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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject: Jo - more in common Reply with quote

The Methodist Church Hall in Abergavenny had an event today - or yesterday now - to mark the anniversary of the brutal murder of Jo Cox MP. ''Bore da, pawb!'', said the master of ceremonies.

Several people spoke to me in Welsh as we arranged the refreshments. The mayor introduced the event in his London accent. The choir sang about unity. A young man from Hope Not Hate gave a speech. I feel I am not worthy to become a member.

I don't hate any ethnic, social or religious group - except nuns of course- but I am too full of what Dai would call immoral thoughts.

Hope Not Hate's flyer stated, '...'A mother of two young children, Jo was killed by a man fuelled by the Nazi ideology of hate.

'Jo was murdered because she was a good person. She was killed because she cared for the very community where she grew up. She was killed because she was a passionate supporter of equality and a vocal opponent of discrimination and hate. She was killed because she championed the rights of refugees and people suffering around the world.

'Even as she was being attacked, her only thought was for the safety of others as she pleaded with her killer to just target her and leave her staff alone.

'Jo embodied hope. In her maiden sppech in Parliament she said that ''we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us.''

That was Jo Cox.'

I had to blink back tears. I wish I could share the hope. If this is how we treat our best people, what hope is there?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:13 am    Post subject: let them eat cake? Reply with quote

We still don't know how many people have been killed in the fire trap that was our government's idea of social housing. It's too unsafe still to enter the ruins. The charred human remains haven't been touched. But the butcher's bill is expected to be in treble figures.

People are now marching on Downing Street with placards proclaiming, 'Justice for Grenfell' and 'It was Murder.' A lawyer might quibble. You can do a corporation for manslaughter but not murder.

But isn't the slogan right after all? The policy of compassionate Conservatives towards its people, can be described as beaurocratic homicide.

Before the DUP talks get anywhere, may this administration be brought down by direct action! We don't have to endure this anymore. Polly Toynbee says the tower block will be May's monument.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: anoother week another atrocity Reply with quote

Finsbury Park Mosque was notorious at the time of Abu Hamza. It is said to have become quite an ordinary mosque more recently.

An area between this mosque and another Islamic centre has been used for Muslims to gather for refreshments during the hours of darkness in Ramadan when they are permitted to eat and drink. It appears that a driver has deliberately targeted them, ploughing into them with a van, perhaps thinking that all Muslims are terrrorists, and that they should get a dose of their own medicine.

A witness said, ''The imam said, 'Don't hit him. Pin him down until the police come.'' ' He also said that as the police took him away, he thumbed his nose at the crowd, saying he would do it again.

At first, it was reported that while there had been injuries, no one had been killed. It looks as if one person has subsequently died.

A young eye witness said that he had known people who had died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy and he also had friends who had helped on that occasion. In these interesting times, one tragedy comes fast on the heels of the last one.

He also said that Muslims feel unsafe walking the streets. They always have to keep looking over their shoulder. He added that had a person from a minority group attacked people who were not Muslims, it would have been treated as a terrorist incident.

He compared the response to that following the death of Jo Cox.Because the murderer was a white Nazi, no one took it seriously.Had a Muslim - and particularily a brown Muslim- assassinated an MP, it would have been treated as a major incident.

This is a perception that many Muslims have. In fact the Finsbury Park van incident is being treated as a terrorist act and so was the murder of Jo Cox.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:35 pm    Post subject: darren Reply with quote

Darren Osborne who ploughed into Muslims near Finsbury Park Mosque in a van hired from Pontyclun, was born in Singapore and grew up in Somerset. He does not have deep roots in Cardiff.

Some described him as a 'lovable mentalist.' He had become more shouty recently. His Muslim neighbour, who has a Welsh accent, had heard him quietly say things like 'inbred', and so had her son, but they wondered if they had misheard, and he was talkng to his dog.

The one person who died at the scene was already lying on the ground. He was being treated for a heart attack.He might have died anyway, but some people have life changing injuries which are entirely due to Osborne.The imam is being hailed as a hero for preventing angry people from delivering rough justice.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject: abu bakr al baghdadi Reply with quote

Russia says it is highly likely that Abu Bakr al Baghdadi the 'caliph' of Islamic State has been killed in one of their air strikes. Isis itself has blown up the leaning minaret of Mosul from which the caliphate was proclaimed in 2014.

People are upset about this as it was a beautiful building of historic significance. I'm just relieved that Isis didn't occupy Egypt and blow up the pyramids and the Sphinx.

The destruction of the minaret and the mosque it was part of, is also seen as a 'Nero hour' gesture by Isis, an admission that it is all over. According to this interpretation, Isis is in its death agony. I wish I could feel confident of it.

Opposing forces are in Mosul. It may be that Isis will soon have lost every inch of territory. But cyberspace is a different matter altogether.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to add - except my thank you for providing some thought provoking posts ( I added comments elsewhere ) for me to come home to enjoy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject: win lose Reply with quote

You will rememeber, Dai, that Neville Chamberlain, said that in war, although one side might call intself the winner, there are no winners but only losers. This was an expression of the pacifist ethos that became so popular after the First World War, and made him so unprepared for the second.

We're always fighting the last war, and we'd concluded that WW1 wasn't worth fighting. We've now concluded that Blair and Bush's invasion of Iraq was a bad move. Most of us thought this even before it began.

We hear that the battle inside Mosul has reached its last but deadliest phase. The bodies of IS fighters are lying around the streets. It is expected that Iraqi forces will declare victory in a few days.

This doesn't mean the citizens are rejoicing. A dazed youg woman with scarred brow is seen crossing the battleground. Everyone in her family is dead. Children have nothing suitable to eat. Isis has set off a bomb in what was the shopping centre, and an air strike has killed fifty civilians.

Raqqa is now surrounded by Iraqi forces. It may be the beginning of the end of the armed conflict in the physical space that has been designated Islamic State. But we know the war will continue by other means.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would agree then that " political violence " is an oxymoron ?

Like " military intelligence " and " democratic mandate " - ?

Politics is supposed to lead to consensus if not harmony.

Which is not to disregard violence as a political issue - if it exists then it requires a political response : for the pursuit of a political solution it is necessary to defend the apparatus which makes that possible i.e. The Rule of Law which is not the same as defending The State which has been created by various laws which may represent the private interests of those communities which have obtained control of The State by the use of Ultraist means i.e. Hierocracy, Democracy, Aristocracy, Monocracy - which are a progression away from Nomos towards Chaos as power over The State is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands ... Hierocrats tell Lies but declare that they are bringing Truth, Democrats promote Hatred but call it Love, Aristocrats create Slavery but sell it as Liberty, Monocrats pursue War but claim that it is in order to arrive at Peace : The Left Hand Path of Sinister Politics i.e. not political at all - as opposed to The Right Hand Path of Dexterous Politics i.e. politics as facts and arguments - with a political system shaped for that purpose where The State is founded upon The Rule of Law - not " Sovereignty."

" Sovereignty " is a superfluous idea : The Law is sufficient - a declaration of our Common Sense and advisory not punitive, excepting that that it declares what our response will be to those who act contrary to our collective wishes. The State is essentially a collection of charitable institutions in a Republican political system but the ethos is not that of Democracy but Nomocracy : Republicanism is not Socialism.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: linda wenzel Reply with quote

I haven't said much about Islamic State recently, not even after the only partially successful tube explosion at Parson's Green. Iraqi forces have taken back more and more territory.

One of the people rescued from the ruins of a bombed building was a 16 year old girl who had been seen in the area constantly carrying a baby boy who may or may not be her own son.

At first, she was thought to be a Yazidi sex slave. But she is in fact a German girl, Linda Wenzel, who ran away from home last year to be a Jihadi bride. Her Chechen husband was killed in the battle for Mosul.

Linda was one of those teenage girls who fell for the propaganda that a new life in Islamic State would be empowering. Her parents are ethnic Germans, not Muslims at all.

They were delighted to hear she is still alive, and have been looking forward to welcoming her home. But there is a serious hitch. She has seen the error of her ways, and is eager to return to Germany.

But she won't be allowed to go. She has been working as part of the moral police who patrol other women's Islamic costume. And perhaps she has done much worse things than that - such as killing people for instance.

As she was arrested, people jeered, ''Treat her carefully! She is blonde! She is German! She is fragile!'' They were being sarcastic.

The current Iraqi president says she will be tried for her life. When teenagers kill innocent people, they are responsible for their actions.

Her youth won't save her from the death peanalty altogether, but through some tortuous legal loophole, she can't actually be executed until she is 22. I'm sure you will agree with me that the Iraqi state should be magnanimous in victory.

Children and teenagers can be cruel and dangerous. We know that. But their brains are in a state of flux as it were. They have not fully matured, and there is more hope for redemption than would be the case with adults.

Furthermore, Iraq doesn't need to sink to the level of Islamic State. If it commences the post Isis era by executing little girls, the victory will be pointless. If they are not going to abide by civilized human values, what were they fighting for?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to fight for civilisation ? Surely by definition being drawn into fighting for peace corrupts those who are previously peaceful into being war mongers ... I know that it sounds naive because the Pacifist stance of not resisting aggressors and patiently waiting for the conquerors to have a change of heart is desperately hopeful which is why although I am by temperment deeply slanted that way my reasoning is that the Republican stance of Pacificator makes more sense i.e. that military remedies must be directed by The Judiciary because The Democrats etc conduct warfare for purposes other than restraining aggressors e.g. millions died in various military conflicts in Africa in recent decades but the countries in which this happened were of no economic importance to European or American states so they did not intervene - rather they sold them armaments for profit.

The story above does present however a different issue : women and children are usually the victims of wars despite all of the chivalrous talk of not targeting them directly - but are they indifferent to war or pro-war i.e. how much are women supporters of men's involvement and given the numbers of child soldiers we have heard about what can be done practically with a child armed with a gun ? Women it seemed are excited by men who have guns and wars offer women the prospect of sharing in the spoils if they marry a soldier. If wars are - as I would argue - fought for economic reasons by communities whose young adults want the means to marriage then they are driven by sexuality and women are not innocent victims but pursuing their own interests in supporting them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurdistan, like Catalunya has voted Independence from EU.
I hope Kurdistan will be Liberty and Justice for All.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject: kurdistan Reply with quote

Oh, me too. Up to the other day, the Kurds were the biggest ethnic group with no nation state. And the result of the referendum was 93%, even higher than Catalonia.

If Kurdistan went independent, it would be the only good thing to come out of the blood bath in Mesopotamia. Their culture and language have been suppressed in those states in which they were perennially persecuted minorities.

But let's get real, Moritz! Doesn't the place have oil? According to the Financial Times, Iraq, Iran and Turkey have agreed to bury their differences, and jointly invade Kurdistan.

I hope Kurdistan will be liberty and justice for all but in the way I hope I'm going to Heaven. I'm not holding my breath.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Marianne,

You are rather quiet so maybe you will enjoy a prompt - ?

Elsewhere you are very critical of Muslims yet here you are enthusiastic for Kurds who are undoubtably Muslims and whose independent state might be extremely regressive : how do you draw the line or do you accept Islam as an identity provided that it consists of something like Christianity defined as scoffing yourself at Christmas which is imagined to be about snowmen, tinsel and Santa Claus ... Here is Bertrand Russell - probably the greatest ever Welsh person I think - apparently opining about Islam but much the same might be said about Islam, Judaism, Scientology.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1Id-Y65cg

Bertrand Russell on Neitzsche - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HGDZcifLpdA

Entertaining - " How Hollywood Gets Neitzsche Wrong " -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ti9zdpLlXf0
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: rohinga Reply with quote

I've been quiet because I've been feeling depressed and lacking in energy, but I hope to resume regular posts eventually. Russell was Welsh in a sense as he was born in Wales, but I never think of him as such. He was not a typical Swansea Jack!

He's scorching on Muslims who persuade themselves that right is wrong, not showing much empathy for the experience of having grown up with this cognitive disonance. I have been critical of Islam but have decided to cool it down a bit.

I do hope to see an emergent sovereign Kurdistan although we feel despairing when we think of the difficulties ahead. I do identify with the oppressed.

And if you do that, you must spare a thought for the Rohingya, a Muslim ethnic group, which is being cleared out of Burma in a way that falls somewhere between ethnic cleansing and genocide - if there is more than a semantic difference between the two things.

Perhaps it's not the right time for carping. I don't want to stoke the flames against fellow human beings who are already being stripped of all their human rights.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct attitude ...

Would you care for a visit to cheer you up - i.e. myself and Daf and presumably in his car - or to meet up somewhere e.g. are you not still coming down to Cardiff to see your boys ?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject: do Reply with quote

Do give me warning in advance if you come, on this site please so we won't miss each other. I'll be in Cardiff the week after next but I don't know if that's a good time Maybe I'll come up for the day in the next few weeks. We could meet, perhaps in a public venue. Will Dafydd come as well?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you aware of Dafydd performing somewhere for Halloween.?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject: all hallows Reply with quote

He did mention it. He's going to be the king of Hell, isn't he? I understand it's going to be in Pontypool. I hope it'll be in the daytime so I won't have any problems in seeing it. You know Roger hates using his car.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: from raqqa to kirkuk Reply with quote

I'll phone Dafydd about details of the play he's starring in. To return to the original theme, Syrian forces with the help of the US and others, have taken Raqqa from the forces of Isis. The city finally fell today.

Does that mean that Islamic State has fallen to rise no more? Perhaps before the internet age and mass communication, a military defeat like this would mean the end of the vile excrescence, at least for a generation.

But we expect they will be up to their old tricks in the West and in a variety of other places We're expecting major terrorist attacks in the UK, perhaps within days.

Did Iraqi forces have a hand in the victory? If so, I'm not going to congratulate them.

How many Kurdish civilians are fleeing Kirkuk in advance of Iraqi forces? Is it thousands? Iraq is no more going to sit back and watch Kurdistan go independent than Spain will let Catalonia go without a struggle. We should be supporting the nascent state of Kurdistan.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you know that I am going to share your sentiments about violence but I do not know how to stop it other than to refuse to participate in it - it drives " The Wheel of The World " backwards through re-action into counter-revolution ... Personally I think that War is probably diven by Sex and thus it is linked to and indeed starts with violence against women and children - and when we witness the destruction of a city reducing it to rubble how could we think otherwise. ... It astounds me that some 2% or so of those caught up in chronic violence remain committed to Pacifist views - but it also astounds me that women are vicariously excited by such violence when they are typically potentially victims of it themselves : are women really in a competition with each other that they are excited by their proxies in men murdering other women and their children ?
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