip was then sent to stay with one grown up Nazi sister and brother-in-law after another, and for a time went to school in Nazi Germany. He transferred to Gordonstoun in Scotland. His headmaster later fondly remembered in verse how often he had 'laid his cane athwart/The bottom of a Prince Consort.'

While spending the holidays with his uncle George Mountbatten, Philip may or may not have come across his collection of extreme sado-masochistic pornography. Just before he was due to attend a family wedding, he was given tragic news.

On the way to the same event by plane, his sister had gone into premature labour. The pilot had tried to make an emergency landing and hit a factory chimney. The plane had crashed in flames. Philip's sister, her husband, the children and the pilot had all burnt to death. The charred remains of an infant were found in the wreckage.

At the wedding everyone was in tears even as they gave the 'Heil Hitler' salute. Philip kept part of one of the plane's wings in his pocket thereafter.

At the urging of his uncle Dickie Mountbatten, Philip met 13 year old Princess Elizabeth and joined the British navy. He fought with distinction during the Second World War, and had only his navy pay. When he married into the Windsor family 'his arse was falling out of his trousers.'

Philip is addicted to making offensive and insulting remarks on royal visits. Nothing can deter him. Perhaps he is very angry deep down.

If so, he is not interested in finding out. He is scornful of therapy culture. He mocks the idea that a soldier who has been in combat should be asked if he has some terrible emotional problem. Philip himself has a stiff upper lip.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: a cuckoo in the nest Reply with quote

The queen's first cousin Prince Edward Duke of Kent married a kitten faced beauty Katherine Worsley. Even before the wedding, she was wondering if the marriage was a mistake. It was.

Katherine had two unsuccessful pregnancies, one natural, the other a medical abortion. She was advised to have a therapeutic abortion as she had had rubella while pregnant which would adversely affect the embryo.

She was too mentally fragile to make such a difficult decision. Although she had three living children, she was thrown into a hormonal maelstrom followed by clinical depression.

The Windsors laughed at 'Cuckoo Kent', and joked that she assuaged her frustrated broodiness by collecting birds' nests or building them. Whenever Princess Anne saw her, she spoke to her in a condescending jollying along way. Nothing short of a personality transplant would have made the Duke of Kent a supportive spouse.

Katherine was upset when Dickie Mountbatten, his fourteen year old grandson and an Irish boy of the same age were blown up by an IRA bomb while on a fishing trip.

At the funeral she met Mountbatten's private secretary John Barrett. He later wrote sarcastically, 'I was buttonholed by the Duchess of Kent who is a very kind, sweet lady. She gave me an interminable lecture on how I should not feel sad because Lord Mountbatten's spirit was still alive and watching over me.

'I am afraid I was not in the right mood to appreciate it: I was more worried about if there was enough tea in the teapot.'

Thus he showed the 'incomprehension bordering on contempt', even those on the outer fringes of royalty' felt for those who 'failed to conform to the accepted standard of chilly stoicism.'

The shock of Mountbatten's death was part of what propelled Charles into an ill advsied marraige to Diana. He did not realise that she was mentally ill. No one in the family was prepared to accept that mental illness existed.

Diana was a pain and a self obsessed trouble maker, but it's true the Windsors were not supportive. They scolded her for wasting food when she exhibited bulimia. Charles told her off for fainting in public.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:06 pm    Post subject: fergie Reply with quote

Charles' polo manager Ronald Ferguson was one of those people on the fringes of royalty who conformed to the standards of chilly stoicism. He enjoyed casual affairs and what was on offer at massage parlours, thinking it a 'very healthy' life style for some men.

His wife Susie finally 'bolted' with Hector Barrantes, a polo player from Argentina, leaving the kids in England with their gruff and shouty father. He thought it would be a 'ghastly mistake' to try to make up for their mother's absence with kindness or anything like that.

Susie's mother Doreen agreed. She thought it best not to talk to the kids about what had happened. When her husband had abandoned her when Susie was a child, she refused to admit that it had even happened. She would not give him a divorce.

Before Susie bolted to Argentina, her children's friends had thought she was 'super cool', but she was quite unenlightened about child rearing. When her daughter Sarah became engaged to Prince Andrew, a TV interviewer asked her if she had a temper. She said she hadn't 'because Mum beat that out of me when I was four'. This was said with a merry laugh.

Sarah Ferguson was seem as a jolly hockeysticks type, someone who would bring fresh air to the Windsor family. She pulled faces and gave thumbs up signs all the way up the aisle.

Fergie had always been accident prone. The breath of fresh air soon turned stale. She didn't bother to hide her greed, showing off gaudy jewellery, while gloating ''clock the rocks!'' When advised that this 'loadsamoney' flamboyance would not make her popular during a recession, she replied, ''Don't the people want Andrew and me to be happy?''

It's been suggested that Fergie has histrionic personality disorder. After symbolically abasing herself before the Windsor dynasty by choosing the most obsequious wedding vows known to man, she proceeded to try to break the system from within, becoming paranoid about the palace staff.

She showed the Windsors up with a series of affairs which could not be denied after the zoom lenses of the paparazzi caught her topless and having her toes sucked by her financial adviser in the South of France. Newspapers reported that 'the knives are out for Fergie in the palace.'

She had been under pressure even before her infidelity became apparent. The tabloids had called her the Duchess of Pork, said she should have her face stapled to cure her annoying grimaces, and that ninety per cent of men would rather have sex with a goat than with Fergie. She had such low self esteem that she wondered what was wrong with the other ten per cent.

Fergie had a reputation for gullibilty. Diana told her that they should both seek divorces, then pulled out, letting Fergie take the flak. Post divorce, Fergie managed to bankrupt herself.

The recklessness may have been hereditary. Her mother was decapitated in a car crash in Argentina while drving without a seat belt in the middle of the road.

Observers said that although bright and breezy, Fergie was emotionally illiterate, as was Andrew. Fergie used to loathe psychology.

But latterly she began to appear on shows with Oprah and Pamela Stephenson to talk pop psycholgy. She produced a book called 'What I Know Now.'

The idea was that psycho-babble had exorcised her demons. It sounded very shallow.

Turkey issued a warrant for her arrest after she showed up their orphanages. Her lady in waiting was convicted of murder. Fergie was secrelty filmed by the 'fake Sheikh', saying ''gimme, gimme, gimme'', while making grasping motions as she offered to sell him access to Prince Andrew.

She did a series with Oprah called 'Finding Sarah', about her quest for self discovery. In it she claimed that her mother had been abusive, telling her that she had the Devil inside her, and that she had been given to her by the postman. Her sister has denied this.

This is someone who talks in therapy speak, but hasn't actually learnt anything. After all, this is someone who threw money at a charlatan mystic healer from Greece, and sat under a blue pyramid, chanting. Would it be different for the next generation?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:52 pm    Post subject: not so stiff Reply with quote

Diana deliberately showed up the adult Windsors, for instance, referring to them as 'the leper colony.' It didn't occur to her that she was also embarrassing her schoolboy sons, William and Harry, and leaving them easy targets for bullying in school.

In the leaked phone conversation known as Squidgeygate, Diana told James Gilbey that the queen mother had 'very few feelings.' This was confirmed after Diana's sudden death in a car crash.

One of the queen mother's police bodygaurds said it mght be just as well that Diana was dead. She had been divisive.

William and Harry had had confliciting loyalties. Now the domestic turmoil was over. The queen mother agreed, thinking him 'very wise.'

It was true that Diana was an embarrassment who often behaved like a deranged fruit bat. But she was also her sons' mother. In many ways, she had been a good mother.

Philip was surprisingly supportive in the days after her death. William and Harry who were aged 15 and 12, did not know if they would feel up to walking behind her coffin. Philip said, ''Can you do it if I come with you?''

It shows what kind of demeanour was expected of royalty, that the Mail journalist, Lynda Lee Potter confidently predicted that neither boy would commit the solecism of crying at his mother's funeral.

When it was revealed that they had both sobbed on that occasion, Potter praised them for that.

Harry has now revealed that for twenty years he tried to expunge Diana from his mind. He told himself, ''Don't think about your mum. It'll make you sad. Think about something else. Think about having fun.''

This kind of suppression is considered extremely unhealthy. He had a stiff upper lip, but was latterly in inward choas.

Finally, William bawled him out, urging him to seek help. Harry has now been in counselling.

William has told other bereaved people that although it is nearly twenty years since it happened, he still lives with the shock of his mother's death. A stiff upper lip may have its place, but not at the expense of your health.

William and his wife Kate Middleton have now appeared on radio to talk about mental health issues, and the importance of eradicating the stigma around mental illness.

It is quite remarkable to hear a Windsor talk like this, and it may be genuinely helpful to the public at large.

The Daily Mail is still in the Dark Ages. It had a headline asking if the public would be able to respect a king who let it all hang out.

This paper is written for those who can neither think nor feel. I've seen enough of the stiff upper lip in my family. It's generally accompanied by a stiff rigid mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject: head to head Reply with quote

William, Harry and Kate Middleton have spearheaded the 'Heads Together' charity. William says it is quite wrong to say that a strong person would not have emotional or mental health issues.

It is just that it has been difficult to talk about them. But if you bottle up these issues, they will reassert themselves later as illness.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject: bizarre and cruel Reply with quote

I recounted trustingly above that Philip sensitively persuaded William and Harry to walk behind the gun carriage that bore their mother's body through hysterical crowds. I recorded that he did this by asking the schoolboys aged 15 and 12, ''Can you do it if I come with you?''

Charles, Earl Spencer, Diana's younger brother, has now revealed that it was an ordeal even for him. It was a 'bizarre and cruel' ritual which gives him nightmares even today, and he was 33.It must have been a million times worse for William and Harry.

He was told that the boys wanted to do it, which was a lie. Harry has confirmed how much they didn't want to go through with this barbarous public exposure. He said, ''I don't think it would happen today.''

This was before the conspiracy theory that the Windsors were directly responsible for Diana's death had really got off the ground. But public feeling had turned against the queen and Prince Charles for their inability to share the national wallowing in luxuriant grief.

It is unlikely that the crowd would literally have torn Prince Charles to pieces, if he had followed the gun carriage alone, but he might well have been attacked. So Diana's young sons were added as an emollient sop to the crowd. They were effectively human shields.

Earl Spencer's eloquent but edgy eulogy was seen as a lightly veiled attack on the Windsors. But apparently, the queen was not bothered, saying he had a right to say whatever he liked at his sister's funeral.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:24 am    Post subject: cross purposes Reply with quote

Twenty years ago today I woke up on a Sunday morning and went down to the kitchen to make some coffee. My Croatian husband was pottering around; the radio was on, and Dr David Starkey was on the radio going on and on and on about Diana.

This didn't strike me as in any way unusual. Although unimpressed by her, David Starkey was always droning on about Diana. I didn't think anything untoward had happened, and I wasn't really listening.

Then I heard him say, ''Earl Spencer has accused the press of killing his sister.'' I had been accused of killing another student by a rabid warden of a hall of residence although the student in question was still alive. I imagined that Earl Spencer had fallen prey to this kind of idiotic lunacy.

I said sarcastically to my husband, ''But she's not actually dead though, is she?'' ''She is dead, Valerie!'', he replied with some acerbity.

I thought, ''Oh, Andrej! Typical Slavic exaggeration!'', and went back to bed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

False memory syndrome, he actually said

She is dead, Valerieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ....

and he is still saying it.

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It shows what kind of demeanour was expected of royalty, that the Mail journalist, Lynda Lee Potter confidently predicted that neither boy would commit the solecism of crying at his mother's funeral.

When it was revealed that they had both sobbed on that occasion, Potter praised them for that.


WTF Lynda lee Potter, make up your mind. Royals are great because they don't cry at funerals AND Royals are great because they do cry at funerals.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: barbarous practice Reply with quote

According to William and Harry's latest interview, she had it wrong. Diana had tried to bring the boys up to be normal people, even to be spontaneous and touchy feely.

At the same time, royal protocol had been drummed into them, article one: Do not cry in public even if you are a child and have just lost your mother. This didn't just mean that they shouldn't forget themselves sufficiently to roll round on the tarmac, howling, with snot and snivel running down their faces. Even at 15 and 12, they were too well trained to let out a single decorous tear, such as Obama would have allowed himself on the anniversary of 9/11.

Harry says he couldn't cry in public even if he wanted to. He just can't.

William has a receding hairline now, but he fondly remembers having a useful fringe as a schoolboy. When he was forced to go on walkabout and inspect the cards, flowers and hysterical plebs, he tried to hide behind his fringe.

12 year old Harry was just as self controlled in his black suit and black tie. A few days later they had to go through the ritual again but it was even more harrowing as they were walking behind their mother's body.

Even at the time, the strangeness of it struck them. They were the only ones who had to abide by the taboo against public tears.

Behind the crash barriers, total strangers were howling and sobbing, throwing themselves on the ground, enjoying the drama of theatrical grief without suffering any of the concommitant pain. It was grief lite for the lucky crowd.

William thought, ''She was my mum, and I'm not crying. Why are you crying? You didn't even know her!'' He and Harry recognise now that it was a barbarous ritual. In the future, historical anthropologists and psycho-historians will speculate about our motives in subjecting two young boys to these prolonged public ordeals.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:01 pm    Post subject: sf Reply with quote

The Sinn Fein Mayor of Derry has refused to meet Prince Charles when he comes to offer stereotyped words of comfort to victims of flooding in Northern Ireland. It is not because he can't stand listening to banal royal 'slipslop.' Nor is it that he objects to royal visits as such.

But Charles is Colonel-in-Chief of the Parachute Regiment who fired on demonstrators on Bloody Sunday. Let us remember they shot an unarmed teenager in the back as he was running away through a car park. They kept on 'firing evil lead' even after Father Daly 'raised his hanky' like a white flag, as a group of three people took the dead body of 17 year old Jacky Duddy to a place where it could be checked for signs of life.

Paras were gathered outside the hospital where people were brought with gunshot wounds, and they laughed at them as they were taken into the foyer. The queen honoured and decorated the murderers. That was the UK in 1972.


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You know that I have joked about what we might do if we were confronted with a Royal Visit - I declined to be present thirty years ago - what would you do if Charles and Camillaknocked on your door ?
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You know that I have joked about what we might do if we were confronted with a Royal Visit - I declined to be present thirty years ago - what would you do if Charles and Camillaknocked on your door ? - What if they offered you a peerage ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:27 pm    Post subject: c&c Reply with quote

If they knocked on the door, I'd pretend I wasn't in, so I don't suppose they'd get round to offering me a peerage. But if the latter happened, I hope I wouldn't accept in a moment of weakness.

Incidentally, if I did and it was not a life peerage, it would probably descend to Byron, my youngest son. You can imagine why. To spare the blushes of all concerned, I won't spell it out.
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The Russian Orthodox priest Georgi Gapon attended a loyal and peaceful demonstration outside the Winter Palace in 1905. The workers and their families hoped that the czar would listen to them, and even give them refreshments.

''Little Father! Little Father! Give us bread!'', they pleaded. But the czar's soldiers gave them lead.

They were so loyal that the people at the back could not believe the bullets were real. They were just like Jac John at the Llanelli democide six years later. He called out, ''Popeth yn iawn! Blanc yw hi! Saethwn nhw ddim!'', just before he was felled in a hail of bullets. The strikers at the Winter Palace said the same thing in Russian.

As the massacre in Russia left about a thousand casualties, no-one could continue to believe that Nicholas ii was a good man after that, although he was certainly a banal one. His diary is concerned with games of dominoes and conkers. He was oblivious to politics.

Father Gapon laid a curse on the Romanovs. Let's remember that Nicholas was a first cousin of George v. They looked almost like identical twins, and were often mistaken for each other when the czar was in the UK. They were the sons of two sisters, Danish princesses. One had married the Prince of Wales, and one the Czarevitch.

Nicholas' wife Czarina Alexandra was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. Prince Philip was a first cousin once removed of the fated last Czarevitch and his sisters. In the 90s, he provided a mitachondrial DNA sample which proved that the bodies at Ekaterinburg were who they were supposed to be.

We might as well say they were honorary Windsors, and have done with it. I have less than zero sympathy with the last czar and czarina. They were responsible for working class parents seeing their kids mown down by bullets on Bloody Sunday.

When their own kids were shot and bayoneted by the Bolsheviks in front of them, they had it coming. So what of the Czarevitch Alexei and the four Czarevnas? Did they personally deserve to be massacred, on the grounds that nits make lice?

Of course not. Even in the Old Testament, people began to move away from the barbarism of the stance that 'the parents have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead, only the 'soul that sinneth, it shall die.'

Alexei was a bratty little monster, but he was fundamentally an innocent kid, and so were his sisters. But I am sorry that the Russian Orthodox Church has swung to the opposite extreme, and canonised the entire nuclear family that was massacred in the basement.

They are literally icons, not in the Eurotrash way that Princess Diana was. You can kiss their icons and pray to them in Moscow Cathedral or any other Russian Orthodox Church.

In a muted way Russia is remembering the storming of the Winter Palace in 1917. In fact, the reveloutionaries could just walk in. It was not locked, and was guarded by a few bored 15 year old boys.

Now is a good time for Russia to examine its soul. Why don't people have more self respect than to worship that man of blood, Nicholas ii, and his ludicrous wife who counselled him that 'Russia likes to feel the whip'?

I can't condone what happened to the children, but they were as much victims of their parents' bad judgement and bad characters as they were of the ruthlessness of the Bolsheviks. Why not find and collate information about the workers' children who died on Bloody Sunday, and canonise them?

Are they not worthier martyrs? As for the adult Romanovs, let them stay cursed!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: the red hair Reply with quote

Monarchy is indefensible on principle, but what makes it worse is that the Windsors up to and including Charles' generation have been personally fairly objectionable. I do think we have seen a change in William and Harry's generation.

Before people say that Harry is not royal, perhaps I should say that there are snub nosed redheads in the Spencer family who resemble James Hewitt. Diana may have been attracted to Hewitt for this reason.

I don't know if it is true, but I have recently read that the Sun has been given samples of Hewitt's and Harry's DNA. If it had been a match, the writer urges, would the downmarket paper have kept the information to itself?

And if he is the son of that tosser Hewitt, isn't that a horrible enough reflection, without everyone rubbing it in? Is it his fault?


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