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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject: September 7 Coronation of Henry III Reply with quote

September 7, 10 am Gloucester Cathedral re-enax Henry III's coronation to celebrate the centenary.

Marrianne you enjoyed the priesteroons being ordained; the Bishopsteroon of Glouchesteroon is indeed a womansteroon.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG Marianne I have just realized that you are a secret Joanista-eroon.

You misbehave in Church, BUT you behaved when the Priesteroons were ordained, THEREFORE you believed that Llandaf Cathedral was defiled by the ordinationsteroons, therefore you believed Llandaf was not a REAL church and THAT was why your were able to behave.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Henry iii Reply with quote

Are you thinking of going? I might have a cash flow problem which will be prohibitive. Or are you just going to watch it on TV?

I had not been thinking about the centenary at all. But it makes sense that it would be this year as King John did not survive Magna Carta by long.

If I remember rightly, Henry was a nine year old boy who was crowned in a hurry as a check to the French anti-king who was one of the real French kings called Louis.

Henry was crowned with his mother's bracelet partly because John had lost the Crown jewels in the Wash. Apparently, this does not mean a washing machine as I previously thought. The Wash is a tidal inlet between Norfolk and Lincolnshire.

It's particularly appropriate for a republican site, I feel, to reminisce about how we found out so much about kings from ladybird books. It was almost certainly King John who died from food poisoning after eating peaches. This is not to be confused with the tragic death of Henry i after eating 'a surfeit of lamphreys.'

I'm cool with the lady bishop. It's different over in Muslimland.

Since the menstruant spoke to the Imam, Islamic paradise is dirty and streaked and fly blown. It will never be confident glad morning again.

Islam has now thrown good money after bad. There have been some female imams running mosques in a western country in the last few days.

Why not? Islamic paradise is contaminated and filthy anyway.

Why not go the whole hog and have a woman imam? Or a hog imam?

There were a few women imams in China back in the nineteenth century. I don't know if they can only run the show in the absence of men.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject: Pope Joan ii Reply with quote

I felt like screaming ''Liberty, Equality and Fraternity' when we were in Llandaff Cathedral for the ordination of Welsh priestesses, during a very quiet part of the ceremony. But then I remembered that I'd already embarrassed you - at least - once that morning.

I thought I'd paid my debt to society. Why try too hard?

I remember being hurt that my adoptive mother thought I'd behaved very badly in church once as a child. It's true I'd talked loudly all the way through the proceedings, but I wasn't aware that was considered inappropriate.

I wasn't fully aware of it in 1991 either. It's great being a slow learner. It means never having to say you're sorry.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:42 pm    Post subject: holi Reply with quote

I forgot to ask, will a nine year old boy be crowned on 7 September, and will it be with a bracelet?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes

Who was this kid-king anyway ?

I thought that William Marshall was involved with all of this and sticking up for The Right to Be Rich ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Marshal,_1st_Earl_of_Pembroke

http://www.historyinanhour.com/2014/06/29/william-marshal-historys-greatest-knight/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:00 pm    Post subject: durrhh Reply with quote

It was a surfeit of lampreys. A lamprey is an eel like creature. Lamphrey is a town in Pembrokeshire. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:30 am    Post subject: Pabes Siwan yr ail Reply with quote

Joan 'felt very strongly that women should not be ordained as priests.' She must have done as she was chairman - she objected to the term chairperson - of Credo Cymru, the anti-priestess faction in the Church in Wales.

She gave an interview on the subject to 'Big Issue Cymru' which left the interviewers bemused as to her rationale. After the vote went against priestesses in 1994, people looked glum and shocked on News at Ten. ''But'' said the voice over in suave surprise,'' Some women disapprove of the concept of women priests!'', as the camera panned to an endomorph with empty eyes.

''Oh God!'', I exclaimed, ''It's her!'' Joan was disgruntled when priestesses were finally allowed in Wales in 1997. She said that 'many young people' opposed it, which was certainly vivid imagination on her part.

Whatever her reasons, it can't have been that she thought women should be self effacing. Aberdare Hall was like China under Chairman Mao when she was the warden, at least in the sense that images and icons of her were all over the place, although they suddenly vanished when she was given an inkling that her adoring public wasn't.

She presumably saw the world as a macrocosm of the church. Just as she was chairman of the anti-priestess faction, she accused me of ruling a faction in the third corridor of the hall of residence. Liz tried to disabuse her of this fantasy by citing an inoffensive resident.

''You can't imagine Ruth Edwards being a member of a faction, can you?'' she asked. ''Ah, but Ruth is not spiritually a member of the corridor!'', said Joan in all seriousness.

People like this may seen comical, but they are lethal if they get into power. I have nightmares about Joan to this day. I hoped that attending her funeral would be cathartic.

It wasn't, but it was informative. I heard a guest say, ''Yes, I was an oblate with Joan.'' This didn't surprise me as I'd heard she had been a lay nun, or a part time nun as Liz sarcastically put it.

Rowan Williams gave the eulogy in which he described fondly her naive and childlike aspects, said there was 'always something of the school prefect about her', and he didn't believe she even noticed when friends gently teased her. He also said she 'came down like a tun of bricks' on students she disapproved of, but made this sound kosher.

He added, ''This is ironic given her later attitudes'', but before her conversion to Anglicanism, she had been the Baptist equivalent of a woman priest! I thought, ''Well I never did!''

I was surprised, although I shouldn't have been, given that projection is one of the few Freudian insights that appears to be well founded. So maybe it works in reverse.

Joan was fanatically anti-priestess but was inwardly and secretly a priestess. I was on the other side, writing letters to the papers on the subject, but my heart wasn't totally in it. This is quite correct.

I felt the need to stand up for priestesses as an egalitarian. But in my heart of hearts, I believe that instead of 50% of the population being ineligible to be priests, 100% of the population should be ineligible to be priests because we don't need priests.

It has nothing to do with menstrual taboos though. When we were being taken round the Greek Orthodox Church in Cardiff, I had hopes of nipping into the sanctuary as I was then in a menstruous condition. I thought it would be fun to invalidate all future events - whatever happens in the sanctuary. But I didn't manage it.

Joan's misogyny is not hard to account for. According to Rowan Williams, she lost her mother Amy Buckingham as a baby.

She could not remember the doting love of a mother. Why should anyone be ministered to by Mother Mandy or Mother Geraldine?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is not everybody a priest or priestess in their own religion ? Take Richard Dawkins for example ... the most ardent of atheists who can not see that he has founded a religion ...

... More importantly let us complain about the state religion of The Democrats in Wales and Westminster who demand that we all publicly confess to belief in their non-political system ...

... Demockery is of course just like any other religious system : transparently false yet if any of us dares to comment upon the blatant hypocrisy of it we are immediately denounced.

Republicanism is different : it is conducted as the priesthood of all true believers and thus in The USA - the greatest of all republics in the history of The World - they can do no wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:31 am    Post subject: priest Reply with quote

The early Protestants anyway had a concept of the priesthood of all believers. It's not that there was not a person set aside to fulfill a priestly or at least ministerial role in the church.

But there was a break with the Catholic concept that the priest mediates between God and humanity, and to rely on your own interpretation is heresy.
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My own perception of the idea that we now live in " The Secular Society " is that it is false and potentially dangerous : we are misled into thinking that we are not using ideas to think ...

... I think that we should acknowledge the ideas that we use have their roots in our personal histories and that we have constructed them by clothing our experiences in the words which are available to us ...

... Which is why Cymraeg should not be sentimentalised over but defended as an important repository of words whose associations are often radically different from those in English : it is therefore an asset to our society - provided that it is not seized upon as a means to control others in the same way that other repositories of words are commonly used as the means to create what I term as Hierocracies which is by analogy with the original meaning infers that a community of interest is defrauding others by either obscuring The Truth or - more typically - demanding that Lies are subscribed to by others lest they be excluded ... In a sense this is about the difference between " Open " and " Closed " politics - which I have symbolised verbally in such phrases as " Y Dydd " where the Open mouthed pronunciation of " Y " is contrasted to the Closed mouthed pronunciation of " y " in " Dydd." When we are put under pressure by Ultraists we inevitably start to behave in a " Closed " way - our response to the coercions used against us by The Hierocrats is to not express our thoughts lest attack us for holding a different point of view to themselves : this will happen in a Hierocracy even if we are not criticising them - typically they themselves do not believe in what they require us to publicly subscribe to, so they are not concerned about private criticism - because the public expression of a different point of view is a threat to their exercise of power over us ...

... Hence when The Hierocrats want to exercise their power over us the mechanism is one of either denouncing those who hold a different point of view - or alleging that they hold a different point of view and then denouncing them : this is the same mechanism which is commonly found in dysfunctional families ... the very sorts of families which produce so many of these turbulent priests ... But who will rid of us of all of these turbulent teachers, journalists and chat show hosts ? ... The fact is that we live in an increasingly " Closed Society " where we are being bombarded all day long but not with everybody else's point of view - what is constantly seeping into our minds is the point of view of those who own The Media : books, newspapers, radio and television have been nakedly controlled by those with the resources to publish them and if it is not so obvious now any inquiry into the history of them reveals that there was a smooth transition of power out of the hands of the hireling priests into the hands of the hireling journalists - but their paymasters remained the same ... The Aristocrats whose wealth was once derived from their feudal estates where they decided which priest to hire to deceive their serfs changed their source of wealth through Imperialism and Industrialism into Capitalism and invested in and control The Media where they decided which journalist to hire to deceive the descendants of their serfs ... indeed they are still " farming " us - a " farm " was a taxation payment made to a liege lord and had nothing to do with agriculture : it was the feudal fee for renting a serf.

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I was skimming this earlier - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Rosenberg - what do you think ?

" ... Professor Michael Hakeem radicalized Marshall when he indicated that psychology and psychiatry were dangerous in that scientific and value judgments were mixed in the fields. Hakeem also had Marshall read about traditional moral therapy in which clients were seen as down on their luck rather than sick. Marshall was influenced by the 1961 books The Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz and Asylums by Erving Goffman. He also remembered reading Albert Bandura on "Psychotherapy as a learning process". ... Rosenberg started out in clinical practice in Saint Louis, Missouri forming Psychological Associates with partners. In making an analysis of problems of children in school, he found learning disabilities. He wrote his first book, Diagnostic Teaching, in 1968, reporting his findings. He also met Al Chappelle, a leader in the Zulu 1200s. Marshall went to teach his approach to conflict resolution to the gang in exchange for Chappelle appearing at desegregation conventions, starting in Washington, D.C. While Chappelle was harnessing communication against racism, Vicki Legion began to collaborate to counter sexism. "I started to give my services, instead of to individual affluent clients, to people on the firing line like Al and Vicki, and others fighting in behalf of human rights of various groups." ...

... The importance of strokes of appreciation or affirmation, between communicants, had been emphasized for instance by adherents to transactional analysis. "My workshops before this time used a language of conflict resolution and talked about getting power with people and stuff like that. They focused entirely on helping people deal with behaviors that were painful to them and finding ways of changing them. There was nothing about celebrating with people or affirming each other, or the words 'nurturance' or 'compassion'." Marshall says the program led to the femininization of the program (beyond conflict). ... Marshall Rosenberg was called to many states, countries, and conflicts to provide his expertise in nonviolent communication. In 2004 he was visiting about 35 countries per year on his mission as a travelling peacemaker ... According to Albert Ellis, Ted Crawford, who wrote a book Making Intimate Connections with Ellis, "particularly liked the anger-resisting philosophy of Marshall Rosenberg and made presentations on it." ... "

[ I THINK THAT THE POINT THAT I HAVE IN MIND IS THAT WHAT MOST PEOPLE PERCEIVE AS " RELIGION " IS IN FACT HIEROCRACY - AND THIS PERCEPTION HAS BEEN CREATED BY RIVAL GROUPS OF HIEROCRATS IN THE MEDIA WHO ARE NOT ACCEPTING THE RESPONSIBILITIES UNDERTAKEN BY THE CLERICS : RELIGIOUS GROUPS ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH GRANDIOSE CONCEPTS BUT THEY ARE GROUNDED IN ACTUAL SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS - WHEREAS THE MEDIA PRESENT DISTRACTING DELUSIONS WITHOUT OFFERING PEOPLE ANYTHING ELSE E.G. EVEN THE MOST EARNEST NEWSPAPER JOURNALISM IS IN EFFECT A FORM OF ESCAPISM WHICH IS MORE PERNICIOUS THAN THAT OF RELIGION - BECAUSE IT INVITES PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT IN WRITING TO THE EDITOR THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE THAN PRAYER ... AND THIS IN TURN DELUDES JOURNALISTS INTO THINKING THAT THEY ARE GOD. ]


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I am not so sure how far I am off-message so far ... I decided to relax after the above and watch -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07599zn/the-truth-commissioner - The Truth Commissioner

- it relates to the above in terms of religion essentially being about the attempt to make sense of our experiences using the agreed record of how sense is to be made of things which is what The Hierocrats profess to be protecting and propagating but immediately meddle with in order to slant our understanding of society either in their own favour or in favour of the private interests which appoint them to their livings ... I have paused the drama because I was hoping to learn something about what happened in the Truth and Reconciliation process but I doubt that I can from this which is just using the historical events as merely a backdrop and that is irritating me ... What might be culled from it however is the parallels between the demands for blind faith with refusals to allow the belief systems involved to be examined that exist in both Hierocracy and Democracy, the latter really being an outgrowth of the former which not only propagates Lies but also relies upon cultivating Hatred in order to divide a society into sectarian groups to play off against each other, where those who were previously shunned as heretics are subjected to hostility for associating with those who are identified as " other " i.e. that Democracy is the next step into " Other-ism " - Ultraism - and the following step is into Aristocracy which positively excludes others from the means to live ... which was what was being done to the Catholic communities in the 1960s which started " The Troubles."

I think that The Truth in Northern Ireland is not so much inaccessible - refusals to talk, stolen and suppressed documents, the witnesses dead and buried never to be found - as not possible to create i.e. a mass of further facts could be discovered - e.g. further documents might be released concerning the behaviour of The United Kingdom - but they will be of little use other than to historians and forensic sociologists ... Whilst it is said that " Truth is the first casualty of War " it is still the case that lies are facts also : it was the suppression of reporting from both sides of the conflict - the suppression of communication across the sectarian divide - which harmed The People in Northern Ireland ... perhaps more than any amount of physical violence ... and this was arguably a harm perpetrated by multiple varieties of Hierocrats against religion : in order to be able to tell The Lies freely the first thing to do is to suppress The Truth - then into the vacuum of meaning thus created at a time of uncertainty - when we crave to understand what is happening, to make sense of the unfamiliar - it is easy to offer up ideological explanations that can not be tested but which seem to be plausible, arguments which can not be tested against most of the facts because they have been hidden or destroyed in favour of those few choice facts which appear to support what The Hierocrats want you to believe ...

" You are frightened of the dark ? ... Do you not agree that Gerry Adams is frightening ? ... It is dark under your bed ... perhaps Gerry Adams is hiding in the dark under your bed - that is frightening is it not ? ... NO ! ... Do not go and look - Gerry Adams might murder you under your bed ! ... Here - get into bed with me child ... I will let you into what will be just our little secret - you can trust me : I am a priest - but do not worry - I am a Protestant Priest ! " [ - AND THIS DARK HUMOUR IS BASED UPON A TRUE STORY ]

The advantage in discussing ( was his name really Henry ? ) of course is that the facts about him have all been drawn from royalist propaganda and so none of our arguments about such historical events can be tested : we can use and abuse them as we please without hurting anybody in the pursuit of expressing our ideas to entertain ourselves in the course of mutually constructing and communicating our understandings - and without coercing each other to agree we come to share a point of view : therefore I wish to argue that whatever anybody thinks of what we are doing on " Y Repwblic " the fact is that this aspect of it is the necessary precursor to politics - the creation of shared points of view through the necessary human activity of " religion " - " re-tying ( together ) " - the Atruistic human behaviour of the collective pursuit of Truth in order to share our understanding of The World and thus collectively increase our control over our society - as opposed to the subversion of this by Ultraists who ultimately seek sole control over the society in which they live by preventing others from understanding The World by not allowing them to talk freely to each other in order to end the collective pursuit of Truth : this is Hierocracy which is the first step in Ultraism which will lead ultimately to the utterly dysfunctional society of Monocracy where the laws are framed entirely willfully upon the non-principle of " Sovereignty " which cultivates Lies, Hatred, Slavery, War - and Death.

So choose Life - choose Peace, Freedom, Love and Truth - just choose Republicanism !
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It was a surfeit of lampreys. A lamprey is an eel like creature. Lamphrey is a town in Pembrokeshire. Rolling Eyes
King died of eating too many towns. I know that Aristos are metaphorically cannibals and vampires upon Peasants. I didn't know they did it literally.

9 year old with the bracelet in the Cathedral - probably.

You wanna come out and play?
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Sorry Daf : I do not know what time it was exactly that you asked me whether I wanted to come out and play : I took a walk across the city this evening and hovered thinking about ringing you but I was tired and hungry and came home to eat and throw myself onto the bed ... Did you enjoy those Roman re-enactors yesterday ? ... I decided to go for a walk and play the architective rather than pay £5 for the privilege of practicing my moral indignation about encouraging children to enthuse about warfare ...

... And I really do think that The Druids in Wales ought to have tried a lot harder to reason with those Romans and get them to see the errors of their ways you know - but as you know they eventually came to feel ashamed of their behaviour and peacefully departed leaving The City in Cardiff with an improved infrastructure of excellent roads, good aquaducts, a sound sewerage system, improved port facilities and fine civic architecture - and of course this was all left in the care of The Democrats in Cardiff and we know what happened next do we not ? The Danes in Hundemanby founded their town in the middle of a mess - and despite Cardiff being one of the richest cities in The World at one time and full of Hierocrats, Democrats and Aristocrats they still have not repaired what The Romans in Tamium built ... Ah well - here is the poem I wrote in the pub ...

For some The Romans just came to trade_But we think The Celts they came to raid_To extract their crops through cruel extortion -_Taxing them all in due proportion -_And thus to Rome their roads were laid ...

For some The Romans just came to trade_
But we think The Celts they came to raid_
To extract their crops through cruel extortion -_
Taxing them all in due proportion -_
And thus to Rome their roads were laid ...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:46 pm    Post subject: play Reply with quote

If you were talking to me Moritz, can I tell you nearer the time? I would really like to go but this may be a difficult time. I'll let you know a few days before at least.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You come to mine Friday night. We go at 8;30 am.

Will \Dai come out to play?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:46 am    Post subject: coda Reply with quote

For the information of Dai and anyone else who may want to come to the re-enactment, it is not on 7 September.

That was a typo. It is on the following Saturday. It's not September 11, is it?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the Interwebs tlc it is known
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I am bewildered ... Saturday 3rd or 10th ? ... Is this yet another Roman Re-enactment ? ... I barely know whether I am going to make it to my next cig !

What I am doing at the mo is listening to that R4 programme about Marshall Rosenberg and non-violent communication ... well you have accused me of being passive-aggressive several times before and I have cited the obvious facts and arguments back : I just can not understand why you lot continue to think that I am " passive " ? I am a Pacificator with a strong slant towards being wholly Pacifist - but never a Passivist ... A Pacifist in terms of principle but a Pacificator in terms of temperament : I come to the fray armed only with my wits ... actually it has usually been my wits that result in people picking fights with me ... I am sure that you would recognise that we might all have that in common with each other ... excepting of course that the only thing which absolutely everybody has in common is that we are all absolutely different ... excepting me perhaps because I have a lot in common with The Deity ... after all He does not believe in me and I do not believe in him ... and obviously He is not as others imagine him to be - and nor am I ... etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07q87sm

GREAT LIVES - Tony Hawks on Marshall Rosenberg

Marshall Rosenberg was the stern faced creator of nonviolent communication, a man who spent his life finding ways to eradicate hate. Often armed only with his trademark giraffe and jackal puppets, Rosenberg toured the world teaching a new way of speaking. Language was key, but to discover the meaning of the puppets you'll have to tune in. Championing Marshall Rosenberg is the comedian and author Tony Hawks, author of Round Ireland with a Fridge and a regular radio guest on shows including I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue. A sceptical Matthew Parris presents while David Baker of the London School of Life fills in the biographical gaps.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Saturday, 830 am, j'accuse Dafydd with the Car at the House.
Be there or be sqare.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh ?

What is the event ?

I know that protesting to politicians is a futile ... but can't you pick me up ?
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