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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Kazida Reply with quote

marianneh wrote:
Kazida Sultana wasn't driven to extremism because she was floundering economically. Far from it. She was a straight A student.



1) Kazida thought she would be helping to build the ideal Islamic society. But she was disillusioned soon enough. She kept in touch with her family somehow.

2) She said, ''I don't have a good feeling. I feel scared.'' Mindful of what had happened to Samra from Austria, she was too frightened to run away. She was also afraid of being detained and prosecuted in Britain if she did return.

3) Her schoolfriends confirmed that she was killed when a Russian plane bombed a house in Raqqa. Guests on 'Sunday Morning Live' discussed whether we should make it easier for Jihadi brides to come back.

4) After a debriefing programme similar to denazification, she could have become part of an educational programme, explaining to kids why running off to Syria is not a good idea.

5) A liberal imam said it was a crazy thing to do. But the most hostile person was Nick Ferarri.

6) he reluctantly expressed some sympathy, but said he would shed no tears. This was an intelligent girl who could have foreseen what she was doing.

Perhaps he would have felt worse had she been in the class for backward kids. Academic intelligence is not really here or there.

At 16, you don't usually have much experience of the world. You are usually more impressionable than an older person.

You can be very ldealistic. You think you can make a difference.

In your teen age years, you will temporarily lose the instinct for self preservation, or at least it will be weakened. Apparently, there are evolutionary advantages in teenagers being adventurous and strikling out on their own.

Kazida's family were from an Islamic background but they were not especially religious. She became intensely religious as so many young people do when they are searching, often futiley, for an identity. Sometimes, when a person who wasn't religious before, becomes very religious, it is a manifestation of an emotional breakdown.

I don't think this is widely enough known. it's not something to see in a positive light unless it is an improvement on their last addiction.

1) Disillusioned? What did she think ISIL is there for? It says "Greater Saudi Arabia" on the tin I hate ISIL more than the Blairites, Cameronians, Watsonites all rolled into one (because they already are rolled into one) but one virtue that ISIL has compared to their Watsonite sub-branch is honesty.

2) She wasn't paying attention. On the Anna Nevilla thread we debated what the Law should be versus what the Law is. EU is super-doper surprised that people go to Syria, commit, murder, rape, slavery, treason and tyranny and then they come to Britain and commit more murder rape etc. Your collectee Theresa May also is super-doper surprised, but she remains committed to the European ideal, that traitors and tyrants must NEVAH be punished.

3) If UK ever leaves EU, and if ever UK makes a new Law that murdering people continues to be a crime EVEN if you are only murdering Syrians, then and only then, there would be would be a point to letting terrorists come here. Your collectee May has not and will not remove the welcome mat we leave out for terrorists.

4) I read on the Interweb that Denmark's denazification program does indeed make SOME terrorists stop terrorizing. As you know, I cannot believe it, but the statistics appear excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:22 pm    Post subject: anjem Reply with quote

As you know, in the name of balance, British TV invites the most odious characters on to discussion shows, even those who wanted to kill Salman Rushdie, as if they had a reasonable point. One of the hairy buggers often seen on studio couches, both here and in the US, was Anjem Choudary, one of Bangor University's most embarrassing alumni.

He was in favour of turning the UK into an Islamic State with compulsory beards and burqas, stoning, amputations, public flagellation, the whole bag of tricks. He is probably the only person who left Jeremy Paxman lost for words.

Roger said ''He's a completer idiot. Nice beard though.'' The neo-con Douglas Murray who is outspoken in his disapproval of Islam, used to appear on these shows with him. I have more to say about the details under 'Ohhh Rowan!' in the Propaganda file.

At one time, I think Douglas Murray had the idea that Choudary had to be opposed, but should not be stopped from appearing on these shows. Murray may have had a change of heart after challenging an Islamist whom he called a 'loony' to his face on 'Sunday Morning Live.'

Murray challenged him to put his money where his mouth was, and go out to Islamic State himself, never dreaming that he would do it. He thought he was all talk and trousers.

But then he did go. Douglas Murray had some soul searching to do. He wasn't interested in this individual's welfare. But it had to be a matter of concern that he had taken his wife and pre-school age children with him.

Douglas Murray began to think that, far from being given the oxygen of publicity on TV shows, Anjem Choudary should be locked up. He had created 'Islam4UK' and indirectly provoked the creation of the EDL.

He had praised the murderers of Lee Rigby whom he had done much to radicalise.He had insulted the memory of the deceased soldier, and he had hailed the 9/11 hijackers as the magnificent nineteen.

I had been wondering myself how Anjem Choudary managed to keep out of jail. His luck ran out today.

He has been convicted of inciting terrorism. It may never be known how many people he radicalised and sent out to ISIL to kill and be killed.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:28 pm    Post subject: nazi Reply with quote

Denazification is it. As of December 2015, Isis has issued a fatwa that all disabled children should be killed. It is also enforcing it.

This is one time when I agree that there is no obvious precedent in Islam. If someone knows better, please tell me.

The precedent in Nazism is obvious. I am sorry to say some awful human being called Michelle stated on a message board underneath this news that she hated Islam but did agree with them about this.

Disabled kids were a financial burden on society. Only guilt ridden parents and 'lefty morons' would disagree.

Someone underneath said in a considering way, 'Michelle, I tend to agree with you', and then had an intellectual discussion on whether these babies should be smothered or given a lethal injection.

A mother then said her son had been diagnosed with autism and she had been given to understand there was no point in his existence. He now had a Phd. She called then 'hard faced morons.'

The second person said condescendingly that that was different. Her son was only autistic, not physically deformed.

Yes, people in the West do still hold these views, and think they are perfectly reasonable. For me, it was like being a Jew reading a Nazi manual.

I have a few other sites in which I discuss the subject of disability prejudice, and I don't think it's necessary to discuss it at length on this thread.

I was going to say it's a new low for ISIL, but not a surprise. I wouldn't put anything past them.

And now I know we shouldn't put it past certain ladies of the shires in twin sets and pearls who despise lefties as 'morons' because they don't support the Nazi T4 programme.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:17 am    Post subject: babanod Reply with quote

On reflection, if Ursula Presgrave was guilty of a hate crime, so are Reichsfuhrerin Michelle and her Arbeitsmadchen. I trust their ignorant and disgusting words will be deleted.

This is especially bad news for the conjoined twins Moaz and Nawers who have just been born in ISIL occupied Syria. They are joined at the chest, but what is more relevant to their chances of survival, their intestines are protruding.

There's no functional hospital in the area, no hope of life saving surgery. Their father says they need to be taken out of the occupied zone immediately. They sure as hell do, and not just for that reason.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:09 am    Post subject: hostage crisis Reply with quote

The present Nigerian government has broken sharply with Goodluck Jonathan's denialist attitude to the Christian Chibok schoolgirls. They are even thinking of giving in to Boko Haram's demands ie that their imprisoned comrades be released.

Parents have been marching in Abuja with the slogans, 'Mr President, how long shall we cry?' and 'Would you be silent if your daughter went missing for two years?' The government is about to agree to a hostage exchange as it were.

A new video shows the glum girls in drab grey abayas. A masked gunman allowed an obviously frightened girl to speak.

She made a prepared speech in Hausa, ''Oh you, my people, and our parents, you just have to please come to our rescue. We are suffering here; the aircraft have come to bombard us and have killed many of us. We are really suffering; there is no food to eat, no good water to drink anywhere.''

The commander then said, ''We don't want to do anything with these girls. [Ha!] Our demands remain the same. We want the government to release our fighters who have been in detention for ages; otherwise, we will never release these girls.''

Margaret Thatcher would never have bargained over hostages. She was like the lioness who would not fight over offal with a hyena. How wonderful that made Terry Waite and John McCarthy feel!

To seriously consider giving in to hostages' demands rather than just pretend to do so, is a reckless departure and it looks quite irresponsible. It's obviously giving Boko Haram the message that terrorism can win.

Should the government give in to Boko Haram's demands? In these exceptional circumstances, yes.

They have a responsibility to protect their citizens, especially in this case when they are defenceless minors. Of course, the worst has already happened.

These Christian schoolgirls have already been exposed to sexual depravity and exploitation. They've already been subjected to Islamist brain washing, forced to wear veils and change their names -say- from Mary to Maryam.

They've been robbed of their identities. They've seen horrible sights; they've long been expelled from the protected 'garden of childhood.' But that's not a reason to let this go on any longer.

As long as they are alive, their parents want them back in 'any state.' They may never be able to recover psychologically. But at least their slavery won't be a present reality. Parents have recognised their own children in the video.

So we can be sure it's authentic. It's not as if it was a cruel hoax in the sense that Boko Haram has been using actresses after the real schoolgirls were dead.

But giving in to Boko Haram should not set a precedent. Far from it. Once there are no innocent hostages, the gloves should come off.

The Nigerian military should pulverise Boko Haram, leaving it only a memory. If they don't have the resources and fighters to do it single handedly, let them have foreign reinforcements.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:44 am    Post subject: anjem gagged Reply with quote

A site called Foreign Policy is pained that Anjem Choudary has been caged not for what he did but for what he said. This is ridiculous.

He may or may not have literally incited the murder of Lee Rigby, but he did participate in radicalising the murderers. He has stirred up impressionable people to go out to Isis and take part in barbaric crimes.

It's not to his credit that he has more sense than to go out there himself but preferred sitting in a comfy studio. Asked on Hard Talk if he condoned the 7/7 explosions on the underground and the London bus which had taken out innocent people on the way to work, he redefined the meaning of the word 'innocent'.

According to him, only Muslims are innocent. Infidel commuters, by inference, were legitimate targets. Even on his own premises, his argument was full of holes. I remember seeing a picture of a very pretty young Muslim woman who lost her life on 7/7. Her very name was Ms Islam!

Apparently, Choudary once practised as a solicitor. It may be that his legal training helped to keep him out of jail for so long. He knew how to express himself in words that were not actionable. But he slipped up in the end.

It's also the case that he came over as such a clown that the unimpressed found it hard to believe that anyone would take him seriously. But Idi Amin, Emperor Bokassa and amusing little Adolf were clownish characters, and so is Donald Trump.

It doesn't make a person less dangerous. A certain kind of audience is attracted to their nonsense. Douglas Murray has often been Choudary's sparring partner, and he's not laughing.

He was once invited to a debate, and found he'd walked into an ambush. Some of Choudary's goonish hitmen were waiting for him. Murray says that we should lock Choudary up, and throw away the key.

The only snag is that he might be just as dangerous in prison as on the street. Belmarsh Prison, for instance, is said to be a university of terrorism as it is.

One source, which may not be reliable, tells us that Anjem Choudary will have to be kept in solitary for his entire stay. This would normally be very cruel, as isolation will dismantle your personality over time. But it's an absolute requirement in this case.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not to his credit that he has more sense than to go out there himself but preferred sitting in a comfy studio.


I refer the riht honourabl lady to the Aberfan thread: Snowdon was good at doing next day stuff, Brenda was good at doing next week stuff = efficient use of resources. Choudray was very good as a recruiting sergeant. It would be very nice if terrorists were stupid and inefficient. I aint holding my breadth.

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Murray says that we should lock Choudary up, and throw away the key.

No we should hang Choudray and KEEP the rope because there are other terrorists like Salafi Smith the God Emperor of Blairism
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:15 am    Post subject: A U turn in Turkey? Reply with quote

We'll never have enough ropes, and some of the perpetrators would be below the age of criminal responsibility by our standards, although not in the eyes of Isis itself. We hear of Isis using brainwashed children, 'cubs of the caliphate' as suicide bombers.

They've also used vulnerable adults such as those with Down's Syndrome as suicide bombers, thus killing two birds with one stone as this also achieves their Aktion T4 programme. As the suicide bombers are, by definition, dead, we would have to look for the evil buggers who put them up to it.

We've heard contradictory reports about the suicide bomber who blew up a Kurdish wedding party in southern Turkey. At first, it was said that he was a boy between twelve and fourteen. Now, news sources say he may have been grown up. In any case, a high percentage of the victims were under fourteen.


This is the ostensible reason for Erdogan sending troops into Syria to 'cleanse' it of Isis forces. Is Saul also among the prophets? What is he up to? He was best buddies with Isis last week!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:32 am    Post subject: oz Reply with quote

And then there are the lone wolves who are sure to catch you coming or going.
A French national has just stabbed two British tourists and a dog at an Australian resort, shouting ''Allahu akbar!''.

The 30 year old British man is alive but injured as of this typing. The 21 year old British woman is dead. She was called Mia Ayliffe-Chung and had a bit of an Oriental appearance. Maybe the assassin took her for a Buddhist, not even a person of the Book, but someone worthy of instant death.

Investigators are probing the theory that the terrorist had a Muslim background. it seems quite likely from the semantic evidence. It would be interesting to know if the deceased dog was black.

In Mohammed's recorded view, all dogs are unclean but black dogs should be killed on sight!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:38 pm    Post subject: coe Reply with quote

Michael Coe, a British convert to Islam and a former bodyguard of Anjem Choudary, has been convicted of assaulting a 16 year old schoolboy in the street. Coe was incensed to see the boy publicly showing affection for his girlfriend, a kid of the same age.

After demanding to know if the couple were Muslims, Coe called the girl a whore. He then picked the boy up and threw him against a wall, knocking him unconscious. Choudary too gets upset about boys and girls holding hands.

He thinks the whole of western culture is corrupt and decadent. He is disgusted by the amount of bare flesh on display. He thinks we are all addicted to pornography. He also thinks that western secular and Christian society is vile, promoting, as it does, rape and paedophilia.

To offset this, he declaimed that when Britain becomes an Islamic theocracy, in -say- ten or fifteen years time, the queen, like all other women will have to be covered in a burqa with only her face and hands showing. Of course, she will then be 105. Gerontophiles won't be able to control themselves in her presence, otherwise.

No doubt, the best way to avoid this porn obsessed culture is to take off for Islamic State where we see videos of devout Muslims slavering, ''Where's my Yazidi girl?'' Of course, rape can't occur in that virtuous land. And no one has ever associated Allah's messenger with paedophilia.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:15 pm    Post subject: Khalid Kelly Reply with quote

Terry Kelly was born in the Liberties in Dublin. Like many Irish people, he worked as a nurse in Saudi Arabia. He kept an illegal still of whiskey or some such beverage for expats.

He was busted and spent about eight months in jail. Here he was converted to Islam by another inmate. It was the most numinous and memorable moment of his life when the other prisoner gave him a koran wrapped up in newspaper as he had no wrapping paper.

He says he was converted for intellectual reasons. Islam was so logical.

He also says he didn't know what love meant before he found Islam. As soon as he became a Muslim, he was flooded with a wave of compassion and sympathy.

He also felt scorn for Irish people who go straight from Mass to the pub for a guiness. He calls them hypocrites.

Don't waste your breath arguing that Christians, except some extreme Protestants, don't think it is a sin to drink in moderation. He denies that Jesus ever drank wine. The Gospels claim that he did only because they have become corrupted.

Terry Kelly now prefers to be called Khalid Kellly. In 2003, he appeared on The Late Late Show with Anjem Choudary. Choudary had not converted Kelly himself, but he pulled out all the stops to prevent him from reverting to his pre-Islamic self.

Kelly demonstrated his compassion and sympathy by winding up the Irish audience, mainly by justifying the events of September 11. As Ireland is a small country where nearly everyone has a relative in New York - and it was less than two years after the event - you can imagine how this went down.

Since then Khalid Kelly has justified the beheading of aid workers and has said he would like to kill certain named individuals. He has had trouble with law enforcement agencies in various countries, but is at large now.

It looks as if Anjem Choudary will not be in solitary confinement after all. Instead he will be the first terrorism advocate to be housed in a 'prison within a prison' at Durham Jail. The only inmates in this state of the art unit will be terrorists and pro-terrorism demagogues.

What a great home office initiative! It's daring; it's innovative; is it entirely wise?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:22 pm    Post subject: Oh, of course! Reply with quote

I've just spoken to a friend who was in the imagined Kurdistan twenty years ago. He expressed the belief that Erdogan was going into Islamic State with tanks not to 'cleanse' it of Isis but to sort out the PKK.

According to him, Erdogan has just been itching for an excuse to crush the Iraqi Kurds. Rather ironically, the opportunity that presented itself, was an Islamist attack on a wedding party where the guests and therefore the victims were Turkish Kurds.

Yet it makes perfect sense. The Kurds were gassed by Saddam Hussein. Those who were still alive were encouraged in their uprising by Bush Senior. The US and its satellite states then left them in the lurch.

Now they are being victimised and,in fact, exterminated by Islamic State - at least if they are also Yazidis. This is all they need, a double whammy from Erdogan!

I blame Winston's folly. Churchill has a lot to answer for!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used to whinge that you would never say "Dafydd said this" you always had to recite the entire Megilla, "Dafydd ap Geler ap Dafydd ap Thomas ap Dafydd ap Thomas said this"

And now I'm downgraded to "a friend said this". Have you never heard of Baby Bear?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Baby Bear Reply with quote

I meant my friend Ian Holmes. I don't believe you've met. Who's Baby Bear?
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Daddy Bear's porridge was TOOOO cold, Mummy Bear's porridge was TOOOO hot and Baby Bear's was just right.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuesday's Independent I page 12

"Pentagon seems genuinely surprised that Turkey's recent incursion into Syria" is all about genociding Kurds.

God's blood, the Pentagon is retarded. Everyone knows which side Erdogan is on, everyone except the US of A.[/b]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuesday's Independent I page 12

"Pentagon seems genuinely surprised that Turkey's recent incursion into Syria" is all about genociding Kurds.

God's blood, the Pentagon is retarded. Everyone knows which side Erdogan is on, everyone except the US of A.[/b]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:25 pm    Post subject: war Reply with quote

War is nature's way of teaching Americans geography. We can't expect too much even of the Pentagon.

No radio broadcasts are allowed to be made in Kurdish. It's worse than with Welsh or Breton for linguistic oppression in daily life. During the first Gulf War, we thought Saddam Hussein was going to have a second round of exterminating the Kurds.

I must have had some money then because I was thinking of giving some to Oxfam for the Kurds. After making a small contribution to a local appeal, I was given a badge with the overblown and undeserved legend, 'I'm Saving the Kurds.'

I thought maybe I should make a sizeable contribution. When I said I was afraid it would fall into the thieving hands of Saddam Hussein, Dafydd said, ''No, it'll fall into the thieving hands of Jeffery Archer.'' He had been put in charge of collecting and distributing the funds.

After the Kurds had taken Bush Senior's hint to rise up against their oppressors, and then been betrayed by the West, I remember seeing a Kurdish woman lamenting the betrayal on a mountain where they had taken refuge.

Crying hysterically, she managed to say in perfect English, ''We are human like you.'' Yes, they are.

But that is not how Erdogan sees it. Let's be frank. He was exterminating Kurds on his side of the border before he made an excuse to go into ISIS held territory.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:39 am    Post subject: Heshu Reply with quote

I'll give you an understandable if insufficient reason why we don't care enough about the genocide of the Kurds. The Yones family, Iraqi Kurds, came to the UK in 1991. They were refugees from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein.

Heshu Yones attended the William Morris Academy in West London. She repeatedly expressed fears to the teachers that she would be forced into an arranged marriage. They didn't take her seriously.

The teachers noticed that she was petrified as opposed to a bit nervous about going home with a poor school report. What they didn't realize was that she was even more terrified that her father or brother would find out about her boyfriend Nazim.

They had the bright idea that her schoolwork was suffering because of the influence of her boyfriend. They made the fatal decision to share their concerns with her father. Only her friends knew that she was always covered in bruises as it was - and they were not love bites but the imprint of regular parental violence.

Heshu ran away from home but was tracked down. Her parents took her on holiday to Pakistan. She made a video saying, ''I hate it here.''

The reason for the 'holiday' was to force her to marry her cousin. But then she 'failed' a virginity test.

Her father said, ''I can't give her away now'' as he held a gun to her head. Her mother and brother wrested it away.

Back in the UK, Heshu's father heroically worked in the offices of an organisation which supported independence for Kurdistan. Some anonymous person wrote to him at these premises to inform him that Heshu was 'behaving like a prostitute.'

Heshu's brother found her diary in which she recounted plans to run away again. To prevent this, her father locked her in her room.

She phoned a friend on the mobile to say she feared for her life. The friend then heard her father bursting in yelling.

Shortly afterwards he, Abdullah Yones, cut his own throat and jumped from the balcony. The police found Heshu's body with seventeen stab wounds.

She had fought for her life. Some of them were defence wounds.

Abdullah survived. He told the police that Al Qaeda had tried to kill them both.

When the police picked holes in that story, he changed the narrative. Heshu had committed suicide. He had tried to follow suit out of grief.

The local Kurdish community raised £125,000 in bail, threatened prosecution witnesses, and hatched a plan to smuggle Abdullah out of the country.

He should have been treated with condign severity. Instead the judge showed leniency because he was 'aware' of 'cultural sensitivities.' We found out in the course of the trial that this sort of behaviour had been legal in Iraqi Kurdistan until the previous year!

It is easy to come out with a knee jerk reaction, 'Nuke the lot of them', but this would be neither fair or sensible. It's hard to see what Al Qaeda or Saddam Hussein could have done to Heshu Yones that would have been worse than what her father had in store for her.

Young Kurds need all the more support because their parents can be just as much a source of deadly violence as can their avowed enemies. In this country, it is Kurds and Pakistanis who are most at risk from honour killings.

Adana from Siirt said, ' Honour surpasses everything, especially among us Kurdish people or people from the east; the concept of honour is at the foreground.'

Note that whatever honour means, it has nothing to do with personal integrity, nobility or courage. Abdullah Yones and his supporters were utterly bereft of these qualities.
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