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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can tell what I was thinking about five months ago ...

Christmas comes but once a year
Elections every five I fear
And each time I write long letters
To those who say they are my betters
About the present which they sent here.

dai repWblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence

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( That was an old rhyme & I came back afterwards to tweak " To those they say are much my betters " to " To those who say they are my betters " ... )

( Actually I fancy tweaking that last line from " About the present which they left here." to " About the present which they sent here." Throwaway stuff ... )

( ... " About the presents which they send here." ... ? ... but then that obscures the ambiguous meaning of ' the present ' ... Oh - just pick the version you like. ... )

( ... Well I am no great orator like Cicero or Thucydides ... )

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For want of a proper place, but in mind of what the Democrats in Wales and The World are doing to us all with a sweet smile upon their faces as they apologise ...

... I will post a proper bit of Classical Republicanism from the man whose book De Res Publica gave Republicanism its name : a warning from Cicero ...

" A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious - but it can not survive treachery from within : an enemy at the gates is less formidable - for he is known and carries his banner openly - but the traitor moves amongst those within the gates freely, his sly whispering rustling through all of the alleyways and heard in the very chambers of government itself.

For the traitor appears not to be treacherous - his ways of speaking are familiar to his victims, as are his appearances and his arguments - but he solicits those weaknesses which lie deep within the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of the nation, working secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of government, infecting the body politic so that it can no longer resist : a murderer is to be less feared than the scourge of a traitor."

MARCUS TULLIUS CICERO - to The Senate - circa 58BC - warning them of the corruption of the Democrats - and thereafter departing into exile.


I litterrated that because I did not like the translations which I was finding e.g. - http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/marcus+tullius+cicero

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Marcus_Tullius_Cicero

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I suppose that I ought to be fairer to the Demockerats and quote Pericles' speech advocating Democracy : having confidently started yet another war the Athenians were losing ... Thucydides admired Pericles but his maxim was " πόλεμος βίαιος διδάσκαλος " - " war is a violent teacher."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles%27_Funeral_Oration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/education/thucydides.html ... ( ORATION PUT INTO THE MOUTH OF PERICLES - BY THUCYDIDES )

" ... I will speak first of our ancestors, for it is right and seemly that now, when we are lamenting the dead, a tribute should be paid to their memory. There has never been a time when they did not inhabit this land, which by their valor they will have handed down from generation to generation, and we have received from them a free state. But if they were worthy of praise, still more were our fathers, who added to their inheritance, and after many a struggle transmitted to us their sons this great empire. And we ourselves assembled here today, who are still most of us in the vigor of life, have carried the work of improvement further, and have richly endowed our city with all things, so that she is sufficient for herself both in peace and war. Of the military exploits by which our various possessions were acquired, or of the energy with which we or our fathers drove back the tide of war, Hellenic or Barbarian, I will not speak; for the tale would be long and is familiar to you. But before I praise the dead, I should like to point out by what principles of action we rose ~ to power, and under what institutions and through what manner of life our empire became great. For I conceive that such thoughts are not unsuited to the occasion, and that this numerous assembly of citizens and strangers may profitably listen to them.

Our form of government does not enter into rivalry with the institutions of others. Our government does not copy our neighbors', but is an example to them. It is true that we are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not of the few. But while there exists equal justice to all and alike in their private disputes, the claim of excellence is also recognized; and when a citizen is in any way distinguished, he is preferred to the public service, not as a matter of privilege, but as the reward of merit. Neither is poverty an obstacle, but a man may benefit his country whatever the obscurity of his condition. There is no exclusiveness in our public life, and in our private business we are not suspicious of one another, nor angry with our neighbor if he does what he likes; we do not put on sour looks at him which, though harmless, are not pleasant. While we are thus unconstrained in our private business, a spirit of reverence pervades our public acts; we are prevented from doing wrong by respect for the authorities and for the laws, having a particular regard to those which are ordained for the protection of the injured as well as those unwritten laws which bring upon the transgressor of them the reprobation of the general sentiment. ...

... Wherefore I do not now pity the parents of the dead who stand here; I would rather comfort them. You know that your dead have passed away amid manifold vicissitudes; and that they may be deemed fortunate who have gained their utmost honor, whether an honorable death like theirs, or an honorable sorrow like yours, and whose share of happiness has been so ordered that the term of their happiness is likewise the term of their life. I know how hard it is to make you feel this, when the good fortune of others will too often remind you of the gladness which once lightened your hearts. And sorrow is felt at the want of those blessings, not which a man never knew, but which were a part of his life before they were taken from him. Some of you are of an age at which they may hope to have other children, and they ought to bear their sorrow better; not only will the children who may hereafter be born make them forget their own lost ones, but the city will be doubly a gainer. She will not be left desolate, and she will be safer. For a man's counsel cannot have equal weight or worth, when he alone has no children to risk in the general danger. To those of you who have passed their prime, I say: "Congratulate yourselves that you have been happy during the greater part of your days; remember that your life of sorrow will not last long, and be comforted by the glory of those who are gone. For the love of honor alone is ever young, and not riches, as some say, but honor is the delight of men when they are old and useless. ... "


[ LET ME JUST TRANSLATE THAT MORE EXACTLY FROM THE ANCIENT GREEK FOR YOU - AND MORE BRIEFLY ]

" Our forefathers from whom we have inherited all of this wealth and property which you have been persuaded to guarantee to us in the name of patriotism ( - i.e. we rich bastards who have enslaved ninety percent of the populace of the city of Athens and demand the blind loyalty of those we praise as ' free men ' but know are poor men utterly dependent upon our favours - ) laid the foundations for our joyful lives not only upon the heaped up corpses of your forefathers but upon the heaped up corpses of those forefathers of so many others for whom we do not give a toss because they are not like us, even if some of them were Greeks - who cares ? ... The important thing to remember right now is that although our enemies are at your gates we are only urging you to go out to defend our more important lives and our mind-bogglingly huge fortunes and not to compare them to your own wretched worthless subsistences nor to consider why you should do so when you have not even eaten this week - and to not grumble about how stupid we were to start this war in the first place ( - after all you were equally stupid in being so greedy that you simply accepted our dodgy dossier and willingly agreed to vote for it, so it is all your faults that we are about to lose everything and you are all about to die : why did you believe us when we lied to you ? )

Democracy is our form of government and therefore we must praise it because it is Athenian, but nobody in their right mind wants to copy it : it is held by others to be an example of a political system in which men are promoted for their ability to lie, deceive, cheat and steal from others and above all to contrive to wage war upon other communities either openly or by forming political parties to subvert the constitution of the state for those ends. Our city is renowned throughout those parts of the world which matter - from Thrace to Crete, from Macedonia to Mycenae - for the skill of its Demagogues, those poor desperate unscrubtlous men possessed of those skills in manipulating others which bring them swiftly into the pay of such as us who need such as these who are most able to do our bidding and we are most definitely in favour of all such meritocrats provided that they are cheap and obedient and, if necessary, expendible. They ensure for us that no laws can be made to constrain our behaviour - other than that all other men should mind their own business, whilst we mind the business of all other men also - especially Socrates !

We few who are ' The Real Athens ' offer no pity to those of you who are so foolish as to believe in this sort of rhetoric : your sons are now dead and therefore of no danger to us, so we will praise them as heroes ... We know that you not only grieve for them but are now confronted by the daunting prospect that you were depending upon them to support you in old age and in order to pay for this war we have scrapped the welfare state - but do not despair : win or lose, whatever happens in this war, your daughters will most likely be raped and ruined and end up working family-friendly hours in our new and improved brothels and will thus be able to pop home at almost any sort of hour during the daytime due to our new and improved zero-hour contractual system, in which the tourists will be issued with loyalty cards for each brothel and will receive one free as soon as they survived ten other opportunities to encounter exotic diseases ... So - be proud to survive ! - and if you are too old and useless or just too poor to visit a brothel - delight in honour : you will be dead soon ! ... "

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I am in the mood to indulge my taste in quotations ( hence the double-entendre in the nick-name given to me on my 21st birthday - " Dai Saw." )

THUCYDIDES

" The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."

" Ignorance is bold, and knowledge is reserved." ... oh ...

" Indeed it is generally the case that men are readier to call rogues clever than simpletons honest, and are ashamed of being the second as they are proud of being the first." ... AHA ...

" ... and their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound prediction; for it is THE habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not desire."

" In a democracy, someone who fails to get elected to office can always console himself with the thought that there was something not quite fair about it." ... bullshit : they are crooks - it is the only way to get elected ...

" Most people, in fact, will not take the trouble in finding out the truth, but are much more inclined to accept the first story they hear." ... SO READ IT HERE FIRST ...

" When will there be justice in Athens? There will be justice in Athens when those who are not injured are as outraged as those who are." ... NO HOPE FOR CARDIFFIANS THEN ...

" Some legislators only wish to vengeance against a particular enemy. Others only look out for themselves. They devote very little time on the consideration of any public issue. They think that no harm will come from their neglect. They act as if it is always the business of somebody else to look after this or that. When this selfish notion is entertained by all, the commonwealth slowly begins to decay. " ... SEE ? NOTHING CHANGES ...

" In general, the men of lower intelligence won out. Afraid of their own shortcomings and of the intelligence of their opponents, so that they would not lose out in reasoned argument or be taken by surprise by their quick-witted opponents, they boldly moved into action. Their enemies,on the contrary, contemptuous and confident in their ability to anticipate, thought there was no need to take by action what they could win by their brains." ... NO ... I AM JUST BEING REASONABLE AND THEY ARE BEING BASTARDS ... OK ... PERHAPS THAT IS FOOLISH - BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN AT LEAST KEEP OUR SELF RESPECT.

" War is a matter not so much of arms as of money." - HENCE THOSE WHO TRY TO INSIST UPON PAYING FOR PEACE NOT WAR END UP IN JAIL ...

" Peace is an armistice in a war that is continuously going on." - ONLY FOR DEMOCRATS WHO THINK IN TERMS OF " WEAPONISING " POLITICS.

" a collision at sea will ruin your entire day " - IF IT IS AN OIL TANKER WHICH IS INVOLVED AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE NAMES AT LLOYDS ...

" It is useless to attack a man who could not be controlled even if conquered, while failure would leave us in an even worse position." ... TAKE NOTE ...

" Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal supporter; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question incapacity to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness; cautious plotting a justifiable means of self-defense. The advocate of extreme measures was always trustworthy; his opponent a man to be suspected. To succeed in a plot was to have a shrewd head, to divine a plot a still shrewder; but to try to provide against having to do either was to break up your party and to be afraid of your adversaries. In short, to forestall an intending criminal, or to suggest the idea of a crime where it was lacking was equally commended, until even blood became a weaker tie than party, from the superior readiness of those united by the latter to dare everything without reserve; for such associations sought not the blessings derivable from established institutions but were formed by ambition to overthrow them; and the confidence of their members in each other rested less on any religious sanction than upon complicity in crime."


CICERO

" Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:
Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others;
Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected;
Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it;
Refusing to set aside trivial preferences;
Neglecting development and refinement of the mind;
Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do." ... GOOD ADVICE ...

" Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book." ... OH SHIT ...

" Friendship improves happiness, and abates misery, by doubling our joys, and dividing our grief." ... BULLSHIT ... my misery shared is my misery doubled ... well, that is what my friends keep telling me ...

" In times of war, the law falls silent." - YES YES YES AND YES AGAIN : WAR IS NOTHING BUT THE LICENSING OF CRIMINALITY - " Endless money forms the sinews of war." ... " I prefer the most unfair peace to the most righteous war." ...

" Read at every wait; read at all hours; read within leisure; read in times of labor; read as one goes in; read as one goes out. The task of the educated mind is simply put: read to lead." ... NA ... " WRITE TO RIGHT ! "

" Not for ourselves alone are we born." ... " The life given us, by nature is short ; but the memory of a well-spent life is eternal." ... " The life of the dead is set in the memory of the living." ... " Life is nothing without friendship." ... “A happy life consists in tranquility of mind.”

" We must not say every mistake is a foolish one." ... " I criticize by creation, not by finding fault." ... " To study philosophy is to do nothing but to prepare one’s self to die." ... " It is not by muscle, speed, or physical dexterity that great things are achieved, but by reflection, force of character, and judgment." ... " It is foolish to tear one’s hair in grief, as though sorrow would be made less by baldness." ... " Men decide far more problems by hate, love, lust, rage, sorrow, joy, hope, fear, illusion or some other inward emotion, than by reality, authority, any legal standard, judicial precedent, or statute."

" Politicians are not born; they are excreted."

" God's law is 'right reason.' When perfectly understood it is called 'wisdom.' When applied by government in regulating human relations it is called 'justice." ... " Freedom is participation in power." ... " Law applied to its extreme is the greatest injustice " ... " The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil." ... " Knowledge which is divorced from justice may be called cunning rather than wisdom." ... " We must not only obtain Wisdom: we must enjoy her."

" Where is there dignity unless there is honesty ? " ... " Our span of life is brief, but is long enough for us to live well and honestly." ... " Ability without honor is useless." ... " Live as brave men; and if fortune is adverse, front its blows with brave hearts." ... " Nothing stands out so conspicuously, or remains so firmly fixed in the memory, as something in which you have blundered." ... " Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself." ... " There is nothing so absurd but some philosopher has said it." ... " Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error." ... " Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature." ... " He talks like he's living in Plato's Republic, not Romulus' cess-pool."

" We are bound by the law, so that we may be free."

" In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." ... " In this statement, my Scipio, I build on your own admirable definition, that there can be no community, properly so called, unless it be regulated by a combination of rights. And by this definition it appears that a multitude of men may be just as tyrannical as a single despot and indeed this is the most odious of all tyrannies, since no monster can be more barbarous than the mob, which assumes the name and mask of the people." ... " The welfare of the people is the highest law." ... " They who say that we should love our fellow-citizens but not foreigners, destroy the universal brotherhood of mankind, with which benevolence and justice would perish forever."

" A library and a garden is all man needs." ... YEAH - YOU HAD A LOAD OF SLAVES TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU ... my library resembles my garden ... both are a mess ...
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my problems with elections_
To THE expert for dai-sections_
" LIMP you say - devoid of issues ?_
They just ... lie there on - all tissues ?_
Have you ... considered ... insurrections ? "

" Whoah ! " I said " That's rather drastic !_
Surgery - maybe, but something ... plastic :_
These Democrats have got to go -_
But Republicanism first must grow ! "_
" Dai ... your solution is just - fantastic ! "


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thereon

I took my problems with elections_To THE expert for dai-sections_" LIMP you say - devoid of issues ?_They just ... lie there on - all tissues ?_Have you ... considered ... insurrections ? " = " Whoah ! " I said " That's rather drastic !_Surgery - maybe, but something ... plastic :_These Democrats have got to go -_But Republicanism first must grow ! "_" Dai ... your solution is just - fantastic ! "

Are you suffering from unwanted elections ?_
Cold baths afterwards never end these afflictions !_
But there's a trusted and a free cure_
If you are still not so really very sure_
" Madame RepWblic's " renowned " House of Corrections."


[ ... oh-god-that-I-do-not-believe-in-but-have-some-faith-in ... I wish that you would evolve a smart phone good for this purpose also as well as for my proetry ... ]

So now there's but one day to go -
I can't be bothered as you know -
Yet Russel Brand has changed his mind :
So ... another " Democrat " we find
Saying " Just buy a ticket - but hate the show ! "


Emergency: VOTE To Start Revolution - Russell Brand The Trews (E312) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwGBTcIHN0U

Another cigarette perhaps ... to kill myself before they kill me ? ... 06 / 05 / 15 - 01.30'ish am .. I came back and tweaked " And Russel Brand ... " ... I feel that I need a little musical innerlude to give myself some relief : I very much like The Shee's clever fiddling - it is so very different to the incompetent fiddling of Demockerats ... and Dick Gaughan is immensely worthwhile too ... [ ... and then ... well ... I listened to " Tom Paines Bones " and also wrote ... some tea break ... did I ever get to smoke that cigarette ?]

...now come to think of it - now that the Republicans in England are finally finding their feet again - how many versions are there now being sung of this anthem to Republicanism in England's greatest ever son and one of the founding fathers of both the American and French REAL political systems but whose teachings never took root in his native land where they passed laws against him and used to hang people for reading Tom Paine's " Common Sense," " The Age of Reason " and " The Rights of Man " ... But with such a great son and founding father to look back to, why are Republicans in England still struggling ? ...

... Because they have forgotten the history of The People in England and have allowed the United Kingdom to mis-educate their children into believing that the United Kingdom is both ' a nation ' and ' a country ' whereas in fact it is neither - the United Kingdom is a political system and it is far from being a timeless thing, centuries old and hallowed by mystical associations with its Royal Family ... the United Kingdom - as a political system serving the Ultraistic communities of interest which struggle for power over it - is chameleon-like, constantly changing itself to please casual observers by disguising its own true nature by offering up to the gullible pleasing mirror-images of themselves and so it thus thus deceives them into supporting it because they think that those manipulating the mirror are like themselves and thus sympathetic to themselves ... until they see their own images of themselves grotesquely distorted where they appear at the edges of the United Kingdom's magic mirror when it is pointed at somebody else in order to flatter someone else's sense of themselves and thus win their loyalties ...

... thus one minute The People in Wales are proud to find ourselves told that we are attractive, sociable, intelligent and hard-working ... and .. then if we happen to be over looking the magic mirror presented to The People in England we find out that all of those flattering words naturally belong to them not us, whilst there in the edges of the United Kingdom's magic mirror The People in Wales are caught sight of lurking, presented to The People in England as grotesque, alien, stupid scroungers ... this is why we need to be rid of the United Kingdom as a political system : it is not just one magic mirror that we need to smash, this political system is the equivalent of not just a maze of mirrors but it is also filled with of an awful lot of smoke to dissuade us from being able to see anything or anyone else clearly : we are deceived into not even being able to see ourselves clearly ... As soon as we succeed in smashing one of these mirrors and dis-covering which particular demons and their imps are to be found behind them those who tilt them at us disappear in a puff of smoke and their mirror-maze is then immediately and subtly re-configured all around us and all too many made anxious by having caught sight of these sprites of spite are content to then be told that a political reform has taken place - and they much prefer to blame those of us who thus undeceived them as to the nature of the United Kingdom's Demockery - and in particular, as taught by those who politically miseducate them that they are living, in a Democracy, they have learned to denounce Republicans as terrorists for having terrified them in this way ... However, arguing that you can remedy the problems of Democracy by simply applying more Democratic solutions is like insisting to somebody who is trapped underwater that the remedy for their drowning is breath in more water ... no ... the remedy for those suffering from the Ultraism of Democracy is the Altruism of Republicanism ...


... and I began to write some more beyond that but now I want to just relax and browse various versions of that English Democratic Republican anthem " Tom Paine's Bones."


Washington Irving - Tom Paine's Bones (Live) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcCDWU97HeI

Tom Paine's Bones - The Shee - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGd5rqYbt5o&list=RDOGd5rqYbt5o

NICE HISTORY CHAT - Gary Kaye - Tom Paine's Bones (Glastonwick 2009) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EEa7FytQ3U

Dick Gaughan - Tom Paine's Bones - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd2AHZ22SJ8&index=2&list=RDOGd5rqYbt5o

Coda singing Tom Paine's Bones - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1cvuVATU3Y

JED GRIMES: Tom Paine's Bones - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImS8FXU2tg

Tom Paine's Bones ( Alun Parry, Gabi Monk, Vinny T Spen ) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8t-ObiRSGA

USA - Joe Solo - TOM PAINE'S BONES - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqfz3vPV-Ck

Deluce's Patent - Tom Paine's Bones - CD Launch at The Cornerhouse, Cork 01.10.2011. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgq8kvjiGj4

USA ? - Andreas Transo & Pat Dermody - Tom Paine's Bones.MOV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKysyxZ9N58

I had better stop ... I never have any time for really listening to music - hence I never ran into Alun Parry before : he seems to be a mwdy Lerpwlwr who has compromised - wps ! - sorry !! - COMPOSTED !!! - this election snog to Conservative MP Esther McVey - wps ! - sorry !! - SONG !!!

Sack Esther McVey - Alun Parry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi9XM-GtPhI

Alun Parry - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2653#2653


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Dear

... it seemed to me that a link to my comments on the 2015 general election might appeal to you : I do not know when you will pick up these messages but as it stands today I have just been writing about " Tom Paine's Bones " in a not so subtle way encouraging " The People in England " * to consider this song as a " Republican anthem " and to remember the history of " Republicanism in England " * ( * THESE ARE LITERARY MANNERISMS WHICH I USE AS TRADE-MARK AFFECTATIONS. ) There is a handful of my doggerel poems in this post ( 05 / 05 / 15 )

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2652#2652

You will find a developing metaphor to express what I think is wrong with the United Kingdom as a political system - a conjuring trick involving smoke and mirrors in which we are lost within a constantly shifting maze in which we are met with myriads of our own pleasing reflections wherever we turn. These are all virtual images which are created to deceive us and we very rarely ever penetrate the shimmering reflective surfaces which are presented to us : when we get a glimpse of what is going on behind the scenes and there is a public outcry at the deceit and corruption revealed through the cracks in the system the gaps are swiftly closed or should one of these mirrors actually be broken it is either quickly replaced or those presenting us with these mirrors shuffle together more closely whilst the incompetent left standing naked to view is sacrificed and the pieces of the mirror which he or she dropped are swept underneath the edges of the mirrors on the ceilings or the floors ... thus the whole mirror-maze of the United Kingdom as a political system is constantly shifting to present pleasing reflections to its inmates - but even these are constantly obscured with clouds of sweet-smelling smoke at those moments of crisis in which it is necessary to cover up the stench of corruption.

Now if you would care to try to convey that image in a song I would be most pleased ... of course in my lack of imagination that is already shaping up into a parody of " Hotel California " ...

Regards, David B Lawrence - Dai Saw - dai repWblic
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Subject: FW: PROTEST LETTER 2015 GENERAL ELECTION
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 21:59:37 +0000

Dear Friends - and a few others who know nothing of my being abused for over thirty years by those citing ' Democracy,'

I come from a family whose politics mostly consists of " SOMETHING MUST BE DONE AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES ! "

I prefer to think that there will be no consequences : for the Democrats this is merely a gesture - but for me this is a duty.

We must oppose those shoring up The United Kingdom with corpses and refuse to be conscripted into endorsing this Act.

You must now make a choice : should our political system be based upon Ultraism or Altruism - Democratic or Republican ?

Whichever Democrats win the United Kingdom 2015 General Election we know that we will be ruled by sectarian interests.

Whose sectarian interests the Democrats in Westminster are taking care of we can never know - except they are not ours.

What we have witnessed in this election are bribes and threats - but no politics : Democracy is not a political system at all.

There is only one system of government which is actually political i.e. based solely upon facts and arguments - Republican.

The political system called The United Kingdom is based solely upon Lies, Hatred, Enslavement and War - a total Ultraism.

I think the Democrats in Westminster have run out of all economic options save one - to start a war to justify printing cash.

In which case continuing to support the political system called The United Kingdom is surely suicidal if this is World War 3.

We need to at least strive to achieve the modest aim of re-establishing Republicanism in the political discourses of Wales.

David B. Lawrence

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Subject: PROTEST LETTER 2015 GENERAL ELECTION
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 19:06:20 +0000

RepWblic.org – repwblic.informe.com

The Returning Officers, Cardiff South & Penarth Constituency – Re : UK 2015 General Election,

Dear Sirs / Madams,

I will enter this letter into the ballot box and retain the ballot paper issued to me on the grounds that I have asked for my name to be removed from the Electoral Register and therefore the creation of it should not be possible. The ballot paper of course remains your property – but my name belongs to me : until my name has been removed from the Electoral Register I will continue to do this in all forthcoming elections – and once it has been removed ( and I am no longer being conscripted into supporting the political system called The United Kingdom with threats of harassment, intimidation, prosecution, fines and imprisonments ) I will not vote again until that most fundamental principle of all modern political systems has been restored to us : that of government by consent - not coercion.

I appreciate that you feel bound by duty to adhere to the Electoral Administration & Administration Act 2013 – but equally I feel bound by my duty to The Public Interest to not only argue against but to defy this law and declare the United Kingdom 2015 General Election to be null and void on the grounds that it has been conducted in a corrupt manner ie not merely the coercion being applied to individuals such as myself to subscribe our names as if we were endorsing a political system which in fact we strongly object to, but also the multiple issues which have erupted out of the introduction of what to me is obviously the theft of people's names in this desperate Act by those who claim to be “ Democrats “ yet who have discarded that most basic principle of government by consent. Why have they done this ? Because the normal basis for political authority in a Democracy is a mandate secured by the votes cast – yet in many places even if all of the candidates standing for election had pooled all the votes cast for them all together they still would not be able to secure the endorsement of the majority of those entitled to cast a vote. In other words, the credibility of The United Kingdom as a political system has collapsed – but instead of examining its faults and introducing political reforms such as Proportional Representation, which might result in their parties never ever again enjoying the elected dictatorships they enjoy now, those vaunting themselves as “ Democrats “ have instead discarded the very principles which Democracy is founded upon – and thus in their need to secure the Electoral Register as the basis of their claim to political authority they have now re-instituted a secularised version of that law which just keeps being revived in different disguises – heresy ; tendering the oath ; seditious libel … those laws which Democrats historically opposed …

Some months before the Electoral Administration & Administration Act 2013 was passed, due to a raft of events in my own life in 2012, I had become so disaffected towards the claims being made by those in all elected parties ignorantly proclaiming themselves to be “ Democrats “ and erecting the word as a shibboleth to coerce and frighten the electorate whilst libellously denouncing critics such as myself, that I chose to abandon my long held position as a “ Republican Democrat.“ I have seen so much corrupt behaviour over the thirty five years or so that I have been quietly trying to put things right that I finally found the original Republican arguments about Democracy too utterly compelling and I re-assigned Democracy to where I now believe it belongs in my opinion – in the bin … As I emerged into what for me is a new political landscape I most certainly had my doubts about the idea that Democracy is not merely a corrupt but corrupting and therefore inevitably an irredeemable political system … but once the Democrats in all political parties had endorsed and passed the Electoral Administration & Administration Act 2013 – then I felt that my decision was indeed well-founded : I no longer see Democracy as even being a political system – it is a crime.

David B Lawrence, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ( “dai” )

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... I'll leave that in text lest anyone wants to grab it : this is what it actually looked like, which is the image I prepared for -

Declining Democracy by Refusing Registration ? - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2656#2656



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( circa 02.15 am 08 / 05 / 15 ) Knowing that the audience for RepWblic is mostly overseas it occurred to me that you might like to see what an English ballot paper in Wales looks like ... and to know how other people are reacting to my protest now that I have revealed it to them : with horror ... I have slaughtered the sacred cow of Democracy and reactions have varied from an angry condemnation to an amused sympathy - but is this not rather an extremist position to adopt ? " YES ! " has been my answer : how else can we confront what is happening and hope to avert it ? ... There is nothing wrong with being an extremist provided that we have a sincere concern for everybody else ... and should anybody else doubt my sanity and my judgement - look at the exit polls : everybody else has been anticipating a hung parliament whereas I predicted a very slim majority for the Conservative and Unionist Party - but who will be right in the morning ? ... Incidentally - the ballot papers have the candidates' full addresses on them, but I see no reason to tempt the trolls by providing them with the candidates full addresses - but note that the Conservative and Unionist Party candidate has been " parachuted " in to face a hopeless task in Wales in order to toughen them up for some future campaign elsewhere, and this is OK in my book ... the incumbent Stephen Doughty does not give his address and I do not think that this is OK ... but given my correspondence with him so far he is indeed OK ... ish ... Ben Foday has switched parties and just wants to be elected - and he deftly lied to me some years ago.

For those geographically challenged by our constituency, Penarth is the rather posh large seaside resort town nearby which is famous both for its landmark church tower of St Augustine's on the heaving headland nearby and for its singularly modest only dock which was a valiant rival to these monstrous sisters across the troubled waters of " Tiger Bay " in the city of Cardiff. In between the two is the infamous Cogan where the Severn Seas pirates lurked in the convolutions of the River Ely which shares its outfall into ' The Bay ' with the River Taff which is where in the 16c the captured Spanish galleons were brought in - and beyond them is the River Rhymney which is associated with 17c Captain Morgan, which is a couple of miles still further east but now re-captured within the city boundary of Cardiff ...



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Around about 12.30 noon Friday 08 / 05 / 15 the 326th Conservative & Unionist MP was declared ... so - am I not " Y Proffwydes o'r Repwblic " - ?

I have been skimming this thread searching for the date on which I started saying that I was anticipating the Conservative & Unionist Party winning the United Kingdom 2015 General Election : whereas everybody else has been obsessing about the possibility of a Labour & Cooperative and Liberal Democratic coalition I have been arguing that the polls regularly under-predict the Conservative & Unionist vote and - given that the United Kingdom's electoral system means that elections are decided not by the number of votes cast for any party given the generally prevailing sentiment in the whole country but by the capricious sentiments convulsing a handful of obscure marginal constituencies - it only requires any party to successfully target certain key communities with a scare campaign in the week before polling day to succeed in swinging the vote there and being elected to govern the whole country. In other words, any vote cast for a party which does not intend to put an end to this corrupt political system called The United Kingdom is not so much a wasted vote as a self-harming one. One day we may finally replace it with The United Republic.

Last week I was out and about in places in England where there were such marginal constituencies being contended and the Conservative & Unionist Party had plastered them with hoardings depicting Alex Salmon dressed as a thief reaching out to snatch a bulging wallet from the back pocket of what we can take to be " A Hardworking Englishman " - i.e. David Cameron successfully played the English Nationalist card and on this morning's BBC Radio 4 what came up time and again was anti-Scottish paranoia from those who had come out to vote against Nicola Sturgeon in case she stole their money - voting for the Conservative & Unionist Party. They were utterly clueless as to why the Barnett Formula exists but they see it in terms of the Scottish and the Welsh being feckless scroungers ... there you are : I began predicting that this would happen several years ago, but all that the Democrats in Wales have concentrated upon in the pursuit of their personal ambitions has been to argue for a bigger begging bowl in order to deal with our economy it by simply throwing English tax-payers' money at it ... so now the backlash against the Welsh and the Scottish will begin : the new Conservative & Unionist government in Westminster is going to start making much deeper cuts now that they are not hobbled by the Liberal Democratic Party, and they may well decide to go out on a deliberate wrecking spree in order to make every community living upon this island utterly dependent upon The United Kingdom as a political system - note the word ' dependent ' not ' supportive ' - this is what I suspect is their big plan to save " The Union " ... which of course used to be slang not for " Trade Union " but " Charitable Union " - " The Workhouse " in which the 19c poverty stricken were imprisoned in slavery - " The Spike."

WELCOME BACK TO THE FUTURE OF THE WELSH - AND THE SCOTTISH - AND THE IRISH - AND THE ENGLISH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse

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I suppose that I ought to look at the final head count ... oh ... three missing ? ... Clegg, Farage and Miliband all threw tantrums because they didn't win ? ... Well that is the nature of Democracy guys - nobody wins ! ... Cameron ? ... well public school boys are taught to think of themselves as winners : when they become Prime Ministers and they still can not get what they want because they are Democrats and they had thought that they could just order other people to do whatever they wanted once they got elected - like ordering The People to love them - they throw tantrums too - " You don't love me ? " - " YOU DON'T LOVE ME ? " - " YOU DON'T LOVE ME ? " - " WELL IF YOU WON'T LOVE ME - I WILL MAKE YOU HATE ME ! " ... The fact is that as an Ultraist method of coercing others Democracy is basically the hatred of others pretended to be politics, it is fundamentally about identifying whom you do not identify with and then organising conspiracies against them pretended to be political organisations and then conducting civil wars within society fought with ballots not bullets - but bullets are always available as an option for losers - in order to get control of the means to punish others for not loving you ... uh ? ...

Look ... Democrats not only tend to be incapable of understanding how others think but they tend to be incapable of forming loving relationships ; the most committed Democratic Party members are incapable of having any social relationships with those who think differently which is why they spend all of their free time ( they are often unemployed because they are unemployable ) sitting in committees where the relationships are always impersonal and the others there can not simply get up and leave when they find themselves being relentlessly berated until they have agreed with that Democrat's viewpoint whether they understand it or not. Of course when Democrats relentlessly do this to each other they inevitably end up mutually hating each other but the Democratic Party is their whole life, they have no where else to go because they are incapable of joining another social group unless it is another Democratic Party and they can not do that because they are Democrats and therefore especially hate all of the other Democrats because they understand things differently ... and therefore in order to avoid having to leave their own Democratic Party because they hate all of the other Democrats in it who all hate them - they all hate the other Democrats in the other Democratic Parties with an especially intense hatred in order to make their own mutual hatred seem more normal and convivial ... a mutual hatred which they can live with until the glorious day when their Democratic Party finally wins the election and then they can get everything that they want - Democratically ... but ... but ... then they find that The People do not love them and that was what they were living for - the day when The People will understand them and love them ... but The People do not understand and love The Democrats ... because The Democrats refuse to understand or love The People - because they do not understand nor love The People ... if Democrats were capable of understanding and loving The People ... uh ... well ... obviously they would be Republicans ! ... AND ... they would not be throwing tantrums and turning on their leaders for losing their elections and depriving them of the opportunity to use The State to make The People understand and love their Democratic Parties ...

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I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO IMAGINE HOW THE REPUBLICANS IN ENGLAND MIGHT BE COPING WITH THE UNITED KINGDOM 2015 GENERAL ELECTION ...

DING ... DING ... DING...DING..DING.DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING - " Alrite - ALRITE - I NO' IT'S YIW MISS BLIW ! - 'old on naw - I SED 'OLD ON NAW ! " - DINGDINGDING - " Now - WAT THE - " " OWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWA-WA-WA-Waaaaaaa-BOO-HOO ! " - " NAW naw yung laydie - i's unly a' lecshiwn ! " - " Bu-bu-bu-but they were VOTING - VOTING - TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT TO HAVE - ! - UyeaUGhaghahagagah-uck - OH - oh - ugh - I have been nearly throwing up all day at the very thought of it - they are so disgusting - so uncivilised - so - so - " - " Democratic ? " - " NO ! - EMBARRASSING !!! - Oh ! ... Mrs White ... I am so ashamed ... the Democratic Conservatives have won the United Kingdom's 2015 General Election ... it was terrible ... it was awful - they did not even try to not win - and even worse than that - they pretended that they were not going to win - right up until the moment when the ballot was closed - and then the exit polls revealed that they had sneakily sprung this as a nasty surprise upon all of the rest of our family - and they were so disloyal : no Conservatives really wanted to win this particular general election - was their behaviour lawful ? " - " Wel' dun't wurrie dearie, thai'v wun lecshiwns bifur as wel' an the'l meck up fur'it al bie lusin' the necs wun - " - " BUT MRS WHITE ! ... The Democratic Conservatives did not even make the effort to lose even one little bit - and they did not even pretend to not want to win - not even for the sake of appearances ... it ... they ... theirs was simply not proper Conservative behaviour - certainly not Conservative Republican behaviour ! - absolutely certainly not Republican Conservative behaviour ! - they - it's - were -just so - so - Democratic - and - it - it's - just so Ultraistic - SURELY THAT'S CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR ? ... surely ? " - " Wel' eye dun'no wye yw shud feyl so ember'assed 'bout'it has a Consurfatif' Repwblican - or ar' yw a Repwblican Consurfatif ... ? " - " Oh - I am so upset by the Democratic Conservatives winning this general election - WINNING ! - I just do not know what I am any more ... " - " Wel' weer' avin' a lidl party of a diffren' kind in the gardin owt back - mie cussin's 'ere from Ozsdraliya and 'es broart 'is big tent with 'im, so ther's plenny of roum in ther' for everi'wun - wwefur they'ar ! "

[ I had the idea for this gag whilst I was out on an errand - but it is just too late now to continue : the idea is derived from Cluedo ... now I must sleep.]
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Marianne commented upon Charlotte Church at an election demonstration on 09 / 05 / 15 - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2660#2660

COMMENTS UPON PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281

Election 2015: What difference would proportional representation have made ?

The Electoral Reform Society, a campaign group, has modelled what would have happened under a proportional voting system that makes use of the D'Hondt method of converting votes to seats.

The Conservatives would have won 75 fewer seats but would still have been the largest party in the Commons. Labour too would have taken fewer seats. ... The SNP's dramatic increase in seats of 50 would have been curtailed to 25. ... But UKIP, the Lib Dems and the Greens would have fared much better. ... UKIP would have been a force to be reckoned with in the Commons with 83 seats. ... Mr Farage has not yet declared which of the many alternative voting systems he would favour, but any more proportional system would be likely to give him and other smaller parties a boost. ... The contrasting fortunes of the different parties in Westminster under first past the post are made clear by looking at the number of votes won for each winning candidate. ... UKIP required more than 100 times as many votes for its lone elected MP than the Conservatives did for each of theirs.


The D'Hondt system: How MEPs get elected in Britain - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27187434

A system devised by Victor D'Hondt, a Belgian lawyer and mathematician active in the 19th Century, dictates the results:

In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all the seats for the region have been taken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method ... http://icon.cat/util/elections


ALSO OF INTEREST - The psychology of voting: an emotional matter ? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32537661

No one theory can explain the complicated business of voting preference. But now, psychologists are now wading into the debate offering their perspective.

Gut reaction - Evoking fear - Easy on the eye - Competence and warmth - Bad news sticks - ?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

[ IN MY MORE CONVENTIONAL MODES OF THINKING OF MY YESTERYEARS I FELT THAT A HUGE SINGLE NATIONAL CONSTITUENCY WITH NUMBERS OF REPRESENTATIVES DETERMINED BY THE NUMBERS OF VOTES CAST FOR A PARTY'S LIST POTENTIALLY POSED AN EVEN WORSE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT BROKE THE LINK TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY THROUGH THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE THUS AGGRAVATING THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH DEMOCRACY EVEN FURTHER - THE ORDER OF THE LISTS WOULD END UP BEING DETERMINED BY THOSE WHO OBTAINED CONTROL OF THE PARTIES AND THEY WOULD BECOME EVEN MORE FASCISTIC THAN THEY ARE NOW WITH CANDIDATES NOT BEING CHOSEN LOCALLY - BUT - I THINK THAT PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION ON A SINGLE TRANSFERABLE VOTE BASIS IN A NATIONAL CONSTITUENCY WOULD PRODUCE A GOOD MIX OF OPINIONS WITH NOBODY IN OVERALL CONTROL WHICH FORCES PARTIES TO NEGOTIATE TO GET A POLICY THROUGH - UGH, YES : ULTIMATELY DECIDED BY VOTING I SUPPOSE - BUT WITH A LOT MORE POLITICAL ARGUMENT TAKING PLACE WHICH WOULD MODERATE THOSE POLICIES AND PREVENT THE EXTREMIST POLICIES WHICH RESULT FROM THE ELECTED DICTATORSHIPS WHICH CHARACTERISE THE UNITED KINGDOM AS A POLITICAL SYSTEM BASED UPON TRIAL BY COMBAT BETWEEN THESE PRESENTLY CONTENDING ARMIES OF MEDIEVAL ARISTOCRATIC MORONS ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_England_riots ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZYEJBfjs5M ...

... BUT WHILST PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION IN A NATIONAL CONSTITUENCY RESULTS IN STABLE MODERATED POLICIES WHICH ARE STRONGLY SUPPORTED BECAUSE WIDELY CONSENTED TO AND WHICH ARE NOT SIMPLY DISCARDED EACH TIME THAT THE TIDE OF BATTLE - AS POLITICS CONDUCTED AS WARFARE IS - DELIVERS YET ANOTHER CHANGE OF ELECTED DICTATORSHIP IN THE DESTRUCTIVE YO-YO, DING-DONG, PENDULUM POLITICS OF THIS TWO-PARTY SYSTEM WHICH DRIVES THE POLITICAL PARTIES INVOLVED TO ADOPT MORE AND MORE EXTREMIST POLICIES IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAKE MORE SUCCESSFUL PITCHES TO THE ELECTORATE [ - WHICH IS NOW OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPING INTO A STASIS, AND INCREASINGLY A DANGEROUS ONE IN WHICH CAMERON IS THOUGHTLESSLY THREATENING TO PROVOKE THE KINDS OF VIOLENT SOCIAL DISORDER WHICH THATCHER DID IN THE 1980S - KNOWING THAT THE RIOTING AND LOOTING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN LABOUR HELD CONSTITUENCIES AND IT WOULD JUST WIN HER MORE VOTES - ] ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_of_France ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality

... I THINK THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE A STRONG CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION TO NATIONAL GOVERNMENT FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE LATTER UNDER PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION WILL BE VERY STRONGLY BIASED TOWARDS IDEOLOGICAL ARGUMENTS [ A GOOD THING IN MY BOOK ] BUT LACKING IN DETAILED INFORMATION AS TO THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE DECISIONS THAT WILL RESULT UNLESS LOCALLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ARE BRINGING IN OBJECTIVE FACTS FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES ... NOW I DO NOT THINK THAT THE PRESENT ARRANGEMENT IN CONSTITUENCIES IS WORKING AT ALL WELL : IN THE PRESENT POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED THE UNITED KINGDOM THE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT GET ELECTED AND SORT OF FLOAT AROUND AIMLESSLY, APART FROM RUSHING AROUND TO STAND IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK TO CLAIM THE CREDIT FOR IT BEFORE THEY RUSH OFF TO DISCONTINUE THE FUNDING FOR IT IN ORDER TO GIVE IT TO THOSE PROVIDING THEM WITH THEIR NEXT PHOTO-CALL ... IN NORMAL POLITICAL SYSTEMS ( I.E. REPUBLICAN POLITICAL SYSTEMS ) THE POLITICAL CONSTITUENCY IS " THE COMMUNE " I.E. THE LOCAL AUTHORITY ( THESE USED TO EXIST IN WALES AS " MUNICIPALITIES " BUT THE LABOUR PARTY LEGISLATED THEM AWAY IN 1974 ... PERHAPS THEY WERE TOO MUCH LIKE " COMMUNISM " - I.E. THEY WERE POLITICALLY POWERFUL ENOUGH TO RESIST THOSE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED DICTATORS IN DOWNING STREET - ? ) AND THIS PROVIDES A STRONG BASIS FOR COLLECTING THE NECESSARY AND VITAL INFORMATION IN A REGULAR AND SYSTEMATIC MANNER : SO WHAT I HAVE RECOMMENDED IN THE PAST IS TO STOP BEING SO CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE THE SIZE OF CONSTITUENCIES EQUAL AND TO START BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FUNCTIONALITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision-making_models ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-cultural_differences_in_decision-making

POLITICS IS A DECISION MAKING PROCESS : IT REQUIRES FACTS AND IT REQUIRES ARGUMENTS AS TO WHAT THOSE FACTS MEAN AND WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THEM - SO THE CHALLENGE IS TO DESIGN A DECISION MAKING PROCESS WHICH PRODUCES THE BEST RESULTS ... THE UNITED KINGDOM AS A POLITICAL SYSTEM PRODUCES LOUSY RESULTS BECAUSE IT IS BADLY DESIGNED - BUT THE TROUBLE WITH THE PROPOSALS TO REFORM IT DERIVES FROM THE ARGUMENTS WHICH ARE TAKING PLACE OVER THIS FACT ... HERE IS MY DIAGNOSIS OF WHAT THE CAUSE OF THAT TROUBLE IS : DEMOCRACY ... I OFTEN PITCH THE ARGUMENT IN RESPECT OF MY EXPERIENCES IN LEFT WING GROUPS BUT IT EQUALLY APPLIES TO RIGHT WING GROUPS : DEMOCRATIC POLITICS IS FOUNDED UPON THE IDEA OF " VOX POPULI - VOX DEI " - THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS THE VOICE OF GOD " - WHEREAS REPUBLICAN POLITICS IS FOUNDED UPON THE IDEA OF " THE GENERAL WILL." IT IS NOT OBVIOUS TO MOST PEOPLE THAT BOTH OF THESE IDEAS HAVE THEIR ORIGINS IN RELIGION - DO NOT CLICK OFF THE PAGE !!! - AND THIS IS CRITICAL ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion

... SEE IF YOU CAN GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THIS : SUBSTITUTE THE MODERN WORD " IDEOLOGY " - FEW PEOPLE SEEM TO GRASP THAT " RELIGION " IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS " IDEOLOGY " SO TO MAKE THIS EASIER JUST RECLASSIFY " RELIGION " AS BEING A SPECIAL CLASS OR SUB-CLASS OF " IDEOLOGY " IF YOU WANT. IN REPUBLICANISM THERE USED TO BE FIERCELY CONTESTED DEBATES ABOUT RELIGION FOR SEVERAL VERY GOOD REASONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE USE OF THIS IDEOLOGY TO ASSERT THAT IT WAS THE DIVINE ORDER OF THINGS THAT POOR PEOPLE SHOULD BE PREYED UPON BY THE WEALTHY ETC. - I.E. THOSE WHO HAD GAINED CONTROL OVER THE STATE AS OFTEN AS NOT USED IT TO GAIN CONTROL OVER THE CHURCH, MOSQUE, TEMPLE ETC AND USED THEM TO ASSERT THAT THEIR CRIMES WERE DIVINELY SANCTIONED AND THEREFORE LEGAL. VERSIONS OF RELIGION WHICH DENIED THIS AND INVOKED THE IDEA OF GOD TO SANCTION RESISTANCE TO THESE CLAIMS WERE DECLARED TO BE HERETICAL ... IN 17C ENGLAND AND WALES PEOPLE HOLDING SUCH IDEOLOGICAL BELIEFS WERE DRIVEN INTO EXILE IN AMERICA AND IN THE 18C THESE SAME IDEOLOGIES WERE SLIGHTLY UPDATED BECAME THE IDEOLOGICAL BASIS FOR RESISTANCE, REVOLT AND THEN REVOLUTION - ONLY IN THE USA THE ' REVOLUTION ' WAS MERELY A PROCLAMATION OF THE IDEOLOGY THE SOCIETY WHICH HAD ALREADY ESTABLISHED ITSELF THERE. IN THE FRENCH REVOLUTION THESE VALUES WERE NOT THE BASIS OF SOCIETY, THE PREVALENT IDEOLOGY WAS NOT NON-CONFORMIST PROTESTANTISM BUT A VERY CONFORMIST CATHOLICISM WHOSE LEADERS OPPOSED THE REVOLUTION - SO THOSE WHO WANTED TO PRESS FORWARD WITH THE REVOLUTION TRIED TO DO SO BY REPLACING THE IDEOLOGY OF THOSE WHO OPPOSED THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY - BY KILLING THEM : NOT MERELY IMMORAL AND THEREFORE UNETHICAL, BUT IDEOLOGICALLY INCOMPETENT - CHOPPING OFF HEADS DOES NOT CHANGE MINDS ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine-Fran%C3%A7ois_Momoro ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Destutt_de_Tracy

... THE EVENTS IN FRANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIRST FRENCH REPUBLIC ARE SO SURROUNDED WITH CONTROVERSY AND MYTHOLOGY IT IS DIFFICULT TO DECIDE THE TRUTH OF THEM - BUT I AM INTERESTED IN MOMORO AND DE TRACY BECAUSE THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE TRANSITION TO THE SUPPOSED SECULARISM OF SUCH IDEOLOGIES AS LIBERALISM AND MARXISM WHICH PRETEND NOT TO BE RELIGIONS WHEN THEY BLATANTLY ARE TO A PRACTITIONER OF RELIGION LIKE ME. MOST PEOPLE'S IDEAS OF WHAT THE WORD " RELIGION " MEANS COMES FROM THESE AND OTHER SUPPOSEDLY " SECULAR " IDEOLOGIES WHICH GET INTO ALL SORTS OF CONTRADICTIONS IN THEIR ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY RELIGION IS BAD WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY PRACTISING RELIGION BADLY THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DENY THAT THEY ARE RELIGIONS AT ALL AND SO REFUSE TO LEARN FROM THESE OLDER IDEOLOGIES WHICH WE CALL " RELIGIONS." FORGET ALL OF YOUR CONCEPTIONS ABOUT RELIGION WHICH INVOLVE IDEAS LIKE " GOD " AND SIMPLY OBSERVE WHAT HUMAN BEINGS DO - " THINGS HAPPEN TO US AND WE REACT TO THEM AND WANT TO MAKE SENSE BOTH OF THEM AND OF OUR REACTION TO THEM AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT THOSE THINGS." I WILL NOT GO INTO THE MODEL AT LENGTH HERE, BUT " RELIGION " IS SIMPLY THE COLLECTIVE HUMAN ACTIVITY OF MAKING SENSE OF OUR LIVES AND PEOPLE ARE DOING IT ALL OF THE TIME - WE CREATE TOGETHER OUR MUTUAL UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE WORLD AND THESE ARE THEN THE PRECURSORS TO OUR ACTIONS WITHIN IT - RELIGION IS THE ACTIVITY WHICH CREATES WHAT " SECULAR " PEOPLE CALL " IDEOLOGIES " ... BUT OF COURSE THE " SECULARISTS " POSSESS THE TRUTH AND SO WHEN THEY KILL PEOPLE THEIR IDEOLOGY PERFECTLY JUSTIFIES THIS - THOSE HORRIBLE MURDEROUS " RELIGIOUS " TYPES ARE MERELY HYPOCRITES WHO SAY " DO NOT KILL " BUT DO : SECULARISTS ARE NOT HYPOCRITES !

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic ... http://theirelandinstitute.com/republic/01/pdf/fcullen001.pdf

WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SUCH " SECULARISTS " IN POWER RIGHT NOW - BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO CONSIDER WHICH " DEMOCRATS " HAVE WON THIS OR ANY ELECTION : BY DEFINITION A " DEMOCRACY " IS A POLITICAL SYSTEM DESIGNED FOR THE PURSUIT OF THE SECTARIAN PRIVATE INTERESTS OF " DEMOCRATS " - AND THEREFORE IT WILL ALWAYS BE SUBJECT TO THESE DESTRUCTIVE CONTESTS WHICH HARM " THE PUBLIC INTEREST." IN OTHER WORDS, IN EVERY DEMOCRATIC ELECTION " THE PEOPLE " WILL ALWAYS LOSE - UNLESS OUR STATE IS DESIGNED AS A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM AND IS ABLE TO RESIST SUCH ULTRAISMS AS DEMOCRACY AND THUS ENSURE THAT IT WILL BE FACTS AND ARGUMENTS - NOT LIES, HATRED, ENSLAVEMENT AND WAR - WHICH PREDOMINATE IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESSES OF OUR GOVERNMENTS OF OUR STATES OF OUR COUNTRIES OF OUR WORLD ... WHICH AT PRESENT THEY MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT.

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I grabbed this reference rather casually ... but it is rather good and I want to recommend it - http://theirelandinstitute.com/republic/01/pdf/fcullen001.pdf


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I thought that I might end this thread on that rather better example of writing about Republicanism compared to my leisurely scribbles ... I guess that the general election must now be over because my phones and computers have started to operate normally again today, although I am sort of curious about that little guy who was pretending to be drunk who asked me the time in Cowbridge Road : how did he manage to get past me to re-appear at the southern end of Westgate Street pretending to sober and really interested in looking into that window ? If you are going to send people like this to follow me around, couldn't you hire some better actors ? ... Oh ... of course : MI3 has to adhere to austerity budgets too ... look ... take my advice - please - the more that you pay informants the more lies they will tell ... actually, come to think of it : presently I am absolutely skint - and I know loads of stuff about my own self which you would never otherwise get to know ... how about you just send me your file on me to start with ?

... OH ! - NO !! - MUCH MUCH BETTER !!! - SEND ME MY SISTER'S FILE !!!! ...

Perhaps you wondered where I disappeared to for several hours ? ... I walked west down Penarth Road and grabbed a tuna sandwich and a truly horrible can of cherry flavoured chemicals, then I walked further on down to that marina place with the boat hoist and turned north alongside the River Ely ... another example of the moronic behaviour there of Cardiff City County Council Highways Department's Planning and - oh ! - Sorry : surely that was the old South Glamorgan County Council Highways Department wasn't it which took the most idyllic beauty spot in Cardiff and slammed a dual carriageway through it ... well, what is in a name eh - still the same people still in the same buildings nearby - still cooking up brilliant traffic schemes like cycle lanes ten yards long and - of course - the infamous ski-jump outside the ( old ) Welsh Assembly building, although of course I might be wrong about that ... there is a rumour that it really was intended to be like that and that the other two miles of dual carriageway which were never built were just very loudly proposed in order to deceive us, with the half-constructed bridge at the other end over the Rhymney River being all part of the necessary deception to provide Wales with a world first : an intergalactic spaceship docking station which was intended to make use of the one resource which we still have in abundance here in Wales - pure moonshine ! ... Of course the plan must have foundered upon the cost of the other part of the deception, the Butetown Tunnel which is rumoured to have cost more in terms of pounds per cubic feet than the English Channel Tunnel - which is why neither the Cardiff nor the South Glamorgan Councils wanted to be responsible for it when they found out about the running costs of it.

The birds have evolved really quickly over on the River Ely - they have got much bigger peckers and positively heaving breasts as they repetitively bellow out their songs - so I guess that the analogy is obvious - as they stand upon the heaps of rubbish which they have piled up on an otherwise blasted earth ... mind you I have to admit that I was amazed by the idea that such little tits could line their nests with so much stuff taken from so many places - how on earth did they carry it all away from wherever they got it ? ... Come to think of it there are plenty of discounted goods on sale in Cardiff, and a lot of desirable things which are just written off and offers invited for them ... perhaps they will sell of the River Ely now ? ... Nobody goes there to use those expensive fishing platforms which were provided ... and every time that I go down to that part of it I ... well - I do not quite understand ... it is probably merely my odd personal preference, but I would have put the path alongside the nice slowly flowing river where the peaceful views are rather than next to the busiest loudest smelliest dirtiest dual carriageway in Cardiff ... but perhaps as a Pure Republican I have not understood the Democratically Decided facts and arguments which underly this decision - after all, they did do exactly the same on the next stretch ... and there must be a reason as to why no footpath was provided on the Cogan Spur bridge ... obviously they really wanted to spend ... how many millions of English taxpayers' money on that fancy cantilevering pneumatic foot bridge immediately below the road bridge, which is of course operated frequent-ish-ly and is worth its weight in gold, although the actual price paid was slightly more than that ... Oh ! The joys of living in ... um ... Swansea ?

... oh - yes - the walk ... I remember that there were lots of trees ... but none of them hugged me ... >sob< ... and I walked home via Chapter Arts Centre - hey ! My Dad's first teaching job was in Canton High ! ... He hated it ... and I only popped in because I wanted a flyer to scribble some llerreggodd on - mmm - Chapter looked as if it was doing alright ... at least compared to the libraries in Cardiff which are presently being converted into ... oh ... something for poorer people who probably would not mind us richer people still receiving subsidised tickets for things like opera and toilet seats nailed on our art galleries' walls - we must keep up appearances after all, and so dirty smelly old mad people can be neglected and left to die in their own vomit and faeces out of sight ( surely ? ) ... poetry is of course the most suitable art form for poorer people because they can write it on the backs of the frequent rent demand envelopes which we are sending them - and anyway, they do not even really need a home to scribble it in ! ... Actually, come to think of it MI3 ... surely you would be able to fund some better actors if you applied for a grant from the Cambrian Arts Council ? You could argue that your actoring employees are in fact performance artists - they are always lame, so I am sure that that would work ... and you could have them painted head to toe in something bright like ... oh ... oh dear ... oh hell ... don't tell me that golden statue guy in Queen Street is really ...

So ... The People elected a Democratic
Government hell bent on economic
Policies to save the bankers
And all of the other richer swankers
But to distress The People is not politic.

Oh ! - More Democracy ? - Shall I take a bromide ?
Surely not. ... What about - suicide ?
I guess we must find facts - make rows :
And hunt down every sucking louse
And give The People back their pride.

So forget you're Welsh or Scotch,
Irish or English or if you're Hotch Potch -
We must now forget our histories -
And make our case against The Tories
Before they carve another notch ...

... Oh ! ... But here in Cardiff the Taff does flow slow
It struggles against it but - as we all know -
It meanders down into that very dead Bay
Where those in Ty Senedd will be holding their sway
Democratically - until Republican seed we manage to sow ...

dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence - the author's moral right asserted - copyright left


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To be honest I just want to quit this thread now - and give up ... for a while ... I need to get out more and meet a tree willing to hug me for what I am - knackered !

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... 15 / 05 / 14 ... So ... last night ... ANOTHER ****ING FRIENDLY PERSON ? ... Look - MI2 ? - you are just irritating me and wasting tax-payers' money if that was a petty attempt at entrapment : I am a writer so write me a letter if you need me to explain to you what I write on the board, in my emails, texts and letters or if you still do not understand my phone conversations ... or better still - piss off and pursue some criminals : start with those who think that they can pass laws to legitimise their practising injustice.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO ... I came home this evening to find some excellently mystic Illuminati gibberish scratched out in the dirt by the side of my front door leaving me to ponder whether it is a greeting or a threat ... or a joke - which I take it to be - Laughing - but it does remind me of the great strength of Dafydd's plan in founding the Cardiff Branch of The Ancient Order of The Illuminated Sages of Bavaria ( I expect that I have now got the exact phrasing of that wrong - according to Daf ) after the Welsh Socialist Republican Movement ( " The Reds " ) were charged with " Conspiracy " and the only people found guilty of conspiracy ( but never charged ) were the police officers involved who made them sign confessions. As I understand it, if we were to be charged with " Conspiracy " Dafydd decided that we had better make sure that we confessed to belonging to the very best one going - " The Illuminati."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Socialist_Republican_Movement

http://mikejay.net/darkness-over-all/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

Now much has been disputed by those involved as to what we were involved with since our interests were extremely eclectic ( besides alchohol ) but this underlines what might well be the most important principle in Republicanism - to not ever agree with anyone else but to learn to be convivial enough to be able to cadge a rolly and possibly to even listen to those others whose basic argument is that you are full of bullshit, that your opinions are utter rubbish and that you really ought to take their rather better advice ... thus you might learn something new - and despite the odds, we often did ...

... and thus as a dis-organisation we have sort of subsisted for over thirty years and achieved nothing ... excepted that the individuals involved have in various ways persistently kicked the bullshit out of the purportedly professional politicos and each of us in our own modest ways have got some things done ... but how many of these individuals are there ... ? ... uh ... we-ell ... we never kept any lists of those who ... thingy ... mostly because we could not be bothered ... but partly because that was a entirely pointless liability ... so as to how many other people received the ... thingy ... and passed it on to others we absolutely do not know ... but personally I would estimate that by regular exponential progression there are now way over a billion of The Illuminati in Wales - so I feel confident in asserting that it must have been another one of The Illuminati in Wales who came by to call and scratched out those symbols in the dirt besides my door ...

... and I would be delighted to meet you ...

dai repWblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I intended to some how polish off the end of this with a few more comments, but I ended up writing about Finbar Cullen's essay as mentioned above -

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2664#2664

I might just make it back tonight to ... sleep ... may be ... perhaps I might be able to fall asleep later by listening to something soothingly sonorous on BBC Radio 4 ... whilst counting cheap ... possibilities ... sailing by ... to my nightmares ... you know the propaganda edge in the British media for the political establishment has been very noticeable in the months leading up to the United Kingdom 2015 General Election ... yawn ...

... and now for THE SHOPPING FORECAST issued by the Cabinet Office on behalf of The Good-Times But Cost-Guarded Agencies at 23.00 hours today - the 14th May 2015 - exactly one week after the United Kingdom 2015 General Election ballot was closed ... THE AREA FORECASTS ... THERE ARE WARNINGS OF SALES IN ALL AREAS EXCEPT IN - SOUTH UKSHIRE - THAMES - FITZROI - AND WHEREVER THERE IS ROCKALL ... The GENERAL SYNOPSIS is - OH ! - OH ! - OH ! - OH ! ... The long range forecast is for there to be deep depressions all around the British Isles including British Ireland where there is already a very heavy reign ... LOW - GERMANS BITE - OH ! OO ! OO ! OO-WUN ! - RISING VERY RAPIDLY - IMMANENT - EXPECTED DOVER - 1939 - BY - OH - SEVEN-ISH - TOMORROW ... PORTLAND - PLYMOUTH - LUNDY - VEERING SOUTHWEST AND BECOMING CYCLONIC - FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM - PERHAPS OCCASIONALLY SIX LATER - MODERATE AND GOOD - SMOOTH BECOMING PHENOMENAL - SQUALLY IN SHOWERS ... Now here are the reports for the STATIONS WHICH COST ALL NOT LIGHTLY - AUTOMATICALLY - HIGH - FEAR - VALLEY - 1984 - RISING VERY RAPIDLY - STEADILY BACKING MODERATE - VERY POOR - SOON ... And finally the forecasts for the ... UNSURE WATERS SURROUNDING GREATER BRITAIN AND LESSER IRELAND - THE GENERAL SITUATION - IS ONE OF - RIGID HIGH PRESSURE ON ALL FRONTS - THIS ALL TIME LOW WILL NOT BRING ANYTHING WET - THERE WILL BE NO MOVING AWAY TO THE CONTINENT - AND TRANSIENT SYSTEMS FROM THE CONTINENT WILL BE MADE TO VEER AWAY - VERY RAPIDLY AND VERY ROUGHLY - AND BOTH SOONER AND LATER THERE MAY BE A VIOLENT STORM - BUT THERE WILL BE - A CAPED WRATH - AND A RAT'RAY'D HEAD - AND A BACKING OF ST GEORGE'S CHANNEL ... FEAR ? - GOOD ! ... AND FINALLY WE FORECAST THE END OF ALL SHOPPING ... AND THIS WILL ALSO BE THE END OF YOUR POLITICAL SYSTEM - WHICH YOU THOUGHT WAS A DEMOCRACY ... BEFORE WE FINALLY SHOOT THE BULLETS IN ... IN A MOMENT THEN - OUR WORLD SERVICE - AS FOLLOWED BY BUSINESS CONCERNS ... AND ... AS THE END OF YOUR FINAL HOUR APPROACHES ... it only remains for me on behalf of everybody else here in the British Broadcasting Conspiracy to wish that you will all sleep very soundly - and peacefully ... DA DA DEE DA DEE DA - DEE DA DEE DA DEE DA - DEE DA DEEEEE - DA !

( ... and in their bunkers - they were singing " BYE BYE - No ! - Sorry ! ... )

[ ... " God Save Our Gravy Train ! - Long Live Our Groovy Brains ! - God Slay Them All ! " ... ]

IF YOU ALREADY KNOW THE REAL THING : A PLEASING SHORT SKIT - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02prynw

THE REAL THING - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qfvv

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/guide/weather/marine/glossary http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/guide/weather/marine/


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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ghVOoZH2U8 - " Thomas Paine speaks the truth "

I ought to finish with this thread
... I was going to just relax a bit with some documentary and I hit upon this : a demonstration of how a man's name can be abused !

Mark Steel is more informative and treats politics as it should be treated : a seriously funny business - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIhcDxTU1Og

As Mark Steel indicates, the Republicans in England have great difficulty in taking Tom Paine seriously - yet Americans have difficulty in seeing his funny side :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKWE7PcC08k - Thomas Paine and Modern Liberalism Part 1 | The New School

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxdqdax4VbQ - Yale Courses : Common Sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvtwoVCTxM - Why Thomas Paine's Common Sense is important ... ( A Feminist Analysis ? ) ... [ I liked this ] ...


SO : " GET WITH THESE PROGRAMMES " - Republicanism is both funny and serious - and it is not anti-Monarchism - not Nationalism - nor even Democratism ...
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28/05/15 - Looking back over this three weeks after the election day, I do not know whether my instinctive reaction to talk generally about Republicanism was a good strategy - to comment upon The United Kingdom 2015 General Election in this educational way for the extra number of inquirers ... I certainly did not have " a cunning plan " ... but it was pretty pointless to merely say the same as everybody else and after all an election is one of the few occasions when The People actually question what The United Kingdom is about and ask themselves what they are doing ... for all of about a second before they scratch out their lives with a cross ... symbolic perhaps of their agreeing to be crucified all over again until the next election ?

( possgriproem )

Now Democrats both Left and Right
Have pissed on us both Day and Night
For two hundred years or more I fear -
And what is now their Big Idea ?
To sell us umbrellas - in spite ?


( " sell-us umbrell-as " )

Until the next election ?

Well ... there is reason to be hopeful : it seems that the Conservative & Unionist Party may well finally tear both itself apart and the political system called The United Kingdom also in their in shouting and screaming about " Democracy " and " The Rule of Law " and " British Values " and " Human Rights which are OUR especially SPECIALISED version for The VERY SPECIAL United Kingdom ! " ... well, I do not want to think that they can continue to do this - i.e. carry their proposed policies all of the way into their full paradox - without it becoming obvious to even the severely moderately politically educated that the Conservative and Unionist Party are in fact destroying all of these things ... but I also have to assume that they will get away with it because the standard of political education in Great Britain is not merely close zero but actually to be denoted in minus integers - The People in Wales certainly are not even fractionally let alone moderately politically miseducated but they are wholly so ... so ... give up ? ...

But another aspect of this forthcoming decade is that none of these parties in bleating about the utter sanctity of their Demockeratically Untied Kingdoblob have remembered is that The People Who Were Young Adults in the 1980s - i.e. whose lives were smashed up by the Conservative and Unionist Party and whose children's lives were passed over in silence by the Labour and Cooperative Party and whose grandchildren's lives have been ignored by the Liberal Democrat Party - none have them have gasped that we never evaporated nor went away nor did we curl up and die for the greater convenience of these Muddle Class Professional Politicos ... having endured Democrats like the weather - having been pissed upon merely from different directions for over thirty years, we are not about to trust any Democrats trying to sell us umbrellas. But merely mistrusting Democrats does not make a man or woman into a citizen or citizenne let alone into a Republican : frustrated, angry and despairing political incompetents choose rioting - not reasoning.

Meanwhile, being the sort of poverty-stricken person whose life may well go up in smoke thanks to the incompetent and therefore Lying, Hating, Enslaving and therefore Warring Political System of The United Kingdom as subscribed to by The Democrats in Wales, I myself can only opt for the write-on politics of Pure Republicanism : if you think that heaving bricks at them will make you feel better, I must confess that I do sympathise - but I have to deny, in speaking from a Pure Republican point of view, that such behaviour is to be described as political : rioting is to me nothing more than Pure Democracy.

Well ... if in five years time we have not achieved The United Republic ... let us at least hope for nothing worse than the United Kingdom 2020 General Election.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine Cameron & also May_As kids in the playground - in my day_The teachers would give them their hand_& in separate corners make them stand_Until they had learned to properly play.

High threads of thin cirrus_Are deemed to be serious_Though Blue may seem to cover all_& whilst the threat from these seem small_They omen storms precipitatious

[ Perhaps I should have made those clouds " white cirrus " to signify them as Republican - but in this non-epic " Game of Proems " knocked off in five minutes during my occasional coffee-breaks taken whilst I am trying to " Save The World From Democracy " the object is to lever the limerick into a single text 160 characterd long ( hence the format above with " _ " denoting the spaces between the lines.]


There is a lot happening since the election and I can not but help wondering as to whether the Conservative & Unionist Party are using Europe and Human Rights etc as issues to kick up a lot of dust - that they will not in fact do more than use these to distract The People from what they are really up to : the good news about this has been that the sorts of Conservative that still have a strong sense of The Public Interest but are loathe to refer to themselves as Conservative Republicans are actually coming forth to criticise those that I refer to as.Democratic Conservatives i.e. Those like Cameron who like Milliband are only interested in playing to the lowest common denominators - indeed the most common and lowest of all denominators : ignorance, prejudice and bigotry - and do not give a toss for the morality and ethics which underpin Conservatism ( not that I agree with Conservative Republicans or Republican Conservatives - but they are hell of a lot better than Any Sort Of Democrat or indeed Democrats Of Any Sort
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