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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: cho Reply with quote

We confidently expected that when Anjem Choudary appeared in court for sentencing today, he would be given a minimum sentence of ten years. That was what had been predicted.

Instead as his supporters in the public gallery whooped, ''Allahu akbar!'', he was given five and a half years. The leniency is hard to explain.

Choudary used his legal training to keep himself out of court until recently. He would set up an organisation called - say - 'Islam4UK'. It would be banned. He would then set up another organisation called perhaps, 'Sharia4UK'. That would also be banned.

So he would replace it with something called, for the sake of argument, 'Jihad4UK.' This would go on perhaps a dozen times. He made a fool of the law.

And perhaps he is doing it again. Some journalists predicted that he would turn his imprisonment to his advantage, on the premise: Never waste a good crisis.

The state has monitored Choudary for 20 years. It was hard to bring him to account because of his slippery casuistry and legal training. But there may have also been a feeling that it was useful to keep him on the outside and keep tabs on him.

We have to go no further than the beheading of Lee Rigby on a London street in broad daylight to see that this was not a sensible policy. Nor was it only in the UK, that Choudary was organising murder and mayhem. He often nipped over to Belgium for instance to set up Sharia4Belgium.

It is quite mind fuddling that he has managed to get away with a sentence of five years. Life without parole would seem more appropriate.

The home office thinks it is being very clever in making him the inaugural member of a clique of terrorists in a prison within a prison. I'm afraid they are sadly mistaken.

In one sense, Roger is right to call Choudary a complete idiot. There is nothing wise or sensible about what he is doing.

But from the point of view of cunning and strategic thinking, I'm afraid he's much cleverer than the people who think they have him where they want him. I doubt we've heard the last of Choudary.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is quite mind fuddling that he has managed to get away with a sentence of five years. Life without parole would seem more appropriate.

The home office thinks it is being very clever in making him the inaugural member of a clique of terrorists in a prison within a prison. I'm afraid they are sadly mistaken.

In one sense, Roger is right to call Choudary a complete idiot. There is nothing wise or sensible about what he is doing.


It is "appropriate" to let him continue for 20 years. The wonder is if he gets any prison at all. "Appropriate" is the PC buzz-word of all buzz-words. PCers love sharia and want to make it compulsory.

In the old days, incitement to murder was a crime, not any more. Now self-defence is the crime.

I wish Chowdray were an idiot. He is very efficient at being evil.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: rod Reply with quote

I try to avoid the writings of the journalist Rod Liddle who sees speaking Welsh as unacceptable, a strike against the cohesion of the UK. Today, Rod Liddle has an article in the Spectator arguing that we had no right to imprison Choudary at all!

This is based on the fallacious understanding of freedom of speech put round by the staff at Spiked. Liddle says that Choudary didn't do stuff, only said stuff.

I have already explained that this has never been a defence in British law, and why it shouldn't be one now in the context of Choudary under the Ella Whelan thread. I think Liddle doesn't know what's going on. He thinks people should be allowed to incite carnage - successfully - because in his addled mind, this is free speech.

But wasn't the original extremist argument in favour of free speech that it was harmless because speech is 'only' words, that don't have any effect in the real world? Dafydd would say this argument is retarded.

Of course, Liddle makes an exception for speaking Welsh. If Anjem Choudary had appeared at the Taliesin Centre in Swansea and joined in a rendition of 'Sosban Fach', Liddle wouldn't have wanted the courts to have any mercy on him.

It's hard to believe Liddle gets paid for producing this shit. Why is he in a job at all?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:34 pm    Post subject: appeal Reply with quote

The Appeal Court was set up to give us a chance to ask for harsh prison sentences to be reviewed or for the sentence itself to be overturned. Its function has evolved.

Within our lifetime, it was decided that the Appeal Court would have the power to increase ridiculously lenient sentences if asked to do so.

Anjem Choudary has been given five years. In practice, this means he will be out in two.

Apparently, through some loophole in the law, both the Home Office and the Appeal Court are powerless to replace this joke sentence with one commensurate with the danger he poses to society.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject: The last hour comes? Reply with quote

In the face of opposition from traditionalists, Pakistan has brought in legislation making it harder to commit honour killings. More than 20 girls have been rescued from Boko Haram, and reunited with their families.

Dabiq is a place which has mystic significance for Islamists. In a moment of apocalyptic fantasising, Mohammed apparently said that the last hour would not come until Muslims had conquered the Romans in Dabiq on their way to take Constantinople.

'Dabiq' is the name of Isis' English language magazine which set out its case about 'why we hate you and want to fight you.' Isis is about to lose Dabiq.

As if that was not demoralising enough, both Raqqa and Mosul are under siege. Mosul will probably fall soon. Does this mean Isis will cease to exist?

It will probably lose its caliphate. This does not have to mean that it will cease to exist altogether.

We can reasonably predict that it it loses every inch of territory, it will mutate and continue in cyberspace. That may be so, but we'd rather Isis continued as an infestation of supertrolls than as a deranged theocracy on the ground.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: light a candle! Reply with quote

At this very moment the battle for Mosul is going on. Our prayers and hopes will do no good.

There is no evidence that the supernatural exists. But you yourself can be a ministering angel. The Pakistani Christian Asia Bibi has been in prison - on remand - for seven years for the blasphemy of drinking from the same well as Muslims, and thereby making it ritually unclean.

We have noted that her local MP and the defence attorney have both been assassinated. She is running out of time. A disobliging hashtag campaign has gone viral on the net. It is called 'Hang Asia.' You can be a counter weight.

Amnesty International has urgently requested your intervention on behalf of Zainab aged 22 who is in hourly danger of being hanged in an Iranian prison. Zainab was a victim of regular domestic violence and rape by her brother-in-law.

She entered a child marriage in the mistaken belief that it would be an escape from poverty. Because the trial was a travesty, we cannot be confident that she has committed homicide.

But even if she has, she was a minor, and it looks like a case of self defence. One of the reasons, apart from bureaucratic delay while she is still alive at the age of 22 is that she entered another marriage in prison and became pregnant.

She was so shocked when her friend and cellmate was dragged out to be hanged without warning, that it triggered premature labour, and the baby was stillborn. The powers that be now see no reason to delay her own execution.

It could happen at any time. Don't just twiddle your thumbs, waiting for Mosul to fall!

Petition the Pakistani and Iranian governments! Don't hide your divine spark under a bushel!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean this woman who tore up a photo of the king of Bahrain ?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/bahrain-one-year-prison-sentence-for-activist-who-ripped-up-photo-of-king-a-vindictive-assault-on-freedom-of-expression/

Or this one ?

http://www.oiac-us.com/female-christian-prisoner-goes-on-hunger-strike-in-iran-jail/

Or this one ? ... Y will be most upset !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zainab_Masood
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:55 pm    Post subject: lucidity Reply with quote

I've obviously fallen below my usual standards of clarity. I was thinking of two different people in Islamic theocracies, which I don't think Albert Square is yet.It would be funny to see what Eastenders would be like after London has fallen to Isis.

I don't think Zainab from Walford needs any help from Amnesty International yet. Her alter ego Nadia Sawalha is not a prisoner of conscience. She is able to appear on our TV screens to tell us she does not think Ched Evans is much of a role model.

It's good to know she's an upstanding citizen. Maybe, she's a bit unrealistic though. If you look at any role model too closely, you'll find they're not fit for purpose.

All idols have feet of clay. No more heroes anymore, as the Stranglers would say. They couldn't be bothered to insert a verb, so it is not a sentence as it should be.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZodbKNiO_k - No Gods (and Precious Few Heroes) - Jamie Marshall

That was a bit grim - this is sweeter - Mary Hopkin - " International " -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3-PCXVzze-0

Dear Marianne,

do you write your pieces directly into the " Edit Post " box or compose them elsewhere ?

I have said it before - and of course I do not know what kind of computer you are using - but on most pc's if you use the mouse to put the cursor over the address line and left click it to select it you can then right click it and you will be offered a number of options in a box : click " copy " and then put the cursor back into " Edit Post " where you want to put the link and left click, right click and select " paste " - then you can provide links to those pages on these pages.

Again - I am just going to bed and I really enjoy unwinding by reading your posts !

I just wrote this long poem which I like ... I hope that you like it too ! ... Left click - right click - copy - change page back - left click - right click - paste - tardahh !

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=4247#4247
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stranglers = No more heroes any more versus
Tina Turner = looking for a hero.

One letter to Viz whinged - I wish pop stars would make up their minds.

Another letter resolved the Paradox. Stranglers' song was a year after Tina's; enough heroes had responded to Tina's summons for whatever mission. Both songs are logically consistent for historical circumstances where we need more heroes one year and less heroes next year.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:54 pm    Post subject: terry Reply with quote

As Iraqi forces entered Mosul on Friday, Terry 'Khalid' Kelly from Dublin blew himself up in a suicide attack. He drove towards then in a lorry packed with explosives.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often wonder as to murderers as to whether they would otherwise commit suicide ...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:23 pm    Post subject: cop Reply with quote

Had things been otherwise, he might have committed suicide by cop. Apparently, his suicidal gesture had little or no military value. We don't know yet if he took anyone with him, but he's taken himself out of the gene pool.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to wonder how these jihadis select their suicide bombers ... " Ali - Ali !!! - We need a new martyr : a pious one who will blow himself up for the glory of - " " - NO No no ... look - there is this annoying opinionated Irish ... "
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: terry Reply with quote

marianneh wrote:
As Iraqi forces entered Mosul on Friday, Terry 'Khalid' Kelly from Dublin blew himself up in a suicide attack. He drove towards then in a lorry packed with explosives.

Ulster Peace Process: Blair offered IRA bigger and better Terrorism from invading Iraq. Khalid Kelly tried to join IRA and was seconded to Daesh, their sister organization.

Plus que ca change, plus que la meme chose.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: mosul Reply with quote

As Iraqi troops enter Mosul, we have also heard that Isis has executed at least 40 people for what they call treason and displayed their bodies on electricity poles.

Apparently they have also shot one man dead in a public square for ignoring their ban on mobile phones. This is extremely bad. But we can only hope the caliphate is in its death throes.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:02 pm    Post subject: shot not hot Reply with quote

I should have said shot not hot.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caliph Erdogan has fatwahed: it's legal to rape children IF you marry those children and continue to rape them until they die.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:26 pm    Post subject: nothing new under the sun Reply with quote

When I first read the above post by Moritz this morning, my mind resisted taking it in. I told myself it couldn't be true. But it is true.

According to reliable sources, it will be discussed in the Turkish parliament on Tuesday. We're regressing in so many ways. We're going to Hell in a handcart.

In fact, this crazy and evil idea has deep roots in the primitive parts of the human psyche, and precedents can be adduced from all over the place. If a Zimbabwean father heard that his school age daughter had been raped, he would typically respond, ''Let him take his wife.''

The idea seemed to be that the act of rape in itself constituted marriage. It would be deeply immoral to thwart it by refusing to give the girl to the rapist.

In the Old Testament too, if a man rapes a 'damsel' who is not already spoken for, he is to give a few shekels to her father and have her as a wife. It is rather comical that this is the only divorce proof marriage the Mosaic code recognises. He shall not 'put her away all his days.'

I've already mentioned in an above post that as recently as 1928, a man in Britain was advised by his lawyer to marry a 13 year old girl he had raped. Her parents agreed, and she was subsequently kept a starving and petrified prisoner in his house.

The age of consent had been 16 in Britain since late Victorian times, but it only applied to unmarried girls. After Parliament discussed this case in 1929, the minimum age of marriage was raised to 16 in most UK countries. It had previously been 12.

In Virginia today you can avoid a charge of statutory rape by marrying the younger person. The discussions are now going the other way to those in Turkey. It is hoped that this loophole can be closed.

Of course I don't think consensual sexual experimentation between adolescents of a similar age should be treated like a crime. It would be oppressive not to turn a blind eye to 'Romeo and Juliet' relationships. We don't want policemen saying, 'Hello, young lovers; you're under arrest.''

But we shouldn't be rewarding 60 year old men for raping children by giving the children to them as presents. How can anyone possibly think this is acceptable?

Obviously it is based in primeval thinking. It's predicated on the idea that children and women are property. Rape is treated as a property crime.

It's like the rule in shops that 'if you break it, you own it.' If you knock a piece of crockery to the ground and it smashes, you pay for it, and you can take the pieces away if you like.

Nobody thinks ''Oh, the poor cup! What a terrible ordeal it's had!'' Nobody thinks it has a right to a point of view, because it is an inanimate thing.

Here are some rules to live by I hope the Turkish Parliament will consider on Tuesday:

Children are people.

People ain't property.

It is not the function of the state to encourage and reward paedophilia, but rather to punish it.

We know people were woefully lacking in empathy in the past. I'm afraid we're regressing back to the bronze age. We tolerate psychopaths like Erdogan, and the USA now has President Pussy Grabber.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:29 am    Post subject: Phew! that's a relief! Reply with quote

I am happy to say that Turkey will not now release child rapists on condition that they marry their victims and rape them for the rest of their lives. The U turn came after thousands of demonstrators took to the streets on Saturday.

That's a relief. You might as well offer to release burglars from jail on the condition that they accept the house they burgled and all its contents as a present.

I wasn't optimistic. This has always been a mad world but it appeared to be getting insaner by the day.

Since the Trump victory, I've felt as if we were living in Ruritania. Sam Harris was sarcastic about the demonstrators in the US who oppose Trump.''Good luck with that!'' he said with a roll of the eyes.

But I say, if it's the only way you will be heard, take direct action. Get out on the streets.

A show of force by demonstrators brought down the total abortion ban in Poland. Demonstrators have averted legal child rape in so called child marriages in Turkey.

You might argue that nothing can stop Trump being inaugurated - or almost nothing. But demonstrators can prevent Trumpian policies. I trust he can't last four years without being impeached anyway. Very Happy
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