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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: The Republic in the Moon & other places Reply with quote

" The Republic in the Moon & other places " seems to be sheer lunacy in terms of the way in which most people interpret " Republicanism " to be strictly about " The People " and what their imaginations can encompass - but : if you understand the " Res Publica " to pertain to all things and to be not anthropocentric, to be truly cosmically oriented and that in being " Citzens of the World " we are existing in relationship to the whole cosmos, not just this planet, then it becomes obvious that as " Cosmopolitians " we should be thinking about the business of the Republic in the Moon. Certainly whilst we are not thinking about it, despite the fact that most of us are assuming that the moon is to be held beyond private ownership, beyond ownership at all, the corporations are already planning how to divide it up as real estate. Indeed whilst they are planning the division of their imagined real estates on various planets the are actually already selling off the stars, reckoning presumeably that there is an endless supply of them to sell to the gullible which surely tells you what a delusional thing private property really is.

http://www.buyastar.co.uk/?gclid=CJuuvaG9hL4CFXMRtAodpzkAJg

http://www.giftrepublic.com/Product.aspx?ProdID=STARPERSONALISEIT

This week there has been the following programme on BBC Radio 4 which touches upon this subject, it might be around for a while yet - but in case it disappears, it appears to only have four days to run as a podcast, here is its description :

" SAVE THE MOON "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0418kft

Professor Chris Riley speaks to space lawyers, scientists and commercial spaceflight entrepreneurs and argues that we need to act now to preserve the Moon for all mankind. ... There is a new race to the Moon. Companies around the world are competing to get there first and anyone with enough cash can book their place on a lunar break. Alongside tourism, there are commercial interests. The Moon contains valuable rare minerals as well as a potential source of fuel. ... The Moon is under threat. It is supposed to belong to all of us yet thousands of people have already bought lunar plots. One former astronaut believes he can legally claim ownership of a piece of lunar soil.

( THIS WAS BBC RADIO 4's DOCUMENTARY OF THE WEEK )

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http://goldenspikecompany.com/

http://www.space.com/18805-golden-spike-private-moon-landing-graphic.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Spike_Company

( My reaction to this is that what they are going to offer is essentially an ego trip for those who have acquired the opportunity for ostentatious displays of wealth : why would a middle aged only modestly intelligent man or woman want to go otherwise ? Hey - shall we give ten million people a means to cook a meal - or burn up all that rare and precious fossil fuel instead by putting one man on the moon to play golf in order to impress his friends ? )

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/gares/html/gares_34_0068.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Treaty

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/moon.html

Comment in the documentary is that these are basically toothless ' gentlemen's agreements ' and that new space-nations have not signed up to them and nor are they likely to either. This is going to be the sort of flag of convenience situation where rogue corporations pick and choose which nationality they want to be to pay taxes in etc Given the potential mineral resources on the moon, some people think that it is potentially, perhaps literally, a gold-rush situation with people fighting it out over their claims.

It seems that the basis of such claims might be the purchasing of existing equipment left lying around the moon's surface by the earliest expeditions by the Americans and Russians. Although there are self-denying treaties by governments that no state will attempt to lay claim to the territories of the moon or other planets, there are no treaties banning corporations or even individuals from doing so : this is more or less the same way that the European empires worked upon encouraging private enterprise by greed in the 18c - 19c, as in places like Rhodesia or the Congo with their violent consequent legacies generations later in wars and civil disorders. Pity now then the poor Martians, Venutians and Moon buggies ... on the other hand if you can not actually get to such places how can you own them ? Surely you are just being conned out of your money if you pay for such title deeds ! The basic principle being applied to these equipment based claims is " USE IT OR LOSE IT ! " which would also be a sound principle to apply to property ownership here in Wales : all property belongs to society and is held in fee from The People who in return defend it militarily, which is our collective claim to own all property in common and only to licence its use to individuals who are thus held to be dependent economically upon the rest of society.

Those individuals or companies who abuse or neglect what they have been licenced to use then forfeit their claim to that property which can then can then be legitimately reclaimed by the rest of the community and re-assigned to those willing to use it responsibly. This way of distributing property underlay the early medieval Welsh political system where in exchange for exercising his responsibilities to defend the land a young man completing his service to his commote would be awarded enough land within it to support himself as a farmer-warrior and to provide for his wife. This society having been placed under so many pressures, it was vital not to be internally divided over disputes over the main source of wealth in land which was its main resource to defend itself and thus the medieval Welsh were notable for the sophistication of their legal system which transcended over the boundaries between potentially disputed territories, the shifting loyalties of individuals in these medieval principalities being subject to the rule of this uniquely cosmopolitan judicial system which could offer to resolve disputes between foreigners who consented to have their cases held by Welsh judges.

There was, note, no possibility of being an absent property owner in medieval Wales because the possession of property came with all sorts of rights and duties which bound people into their communities and demanded either their presence to perform their duties or the loss of all of their rights in their absence - there was no such thing as " property rights " in the way in which we conceive of them now, because the present idea of property is derived from the Norman Conquest in which the model brought into Wales was created by the Domesday Book in England. It was this which reduced those who had survived the Monarchic, Aristocratic and Hierarchic onslaught there to the status of farm animals, to being merely property held enslaved upon their own English Land, bought and sold and worked and starved as livestock to be slaughtered in wars in France. The lucky ones got to be in the Norman armies invading Wales, which for the average English peasant was like visiting an alien planet where the people kept on being very nice to them. This really upset the Norman French : they would charge in and the sneaky Welsh would run away and hide to begin with and then when the feudal barons foolishly assumed that the Welsh were properly conquered and regularly being stamped on by their English employees - they would find that the Welsh had sneakily re-appeared and both nationalities were stamping out a tune and getting pissed - and encouraging the Flemings to join in ! Out of this world - but true ! - and it was very difficult to impose a feudal property system upon.

Hence the Cosmopolitan medieval Welsh legal system could so easily be adapted to these prospective disputes between Cosmonauts ... er ... what is the medieval Welsh for ' Cosmo-naut ' and ' Astro-naut ' anyway ? [ http://www.geiriaduracademi.org/ - " cosmonawt " - " astronawt " - ? Ugh. ] [ Daf suggests - by analogy to ' sailor ' = ' morwr ' i.e. ' sea-man ' - cosmonaut = ' cosmoswr ' - astro-naut = ' sêrwr / sêrenwr ' - ugh. ] [ Ugh ... well ' Cosmopolitanism = Cosmopolitaniaeth ' so ... um ... cosmos ... cosmig ... ' cosmigwr ' - ? ... what I am thinking about is that these are all " thing+man " constructions which might make better sense if the man was inside the thing e.g. " rocedwr " or " llongofodwr " or " bygiofodwr " ... no ... what I want is the sense of ' navigation ' ... a bit like ' llywio ' ... ugh. ]

Feudalism was driven by economics not chivalry, the drive to acquire control of profitable property which yielded an income to pay off the bankers sponsoring the wars of conquest. The same thing will drive the conquest to the moon, albeit there will be a few people wanting to ostentatiously play golf whilst they are doing it and probably the first thing that will happen up there will be an artificial golf course for those with lousy handicaps ... incidental to the construction of it will be the extraction of rare elements and minerals for the manufacture of state of the art golf clubs ... but at what point will somebody recognise the rights of moon rocks and begin to argue for the right for life to exist on the moon, even if - as yet - it does not actually exist ( through no fault of its own ) - but if it could exist, what rights ought we to plan for it to have ? After all, anything is possible and we might actually find some rare form of life on the moon : what are we going to do then ? Inevitably it will be very fragile, so surely as constituent parts of the cosmos with it we have a responsibility to all other forms of life - especially those otherwise without any natural defences - to protect them and ensure their continued existence, unless they are particularly tasty ... but really, how can we envisage ' The Republic in the Moon ' and how could an actual " Republic of the Moon " be remotely set up - before anybody ever claims any property there, let alone goes to visit it or actually lives there ?

A recent creative questioning sort of approach - http://www.republicmoon.org/

http://www.artscatalyst.org/projects/detail/manifesto/

Republic of the Moon is a touring exhibition, commissioned by The Arts Catalyst with FACT. The first version of the exhibition was presented at FACT Liverpool in winter 2012. ... Manifesto for a Republic of the Moon ... Introductory essay and edited by curator, Rob La Frenais with contributions from the exhibiting artists - Agnes Meyer-Brandis, Leonid Tishkov, Liliane Lijn, Katie Paterson, WE COLONISED THE MOON, Joanna Griffin and additional material from Tony White, Andy Gracie, Dr Ian Crawford and from the Whole Earth Catalog. ... To be published on 9 January 2014 ( ISBN 9 780992 777609 ) Exhibition price £3. Also available for free download. It has the identical content as the printed version of this publication.

http://www.artscatalyst.org/images/uploads/files/Manifesto_for_a_Republic_of_the_Moon.pdf

MANIFESTO FOR A REPUBLIC OF THE MOON - Rob La Frenais

" ... to respond to the diversity and political and social changes that have happened since? Can artists imagine what it would be like to live on the Moon ? ... In a provocative pre-emption of the future, a group of artists have already declared in this exhibition a Republic of the Moon, here on Earth, with diverse objectives. They range from Liliane Lijn's desire to project the word ‘SHE’ on the Moon, to Agnes Meyer-Brandis breeding and training a new type of astronaut moon goose. Moon Vehicle activates the reactions of school children to India’s first lunar mission and Russia's Leonid Tishkov carries his own private, personal moon around with him. ... "
WHO OWNS THE MOON ?

" In 1967, two years before the Moon landing, the UN drafted and approved ‘The Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space’, commonly known as the Outer Space
Treaty. ... failure to fully ratify the specific 1979 UN ‘Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies’, agreed upon by only fourteen (non-space-faring) nations in 1984. ... has led people like Dennis Hope of the Galactic Federation to justify selling fake certificates claiming areas of land on the Moon, based on the premise that the Outer Space Treaty only covers the activity of states, not individuals. ... Further complications came from the existing Russian spacecraft
still sitting on the Moon, for example Luna 21 and ... Lunakohd 2. The latter was sold in 1993 at Sotheby's by a Russian association for $68,500 to the internet entrepreneur Richard Garriot, who now claims to own the ground underneath the lander and rover, and by extension, the whole Moon. ... "
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34324443

Who owns outer space ? - by Yasmin Ali

" When space crops up in conversation, ownership does not immediately spring to mind. But as the human race continues to advance in this field, and with commercial space enterprises just around the corner, questions about power politics and their interaction with space exploration must be asked and answered. ... Neil Armstrong famously planted a US flag on the Moon in 1969. This gesture may have implied territorial ownership, but was purely symbolic because of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty. ... It sets out important principles, such as the concept that space should be considered the province of all mankind, that outer space is free for the exploration and use by all states, and that the Moon and other celestial bodies cannot be claimed by a sovereign nation state. Additionally, the Moon and celestial bodies are to be used purely for peaceful purposes, and weapons will not be placed in orbit or in space. ... ( THE REST IS WORTH READING ) ... "

... NOW JUST WATCH THIS INNER PART OF OUTER SPACE ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarisation_of_space

" ... The militarization of space is the placement and development of weaponry and military technology in outer space. The early exploration of space in the mid-20th century had, in part, a military motivation, as the United States and the Soviet Union used it as an opportunity to demonstrate ballistic missile technology and other technologies having the potential for military application. Outer space has since been used as an operating location for military spacecraft such as imaging and communications satellites, and some ballistic missiles pass through outer space during their flight. As yet, however, weapons have not been stationed in space, with the exception of the Almaz space station and small handguns carried by Russian cosmonauts ( for post-landing, pre-recovery use.) ... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz#Defense_measures

" .. The Almaz (Russian: Алмаз, "Diamond") program was a highly secretive Soviet military space station program, begun in the early 1960s. ... In addition to reconnaissance equipment, Almaz was equipped with a unique 23mm Rikhter (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station.[citation needed] This revolver cannon was modified from the tail-gun of the Tu-22 bomber and was capable of a theoretical rate of fire of 1800-2000 (up to 2600) rounds per minute. Each 168 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-D-R ) or 173 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-G-R) projectile flew at a speed of 850 m/s relative to the station. The cannon had a supply of 32 rounds and was tested at the end of the mission, when the station was operating in unmanned mode. To aim the cannon, which was on a fixed mounting, the entire station would be turned to face the threat. ... Salyut 3/OPS-2 conducted a successful remote test firing with the station unmanned due to concerns over excessive vibration and noise. ... OPS-4 was to have featured two rockets instead of the aircraft cannon, but this system has not been shown publicly and may have never been fully manufactured despite it being used experimentally. .. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon

"The lunar outpost is required to develop and protect potential United States interests on the moon; to develop techniques in moon-based surveillance of the earth and space, in communications relay, and in operations on the surface of the moon; to serve as a base for exploration of the moon, for further exploration into space and for military operations on the moon if required; and to support scientific investigations on the moon." - Project Horizon, A U.S. Army Study for the Establishment of a Lunar Military Outpost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunex_Project

" .. Lunex planned to make its first lunar landing and return in 1967, in order to beat the Soviets and demonstrate conclusively that America could win future international competition in technology with the USSR. The Air Force felt that no achievement short of a lunar landing would have the required historical significance. .. After 1968, a Permanently Manned Lunar Expedition was planned. ... "

HOWEVER ... THE US ARMY DID CONSIDER A CHEAPER WAY OF DEMONSTRATING THEIR SUPERIORITY OVER THE USSR ARMY ... NUKING THE MOON ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119

" ... The aim of the project was to detonate a nuclear bomb on the Moon which would help in answering some of the mysteries in planetary astronomy and astrogeology, and had the explosive device not entered into a lunar crater, the flash of explosive light would have been faintly visible to people on earth with their naked eye, a show of force resulting in a possible boosting of domestic morale in the capabilities of the United States, a boost that was needed after the Soviet Union took an early lead in the Space Race and who were also working on a similar project. ... "

... WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE MONARCHY I MEAN THAT THE MODERN MILITARY IS THE EQUIVILENT OF THE MEDIEVAL MILITARY : THEY ARE POLITICALLY INCOMPETENT, AND IN THE 1950s ALL THAT THE INADEQUATE AMERICAN MONARCHY COULD THINK OF DOING TO BEAT THE RUSSIANS IN THE SPACE RACE WAS TO BLOW UP THE MOON BEFORE THEY COULD GET THERE ...

... YOU WILL NOTE THAT SUCH THINGS ARE " ILLEGAL " BUT SUCH LAWS ARE MERELY FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION AND DEEMED NOT TO APPLY TO ULTRAISTS - AND THAT INCLUDES DEMOCRATS ... BUT THE MILITARY IN ANY DEMOCRACY NEVER BELIEVE THAT THE LAWS APPLY TO THEMSELVES - THEY DO NOT EVEN BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF GRAVITY DESPITE WHAT THEIR OWN MILITARY ENGINEERS TRYING TO EXPLAIN BALISTICS TO THEM ...

... EVEN TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT WHEN THEY FELT THAT IT WAS LEGITIMATE TO THROW A WOBBLY - BECAUSE THEY WERE PRESENTLY RUNNING SECOND IN THE 1950s ARMS RACE - AND BLOW UP THE MOON THEY DID NOT CONSIDER THAT THIS WOULD SHOWER FRIEND, FOE AND THEMSELVES AS WELL - WITH THOUSANDS OF TONS OF RADIOACTIVE DEBRIS ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnaeIAEp2pU

... I know ... know ... but that was just one of my lunatrick contributions ... just skip over the next few - OK ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eswGrkMU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfj9qom6_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CR_QpzB1_g
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[ SEE ALSO - http://lunar.xprize.org/ ]

Who Owns the Moon? | Ask Peter | Google Lunar XPRIZE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFb7AzwmvA

- Futurist Peter Diamandis - ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THE CORPORATIONS FOR THEIR TAKING POSSESSION OF THE MOON WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTABILITY ?

IT IS PART OF THIS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuXxBoSYmfc&list=PLFr_CR2naq_GKR51V_l4ECL9iexYlo2-h

Published on Mar 3, 2016

Academy Award®-nominated director Orlando von Einsiedel, Executive Producer J.J. Abrams, Bad Robot and Epic Digital have joined forces with Google and XPRIZE to create a documentary web series about the people competing for the Google Lunar XPRIZE (http://lunar.xprize.org). The Google Lunar XPRIZE is the largest prize competition of all time with a reward of $30 million and aims to incentivize entrepreneurs to create a new era of affordable access to the Moon and beyond, while inspiring the next generation of scientists, engineers, and explorers.

This character-driven, emotional, awe-inspiring series of 9 short films will follow a selection of the teams currently racing to complete their missions. It will explore the lives of their charismatic, quirky members, the sacrifices they have made to get to where they are today, and crucially, what drives them on this incredible journey.

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FROM COMMENTS ( 549 AT THE MO )

Eli Gutman1 week ago

Call me a cliche millennial american ( because i probably am ) but can you create something for those of us who just aren't good with math and science. But can convince 50,000 people a week to vote for bernie sanders those of us who can sell ice to an inuit. But I suck at science it's just what it is, i have no mind for math i constantly add instead of subtract or add negative numbers. See the point now? Is their something for the intellectual class of the SOCIAL sciences to do to help us get off this rock?

Not just mundane crap, but something genuinely helpful. here's an example i can get my state governor to jump on one leg if i want to (CT), if you guys need money come talk to the guys who are the masters of getting money from the government, the grant meisters of new england. Did it not occur to you that we could help? Or is the film itself how you feel you are including us artsy fartsy's just to get us out of the way? It seems like that, sorry... You like every scientist on earth underestimates the power of politics, 97% of you agree humanity is causing climate change and it's only getting worse, yet people like me get hired to point out why we shouldn't listen to science and how to spin it so it doesn't seem like we're "anti-progress".

Unfortunately most people like me exist in extremes, you either help us, or we get our connections at anonymous to bring you down. That's not a threat it's a fact. And I'm personally trying to avoid that, give the vast majority of highly educated american college/university graduates sitting in their parents basements/attics something to think about other than having to wait 10 more years before jobs will begin to open up...

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Enjgine14 hours ago

No Google. Don't do that. Humanity has moved forward with the blur of innovation, not the crawl of politics and the buzz of society. Push people to become dreamers, thinkers, and revolutionaries. Do not adopt this status-quo of trying to fix the world with action. Continue driving us towards innovation and discovery, so that our world will change, and not just morph. Politics will never drive the world forward. It will merely steer the engine of our progress, the sciences, the arts, and the imagination we are each gifted with at birth.

Spend your time changing the future, even if the present does not appreciate it. Inspire us, to better our children. No one else will.

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SigneM-Prut#113 hours ago

+Enjgine You are delusional. Bad leadership, is bad leadership. Good leadership is good leadership. Deutschlands great people under Hitler discovered basically everything we use today, jet engines, concrete, computers (Konrad Zuse in 1936), rocket science (Wernher Van Braun), Atomic bombs and energy (1939 Uranverrein), etc. etc. etc. I'd say bad leadership is the croynismic representative leadership that we got today. Do you think the leaders of the world really want democrazy in the world? China+India or Russia and another medium country is the majority, you'd probably see some vast changes and perhaps "paybacks" for the wars started in Vietnam, Middle East, ending of WW2 etc...

[ DAI - HITLER DISCOVERED ANYTHING ???? ]

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Enjgine13 hours ago (edited)

Eli was asking Google to waste their resources on creating something "for those of us who aren't just good with maths and science". People need to stop wasting their time waiting to be chosen as the gifted one, to be plucked as the person whom the world has awaited for, and need to insert themselves into change.

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Bernhard G.12 hours ago

+Eli Gutman - Well, in everything Google does, they only hire the elite. They do not want "the average person" with average ideas. This is not how Google developed to what it is today. This project is a perfect example for finding the right people in specific disciplines.

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Christina Langner36 minutes ago (edited)

+Eli Gutman - You are were right at saying people are underestimating the power of politics. It is called social engineering; i.e. the social science used to subtly manipulate the broad public to believe certain ideologies, etc. I suppose one can also call it propaganda. But that word is only used during war-times.

And by the way, if there are so many people suffering on earth just to put food on the table, why is it that important for yet other people to go to the moon? And that just as a symbol.

Here are lots of challenge on Earth itself. And very important ones too.

[ DAI DOUBTS THAT ANYONE WOULD WANT TO CONTRIVE TO LIVE ON THE MOON - BUT FOR PROFIT, THEY MIGHT WANT OTHERS TO DO SO ]
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