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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Victor Papanek : designing professional political systems Reply with quote

THIS THREAD IS TURNING INTO A RAMBLING RAGING MONSTER - BUT I AM FINDING IT GREAT FUN : I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY CAN FIND SOMETHING TO INTEREST THEM !

P.S. 27-12-15 : MY APOLOGIES TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN COPIES OF THIS PHOTO OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS : IT WAS DRAWN OVER RATHER MORE THAN ONE GLASS OF AN EXCELLENT WHITE WHINE ... +VE & -VE HAD BEEN INTERPOSED - SO I HAVE FIXED THE PHOTO TO CORRECT THIS ... MAY I ALSO STICK IN THIS NEW POEM TO REMIND FOREIGNERS THAT THIS IS " THE WHITE FACTION " TALKING AND THAT HISTORICALLY OUR SYMBOL HAS BEEN " /|\ " AND THAT OUGHT TO BE PUT AT THE CENTRE - THE ONLY SYMBOL VISIBLE HERE IN THIS SKETCH IS " >l< " WHICH BELONGS TO " THE BLACK FACTION " WHOSE ROLE IN THIS MODEL IS TO PATROL THE BOUNDARIES OF THE POLITICAL SPHERE IN ORDER TO CONFRONT THOSE WHO WOULD USE VIOLENCE TO PURSUE THEIR POLITICAL OBJECTIVES I.E. THE SUPPORTERS OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH THEY CALL " THE UNITED KINGDOM " THROUGH WHICH THEY HAVE SET THESE AND MANY NATIONS ELSEWHERE AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS -

- CYMRU A'R BYD !!!


" CYMRU A'R BYD ! " is the slogan of " The White Faction " - /|\ - the Internationalistic Pacificistic Leftic side of " THE REPUBLICANS IN WALES " ( RED, WHITE, GREEN )

( "color=white" doesn't work on this bulletin board's background colour : this is "color=violet" which is close enough to Repwblic's logo of " purple band on white." )


" CYMRU RYDD ! " is the slogan of " THE BLACK FACTION " - >|< - the Nationalistic Militaristic Rightic side of " THE WELSH REPUBLICANS " ( GREEN, RED, WHITE )

WHY SHOULD WALES' REPUBLICAN " LEFTICS " & " RIGHTICS " WANT TO COLLABORATE ? BECAUSE IF THE DRAGON WANTS TO FLY IT WILL NEED BOTH /|\ WINGS >|<

( putting that alternative first line in first - does this now run a bit better, besides rhyming properly ? )

( or ) What is this difference then - between " The Black and White " - ?_
(originally) What is the difference - between " The Blacks and Whites " - ?_
Well ... we're Republican extremists who won't - or want to - fight :_ ( or ) Well ... we're Republican extremists who won't - or will - start fights :_
Obviously " The Blacks " are warriors -_
Whereas " The Whites " are surely worriers -_
But in between these two extremes there are colours - Left and Right.

...

The majority of Republicans we extremists do not favour_
But we share our way of doing things with those who also savour_
Political conversations which are vibrantly Red and Green -_
Orange and Blue - and Purple and Yellow : all colours can be seen -_
There are among us fruits and nuts of every single flavour !

...

What binds us all together then ?_
" Friendship ! " advises Cicero " For if and when_
' Y Repwblic ' is at stake ... _
Then ... the only defences that we can make_
Are in our own relationships - with women and with men."

dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !




http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Green-Imperative-Ecology-Architecture/dp/0500278466 ... at the moment you can get a copy in Wales for 1p + p&p £2.80

Well that was a bit of a waste of time ... in the file that I made it was just possible to read the text of pages 70 - 71 of " The Green Imperative " by Victor Papanek - Thames & Hudson 1995 - isbn 0-500-27846-6 - which is the copy which I picked up for my Winterval reading in a charity shop the other day ... the concluding chapter of this book is called " The New Aesthetic : Making The Future Work " ... well, I guess that these things will take time to catch on ... it is a pity that nobody elected ever listens to such people : as a student in the Welsh School of Architecture in the early 1980s I was caught up in these arguments over the fate of the architectural profession ... and we lost them ... and I think that the legacy of our losing them is going to be a very big bill being bequested to future generations who will not have the economic infrastructure to earn the money to repair the damage : the environmental consequences for Wales of Thatcher-ites and Blair-ites and Foolish-ites are yet to be calculated ... As I was remarking to myself in one of my proems recently ... which clearly needs some attention to its architecture ... you will be kind and forgive me for messing about with this a while ... I hope that you can understand that these proems have recently restored my will to live - and to fight to live ... y bydd eraill yn byw yn y weriniaeth - neu'n well fyth yn " Y Repwblic Yng Nghymru " - ni all gael ei hennill gan drais - nac colli i drais ... bydd eraill yn byw yn y weriniaeth - neu'n well dal i fod yn " Mae Repwblic Yng Nghymru " - na ellir ei hennill gan drais - nac colli i drais ... ( ... you know what ? ... I think that my proems are much better than Google's Welsh translations ... but I much prefer to have my messing around with such things on view in order to discourage younger people seeking leaders and heroes to follow ... but you can copy the martyrs - OK ? )

We are forever blowing bubbles_
& the cost to us constantly doubles_
All this is now denied by The Labourer Parity_
Who created our bane which was called the C B D C :_ ... ... ... Which cursed us with the bane of the " C-B-D-C "
Because between them they created our troubles ...

Democrats are elected on their looks_ ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Democrats are selected all upon their looks_
But Republicans suspect they're cooking their books_ ... ... ... ... But Repwblicans suspect them of cooking up their books_
Our taxes they claim at every each election_ ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Those taxes which they rack up at each of their elections_
Are For providing us with their good protection_ ... ... ... ... ... ... Which they tell us are providing for our families' protections_
But we suspect they're selling small arms to bigger crooks ... ... We suspect are spent on armaments for even bigger crooks ...

Democrats can neither write a letter_
Nor balance expenditure any better_
They employ others to do these tasks_
Whilst practising their various masks_
To secure the votes of all their every debtor ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... To secure their votes from every debtor ...


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Oh yeah - what was I writing about ? ... That diagram on the back of a postcard which I am using for a book-mark - and the passage which it marks ... which is illegible in the photo which I took which I thought would be such a nippy way to serve up a generous helping of professional ethics with plenty of the E numbers included but all of the old salted political chicaneries excluded : i.e. A way of demonstrating the differences between Republicanism and Democracy for those who think that they are exactly the same thing and claim that Republicanism justifies their Democratic Right To Deny The Rule Of Law & Exercise Sovereignty i.e. that even those who know the difference between " Monarchy " and " Royalty " and think that Republicanism means being rid of the latter are in fact simply hoping to seize control of The United Kingdom as a non-political system and to enable themselves to live like kings ... indeed they already do so in this non-elected Aristocracy with its front-men and front-women who merely pratkiss Demockery ... indeed in these times of political correctness we should expect there soon to be all sorts being selected for " No 10 " - excepting of course that - in keeping with the time-hallowed and respectfully maintained traditions of the supporters of this non-political system which they call The United Kingdom - all of their predecessors in the post were already qualified as being disabled on account of their various sorts of mental deformity ... ah ...

... " mental deformity " is what the " Ideo-Rational Analysis " was designed to identify : it was not designed for the purposes of politics but of counselling ...

... more of that later ... I am now going to smoke my last cigarette and then take a shot ... of course I will probably miss ... or shoot myself in the foot ...


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The preceding paragraph on page 69 and the list of questions about " DESIGN ETHICS " at the top of page 70 of Victor Papanek's " The Green Imperative " -

DESIGN ETHICS

The examples above may help to make the connection between the spiritual in design and the intent of the designer but there still remains the question of design ethics.

Before we can honestly address this question, we must first eliminate the red herring of ' professional ethics ' or ' professional codes of conduct.' These are generally rules that some trade group or professional organisation has drawn up to further its own fortunes and eliminate competition between members. They also usually protect the group, or its members, from public scrutiny and criticism. To evaluate whether the ethical rules of the group are really more than a self-protection racket is fairly easy. All we have to do is ask some simple questions :

1 : Is the code of ethics simply self-serving ?

2 : Does the ' code of conduct ' really protect the public ?

3 : Is this code truly regulative, that is, do the members comply with it, and can the public make its own judgments about the compliance of the members ?

4 : Are these rules clear and specific about the possible pitfalls inherent in the particular profession or work performed by its members ?

5 : Can non-members observe and judge compliance with the rules by members, and is it enforceable ?

6 : Is this code of ethics, as well as the group or association, so constructed as to anticipate future changes, and therefore willing to teach, learn and inform its membership as well as the public ?

7 : Can the professional leadership of such professional organisations be made aware that, due to the modern media, we are living in an increasingly transparent society, in which secret deals, whitewashing and stone walling will no longer work ?


With these ' cover your own backside, boys ! " ethics out of the way, we can think about the interaction between design and moral values. ...
[ - skipping two paragraphs - ] ... To think dispassionately about what we design and why, as well as what the eventual consequences of our design intervention may be, is the basis of ethical thinking. It gets easier with practice.

The most direct link between values, creativity, beauty, art and the transcendental is probably demonstrated by Abraham Maslow's seminal writings on the ' hierarchy of values.' The higher motives that Maslow recognizes have to do with self-transcendance and the eventual loss of self that can be experienced at the moment of high artistic creation, the process of invention or during the ecstasy of religious experience. He writes movingly about these ' meta-motivational ' needs that we are all capable of approaching and satisfying. ... "


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https://web.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/complabstuds/confsem/Burnham.htm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-politics ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anti-Politics_Machine ...

THE EASIEST WAY INTO THIS IS THIS PIECE - https://www.psa.ac.uk/psa-communities/specialist-groups/anti-politics-and-depoliticisation/blog/anti-politics-explained

... Now if that sounds a bit loopy to you, you need to understand that when we refer to " White " politics and refer to " The Eye in The Triangle " etc it is in a reference to maintaining a vibrant rainbow of many public political discourses in order to oppose the supporters of the non-political system which they call " The United Kingdom " who strongly object to there being any public political discourse and whatever their supposedly political party they are promoting " de-politicization " whilst shouting and screaming about " British Values " and how anybody who disagrees with their redefinition of " Democracy " are therefore criminals ... and chillingly they are successfully persuading millions to join in with them : morons leading choruses morons in asserting their shared belief in a word which they don't understand ... When we challenge their superstitious use of the word " Democracy " as a shibboleth and we ask them what they mean by it - their faces go Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and - indeed, now we've got a new bunch of reactionary morons joining in - Purple too ( since Farage & Co are now dressing themselves in imperialist colours we need to be especially wary of them here in Wales.) We have witnessed them over our lifetimes - some thirty or rather forty or more years - trying to suppress all public discourses which they do not actually control or effectively direct for their own interests e.g. their idea of religious tolerance is to permit somebody to be a Muslim provided that they agree to believe in " British Values " - and their idea of political tolerance is to permit somebody to be a Communist provided that they agree to believe in Capitalism. Who are " they " - and who are " we " - ? ... The answer should have changed by now but it still - as shockingly still - the same as it was in previous centuries in Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales : yes - they are still in the saddle, despite our patient efforts ...

... " They " are the descendants of The Aristocracy which conspicuously owned Britain and Ireland, The British Empire and also The King of England several centuries ago and which in ferociously opposing the development of a Democracy in the 17c sent the bolder advocates of it - often as convicts - to America where they fought a war against The British Empire in order to secure freedom for ... yes, you've guessed it - those 18c Aristocrats who had been given the American colonies by ... well, not The Native Americans any more than The Native Irish handed over their own fields and burnt down their own cottages to oblige those waving their own army and their own piece of paper, saying that it was a ' letter patent ' from Parliament who had ordered The King of England to sign it thus their payment to The Democrats had entitled them to " The Right of Sovereignty " ...

... Now you might say - " Hold ON - what do you mean by The Democrats in that sentence then ... Surely these were the very same people who opposed The Chartists' demand for Democracy ? " ... Ah ... that is the point - that is what Democracy is ... that is all that Democracy is : it is simply a way of selecting The People Who Do Politics on the basis of popularity - and that is why Democracy is not only a corrupt and non-political system but also will, once introduced, corrupt the whole political system ... The Chartists were indeed Republicans but their plan for revolution was a gradualist one : they wanted to establish adult suffrage as a way to peaceably change society through challenging the political corruption which they identified in the existing non-political system called a Democracy ... i.e. that same non-political system which we are still living with : The Chartists not only never achieved their last political objective of annual parliaments ( which in conjunction with mass suffrage was designed to bankrupt those who were simply bribing the electorate ) they found that those they had enabled to get elected were swiftly corrupted by The Democrats ... The legacy of The Chartists has been The Labour Party and The Cooperative Party and the former has been more or less corrupt from its inception : but there is no hope of reforming either that kind of " them " or any other kind of " them " - none of The Democratic Parties are going to surrender their stolen principle of Sovereignty and submit to The Rule of Law ...

... Now if you do not believe The People on The Left then go and talk to The People on The Right and if you can go and talk to The People in Wales and The World Over and they will tell you the same story - and if they still believe in Demockery they will tell you it with tears running down their faces, bewildered because they are sure that things are not meant to be this way in a Democracy ... WRONG : go and read The Books Of The Republicans of Many Previous Centuries And Millenia - they all said that DEMOCRATS ARE DANGEROUS ... and that they will destroy your society and sell your nation into slavery if they can profit from it unless you have a very strong legal system i.e. " The Rule Of Law " to firmly suppress any of their claims to be licensed to wield The State in a willful and arbitrary way i.e. " Sovereignty " ... The Democrats are " them " because they draw a boundary around themselves in order to practice " Ultraism " i.e. they see those around them negatively, as foes - whereas The Republicans subscribe to " Altruism " and see those around them positively, as friends.

Now how does that relate to what Mr Papanek was describing ... ? ... Or Mr Maslow ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Papanek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow

Life isn't worth living without some ease_
But unemployment does not please_
The United Kingdom Wales will wreck_ ... The United Kingdom is a wreck_
But Y Repwblic is a check :_ ... ... ... ... .. Y Repwblic comes in as if a check_
Demand your bread & also peace - & we'll supply the cheese ... ... So demand your peace & also bread - & we'll supply the cheese ...

dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence - the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright

Life isn't worth living without some ease_
But unemployment doesn't please_
The United Kingdom is a wreck_
Whilst Repwblic's bouncing like a check :_
We are demanding peace & bread - but we'll supply the cheese ...

( ... instead ? )


... & my ethical conclusion from that little rhyme is ... not to write poetry into my mobile at gone 03.00 am : I fumbled it and lost the good version ...

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I STILL DON'T LIKE THAT PROEM YET ... ANOTHER GO ... 24/12/15

Life isn't worth living without some ease_
But unemployment doesn't please_
The United Kingdom is a wreck_
But Repwblic's bouncing like a check_*
So demand your bread & also peace - whilst we supply the cheese ! *


( * Just to explain this to those who do not speak Welsh - " bread & cheese politics " is a Cymricism about conducting campaigns for the very basic neccessities of life i.e. to avoid starvation ( = bread ) and to subsist in some small trivial human comfort ( = cheese ) - " bouncing like a cheque " = a bankrupt / " bouncing like a check " = a firm, resiliant, flexible rule to control the misbehaviour of The Democrats ... & this conjures up ( unsaid ) the idea of " cheques and balances " / " checks and balances " = the financial bankruptcy / political bankruptcy of The United Kingdom ... Cheese = the White sticky stuff first made in Wales c1550 whose recipe was stolen by various other nations which then lacked a sense of humour about it ... )

HOW ABOUT ANOTHER TWEAK AT THAT - ? - 25/12/15

Life isn't worth living without some ease
But our unemployment doesn't please :
The United Kingdom is a wreck
( ... But Repwblic's bouncing - " like a check " ... )
So demand your bread - and a larger peace !

( ... Whilst we supply the cheese ... )

( ... instead ? )

dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence - the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !


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Perhaps a small musical interlude would help those who do not understand these sensibilities of " The White Faction " of " The Republicans in Wales " - and -

LOOK : WILL YOU PLEASE STOP FIGHTING THE PACIFISTS ?

JUST PUT ON SOMETHING PURPLE AND GET ON THE HAPPY BUS !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keOQ1E8aw4g


... You know I was enjoying that - until I noticed the lyrics " Welcome to the Happy Bus_We are so Happy here_Come in - sit down :_Help us burn this big one down ! "

( ... Personally I prefer to stick with " La-LA " ... and I've never liked Mary Jane ... )

I decided upon a further musical interlude - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=3051#3051


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brief detour over into Maslow's life ... a " short cut " as Daf would have it ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow

" Abraham Harold Maslow ( April 1, 1908 – June 8, 1970 ) was an American psychologist who was best known for creating Maslow's hierarchy of needs, a theory of psychological health predicated on fulfilling innate human needs in priority, culminating in self-actualization. Maslow was a psychology professor at Brandeis University, Brooklyn College, New School for Social Research and Columbia University. He stressed the importance of focusing on the positive qualities in people, as opposed to treating them as a "bag of symptoms." ... His family life and his experiences influenced his psychological ideas ... the horrors of war instead inspired a vision of peace in him and this led to his groundbreaking psychological studies of self-actualizing people ... This would be the basis of his lifelong research and thinking about mental health and human potential ... especially the concepts of a hierarchy of needs, meta-needs, meta-motivation, self-actualizing persons, and peak experiences ... Maslow long believed that leadership should be non-intervening ... he rejected a nomination in 1963 to be president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology because he felt that the organization should develop an intellectual movement without a leader. ...

... Later in life, Maslow was concerned with questions such as, "Why don't more people self-actualize if their basic needs are met? How can we humanistically understand the problem of evil ? " ... Humanistic psychologists believe that every person has a strong desire to realize his or her full potential, to reach a level of "self-actualization". The main point of that new movement, that reached its peak in 1960s, was to emphasize the positive potential of human beings ... To prove that humans are not blindly reacting to situations, but trying to accomplish something greater, Maslow studied mentally healthy individuals instead of people with serious psychological issues. He focused on self-actualizing people. Self-actualizing people indicate a coherent personality syndrome and represent optimal psychological health and functioning ... This informed his theory that a person enjoys "peak experiences", high points in life when the individual is in harmony with himself and his surroundings. In Maslow's view, self-actualized people can have many peak experiences throughout a day while others have those experiences less frequently ...

THEN READ THIS LIST OF " SELF-ACTUALISING " PEOPLE'S QUALITIES -


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow#Qualities_of_self-actualizing_people

( which include ) ... Truth ... unadulterated completeness ... Goodness ... honesty ... Beauty ... aliveness ... Wholeness ... interconnectedness ... Dichotomy ... polarities ... Aliveness ... full-functioning ... Unique ... individuality ... Perfection ... everything in its right place ... Necessity : inevitability ... Completion ... fulfillment ... Justice ... fairness ... Order ... lawfulness ... Simplicity ... essential ... Richness ... differentiation ... Effortlessness ... ease ... Playfulness ... amusement ... Self-sufficience ... independance ...

... and the full list on that page includes many of the qualities which Republicans have always aspired to - because Republicanism is about living a full life ...





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

I SUGGEST THAT YOU GO AND READ THAT WHOLE PAGE - BUT NOTE THAT MASLOW'S PYRAMID DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A COINCIDENCE : THESE TRIANGULAR / PYRAMIDICAL ORGANISATION FOR POLITICAL ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN KNOWN FOR CENTURIES & THEY ARE A WELL KNOWN AS SYMBOLS OF REPUBLICANISM ... WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY PLAID CYMRU HAD TO DITCH THE TRIBAN ... AND WHY WE NOT ONLY SNEAKED ONE ONTO THE ROOF OF THE WELSH ASSEMBLY - BUT AS A CONICAL LIBERTY CAP !

PLAID TURNING YELLOW : THE POPPY REPLACING THE TRIBAN - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/25/post424




( OK : I AM NOT A SELF-ACTUALISED PERSON ... BUT I DO MANAGE TO ACHIEVE A CONSISTENT LEVEL IN CONTRADICTING THE DEMOCRATS.)




( A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT IS DESIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE OF REALISING SOCIETY BUT ALSO OF INCREASINGLY LIMITING ITS POWER OVER IT.)

The origins of the The Great Seal were possibly in a 1776 leaflet called " Take Your Choice " by Major John Cartright, which depicted the king at the apex of the pyramid - a traditional view of the exercise of power - and exposed the corruption beneath him. The remedy proposed by the Founding Fathers of The USA was to replace the corruptible sole legislator with an incorruptible one - god, or rather god's legislation as to be experimentally discerned by inquiry of the natural world : The Natural Law.

http://www.historyhome.co.uk/readings/choice.htm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cartwright_(political_reformer)



Modern and Post-Modern Republicanisms have proposed non-pyramidical systems of government but pyramids are very prominent in Republican symbolism ( especially in the Cooperative movement which has its origins in Republicanism.) The early symbolism of " The Republican Hive " was fairly obvious : the workers peaceably go about their benign tasks until they are attacked, in which case they swarm out to defend their society ... thus the popularity of the biblical figure of Samsom is also partially explained : in the episode where he kills the lion ( = a symbol of The United Kingdom marauding The British Empire ) he leaves its carcass ( = Britain and Ireland ) to be colonised by the wild bees ( liberated / un-enslaved workers ) and when he returns is rewarded by the fruits of their labour ... later he himself is captured and enslaved and yet just as he took care of the bees so god then " takes care of him " and - whilst the bees always have their means of defence - in his captivity he is subjected to heavy forced labour by his captors ( - NOT THE MODERN PALESTINIANS ! - ) who thus unwittingly enable Samson to develop the massive strength which is necessary to pull down their temple ( = the government in those ancient Hierocratic societies ) upon their heads ... but also his own ... unfortunately the same story can now be used to justify suicide bombers ... so do not trust such stories to be sources of wisdom : we must take them as a means to usefully entertain ourselves by throwing spanners into the works of our reasonings when they are running suspiciously smoothly - and thus we can prompt ourselves to ask ourselves - and others - some very interesting questions !

" Out of the eater came forth meat and out of the strong came forth sweetness " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_syrup

Another sleepless night, so why not go gollogogluklessling for ' Beehives & Samsons " - the tattoo features " Fortitude " which is card 11 ( or XI ) in the game of Tarot whose origins lie in the game of ' Un-Happy & Over-Ambitious Medieval Aristocratic Families ' which was being played out all around the Mediterranean at that time and as often as not also ended up in it. Therefore it is merely a popular superstition that the cards used in the otherwise deadly game of Tarot can be used for fortune telling ... but one card does feature the alleigatorical character called " Fortuna " who was frequently discussed by Machiavelli because he kept losing large sums of money at cards and jobs at court ( but that was because others considered him to be a very poor Republican.) The game of Tarot is probably based upon Aristotle's " The Politics " in that its four suits are identical to The Four Estates ( Hierocracy, Democracy, Aristocracy & Monarchy ) and it was probably an adaptation of the tarochi card games used to teach children to count which were decorated e.g. with The Four Seasons. Tarot cards were the political equivalent of the modern teaching aids called ' flash-cards ' and medieval courtiers were using them to quickly learn The Rudiments of Renaissance Republicanism's political theories ... or at least they were dying trying ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_(Tarot_card)

Cards XI and VII seem to be interchangeable in Tarot - i.e. the designers perceived ( Justice / Astraea ) and ( Fortitude / Fortuna ) to be equivalents ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_(Tarot_card) ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astraea_(mythology)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortuna ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_(Aristotle) ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli


Note how The National Charter Association's membership card depicts the British lion smashing canons ( = pacificism ) - and breaking all chains beneath a globe ( = anti-imperialism, setting The People in Wales and The World free ) - and The Beehive and The Sheaf ( = symbols of unity and strength in numbers ) are placed over a manufacturing and an agricultural worker - and ( - if your school teachers told you that The Chartists were not actually Republicans and that The Industrial Revolution meant that The United Kingdom peaceably developed into what they also told you is a ' Democracy ' without there being any Republican movement and that there were never any Republican clubs in every city and town - as there were -) - YES : THAT IS A STAFF CLUB & A LIBERTY CAP & THE " RED, WHITE & GREEN " AS A TRIBAND FLAG : THESE WERE BEING OPENLY CARRIED BEFORE THE TREASON FELONY ACT 1848 LICENCED THE TERRORISTS.

I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT PROVENANCE OF THIS TATTOO OF " FORTITUDE " BUT TO ME HER WHITE DRESS AND PURPLISH BELT LOOKS SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE THOSE WORN BY 18c & 19c REPUBLICAN WOMEN WHO WENT DRESSED LIKE THIS TO DEMONSTRATIONS : THE MAGISTRATES OFTEN ORDERED POLICE AND SOLDIERS TO BRUISE AND CUT THESE WOMEN'S FACES IN ORDER TO INTIMIDATE THEM & THEN LATER TO IDENTIFY " THE BRIDES OF THE REPUBLIC " - & APPARENTLY THEY STILL DO ...




Like Samson I am an ass with a jawbone who ... er ... forgets ... um ... facts ? - http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112512/jewish/The-Mighty-Samson.htm

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I am wondering whether to leave " The Joke " in that " Beehives & Samsons " collage ... Personally I enjoy my " Shock & Raw " sense of rumour ... but there is an example of how when the supporters of the non-political system called The United Kingdom can not suppress a popular Republican idea they either try to steal it and use it for their own purposes or to invert and / or pervert its meaning e.g. like their " Royal Purple " and their " The Rule of Law " - and of course this is what is happening right now to " British Values " and " Democracy " and " 'Eds-We-Cash-In - Tales-We-Cash-In - OOPS-STATISTICALLY-YOU-CAN'T-DO-PROBABILITIES-OR-READ-OR-WRITE-LET-ALONE-LEARNT-HOW-TO-BE-A-CITIZEN-BECAUSE-YOU-ARE-OUR-OUR-OUR-Ow!-oW-WoW-WAH-AhAHAAAHHHH-!-MISLEDUCATED-SLAVES-THAT-WE-DEMOCRATS-CAN-ALL-DUPE-YOU-AND-ALL-OF-YOUR-DESCENDENTS-FOREVER - ! - SLAVES ! - SLAVES - ! - SLAVES - !!! - HEE-HEH-HE-He-he-hee-hee-heeee-hee-HAH !!! "

( A good example of The Democrats as Political Kleptarchs was when in 1997 The Cooperative Labour Parliamentary Party - about ~250 people - being totally devoid of any ideas because they refused to listen to about ~250,000 membership - stole the slogan " Education, Education, Education " from The Liberal Party's General Election campaign of 1892 : pretty desperate eh ? ... But then again the Liberal Democrat Party did not even notice this because their membership has never ever been told by their Demokerats what policies they have been fighting any elections upon at all anyway ... )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1892


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not think that enough people have looked at this yet - 166 at the moment - but this is a metaphor for the kind of political system which I think Wales needs -

The Witch's Hat : the playing equipment for politics -
http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1118

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Why should you be offended when I fool around ?_There are very few writers - like me, in Wales - waiting to be found :_You can get up - & just walk away -_If you're getting upset by the things which I say_But I can not escape : for to My Self I am bound = A Republican - called Thomas More -_In comparing Wales & The World - was sure_That no-one wise would dare hazard their_Eternal soul by going - " THERE ? "_& The People in Wales - all agreed with his cure ! = Dear Angel Of The Most High Lord :_Could you please put down your flaming sword ?_For poking me up the arse with it_Won't speed things up one bloody bit -_ IamscribblingasfastasIcan - YOU - #### !!! _EVERY ####### ####### ######## WORD !!! _ ... Sad ... It's true ... :'( ... = Ugh ... I really haven't got the time_To explain in words - or even mime -_My pursuit of all these ideas hazy_Without the blessings of being crazy ... _ ... When I am ... unsleeping ... & ... unwaking ... as ... ... The ... ... Cyclothyme ...zzz...yyy...xxx... ! = The Unbreakable Law we all must keep :_Standing in my private Eden I heard a voice sing - " CHEAP ! "_Within this winter's gathering dusk & beneath its greying sky_I watched two blackbirds courting - & I didn't ask them " Why ? "_The Nomos had spoken through them & so - perchance to dream - I must now sleep. = dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence - The Cyclothyme


Why should you be offended when I fool around ?_
There are very few writers - like me, in Wales - waiting to be found :_
You can get up - & just walk away -_
If you're getting upset by the things which I say_
But I can not escape : for to My Self I am bound

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A Republican - called Thomas More -_
In comparing Wales & The World - was sure_
That no-one wise would dare hazard their_
Eternal soul by going - " THERE ? "_
& The People in Wales - all agreed with his cure !

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Dear Angel Of The Most High Lord :_
Could you please put down your flaming sword ?_
For poking me up the arse with it_
Won't speed things up one bloody bit -_
IamscribblingasfastasIcan - YOU - #### !!! _
EVERY ####### ####### ######## WORD !!! _
... Sad ... It's true ... :'( ...

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Ugh ... I really haven't got the time_
To explain in words - or even mime -_
My pursuit of all these ideas hazy_
Without the blessings of being crazy ... _
... When I am ... unsleeping ... & ... unwaking ... as ... ... The ... ... Cyclothyme ...zzz...yyy...xxx... !


AS MY temporary PARTING REMARK - BECAUSE I AM NOW CALCULATING THAT MY INSANE BODY WILL SOON COLLAPSE IN EXHAUSTION AND SO WILL ALLOW MY VERY SANE MIND TO REST - BEFORE ANYBODY STARTS JUMPING UP AND DOWN SCREAMING THAT " I-RA = IRA !!! " - IT DOES NOT : ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER I NAMED IT I HAD WRITTEN TO THE END OF A LINE WITH " IDEO " AND ON THE NEXT LINE I DASHED OFF THE REST OF THE WORD AS " -RATIONAL " AND SO A VERY BAD JOKE HAD BEEN WRITTEN BY A SERENDIPITOUS ACCIDENT AND IT HAS STUCK ... BECAUSE IT WAS MOSTLY MY PRIVATE JOKE TO MYSELF ... AND BECAUSE I CAN NOT IMAGINE RE-NAMING MY LIFE'S WORK NOW ... TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO THE ORIGINAL TITLE OF THIS COUNSELLING THEORY WAS " THE IDEORATIONAL ANALYSIS " AND ITS ORIGINS LIE IN FRANKL'S " LOGOTHERAPY " AND KELLY'S " PERSONAL CONSTRUCT PSYCHOLOGY." FOR MY PURPOSES FRANKL'S THEORY WAS TOO VAGUE AND IMPRACTICAL WHEREAS KELLY'S THEORY HAS A VERY PRECISELY WORKED OUT PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS AND A VERY PRECISELY WORKED OUT PRACTICAL METHOD - WHICH SUCKS ... FOR MY PURPOSES I NEEDED TO DEVISE A ROUGH AND READY COUNSELLOR'S CHECKLIST, A SORT OF RULE OF THUMB TO ENSURE THAT WHILST PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CLIENTS' PARTICULAR PRE-OCCUPATIONS I WAS NOT ENTIRELY DRAWN INTO THEIR WEIRD BELIEF SYSTEMS WHEN I SUBSUMED THEM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Kelly_(psychologist) ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rogers

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN SUCH THINGS AS UNCONDITIONAL POSITIVE REGARD BECAUSE THE JOB OF THE COUNSELLORS IS TO PROVIDE THE COUNSELLEES WITH AN ENCOUNTER WITH A SYMPATHETIC, PATIENT AND SELF-AWARE FELLOW HUMAN BEING WHO THEN PROVIDES THEM WITH HONESTLY STATED AND INFORMATIVE CRITICAL FEEDBACK. AS COUNSELLORS WE SHOULD NEVER TRY TO REPLACE OUR COUNSELLEES' BELIEF SYSTEMS WITH OUR OWN BUT INSTEAD WE MUST UNDERTAKE THE RISKS OF BEING A GOOD FRIEND TO COMPLETE STRANGERS, DISCLOSING THE RELEVANT PARTS OF OUR OWN BELIEF SYSTEMS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SUCH THINGS COME TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY OTHER PEOPLE - AND DEPLOYING OUR MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF BELIEF SYSTEMS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO EXPLORE THEIR OWN AND CHOOSE HOW TO CHANGE THEM FOR THEMSELVES TO PLEASE THEMSELVES - NOT TO CHANGE THEIR BELIEF SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO PLEASE THEIR COUNSELLORS ! - OR DEMOCRATS !

http://www.survivingtherapistabuse.com/treatment-abuse-checklist/ ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Moussaieff_Masson

I STUDIED SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF COUNSELLING PSYCHOLOGY AND I WAS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE INITIAL APPROACHES TO THE CENTRAL SCHOOL OF COUNSELLING AND THERAPY IN LONDON TO BRING THE ASSOCIATED EXAMINING BOARD ( AEB ) QUALIFICATIONS IN COUNSELLING SKILLS AND COUNSELLING THEORY INTO WALES BECAUSE THE TECHNICAL EDUCATION COUNCIL IN WALES WAS FAILING TO PROVIDE ANY ACCREDITED QUALIFICATIONS FOR COUNSELLING. MY PARTNER AND I BROKE UP SHORTLY AFTER THIS AND SHE CARRIED ON THE BUSINESS AND WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, WHEREAS I WAS SUCKED EVER MORE DEEPLY INTO THE STANDING WAVE OF CRIME PERPETRATED BY THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT IN CARDIFF WHICH PRESENTS ME WITH REGULAR BOUTS OF STRESS WHICH SETS OFF REGULAR BOUTS OF CYCLOTHYMIA, WHICH IS MOST EASILY EXPLAINED BY ARGUING THAT " EVERYBODY IS A CYCLOTHYME " I.E. MOST PEOPLE'S STRESS RESPONSE IS A GENETIC INHERITANCE AND SET AT AROUND THREE DAYS ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_(psychological)

... BUT IF YOU ARE UNLUCKY - LIKE ME ! - AND SUFFER A SWELLING IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THE BRAIN IT CAN RESULT IN ABNORMAL STRESS RESPONSES AND ONE OF THESE IS FOR THE CYCLE OF THE STRESS RESPONSE TO BECOME MUCH LONGER AND TO EVERYBODY CONCERNED TO APPEAR TO BE AN ENTIRELY RANDOM SERIES OF PEAKS AND TROUGHS OF AROUSAL. CYCLOTHYMES ARE NEVER " INSANE " BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE GET VERY ANGRY WITH THEM FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ACT IN A CONSISTENT WAY, AND THAT IS ONE REASON WHY I CHOSE NOT BECOME A COUNSELLOR. THE INCIDENCE OF CYCLOTHYMES IN THE POPULATION IS BELIEVED TO BE AT LEAST 1% BUT THE DIAGNOSIS RATE OF THE CYCLOTHYME POPULATION IS BELIEVED TO BE ONLY - 1% ! I.E. 99% OF CYCLOTHYMES LIVE OUT LIVES OF MISERY AND ARE OFTEN GIVEN ANTI-DEPRESSANTS BY ORDINARY DOCTORS WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE " DEPRESSED " WITH " NEUROTIC SYMPTOMS " WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE EXHAUSTED BECAUSE ANTI-DEPRESSANTS ACTUALLY MAKE CYCLOTHYMIA WORSE : UNDIAGNOSED CYCLOTHYMES ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS OFTEN COMMIT SUICIDE TO ESCAPE THE PHYSICAL PAIN WHICH RESULTS FROM THE PROLONGED BOUTS OF HIGH AROUSAL. IT TOOK ME SIXTEEN YEARS OF BEGGING TO FINALLY GET A DIAGNOSIS AND SO BE ABLE TO REFUSE ANTI-DEPRESSANTS ...

... THE PSYCHIATRIC PROFESSION BELIEVE THAT CYCLO IS BI-POLAR BECAUSE THEY READ THIS THIRTY YEARS AGO IN A BOOK OF BABBLE : THEY GOT A NASTY SHOCK A FEW YEARS AGO BY TRYING TO PUT BOTH DIAGNOSES TOGETHER ON A COURSE WHERE THE CYCLOS AND BI-POLARS PROMPTLY STARTED POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO - AND THAT OUR SYMPTOMS DO NOT MATCH THEIR TEXT BOOKS - AND THEN BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS AND IN FRONT OF THE DOCTORS WE HAD A ROW OVER WHICH CONDITION IS THE WORSE : YES, BI-POLARS WHEN ILL ARE SPECTACULARLY ILL - TYPICALLY SEVERAL YEARS APART IN CONTRAST TO THE UNSPECTACULAR BUT FREQUENT ILLNESS EXPERIENCED BY CYCLOS SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR - WHICH RESULTS IN OTHER PEOPLE THINKING THAT WE ARE EITHER WORKSHY OR STUPID - AND ( EVEN WORSE ) AS IF WE DO NOT QUALIFY AS ILL UNTIL WE KILL ( HAVE YOU EVER DETECTED ME BEING BEING WORKSHY OR STUPID ? AND IF I GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE IN ORDER TO SOLICIT MEDICAL ATTENTION THEY WILL START BLAMING REPUBLICANISM AND LOCK ME UP !!! SO HOW ARE ANY CYCLOS GOING TO GET ANY PROPER MEDICAL ATTENTION ??? ... NO ... I TAKE THAT BACK ... I've had enough thanks ... ) - THE PSYCHIATRIC PROFESSION HAVE VARIOUS UNPROVEN THEORIES ABOUT CYCLO BEING TO DO WITH THE MIND : YES, IT IS IN ONE SENSE - OUR MINDS ARE IN OUR BRAINS AND OUR BRAINS ARE IN OUR BODIES AND OUR BODIES HAVE BEEN ARC-WELDED 0NTO A NON-STOP NEURO-CHEMICAL ROLLER-COASTER ... THE EXTREMELY PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS ARE VERY MUCH LIKE THOSE YOU HAVE WHEN YOU STEP OFF THE ROLLER COASTER WITH THAT SICKENING FEELING YOU GET WHEN HAVE TWO SMALL PINK FRILLY NEICES DRAGGING YOU BACKWARDS BY THE ARMS TOWARDS IT SHRIEKING " EGAYN !!! EGAYN !!! EGAYN !!! ONKOLDOFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED !!! "

P.S. Cyclothymia is not being investigated properly : politically sanctioned medical ignorance in prescribing anti-depressants is probably resulting in adolescent teenagers committing suicide every day ( onset in late puberty may indicate inreased social mobility in young adults - perhaps in their jeans instead their genes : but there is no proper research being done - just the drug-pushers arguing that X may have killed Y but lets try it on Z ! ) - Wikipedia's Cyclothymia page was so irresponsible it annoyed me so I tried to challenge it thus -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACyclothymia#A_personal_Account_of_Cyclothymia


... A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HORRIFIED THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS SO OPENLY - BUT HOW ELSE ARE WE TO CONFRONT THE POLITICAL FACT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO PROPERLY RESEARCH CYCLOTHYMIA BECAUSE IT IS USUALLY TREATED WITH LITHIUM CARBONATE ( I.E. BATH SALTS ! ) AND SO DRUG CORPORATIONS ARE NOT INTERESTED AND THEREFORE THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER WHO ARE BANK-ROLLED TO REPRESENT THESE MODERN ARISTOCRATS WHO ARE NOT INTERESTED : AFTER ALL, WHY SHOULD THESE SUPPORTERS OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED " THE UNITED KINGDOM " CARE AT ALL IF POSSIBLY SOME 700+ CYCLOTHYMES ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE EACH YEAR - SURELY THIS IS MERELY A BONUS GIVEN THAT THEY WERE BOUND TO BE CHRONICALLY ILL LIKE ALL OF THE REST THAT AREN'T BEING DIAGNOSED : WELFARE SCROUNGERS !!! ...

... HAVING COUNSELLED MANY BEWILDERED AND BATTERED YOUNGER PEOPLE - WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CYCLOTHYMES - IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE FOR ME TO CONSIDER THAT ANYBODY IS SANE WHO CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED " THE UNITED KINGDOM " - AND AS FOR DEMOCRACY : YOUR PAIN IS MOTHER NATURE'S GENTLEST WAY OF EXPLAINING TO YOU TO THAT - TO BE HONEST - BANGING YOUR HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL IS STUPID - STOP IT !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Moussaieff_Masson ... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Books/dp/0140259031


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The Unbreakable Law we all must keep :_
Standing in my private Eden I heard a voice sing - " CHEAP ! "_
Within this winter's gathering dusk & beneath its greying sky_
I watched two blackbirds courting - & I didn't ask them " Why ? "_
The Nomos had spoken through them & so - perchance to dream - I must now sleep.

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dai repwblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence - The Cyclothyme
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewd little black bastard ... it is still chanting " CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP " at me ... and sleep has not come - despite drowning in a whole bottle of Merlot ... I bet that he's some re-incarnation of Dafydd ap Gwilym - so she must be either Morfudd or Dyddgu - perhaps he is re-enacting out his own poem " The Blackbird " - " Y Ceiliog Mwyalch " ... try reading -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dafydd-ap-Gwilym-Paraphrases-Palimpsests/dp/1291866809

" ... These 99 paraphrases of the works of the fourteenth century Welsh poet, Dafydd ap Gwilym, explore the extraordinary diversity of his work, from poems inspired by love and nature, through scathing self-examinations and bitter satires, to poems in praise of literary patrons. The style, humour and cadences of Dafydd's work can never be satisfactorily translated, but the interpretations in this volume are a tribute to the genius of the master bard. ( Please note: although the illustrations are in colour in the preview, they are black and white in the printed copy.) ... "

& THIS IS A QUOTATION FROM THE MIDDLE OF DAFYDD AP GWILYM'S ' THE BLACKBIRD ' - ' Y Ceiliog Mwylalch ' - " ... As a rainbow - glistening murray - " ... & FROM THE NOTES - " ... Murray is a material, dark purple in colour, which was used in priestly vestments. ... " ... i.e. there is Dafydd ap Gwilym citing the Roman Republican colour symbolism of more than a thousand years before his time.

- and that is a nice pointer towards the old Republican symbolism : that we are essentially literary people and therefore " Y Llaw Agored " is essentially an inky-fingered hand-print ... and there are lots of instances of Republican symbolism featuring a black symbol upon a white background - but the most important was " The Sign of The Black Spread Eagle at The West End of St Pauls " which was the " address " of Giles and Elizabeth Calvert's printing shop in Lombard Street in London : their establishment was the epicentre of 17c Republicanism in England and Wales and we would not exist now if they had not defied Oliver Cromwell ... " The Sign of The Black Spread Eagle " was the symbolic remnant of " The Holy Roman Empire " - perhaps a strange contradiction in an officially Protestant realm ... but an important historical mental link to The Republicans in Rome : and then something bizarre happened ... " The Sign of The Black Spread Eagle " became the headquarters of Barclays Bank in the days before there were street numbers and their letter-head was therefore not " 54 Lombard Street " but a picture of the sign itself which became the symbol or logo of Barclays Bank on every High Street in Wales ... bizarre or what - that one of the biggest of all modern capitalist institutions has forgotten its radical origins in the printing house and meeting place of The Levellers, The Diggers, The Ranters and The Quakers ? ... The Nazis also used " The Sign of The Black Eagle " as part of proclaiming that " The Holy Roman Empire " was the precursor to " The Third Reich " and recently this upset The Netherlands where Barclays Bank founded their European headquarters with " The Black Spread Eagle " proudly displayed : The Dutch were pretty offended and Barclays decided to change the colour of " The Black Spread Eagle " to blue ... so taste the irony of this once widely shared Republican symbol being turned into the private property of a global corporation - by reading the words of William Erbery, the best-selling radical Welsh author of the 17c who advocated a society founded upon friendship not property :

" God will find a way to feed the poor out of the bellies of the rich, who shall not only make restitution according to their substance, but shall vomit up all that they have swallowed " ... " These kinds, with their Nobles, Lords, and Dukes, all proceed from a cursed pedigree " ... " Ease the oppressed of their burdens, release the prisoners from their bonds, and relieve poor Families with bread by a publick stock " ... William Erbery's pamphlets had title pages like " THE ARMIES DEFENCE or God guarding the Camp of the Saints " ( 1648 ) ... " THE MAD MANS PLEA " ( 1653 ) ... " THE NORTH STAR or Some NIGHT-LIGHT Shining in NORTH WALES " ( 1653 ) ... " THE MAN OF PEACE OR The Glorious appearance of the great GOD in his People RISING AS THE MAN OF WAR TO WASTE THE ASSYRIAN, THAT IS, THE MIGHTY OPPRESSOR OR Enemy to our Peace BEING A Second Olive-Leaf " ( 1654 ) ... ahem ... some mixed messages there I think* - anyway ... many of his title pages have at the bottom of such things as THE ARMIES DEFENCE " LONDON, Printed by T.N. for Giles Calvert at the fign of the black-fpread-Eagle at the west end of Pauls, 1648."


[ * " I WILL JUST BUNG IN A SHORT ADDITIONAL NOTE TO THE ABOVE !!! " - I love those old fashioned titles - " THE MAN OF PEACE OR The Glorious appearance of the great GOD in his People RISING AS THE MAN OF WAR TO WASTE THE ASSYRIAN, THAT IS, THE MIGHTY OPPRESSOR OR Enemy to our Peace BEING A Second Olive-Leaf " ( 1654 ) - but finding out exactly what William Erbery was advocating is difficult because he belongs to the very last days of Renaissance Republicanism ( 1450 - 1650 ) when the only political text book available to most of The People in Wales was Y Beibl : many modern people think that such 17c writers are indulging themselves in mystic mumbo-jumbo but cheaper bigger books introducing the Roman and Greek words into Welsh and English that we take for granted today will not be published for another fifty or so years after this. Erbery's religious jargon was addressing others who shared his 17c religio-political discourse but this itself is failing to provide suitable ideas with which to successfully lay the foundations of The Commonwealth ( = an older word for ' republic ' ) in the aftermath of the chaos of the multiple wars which had surged across first Ireland then Scotland then England and finally Wales. These were the supporters of the President of the Commonwealth John Bradshaw - " the man who killed the king " - who at this point is about to be overthrown by Oliver Cromwell - " the man who would be king " - after which The Commonwealth ceased to be that in all but name and was basically ruled for five years by Cromwell's close friends and his own family : as an Aristocrat - whose family had originated from near Cardiff ( and Erbery may have been a relative of Cromwell ) and had changed its name from Williams to Cromwell in England - Oliver secured these personal political alliances using marriages e.g. he used his sister Catherine to make Colonel John Jones ( Sion ap Sion ) loyal before he sent him to Ireland : Sion ap Sion had opposed the overthrow of President John Bradshaw and his replacement by the puppet president - oh ! - bugger ... Henry Lawrence, M.P. for Carnarvonshire, who apparently tried to run The Commonwealth by consulting with angels and by exhorting people to be baptised in the spirit not in the flesh and ... other things ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jones_Maesygarnedd ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lawrence_(President_of_the_Council)

... Well - you can probably see why The People were pleased to see The King come back ... and also why " Religious Republicanism " was soon to be replaced by " Philosophical Republicanism " - but if you really want to understand Harrington, Hobbes and Locke etc you have got to try understand people like William Erbery. So I reached for John I Morgans' " The Honest Heretique " which contains passages from the aforementioned text ... thinking that Erbery would be arguing something like the " The Whites will turn into Blacks if you insist on pushing them into The Shit " argument but .. no .. Pharoah = The King .. The Assyrians = The Parliament .. they oppressed The People, hunting them down as prey .. by example, their corruption spread into the rest of society .. the result was war and then chaos ensued, with widows and orphans homeless and starving - whom Erbery appeals on behalf of .. The King and The Aristocracy must be bound in chains [ of the law ] in order to secure the peace necessary to conduct a civil discourse to decide the moral and ethical basis of The Commonwealth i.e. The Republic ... You probably would not understand that if you actually read it : lots of our self-appointed superiors dismiss these 16c and 17c writers as " pre-modern " but they were discussing exactly what we discuss with the most up to date ideologies of their day - as we do - and getting it only half right - as we do ... being sniffy about 17c theo-political theories is on the same level as declaring that you can not discuss politics in some inferior language like Welsh i.e. this was asserted in the past because the laws compelled the use of English in political discourse so ignorant people assumed that nobody was talking about politics in Welsh because as supposedly a peasants' language it was no use for this purpose ... to read the political literature of another nation you have to learn their language, and 17c Wales really is another nation which uses both Welsh and English in ways unintelligable to us - but ' unintelligable ' does not mean ' unintelligent ' but 'not understood ' ...

... and likewise The Democrats in Wales and Westminster ought to read the political literature being written and learn the language of those dependent in varying degrees upon welfare instead of dismissing them as ' unintelligent ' - and as for the poor and conventionally ill-educated ' not having our sophisticated gasp of politics ' ... to what degree is your family's welfare subject to the capricious whims of The Democrats : how often have you been the victim of their cruel calculations as to how they will sell so many thousands of other people's families' futures in order to bribe those few more voters which will provide the margin that they deem is necessary to get themselves elected - again ? - Why do you continue believe in the claims of The Democrats when you know that Democracy is hurting you - and that now that we have got even more Democracy it is hurting us even more : the only people telling you how wonderful Democracy is are Democrats - and what what is more The Democrats are now insisting that those who disagree with them and complain about such things as their bombing foreigners are indeed jolly worse than foreigners because the rest of us must therefore be traitors for even daring to think that " Sovereignty " is not a political principle a principle at all but merely a pretentious medieval excuse for The Democrats breaking all of those laws which The Republicans keep ... ( latter paragraph added 03-01-16 )

THIS " POST SCRIPT " DAF WOULD CALL " A SHORT CUT " ... BUT DO YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU FLATTEN WALES OUT IT TURNS OUT TO BE MUCH SMALLER THAN WALES ?


THANK GOD THE PRINTING CO-OP " CALVERTS " STILL REMEMBER THIS - http://www.calverts.coop/co-operative/at-the-sign-of-the-black-spread-eagle

Radical seventeenth century publishers during the English Civil war, purveyors of 'soul-poysons', members of the sect My One Flesh, imprisoned for printing books such as Richard Overton's The last warning to all the inhabitants of London and Lawrence Clarkson's ‘impious and blasphemous’ book A single eye - all light, no darkness, the Calverts operated from their print shop at the Sign of the Black Spread Eagle at the west end of St Paul's Churchyard in London, currently 54 Lombard Street.

" ... Giles Calvert published Levellers', Diggers', Ranters', Quakers' and many other radical religious and political leaflets and suffered for it once governmental authority re-established itself. All of these publications would have stated their origins at the Black Spread Eagle so the association would have been made at that time with radicalism. His wife, Elizabeth Calvert, continued the work on a secret printing press after his death, and eventually the premises passed through several hands until it became the headquarters of what was to become Barclays Bank. ... "


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harri_Webb ... While in Merthyr Tydfil, Webb lived in Garth Newydd, an old house that had been given to the town during the Depression, and subsequently seemingly belonged to nobody; when Webb first moved in it was occupied by a group of pacifists. He lived in the house with Meic Stephens and others, and it became almost a nationalist commune ... Webb's poetry is marked by his radical Welsh nationalist politics and a quasi-Christian sensibility. In form it was often simple and comic, in order that it might influence a wide audience.

Of course " The Black Faction " don't like the idea that there is such a thing as " The Black Eagle " for " The White Faction " to counter-change ( black onto white ) the heraldic flag created by the Welsh Republican Movement's Harri Webb ( apparently originally for a pageant or play ? ) which was then adopted but adapted into that dramatically successful simple symbol - >|< - by the Free Wales Army and is still now being used by groups like Balchder Cymru and Hawliau - but before even that both of these ancient heraldic eagle symbols - black and white - had long genuine histories possessed of a deep antiquity in Europe : so just pick the one you like !!! ... Or even better : ditch symbols altogether - they are merely tribal markings not political arguments ... but ... then again ... well, you probably know that I enjoy researching flags and occasionally make up historical ones for various purposes like " YR ARDYSTIAD " but I am disinclined to display them unless they are placed in a context which has a strictly defined meaning - not that we can prevent anything being warped by The Western Mail - but otherwise flags are just FUN - and you can have fun with them too because - THE EAGLES BELONG TO THE PEOPLE - THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY - NOR ARE ANY SYMBOLS IN ANY CULTURE !

THE " BLACK SPREAD EAGLE " SIGN WHICH DENOTED 54 LOMBARD STREET, LONDON - WHEN IT WAS THE MEETING PLACE OF 17C REPUBLICANS -

http://www.calverts.coop/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/black-spread-eagle1.jpg



... but perhaps Dafydd ap Gwilym's description of a soulful loving blackbird is altogether better than any eagle : because this bird was his metaphor for his beloved ? ... He was damned good at metaphors you know ... But nobody will never know what he met her for ...

http://www.dafyddapgwilym.net/eng/3win.htm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dafydd_ap_Gwilym

( I'm typo'ing the following morning ) ... In terms of Republicanism in Wales, Dafydd ap Gwilym's praise of Ifor ap Hael hospitality and generous nature was taken for inspiration by Iolo Morgannwg and others to found " The Ivorites " which was once just one of the wide-spread working class friendly societies which were the fore-runners of The Welfare State and which provided for poorer people against unemployment, sickness, injury, funerals, widows and orphans - and for suing the wealthier people : the fact that many were founded and run by Republicans in Wales led to much hostility towards them for ' leading The People astray ' ... conspiracy theorists like to associate The Freemasons with Republicans in Wales but actually Freemasons were very much allied to The Monarchy and The Aristocracy and were consequently left alone : I understand that it was The Oddfellows who were the most widely suspected of sedition, more or less because they were led by people who were working class ... but it was The Ivorites which definitely and emphatically openly declared their Republican credentials by associating themselves with the bardic and druidic fantasies which Iolo Morganwg wove around Dafyd ap Gwilym and Ifor ap Hael ... and if you have been wondering about what sources I draw on when I talk of " Republicanism in Wales " it is particularly from this latter part of Neo-Classical Republicanism ( 1650 - 1850 ) because it is less about the philosophers re-inventing it and more about how ordinary people implemented it, creating a more widespread and richer political culture expressed in songs, poems, novels, music, paintings, prints - and some really brilliantly imaginative acts of defiance towards the criminals who controlled the country then - and now ... and please remember : we are the descendants of those lovely lively beautifully funny and compassionate people ... and we are rather letting our side down a bit at the moment ... aren't we ?

" Yr Iforiaid " - " Cyfeillgarwch, Cariad a Gwirionedd "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philanthropic_Order_of_True_Ivorites

The Order of True Ivorites was founded by Thomas Robert Jones (1802-1856) and was named after Ifor Hael, one of Dafydd ap Gwilym's patrons. The society's motto was ' Cyfeillgarwch, Cariad a Gwirionedd ' ( English: Friendship, Love and Truth,) and was the only friendly society which conducted its business exclusively in Welsh. As well as helping the poor and needy, the order furthered the Welsh language through organising local Eistedfoddau.

The Laws and Regulations of the Order, published in 1839, states that the True Ivorites Society is an institution ' to encourage the Welsh language, to preserve its members as far as possible from want.' The laws also stated that ' all books and accounts belonging to this Society be kept in the Welsh Language.' These laws were then amended in 1858, when the ruling regarding the usage of Welsh stating that the secretaries of the lodges should be competent in record keeping in both English and Welsh. This reflects the competition from other societies and the change in the number of Welsh speakers in Glamorgan during the later nineteenth century.

The Ivorites, along with fellow friendly society the Oddfellows, were especially strong in Glamorgan, and survived well into the twentieth century. The societies were often a substitute for trade unions, but were never a threat to the union's existence and the unions tended to grow out of the activities of the friendly societies.

Although not a secret society the Ivorites had their own handsigns and handshakes which were published in a booklet.

[ P.S. NOTE HOW CLOSELY FIGURE NO.8 RESEMBLES " Y LLAW AGORED " - THIS I FEEL IS YET MORE EVIDENCE OF THE ORIGINAL AND GENUINE ETHOS OF REPUBLICANISM IN WALES : OPEN HANDED GENEROUS FRIENDSHIP IN THE SPIRIT OF IFOR HAEL, WHICH IS WHY HE WAS CHOSEN FROM WELSH HISTORY AS THE PERSON TO EMULATE - BY IOLO MORGANNWG : SEE MY DISCUSSION OF " Y LLAW AGORED " HERE -

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=477 ]




http://www.users.ic24.net/~terrynorm/ivorites.htm

" Ammanford's Hall Street takes its name from the Ivorites Hall, built by the grandly named 'Philanthropic Order of True Ivorites, St David's Unity, Friendly Society', whose even grander motto was: 'Cyfeillgarwch, Cariad a Gwirionedd' (Friendship, Love and Truth). This was one of the many Friendly and Mutual Societies that sprang up in the nineteenth century, working men's self-help groups that were the forerunners of our modern building societies, insurance companies and trades unions. The Ivorites Order had been established in Wrexham in 1836 by Thomas Robert Jones ('Gwerfulyn', 1802-1856) and it was the only Working Men's Society which was exclusively Welsh.

The Ivorites were named after Ifor Hael (Ivor the Generous) who had been the patron of Dafydd ap Gwilym (David son of William), the 14th century poet, and he lived at Bassaleg, Monmouthshire. In 1838 the St David's Lodge in Carmarthen was formed with powers to act as the principal lodge for the Order in South Wales but by 1840 there was a split in the Ivorites movement and Thomas Robert Jones lost control. The Carmarthen lodge was the chief lodge in Wales until 1845 when the central office moved to Swansea (and where there are still two public house called The Ivorites to this day). The Ivorites had firm rules for its members regarding morals and behaviour; it also nurtured the Welsh language, and during its golden years between 1840 and 1870 there was hardly a year without an Ivorite Eisteddfod. This cultural activity puts the movement in a special category, and assisting the poor and needy was not its only purpose.

... When the Welfare State, along with various commercial organisations, took over these and similar roles in the twentieth century, most Friendly and Mutual Societies were doomed, forced to adapt or die. Our modern Building Societies, Insurance Companies and Trades Unions are the direct descendants of those who obeyed the Darwinian imperative and adapted – think of the number of modern insurance companies and former Building Societies who have the word 'Friendly', 'Mutual' or 'Union' in their titles. The Ivorites didn't, or wouldn't change, and on the 31st of December 1959, after a dissolution vote of 922 members for and 25 members against, the Ivorites ceased to exist."

THIS IS IN BLUE because clearly I wanted to take a short cut - and inserted this unexpectedly long rant a couple of days after the above ... [ WHICH WITH HINDSIGHT WAS A DISASTROUS DECISION BY THE IVORITES - ALTHOUGH AN INEVITABLE ONE IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE THE SOCIALISTS THOUGHT THAT THE PROVISION OF WELFARE TO THE POOR WOULD BE BETTER ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE APPARATUS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM : THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN THE FUNDS RAISED FROM TAXATION TO THESE VERY EXPERIENCED AND LONG-ESTABLISHED BUT UNDER-FUNDED FRIENDLY SOCIETIES TO DISPENSE TO THE PEOPLE IN NEED ... BUT THE SOCIALISTS FONDLY IMAGINED THAT THEY WERE WITNESSING THE DAWN OF THEIR BRAVE NEW STATE SOCIALISM AND THAT THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH IS " THE UNITED KINGDOM " WHICH SERVES THE INTERESTS OF THE MODERN ARISTOCRACY AND THE MODERN MONOCRACY COULD INSTEAD BE MADE TO SERVE THEIR INTERESTS ...

... NOTE - " THEIR INTERESTS " - THE LABOUR & COOPERATIVE PARTY SUBSCRIBE TO EXACTLY THE SAME POLITICAL NON-PRINCIPLE THAT THE CONSERVATIVE & UNIONIST PARTY, THE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PARTY AND PLAID CYMRU DO - SOVEREIGNTY : ALL OF THEM ASPIRE TO BE ELECTED TO MANAGE THE PEOPLE ON BEHALF OF THOSE WHO OWN THEM - TO MISQUOTE EISENHOWER SLIGHTLY - " THE MONOCRATIC-ARISTOCRATIC-DEMOCRATIC-HIERARCHIC COMPLEX " OR TO PUT THAT INTO A SINGLE WORD - " THE ULTRAISTS " - THOSE WHO ARE " BEYOND THE BOUNDARY " OR - TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY AND MORE ACCURATELY - " THOSE WHO HAVE CUT THEMSELVES OFF FROM THE REST OF SOCIETY AND REFUSE TO SEE THEMSELVES AS PART OF THE PEOPLE - WHO VIEW THE PEOPLE AS PREY AND ASSERT THE NON-PRINCIPLE OF SOVEREIGNTY I.E. BEING BEYOND THE BOUNDARY OF THE STATE, NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY PREY UPON - BANDITS WHO REFUSE TO ACCEPT " THE RULE OF LAW " - " NOMOCRACY " WHICH IS THE CENTRAL PRINCIPLE OF REPUBLICANISM : HENCE THE INVERTED NATURE OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED THE UNITED KINGDOM - THAT THESE CRIMINALS HAVE CONSTRUCTED IT AS A VAST PRISON FOR THOSE WHO ARE LAW ABIDING ...

... THINK OF IT THIS WAY : ANY OTHER KIND OF CUSTOMER CAN - AT LEAST IN THEORY - HOLD ANY SUPPLIER OF GOODS AND SERVICES TO ACCOUNT BEFORE THE LAW FOR EVEN - IN THEORY - THE MOST TRIVIAL THINGS ... THE GOVERNMENT OF A COUNTRY IS NOT A TRIVIAL THING : WHEN ANY INDIVIDUAL MAKES A MISTAKE THE OVERALL CONSEQUENCES ARE TRIVIAL - BUT WHEN THAT PERSON IS DIRECTING THE STATE TO MAKE A MISTAKE THE OVERALL CONSEQUENCES MAY BE CATASTROPHIC FOR NOT ONLY THE MILLIONS DIRECTLY RULED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM BUT ALSO FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ELSEWHERE BECAUSE IT RULES ON BEHALF OF THE GLOBAL CORPORATIONS WHOSE ORIGINS LIE IN THE MEDIEVAL COMPANIES OF THE CITY OF LONDON ... SOVEREIGNTY IS THE NON-PRINCIPLE OF THERE BEING NO CONSEQUENCES AT LAW - AND THAT IS WHY NONE OF " THE ULTRAISTS " ARE WILLING TO SURRENDER IT ...

... IN THE CASE OF THE DEMOCRATS WHOSE ONLY QUALIFICATION FOR THE MOST RESPONSIBLE JOBS IN OUR SOCIETY IS THAT THEY CAN SUCCESSFULLY PERSUADE THE OTHERS TO VOTE FOR THEM - BASICALLY WITH BRIBES AND THREATS AND BABY-MOLESTING - INCOMPETENCE IN GOVERNMENT IS THE NORM AND THEREFORE THE ASSERTION THAT THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE IS AXIOMATIC ... AND OF COURSE THEY WISH TO GET RE-ELECTED IN ORDER TO CARRY ON BEING IRRESPONSIBLE SO AN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE ADHERED TO BY ALL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS IS SECRECY : IF PEOPLE CAN NOT EVEN FIND OUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING THEN THEY WILL NOT EVEN THINK OF SUING YOU ... WHAT THE DEMOCRATS DO IS DECEIVE YOU AS TO THE NATURE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM ... BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER A COUNTRY IS DEMOCRATIC OR DEMOCKERATIC THERE IS AN EASY TEST : WHAT IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF ITS WEALTH LIKE ? ...

... THE IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY OF INTEREST WHICH ACTUALLY POSSESSES POWER IN A SOCIETY IS REVEALED IN THE LAWS BEING PASSED BY THE GOVERNMENT THAT IT CONTROLS : DESPITE THE IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM IS PERIODICALLY OF THE " LEFT " AND THEN OF THE " RIGHT " THE LAWS ALL PARTIES PASS ARE MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH THE AFFAIRS OF GLOBAL CORPORATIONS - AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH IN TERMS OF BOTH FINANCE ( MONEY AND CREDIT, BASED ON ACCOUNTING ) AND REAL ECONOMICS ( GOODS AND SERVICES THAT ENABLE SOCIETY TO FLOURISH ) HAS BEEN DECLINING FOR DECADES ... THE UNITED KINGDOM IS A MONOCRACY - NOTE MY BEGINNING TO OPT FOR THIS TERM " MONOCRACY " IN ORDER TO DISENTANGLE " MONARCHY " FROM " ROYALTY " - REMEMBER PLEASE THAT " ROYALTY " MERELY DEFINES A MINORITY ETHNIC GROUP ( WHO DESERVE OUR SYMPATHY AND SUPPORT AS OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS - AND A LOT OF PSYCHOTHERAPY ONCE WE HAVE LIBERATED THEM ) SO WE ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUEEN BEING THE FIGUREHEAD OF THE SHIP OF STATE - WHAT OFFENDS REPUBLICANS IS THE BATTLE SHIP BEHIND HER WHICH AS THE FIGUREHEAD SHE IS NAILED TO THE FRONT OF ... THE BAD SHIP " SOVEREIGNTY " ...

... IF THE IDEA OF SPRINKLING OIL OVER THE NEXT KING OR QUEEN OF ENGLAND IN ORDER TO CONFER " SOVEREIGNTY " WAS PICTURESQUELY CONFINED TO THE CORONATION CEREMONY AND THIS MEDIEVAL THEOLOGICAL IDEA WAS NOT ALLOWED INTO MODERN POLITICS THEN REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT GENERALLY BE TOO BOTHERED BY THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF ROYALTY AS IT IS - AFTER ALL, ONCE ROYAL " SOVEREIGNTY " CAN NOT USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR GOVERNMENTS PLACING THEMSELVES - OR ANYBODY - BEYOND THE RULE OF LAW THEN " ROYALTY " CEASES TO BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE FOR REAL REPUBLICANS ... OF COURSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE WHO HATE THE QUEEN ETC AND WHO CLAIM TO BE " REPUBLICANS " BECAUSE THEY " BELIEVE IN A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY " - BUT THE CLUE THERE IS IN THOSE TWO WORDS : REAL REPUBLICANS ARE ALTRUISTS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO META-IDEOLOGICAL THEORIES WHICH DESCRIBE EXISTING SOCIETIES AND PROPOSE HOW TO MAKE THEM BETTER OR ENDURE THEM GETTING WORSE ... WHEREAS REAL DEMOCRATS ARE ULTRAISTS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO IDEOLOGICAL I.E. SECTARIAN THEORIES WHICH DESCRIBE EXISTING SOCIETIES AS THEIRS TO RANSACK - AND THEN RUN ... " DEMOCRACY " IS NOT ONLY " NOT REPUBLICANISM " BECAUSE IT INVOKES THE NON-POLITICAL PRINCIPLE OF " SOVEREIGNTY " I.E. DEMOCRACY IS SIMPLY ANOTHER ULTRAISM LIKE MONOCRACY, ARISTOCRACY AND HIEROCRACY ( AND DEMOCRACY TYPICALLY PROVES TO BE PLUTOCRACY IN DISGUISE.)

... FLOGGING OFF THE FAMILY HEIRLOOMS CHEAPLY AND THEN RUNNING IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS IN WESTMINSTER HAVE RECENTLY DONE WITH THE LEGACIES OF ALL OF THOSE FRIENDLY SOCIETIES WHICH THE PEOPLE STRUGGLED TO SCRIMP AND SAVE TO CREATE : SCHOOLS & UNIVERSITIES, HOSPITALS & NURSING HOMES, SICKNESS & UNEMPLOYMENT SCHEMES, THE TRUSTEE BANKS & BUILDING SOCIETIES, INSURANCE & PENSION SOCIETIES ETC : SOME OF THESE SOCIAL INSTITUTIONS WERE CREATED AS FAR BACK AS THE 16C - ALL TRASHED BY THE DEMOCRATS ... BUT WHY ? ... BECAUSE THEY COMPETE TO SERVE THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM CALLED THE UNITED KINGDOM I.E. THEY SERVE THE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST WHICH IT IS DESIGNED TO SERVE ... AND DOWN HERE IN AMONGST THOSE ASPIRING TO BE THE LUMPEN-PROLETERIAT IT LOOKS VERY MUCH AS IF THE APPARENT FINAL VICTORY OF SOCIALISM POST WW2 WAS A CUNNING PLAN : THE FRIENDLY SOCIETIES WERE CONCERNED WITH THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE AND GETTING THEM OUT OF AN AWFUL STATE - WHEREAS THE WELFARE STATE IS CONCERNED WITH KEEPING THEM IN AN AWFUL STATE AND IS NEITHER SOCIABLE NOR FRIENDLY TO THE PEOPLE ...

... GIVEN THE WAY IN WHICH THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALL AGREED AMONGST THEMSELVES ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO GIVE THE RICH SUBSIDIES WHILST MAKING THE POOR SUBSIST IT LOOKS VERY MUCH AS IF THIS WAS EITHER A CUNNING PLAN ON BEHALF OF THE GLOBAL CORPORATIONS TO ENSLAVE THE WHOLE OF OUR SOCIETY THROUGH MAKING EVERYBODY DEPENDENT UPON WELFARE OF SOME SORT - OR THIS REFLECTS THE COLLECTIVE SHARED OPINION OF THESE MIDDLE CLASS PROFESSIONAL DEMOCRATS WHO BENEFIT FROM THIS AND CAN NOT BE CHALLENGED - LET ALONE STOPPED - BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN WALES CONTINUE TO THINK THAT SOVEREIGNTY MEANS " SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE QUEEN " - NO ! - IT MEANS " PARLIAMENT HAS LEGISLATED ITSELF TO BE ABOVE THE LAW - OBEY THIS LAW ! " ... THEREFORE I DO NOT THINK THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM IS A FAILURE OF POLITICAL DESIGN - IT IS DESIGNED TO BE A POLITICAL FAILURE.

[ NOW IF YOU THINK THAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE A CONSPIRACY THEORY CONSIDER THE RECENT RULING IN THE USA WHICH ALLOWS THE GLOBAL CORPORATIONS TO FUND THEIR POLITICAL PARTIES : HENCE NOT DEMOCRACY BUT ARISTOCRACY NOW CONTROLS THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM - AND IN THE MATTER OF GUANTANAMO BAY THE AMERICAN'S NOT-SO-SUPREME COURT WAS OVER-RULED BY THEIR MONOCRACY AND SO THE RULE OF LAW - THE FOUNDATION STONE UPON WHICH THEIR SECOND PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS ERECTED HIS DESIGN FOR THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - IS NOW BROKEN.
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I was not entirely sure where I was going with this thread after a while - I never ever am - but Repwblic is still as we first declared it to be : that you can read " Conversations with Wales' Republicans " and get an idea of how we talk and what we talk about - or at least how those who write here do ... I think that where " The Angel of The Most High Lord " is prodding me to go now is back Victor Papanek's book and I think that to be a practitioner of Republicanism is a lot like practicing Architecture : it is the business of providing for others, not for ourselves ... it is the business of our collectively joining ourselves together to create a society fit for the future of our nation to be born into - just as we create buildings to live in and get married and work together to create a home for our own children to be born into ... for - as a house is not a home until a family live within it and make it into a place of safety and comfort such that they can feel that it is secure for their future children to be born into - so is a country is merely a piece of geography until a society has made it into a place of safety and comfort such that we can feel that it is secure for our future children to be born into ... and we need to do this now ... because the demographic crisis is over three decades under way and this means that we urgently need to restore " the stream of births " - which is my usual definition of " nation " ...

... The Latin word " nationem " is usually translated as " that which has been born " - so it does not a racial or ethnic identity, nor a language or a culture - but words like " natus " derived from this Latin root " nat- " also carry another sense, not directly found in modern English " nature " and modern Welsh " natur," which is that of " raising, dawning, starting " ... and there is a strong sense of this forward-looking aspect of the root " nat- " in the backward looking " nationem " which therefore not only implies looking back to " being born together " but also implies looking forwards to " growing together." Now is that a more Republican conception of the meaning of what it means to be a " nation " - not to find yourself arguing over something un-real conceived as a possession like a birth certificate or passport ( as if you actually wanted to be the property of some government granting these things ! ) but to find yourself instead arguing over something real : your relationships with others - and that is why this is a more Republican conception of what it is to be " a nation " - and this is why Republicans do not like " Nationalists " because they deal in identity based politics and therefore prescribe imagined relationships which other people ought to have, shouting very loudly about reviving their languages and culture yet thus destroying the social relationships which support the authentic existences of the things they say that they want to save. Probably the worst example of this is in Ireland but in Wales the clear and present danger is that Cymraeg will end up like Gaedhilge

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In " The People V The Government Of Wales "_Our prosecution papers will be bundled into bales_& then we will solemnly weigh the evidence_Of our convictions about their incompetence_& knowing Community Service fails_( with them )_We'll simply have to build more jails = Why are we sitting here ( are we waiting for some miracles ? )_Whilst we now are witnessing them legislating manacles :_Re-making laws long proven wrong_Like jailing people for a song ?_To read these signs of their designs_We don't need their bloody spectacles = " Sovereignty " licences " legalised " crime _But " The Rule Of Law " has now called " TIME !!! "_& so the Parliamentary bars must now all be ended :_The Democrats' licenced hour must not be extended_Beyond that which we'll allow for thinking up
pretended_Solutions to their problem which reject our paradigm = Each nation grows from out of a plot that's_Diversely planted each year with new brats_All growing together from their wind blown seeds -_The Black Rye & The White Wheat & The Colourful Weeds -_& those who try to reap them are bitten by the gnats = [ I REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT LAST ONE BECAUSE I WAS ENAMOURED OF THE IDEA OF WORKING TOWARDS ENDING WITH " THE HOVERING GHOSTS OF GNATS " WHICH IS A ZOO-OLOGICAL TERM LIKE " A PARLIAMENT OF CROOKS " = THERE IS ALSO THE OLD NORTH / SOUTH DIVIDE IN THERE : AN 18c SNIFFY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SWEET WHITE BREAD EATEN BY HWNTWS & BITTER BLACK BREAD EATEN BY GOGS : WHEAT NEEDS A WARM CLIMATE & FERTILE SOIL - RYE GROWS WHERE WHEAT DIES. ]


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In " The People V The Government Of Wales "_
Our prosecution papers will be bundled into bales_
& then we will solemnly weigh the evidence_
Of our convictions about their incompetence_
& knowing Community Service fails_
( with them )_
We'll simply have to build more jails

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Why are we sitting here ( are we waiting for some miracles ? )_
Whilst we now are witnessing them legislating manacles :_
Re-making laws long proven wrong_
Like jailing people for a song ?_
To read these signs of their designs_
We don't need their bloody spectacles

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" Sovereignty " licences " legalised " crime _
But " The Rule Of Law " has now called " TIME !!! "_
& so the Parliamentary bars must now all be ended :_
The Democrats' licenced hour must not be extended_
Beyond that which we'll allow for thinking up pretended_
Solutions to their problem which reject our paradigm

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Each nation grows from out of a plot that's_
Diversely planted each year with new brats_
All growing together from their wind blown seeds -_
The Black Rye & The White Wheat & The Colourful Weeds -_
& those who try to reap them are bitten by the gnats

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[ I REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT LAST ONE BECAUSE I WAS ENAMOURED OF THE IDEA OF WORKING TOWARDS ENDING WITH " THE HOVERING GHOSTS OF GNATS " WHICH IS A ZOO-OLOGICAL TERM LIKE " A PARLIAMENT OF CROOKS " = THERE IS ALSO THE OLD NORTH / SOUTH DIVIDE IN THERE : AN 18c SNIFFY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SWEET WHITE BREAD EATEN BY HWNTWS & BITTER BLACK BREAD EATEN BY GOGS : WHEAT NEEDS A WARM CLIMATE & FERTILE SOIL - RYE GROWS WHERE WHEAT DIES. ]


+ a little bit of Wesh culture about " The White Wheat " - and our hopeless love for lost causes - and its connections with Republicanism in Wales :

[ POST POST SCRIPT : Marion Loffler in The Literary and Historical Legacy of Iolo Morganwg 1826-1926 - page 114 - " ... Many of the traditional tribannau of the county were attributed to Wil Hopcyn, a minor poet of whom not much was known at the beginning of the nineteenth century. But his distant relative Iolo turned him into one of the most romantic figures of Welsh literature by fathering upon him the song ' Bueila'r Gwenith Gwyn ' ( ' Watching the Blooming Wheat ' ), which described a tragic love affair between him and Ann Thomas ( the Maid of Cefn Ydfa ). 203 ... NOTE 203 - Cadrawd, History of Llangynwyd Parish, pp. 109-13. A full version of the tale, including the reference to Wil Hopcyn and Iolo as relatives, as well as the poem itself, appears in ibid pp. 89-108, 113-14. For an account of how Iolo enhanced this figure and attributed the poems to him, see TLIM, pp. 251- 9. [ TLIM = Traddodiad Llenyddol Morganwg - G J Williams - 1948 - Caerdydd ]... " - SO : THE REPUBLICAN CONNECTION HAD ALREADY BEEN PROVEN - AND IN LONDON IOLO MORGANWG KNEW RICHARD PRICE, TOM PAINE, WILLIAM BLAKE, DR JOHNSON, DAVID WILLIAMS, JOHN THELWALL, HORNE TOOKE, WILLIAM GODWIN, MARY WOLLSTONECRAFT, ROBERT SOUTHEY ? ETC. - AND MANY OTHERS, POSSIBLY EVEN BENJAMIN FRANKLIN ? ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugeilio%27r_Gwenith_Gwyn .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Jane_Williams .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymreigyddion_y_Fenni

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Maddocks ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Price ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft

TOM JONES SINGING AN ENGLISH'D VERSION - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp2pazjN6wo

MARY HOPKIN SINGING THE ORIGINAL VERSION - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXpUkO600HU

IT IS INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO OTHER INTERPRETATIONS OF THIS FAMOUS SONG -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOtbOW6PHDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRHXplCJtY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPEg-6A3I8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzgt-2aSuk - VERY NICE HARPING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJqH1uZIZMw - GRAND HARPING - ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0VjGowR-tg - GRANDER HARPING ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9dbOlKLr7Q - WATCH THE WHEAT !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su14-xtV2X4 - ER : THIS IS A POEM ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paXn1Q0aelA - ENOUGH ... I WANT ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm2afiZdnNc - NO - I WANT ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RycbpjokqoI - NO ! - I WANT -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGaE4LkekM - OH ... WELL ... I ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu0EAIlO_H8 - UM ... OK ... FRENCH ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyXW2VbvPgk - MUSIC + WORDS !!!

OK ... GOOD NIGHT : I AM GOING TO GO TO BED WITH JOLIE HOLLAND NOW - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqRN6pYwcRs


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Oh - yeah ... designing things ... designing political systems ... I have just been mildly complaining about the latest - and longer - Quaker quasi-political wish list ... mmm ...

... and I was earlier sucking my teeth over this - http://quaker.org.uk/news-and-events/news/a-look-back-at-2015 - " Our presence on the political stage shifted in 2015 as we welcomed new Quaker MPs, Ruth Cadbury and Catherine West " ... mmm ... 0.00025% of the population are claiming 0.0030% of the power in The House of Commons eh ? Just as well that they are powerless in the face of the junta selected to rule the non-political system they call The United Kingdom ... soon to be The Un-tied Kingdom ? ...

... But just one of the many reasons that any such groups as The Religious Society of Friends are definitely not as effectual as they fondly imagine themselves to be is because they are confused as to the difference between religion and politics, as are many people : so let me illicit the differences as I see them, just in case I might be able to help groups like Hawliau who fondly imagine themselves to be political and not religious - and not like Quakers ...

... the easiest way to define the difference between religion and politics is to pose the question as to whether there are any consequences for other people i.e. do you want to stop someone doing something or persuade somebody to do something and how much MONEY are you going to need to fulfill your DESIRE - because MONEY is merely a measure of DESIRE and whilst it has no intrinsic value it is the means to induce consent from people who would not otherwise volunteer their consent : MONEY is merely a fiction, but it is a very conveniently negotiable one for inducing others to give them what they DESIRE ... MONEY is absolutely not negotiable however in one respect : we are only allowed to negotiate by using the MONEY issued by those who DESIRE to control us - and who issue as much MONEY as they DESIRE ... which is not very convenient for the rest us as we actually have agree to be induced to work for as little MONEY as our those who issue it DESIRE ... the vast majority of us belonging to those Communities of Interest which do not control these " Democratic " - " Nation " - " States " ... controlled by those Communities of Interest which DESIRE to issue MONEY through procedures neither " Democratic " nor " National " nor even controlled by any " States " ... because " The Modern Nation States " are non of those things : the history of " Representative Democracy " is the history of The Aristocracy adapting itself to allow some voting to take place provided that no political changes can take place i.e. ensuring that the economic control of The Aristocracy over society is not challenged by giving out various begrudged sinecures to The Monocrats, The Hierocrats and The Democrats - who in return for their various roles in the exploitation of The People in The Aristocratic Stasis receive payments to keep them quiescent if not loyal and obedient ... i.e. The Democrats receive MONEY to purchase what they DESIRE which is issued to them by The Aristocrats who create as much MONEY as they DESIRE which is very inconvenient for the rest of us - because they do so without actually doing any work yet DESIRE to use this MONEY to induce us to do work i.e. The Aristocrats order things on credit from the societies which they control and like their medieval predecessors they never pay their bills : modern banking crises are more or less the equivalent of bankrupt 18c dandies considering yielding to demands to pay their starving tailors' bills " ungentlemanly."

I think that you are probably getting the point by now that I think RELIGION is about DESIRE and POLITICS is about MONEY : if you are merely listing demands without any understanding of where the MONEY is coming from to obtain what you DESIRE then either you are not doing politics or you are likely to be wanting to pursue Monocracy in which the only necessary amount of MONEY is that required to pay for the violence to get what you DESIRE - Monocracy is the least competent form of government because its politics does not address the nature of work and the creation of wealth : nobody has to possess any economic understanding in order to satisfy their DESIRE to get MONEY by practicing organised crime - not until the economy collapses, by which time it is far too late to start studying Milton Keynes ... But Monocracy need not be about knights in shining armour hacking peasants' heads off : there have been plenty of pious souls with nothing but the best intentions, the noblest aspirations and the emptiest of economic conceptions - such as that everybody would volunteer to do as they are asked because naturally they would want to belong to " The Big Society " and work for nothing - who have practiced willful economic ignorance and ruined their societies for the sake of religious pieties such as Communism and Liberalism ... which have proved to be even worse than Christianity and Judaism which can be counted as blameless only on the grounds that they had no economic ideas at all, which is marginally better than obsessing about crazy-crude economic ideas and insisting that they will work but surely a few million more ignorant peasants will have to be better educated first - and surely all of those who are suspected of incorrectly believing in " Democracy " and " British Values " will be eliminated in order to keep The Homeland Countries pure and clean ...

... have you ever noticed how obsessed The Democrats about keeping us all " pure and clean " - wanting us to carry pocket sized disinfectant gels etc ? ...

... Does not that just give you the creeps and make you doubt their sanity : you know I never thought of satirising them as " The Scattish Ploy " ...

Lead me on - or get out - Mistress Duff !
For I'm telling you that I feel quite rough -
And disinfect me before you go out please ... ( or ) " And disinfect me before you leave - please ... " ( for a better illiteration and a worse illicitation )
For this may be not just a Scottish disease :
To rub out these damned spots will be tough.


Now I like the company of The People Who Believe In Things because I like analysing their belief systems and then pulling them apart for recreation ... it is like pulling the limbs off insects to leave them immobilised or crawling and flying around in circles ... hence I like iconaclasm of Quakerism and I distrust the credalism Judaism, but on the other hand Quakerism can be too spare, whilst Judaism enticingly rich ... but the point to make here is that my stock-in-trade is in crully butchering other people's belief systems, sometimes in the past undermining the more assured speakers using psycho-analytic methods - and crudely : I am now more sympathetic to sinful souls but I harshly demanded more honesty from everybody back then ... especially from those who wanted to claim personal political authority - and also from those in the audience who wanted them to do so ! ... Leftish political movements are more prone to this activity of ineffectually building visions of heaven on earth because these tend to have a lot of people in them who refuse to recognise that what they are doing is religion, even when we point out the rather more obvious parallels e.g. what Czarist Russia was like before Stalinist Russia was like it also : religious - and economically incompetent. Likewise however Rightish political movements are prone to the same e.g. when the Reaganist USA beat the Breshnivist USSR it did so because the latter was economically dysfunctional, but equally the USA - for all of its loudly shouted religiosity - is religiously dysfunctional in ways in which the USSR was not ...

... My opinion of those who advocate from The Left and from The Right and supposedly from The Centre is exactly the same : they are trying to impose their fantasies upon others and since these fantasies originate in their personal experiences that is the limit of their political authority i.e. all political authority is founded upon personal experience and therefore every individual person's account of their life validates their political authority in matters where they themselves can contribute facts and arguments to publicly conducted collective discourses which publish those facts and arguments in order to enable others to understand their personal experiences and thus to inform and persuade The General Will which characterises Republicanism - which enables us to possess the empathy upon which to found a continuing collective mutualism, as opposed to vesting political authority in The State and which therefore dictates a fierce competition in order to seize control of it through Ultraistic methods e.g. the buying and selling of votes which leads to the threats and bribes of The Democrats, who thus cultivate thus cultivate egotism in ineffectual others in order to obtain their votes and whilst equating themselves with " The People " have no further interest in them other than their votes. The Democrats cultivate apathy in The People which thus enables them to practice persistent sectarian antagonism : the Democratic argument for their own version of the corrupt political principle of " Sovereignty " invokes the idea of " Vox Populi Vox Dei " - i.e. nobody is ever responsible and every crime committed in " The Name of The People " is " An Act of God." Thus The Democrats in Wales and The World can never be held to account for anything - and because there are never any consequences for their actions they have no need to govern The State successfully, they only need to appear to be doing so ... thus neither laws nor policies are properly considered, and The Democrats put their most diligent efforts into conducting their affairs in secret and then into vigorously denying those who expose their errors - or crimes : they fraudulently assert that they have obtained political authority by being elected but political authority resides solely in The Lives of The People and therefore - even if The People wished to - they can not donate their political authority to anyone : not to Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats, Monocrats or any other - excepting that in being coerced in these various ways by those who would have power over them The People in The World submit to being ruled by these and so many other varieties of Ultraists which claim that their corrupt and corrupting non-principle of " Sovereignty " excuses them from ever being held responsible by any others - that they can locate themselves " beyond the boundaries " of " The Rule of Law " i.e. " The Natural Law " or " The Nomos " as described by The Republicans in Wales and The World which dictates Altruism as the basis of all good societies - " The Unbreakable Law " which breaks those states which are not governed in accordance with it : The Nomos is both the creator and the destroyer of all human civilisations ... Well I hope that this post-scriptorial insertion was a helpful one ...


... and both America and Russia have precious few politicians to this day : whilst religion is about DESIRE and politics is about MONEY, brute economics when translated into a political doctrine like Pragmatism is devoid of religious sensibilities and is as irresponsible as pious religion when it is translated into a political doctrine like ( x - Corporativism ? ) which is devoid of economic sensibilities and so equally responsible : both prove to be defective because such ideologies of the Left and Right are advocated for by The Democrats : they make irresponsible promises in exchange for votes and so cultivate in the electorate laziness and therefore willful ignorance of what they are voting for - neither The Democrats nor The Electorate agree to have any responsibility nor to have any accountability. They claim " The Sovereignty of The People " and therefore disclaim " The Rule of Law " and so also the consequences of their decisions : theirs is the logical end of all Ultraists - to obtain power in order to deny any responsibility = " Non-political systems."

In politics when people draw up lists of things they wish to achieve they demonstrate how they will be paid for and consider what the consequences will be ... in economics they demonstrate how things will be paid for and do not consider the consequences of their list of things they wish to achieve ... in religion they draw up lists of things they wish to achieve and make no demonstration of how they will be paid for and they do not consider the consequences ... etc ... Politics is the necessary link between Religion and Economics - but merely Politics + Religion does not produce good results : Religion should be conducted as the public debate on morality i.e. what we wish for - & - Politics should be conducted as the public debate on ethics i.e. what we allow for ... and then : what Republicans aspire to -

Morality + Ethics = Good Economics !

( + picking up on this early the next morning - )

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35219763 - Campaigners call for law to protect Welsh place-names - http://www.happydonkeyhill.co.uk/

Now there is another link between Economics and Religion which is through Spirituality i.e. the way in which The People Experience The World, or rather their emotional responses to the sensations which they experience : my labeling of this as " Sympathy " in The Model was recently challenged and replaced by " Empathy " on the grounds that when we see e.g. a play or a film then however realistic its portrayal we do know that it is not real, and yet whilst the acting may be poor we may " empathise " with the actors - which is a usage of the term of which I was only dimly familiar but it made immediately clear sense in terms of giving support to a cause whether religious or political, that we subscribe to its portrayal of its claims and therefore experience Empathy towards it because we imagine those claims to be meaningful to us.

Advertising and Marketing play upon Empathy in order to induce others to consent buy scented soap or accept thermo-nuclear war or to go to " Happy Donkey " - but what if you are not induced but strongly object to something like " Happy Donkey Hill " - indeed to somebody else's repeated use of the very name " Happy Donkey Hill " - or " dai repwblic " for that matter - because it offends your sensibilities and you and a number of others feel so emotional about it that in constantly talking about it have been developing your individual Spiritualities into a collective Religious response which means that you begin to campaign to try to persuade others to understand, respect and share the Emotion that your community feel ... about someone buying a Welsh farm and simply renaming it " Happy Donkey Hill " because its Welsh name can not be pronounced by English speaking people on the internet and therefore Economics dictates the necessity of it becoming " Happy Donkey Hill " and not ... oh ...

http://www.cymdeithasenwaulleoeddcymru.org/ - The Welsh Place Names Society - http://www.cymdeithasenwaulleoeddcymru.org/index9ed2.html?lang=en

... have I already forgotten the ... was it a Welsh word ? ... Or an English word ... perhaps re-placing place names is not too bad, after all people have given new names to places like 57 Acacia Cul-de-Sac and The Palisade of Westminster ... I do it all of the time ... Why would anybody object to renaming either of those " Happy Donkey Hill " - and these people who keep objecting to the casual destruction by immigrants - who can't even speak The Prince's Welsh - for their own private individual personal reasons of these centuries old Welsh place names because it is cultural vandalism against the local community ... well, surely these protesters are just Welsh extremists - and in a minority are they not ? ... And that runs to the heart of the problem when The English already outnumber The Welsh by 15 to 1 even if The Welsh are all sympathetic to The People in Wales Who Speak Welsh - who are desperately outnumbered by The People in The World Who R Spleakyling Inglisches by ~ 15,000 to 1 ... But has to be mentioned here that there is a particular strand of Republicanism in France which was deeply enamoured sweeping away everything and re-inventing The World* which has been very hostile to The People in Brittany in the past and insisted upon them renaming all of their children with names drawn from ancient classical sources like " Penelope " and " Ajax " and " Croissant " - no to mention The Republicans Who Would Bar-Code Everybody and Everything Because The Nomos Is A Mathematical Equation And We Must Calculate That The Sum Of Society IS More Than Its Constituent Individuals Who Must Therefore Be Numbered For This Mathematical Purpose .. only numbers - not names - are unique - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised But Will Be Calculated - And WE Will Mark YOUR Papers ... & YOU'LL FAIL IN WELSH !!!

[ * OF COURSE THERE IS A MORE OBVIOUS SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM OF OUR LANGUAGES DIVIDING HUMANITY WHICH IS TO INSIST UPON US ALL CONTINUING TO USE THE LANGUAGE WHICH WE ARE ALREADY BORN SPEAKING FROM THE OUTSET : MORSE CODE - MA-MA-DA-DA-MA-DA-DA-MA-MA-DA-DA-DA-MA-MA-MA ... THIS WOULD THEN FIT IN VERY WELL WITH THE PROJECT OF REBUILDING CIVILISATION AROUND COMPUTERS WHICH COULD THEN BE PROGRAMMED TO PERFORM THE CALCULATIONS WHICH ARE NECESSARY FOR THE CREATION OF A POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH CAN EXCLUDE ANY POSSIBILITY OF ULTRAIST METHODS BEING USED TO SEIZE CONTROL OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT WHICH IS NECESSARY TO ENCOMPASS THIS PROJECT BY REMOVING ALL OF THOSE STUPIDLY UNPREDICTABLE RANDOMISING VARIABLES LIKE POLITICOS AND POETS AND THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL ... LEAVING JUST THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THEIR BUNKERS ... WAITING FOR THE RADIATION TO DISPERSE ... ]



http://www.e-gymraeg.org/enwaucymru/chwilio.aspx ... http://www.e-gymraeg.org/enwaucymru/googlemaps/?id=3520

[ I DON'T THINK THAT GOOGLE PINGY-THINGY IS CORRECTLY LOCATED ON THAT MAP : IF YOU GET OFF AT M4 J38 ( MARGAM ) AND DRIVE EAST ON THE A48 JUST BEFORE YOU GO INTO PYLE YOU TAKE THE LAST BIG LEFTIE UP HEOL-Y-GLO WHICH THEN BECOMES ANGLICISED TO " THE NEW ROAD " AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE PASSED THE ANCIENT CYMRIC HOMESTEAD CALLED " WIGGLEY'S FUN FARM " YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF AT THE JUNCTION BETWEEN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN THOSE PARTS ( " ( THE ) LAW STREET ) AND THE WELSH LANGUAGE IN THESE PARTS ( " FFORDD Y GYFRAITH ) ... TWO INTERESTING THINGS WHICH " THE LAW STREET / FFORDD Y GYFRAITH " LEAD TO IN MY MIND IS ( A ) THIS ROAD IS A RIDGEWAY PATH WHICH THEREFORE RUNS ALONG THE TOP OF THE WATERSHED, AND SO IT IS PHYSICALLY THE DRIEST ROUTE AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE WERE PROBABLY FIRST CARVED OUT OF THE SURROUNDING FORESTS AS HUNTING DEVICES ( LONG STRETCHES OF SUCH PATHS WERE MADE STRAIGHT AND NARROW AS KILLING GROUNDS FOR DIRECTING THEIR ARROWS DOWN INTO FROM THE HIGH POINTS WHICH INCREASED THE DISTANCES WHICH COULD BE SHOT TO : THE WELSH DID NOT RUSH ABOUT NOISILY TO HUNT THEIR GAME BUT PATIENTLY CONSERVED THEIR ENERGY WHILST WAITING FOR DEER ETC TO CROSS THESE HUNTING CORRIDORS WHICH THEY CREATED BETWEEN THE TREES ... LAZY BLOODY WILDLIFE SCROUNGERS ... )

( B ) WHERE THIS ROAD CROSSES A LARGE STREAM AND BENDS AROUND THE SHALLOW CWM BENEATH IT - THERE IS AN OLD ENTRANCE TO TYNTON FARM ( TY-YN-TON = THE HOUSE IN THE MEADOW ) WHICH WAS THE ( PROBABLE ) BIRTHPLACE OF THE MAID OF CEFN YDFA ( SINCE THIS WAS HER MOTHER'S FAMILY'S HOME & WOMEN TYPICALLY WENT HOME TO THEIR MOTHERS TO GIVE BIRTH.) ( C ) THIS BEING THE 18C AND THERE POSSIBLY BEING ENCLOSURES OF THE COMMON LAND ( AND I AM SPECULATING HERE ) TY'N'TON MAY WELL BE A FARMHOUSE WHOSE PROSPERITY ( EVEN EXISTENCE ) MAY HAVE RESULTED FROM SUCH A LAND GRAB ( AND I AM SUSPECTING THAT THIS IS THE IMPLICATION OF THE NAME " FFORDD Y GYFRAITH " ) AND " THE LAW STREET " NAME MAY INDICATE THAT THIS RIDGEWAY WAS THE PARISH BOUNDARY BETWEEN LLANGYNWYD AND MARGAM AND SO WAS LEGALLY EXCEPTED FROM THE LAND GRAB I.E. ITS STATUS AS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WAS ENFORCED AGAINST RIVAL CLAIMS TO HAVE OWNED IT ? ]

AN IMAGE OF A MAP OF GLAMORGAN'S OLD PARISHES WHICH IS MUCH TOO BIG TO DISPLAY - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/GLAImgMap

LET US TAKE A BREAK AND WATCH A SUITABLE FILM TOGETHER - http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-love-story-of-ann-thomas-the-maid-of-cefn-ydfa-1914/ - LAUGH !

( There is a great line in this film - " FAREWELL ENGLAND. FAREWELL WALES. Heres off to the Rhondda Valley ! " )

[ " Y FERCH OF CEFN YDFA " IS USUALLY PORTRAYED JUST AS A STORY OF TRUE LOVE, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT DRIVES THE STORY IS THAT ANNE MADDOCKS WAS A WARD OF COURT UNDER THE CONTROL OF A LAWYER WHO WAS DETERMINED TO DISREGARD HER LOVE FOR WIL HOPCYN AND FORCED HER TO MARRY HIS SON ANTHONY MADDOCKS - THUS THE MADDOCKS DEVISED A LEGAL STRATEGY TO OBTAIN HER INHERITANCE - TY'N'TON FARM ? ... SO BEWARE : THIS FILM IS NOT FACTUAL ... ]


I am now trying to remember what I was knocking those pictures up for to illustrate ( I actually prefer the lower one but I feel the quality is inferior.) These photos were taken a few years ago by somebody whom I have dubbed " Tin Donna " and Ffordd Y Gyfraith ( which can be translated as " The Way of The Law " ) is located where we were descending from the road on the mountain over Llangynwyd : this being Wales our Illuminata from Maesteg actually has some kind of family connection with " The White Wheat " story which I hesitate to relate here lest I get her family history utterly wrong ) ... ( I enjoy fooling around with shaggy dragon stories, but I prefer to stick to mocking those prominent pretentious politicos like Carwyn and myself - and of course various weather forecasters - and I'm not even keen on naming the petty politicians, preferring to dismiss the lot as " The Democrats " - and so I leave most of the innocent bystanders un-named ... you'll also appreciate that our friends have lives which I don't wish to upset by naming them, especially the children who have after all supplied us all with such insightful criticism and thus have mostly fortunately mostly all grown up and moved as far away from their parents and their parents' friends as physically possible ... I believe that one of them is presently begging NASA to be the first to pacify Mars ...

... Anyhow : as you know I like Welsh history - and legend - and myth - and shaggy dragon stories - and the Welsh language has always played a part in my life because of my father being very particular about how words were pronounced, mostly because he took elocution lessons in order to systematically obliterate his Welsh accent ( without ever actually fully successfully in acquiring a correct accent in terms of Received Pron-OUNCE-iation [ R.P.] because - being a Welsh speaker as a child - he had the regular and systematic approach to constructing words which Welsh instills as a discipline - hence I drove him nuts by breaking all of the rules of his linguistic sensibilities : my lack of precision, my wondering accent, my neologisms and my unmanly interest in emotionalitismical inquisitionalism all made him very anxious ... he thought that I ought to learn German in order to knock all of this nonsense out of me by studying Organic Chemistry ... I thought that in reading Schiller I was studying the very best sort of organic chemistry but ... anyhow, the sorts of reasoning which my Dad preferred were that German was a go-ahead modern language in which you could get ahead and make a living in the excitingly modern world of clear thinking and - after all, in 1949 there were no text books about chemistry in Welsh ( really there are no university text books about chemistry in Welsh even now ) and Welsh belonged to his mother's people, to coal miners and spoil heaps, to his living as a child in a terraced house which backed onto the coking ovens, to that bloody school teacher who made him recite " Y Wiwer " ( " The Squirrel " ) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF5Kaq1K528 - A small child reciting " Y Wiwer Lwyd "

... Of course my Dad's decision to systematically forget the Welsh language presented certain difficulties like his mother : Mamgu towards the end of her life decided that she could not be bothered speaking English to my Mum or indeed anyone and so her son was called in to find himself having to speak Welsh again ... Our family could be a microcosmic example of what happened in Welsh society : moving all over the place but suffering from " hiraeth " which was probably the first Welsh word that I ever learned because although my Dad had firmly left behind Wales and Welsh and whimberries he rather reminisced about all of these things and more besides ... thus perhaps the second Welsh word that I learned was the name of the house in which he was born, which became a source of contention between me and him when we finally visited old Uncle Elwyn and I finally saw my Dad stumble into a conversation in Welsh for the first time in perhaps thirty years, certainly since before I was born, and Elwyn backed up my poetic sensibilities about the possible connotations of " Gwynfaes " ... which of course is a discussion for another time, because my Dad was very literal-minded not literary-minded ... I do not think that it should be read as merely " Maes Gwyn " mixed up - and I see a possible connection in " Gwyn Faes " with " The White Wheat " ... " The Blessing " or even " The Genius " of " The Field " perhaps ? ... Welsh face names probably fascinate me all the more because I am not a sufficiently good speaker of Welsh ... but then these airy motions which we utter summon up not merely intellectual nor only historical and cultural connotations but also personal associations : we construct our symbolic understanding of the world through them not so much because of the languages which we use but because of the history of those people who devised the meanings of the words which we use : not merely how Mamgu described the cat ( whilst resolutely asserting to us that there are no swear words in Welsh ) but the meanings of the words as revised by medieval bards like Dafydd ap Gwilym for swearing at cats too .. My Dad spent his childhood just up the valley from Bodringallt : his tadcu James Lawrence worked in The Boddy ... ah ... now there's a corruption of a Welsh name for those who couldn't pronounce " Bodringallt " for " Y Cymdeithas Enwau Lloedd Cymru " to bitterly complain about ...



( I HAVE JUST CULLED THIS COLLAGE FROM AN EMAIL WHICH I CREATED FOR SOME MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY : I AM GUESSING THAT THE IMAGES CAME FROM HERE - http://archive.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/ - BUT THEIR WEB SITE HAS APPARENTLY CEASED TO WORK SO I CAN NOT CONFIRM THAT ... BUT THEN R-C-T RARELY REPLY TO ANYBODY'S CORRESPONDENCE AND WHEN THEY DO THEIR MEMBERS AND OFFICERS ARE ALL BLUSTER AND THEY POSTURE AND ACT IN AGGRESSIVE AND IGNORANT WAYS. THEY AND OTHERS LIKE THEM IN SELF-ASSUMED AUTHORITY MAKE ASSERTIONS ABOUT COPYRIGHT IN ORDER TO EITHER INTIMIDATE PEOPLE INTO NOT ASKING OR INVOLVE THEM IN SPURIOUS BUREAUCRATIC PROCUDURES WHICH MAKE TERRY GILLAMS " BRAZIL " SEEM COMPARATIVELY SANE. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HARMED THE ECONOMY OF THE RHONDDA AND OTHER VALLEYS WITH THIS NONSENSE BUT THEY SEE IN THIS VARIOUS MERITS FOR THE SHORT TERM GAINS TO BE MADE IN EMPLOYING PEOPLE TO FILE PAPERCLIPS AND CHECK THAT EACH TRIPLICATE FORM HAS AN EXTRA COPY IN IT AND THAT THERE IS A FURTHER MANAGER ON HAND TO CLEAR HIS OR HER OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S DESK TO WRITE REPORTS ABOUT R-C-T'S INABILITY TO HAND IN THEIR REPORTS ON TIME ... I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SIMPLY ASK HOW TO LIAISE WITH R-C-T TO STOP MY GREAT-GRANDPARENTS' GRAVESTONE COLLAPSING INTO THE HOLE WHERE THEIR COFFINS HAVE ROTTED AWAY - HAVE I HAD ANY REPLY FROM ANYONE IN R-C-T OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS ? NO - OF COURSE NOT : SO - IF AND WHEN I CAN EVER WALK AGAIN - BEFORE IT COLLAPSES I WILL HAVE TO DO THE JOB OF RESCUING THEIR GRAVE MYSELF AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH AND THREATS OF PROSECUTION ON THE GROUNDS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY ... MMM ... I WILL BE MORE IMPRESSED ON THE OCCASION WHEN THEY GET AROUND TO SUING THEMSELVES FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT NANY-Y-GWYDDON )

http://www.wcisu.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/1111/ATSDR%20final%20english.pdf


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Maddocks ... ¿ & " Tin Donna " is somehow related to both ? ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Maddocks ...

Is this girl from Maesteg our very own " Tin Donna " ?_
Well we know that for good causes she often is the donor :_
She is the most exciting of all women in Glamorgan_
Once her hands are reaching out - to play upon an organ -_
But she's able to reap in every field & she does so with great honour !


Well ... I delayed adding that into the above because I awaited a reply as to whether she is OK with my using that ... She probably will be ... I do hope so ...

I think that I really ought to go away and write a separate thread on " The White Wheat " but things associated with it have just crept into my converserations about it above ... And whilst it fits in here that may well be the seed for a future thread because it connects the later Republican Dr William Price who was involved in a 19c production of a play about " Y Ferch O Cefn Ydfa." The business of writing plays of course involves adding stage directions to create a " Work " or " Opera " which in many respects is like a well designed political organisation - and therefore looks nothing like " Repwblic " which has become a political disorganisation ... i.e. it is acquiring a close resemblance to The Reality Of Republicanism in Wales - when i ought to be paying more attention to designing something better !

http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/listarticles/llgc-id:1277425/llgc-id:1280154

CYLCHGRAWN LLYFRGELL GENEDLAETHOL CYMRU CYFROL (VOLUME) IX - THE NATIONAL LIBRARYWALES JOURNAL CYFROL (VOLUME) IX - (HAF) SUMMER 1955

The Welsh version of Rhygyfarch's 'Life of St. David' J.W. James.
Dissent in the Counties of Glamorgan and Monmouth Hywel D. Emanuel.
Letters from Welsh settlers in New York State, 1816-44 A.H. Dodd.
Account book of Thomas Morgan of Carmarthen H.J. Lloyd-Johnes.
* Portable theatres in Wales, 1843-1914 Cecil Price.
The Journal of William Roberts ('Nefydd') 1853-62 E.D. Jones.
Deposited Collections Hywel D. Emanuel.
Deposited Collections G.Milwyn Griffiths.

* * Portable theatres in Wales, 1843-1914 - Cecil Price, skimming page 71 et seq - John Hord's " The Cambrian Theatre " was a ' portable ' i.e. a theatre company which travelled around in a caravan of carts etc and which erected a temporary stage to perform upon ( presumeably in front of a tent for the audience when not performing in some covered place ? ) which meant that they were excused from being considered in the same category as the permanent theatres which were required to be licenced : these basically grew out of fair ground side shows of the educational sort ? The police and the publicans did not like them because of the crowds - the magistrates and the ministers liked them because they drew these crowds out of the pubs and their plays tended to dramatise basic moral dillemmas ! John Hord was not merely an actor and a manager but also a writer of plays who cultivated these talents in others wherever he met them - " The Cambrian Theatre " was almost The Portable Cultural Institution of South Wales - excepting The National Eisteddfod, of course ... One of his other writers was J C ( O') Dowd who wrote plays with titles like " I Have Kept My Oath," " The Dungeon of Death," " The Slave " - and " The Maid of Cefn Ydfa " ... ( actually - go read this article : I really have not got a clue how John Hord contrived in 1866 to re-enact " The Battle of Waterloo " on a stage that may well have been smaller than twenty four feet wide by twelve feet deep - ? ) ...

... anyway ... apart from the pantomimes ( such as " The Ice Witch and The Sunbeam " and " The Fairies of The Frozen Deep " ) and topical plays to tempt in the local audiences ( such as " The Murder Near Carmarthen " and " The Blind Witness of Aberdare " ) there was also some of the standard classical dramatical repertoire played like " Othello " and " Hamlet " and " Maria Martin " and " Death's Head Dick - The Skeleton Pirate !!! " ... apparently these shows also often ended with the audience mounting the stage to take turns at each other - and the encores resulted in the local employers complaining about their employees not turning up for work the next day ... not only was John Hord patronised by the local gentry and aristocracy, even the newspaper critics compared his abilities to those of Henry Irving - ! - I bet that critic wasn't from The Western Mail though ... In Aberdare on 21st April 1875 they performed a play written by J C ( O' ) Dowd - " The Maid of Cefn Ydfa " which became very popular : the 1870s were the years in which the new industrialised communities of South Wales began to forge a new national identity out of this old material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Price_(physician)

Dr William Price was often a patron of " The Cambrian Theatre " and its successors which started to introduce plays with such titles as " Llewelyn The Last Prince of Wales," " The Last Of The Welsh Bards " and " The Druid's Curse and The Rocking Stone of Pontypridd " - but " The Maid of Cefn Ydfa " was often revived to satisfy the public demand for it. But also in the 1870s a pretentious civic pride was taking root amongst the self-consciously proud not-so-great and not-so-good of industrialised South Wales and their magistrates began to prefer the proprietors of the newly built theatres and concert halls which lent their towns and villages the appearance of dignity even whilst raw sewerage was still pouring into their streams and rivers. These new cultural institutions which now received London's touring companies of famous actors covered up South Wales' lack of conventional high culture in the same way that the black dust from the colliery washeries concealed the turds which were floating by in front of the up-turned noses of the not-so-great and the not-so-good ... and so just as South Wales began to be literally cleaned up by The Public Health Act of 1875, the convivial flea-pits which once arrived every summer in each town and village to provide these communities with festive occasions in which not only did everybody simply have to attend but they did so in order to greet their old friends and laugh at their old jokes - and weep once again as The Angel beckoned them from out of the ghostly flames of the heavenly tinted light, bearing the wreath of True Love's Final Victory for - The Maid of Cefn Ydfa ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Act_1875

... >sniff< ... er ... so how far away and off subject am I now ? ... Not as far as you might think ...

Long before the rather tardy The Public Health Act of 1875 Republicans in Wales like Dr William Price and others were campaigning not merely for sanitation and safe water supplies - but also for affordable food, sickness and unemployment benefits, medical care and social services : yes - it was The Republicans in Wales who built the institutions which The Socialists claim to have built post World War Two ... What The Democrats in Wales did in 1945 was to start handing over everything which The Republicans in Wales created in the 19c to The Welfare State i.e. into the very hands of those for whom The United Kingdom is merely a means of managing The People in Wales and The World ... into the hands of those who previously sought to prevent The Republicans from creating the means for The People in Wales to defend themselves ... into the hands of those who are now destroying everything which The Republicans in Wales created ... into the hands of The Aristocracy which now represent themselves to others as supporters of the non-political system which The Democrats in Wales and Westminster in the 21c are still trying to call The United Kingdom : The Global Corporations - you don't believe me ? ... Then you must have been educated in the state schools of the supporters of the non-political system which they call The United Kingdom and be listening every day to their propaganda : virtually every idea which you think that you are thinking with has been planted into your head long since before you were born - but ... a new opportunity has been created for The Republicans in Wales and The World in the 21c by the invention of The Internet to re-visit " The Cambrian Theatre " - but this once promising development has turnd out to be a limited offer which is very evidently not going to last for very much longer : the not-so-great and not-so-good are concerned once again that they are unable to prevent The People from creating communities which they can not control ... communities like Y Repwblic ... communities which upon beginning to learn to think again will once more greet The Republicans in Wales as The Friends of The People and will laugh at our old jokes - and weep once again as The Angel beckons them from out of the ghostly flames of the heavenly tinted light, bearing the wreath of True Love's Final Victory for - The People in Wales and The World.

>sigh< ... " heavenly tinted light = ? " ... Well ... for those who are not Welsh ( but would prefer to be ) ... " = " All Colours Harmoniously United Into The One Heavenly Colour Which Is White Light " = " The Enlightenment " = " The Republic in Wales " = " The Sign Placed By God ( Who IS Welsh ) In The Heavenly Firmament As His Affirmament Of His Promise Of The Covenant of Peace Which Will Reign On Earth After The Almighty Angel of The Most High Lord Has Finally Got Rid Of Tubal Cain !!! "



http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/media/22157/DI007573.jpg - MARY TRAYNOR : SCENE AT THE TUBAL CAIN FOUNDRY CARDIFF ( 1986 )

http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/industry/images/?action=search&search_type=all&search_terms=tubal+cain

... ( Ah ... Has Tubal Cain already gone bankrupt ? ... When ? ... Oh well - er ... where's our %@&$-ing republic then ??? ) ...

I HOPE THAT YOU NOTICED THAT I MANAGED TO DEMONSTRATE THERE HOW THE SOFT WHITE WOOLLY STUFF OF CULTURE IS NOT TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE HARD WHITE CHEESEY STUFF OF PRACTICAL POLITICAL ACTION. WHEN WE WITNESS ACTORS PORTRAYING THE STORY OF THE MAID OF CEFN YDFA ON A STAGE AND WE END UP WEEPING IT IS NOT WITH FALSE EMOTION EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE ACTORS - YET BIZARRELY FOR THE NEWS ITEMS WHICH ARE SELECTIVELY FED TO US WITH AN EQUALLY DRAMATIC PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT TREATED IN THE SAME WAY BY MOST PEOPLE : THEY RARELY DOUBT THAT THESE ARE TRUE AND THIS IS HOW THE STATE TERRORISM OF THE SUPPORTERS OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH THEY CALL THE UNITED KINGDOM IS " OPERA-TED " - IT IS PLAY-ACTING AND AT LEAST SOME OF THE PEOPLE RECOGNISE THIS AND YET ... THEY STILL NEVER TAKE THEIR EYES OFF THE ACTORS PRESENTED TO THEM NOR EVEN ATTEMPT TO PEER INTO THE GLOOM OF THIS THEATRE OF THE WAR MACHINE ...

... THE WHOLE REASON WHY THE CONVENTIONAL THEATRES OF WAR THAT WE ARE USED TO NOW ARE DESIGNED TO HOLD THEIR AUDIENCE IN THEIR PLACES IN THE DARK IS TO PREVENT THOSE WHO HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET BOTH FROM LEAVING BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THE PLAY IS REALLY BAD AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM BEING ABLE TO SEE BEHIND THE SCENES TO SEE WHY IT IS REALLY BAD ... FURTHERMORE ... PLEASE NOTE THE EXTENSION OF THIS ANALOGY : WHEN THERE IS A FIRE IN A THEATRE " THE SAFETY CURTAIN " DESCENDS TO PROTECT THE ACTORS NOT THE AUDIENCE : IT IS TO PREVENT THE ELECTORATE FROM GETTING ONTO THE POLITICAL STAGE WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY - THAT IS WHY THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER DO NOT HOLD ELECTIONS IN WAR TIME ... SO GO FIGURE : THEY SHRIEK ABOUT THEIR PRECIOUS " DEMOCRACY " AND DAMN ALL THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT - YET WHEN " THE DEMOCRATS " RISK LOSING CONTROL OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH THEY CALL THE UNITED KINGDOM THE FIRST THING WHICH THEY DO IS TO ABANDON THEIR BAD SHIP " DEMOCKERY " ... AND THAT IS BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAVE BEEN DUBBING THE FIVE MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES IN WALES & WESTMINSTER " THE DEMOCKERATS."

SO TRY THIS FOR A CONCEPTION OF WHAT REPUBLICANISM IS LIKE : IT IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE THEATRES WHICH USED TO BE TAKEN FROM PLACE TO PLACE, ANNUALLY BRINGING THEIR GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE IN WALES AS THOSE OLD STROLLING ACTORS USED TO BRING THEM THEIR ENTERTAINMENT ... NO REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS BEING LIKE A MODERN DAY " THEATRE " - " THEATRE " IS NOT CONSTRUCTED OUT OF BRICKS AND MORTAR BUT WITHIN THE ENCOUNTER BETWEEN THE ACTORS AND THEIR AUDIENCE, AND IN THE OLD DAYS THE ACTORS HAD TO PUBLISH THEIR BILLS MONTHS BEFOREHAND AND THEN SHOW UP IN THE TOWN IN WHICH THEY WERE GOING TO PERFORM IN ORDER TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES : THEY EVEN CHANGED THE BILLING ADVERTISED IF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY DID NOT LIKE IT AND WOULD NOT BUY A TICKET ! ... HAVE YOU EVER TRIED NOT BUYING A TICKET TO THE UNITED KINGDOM ? ... OF COURSE THE DEMOCKERATS DO NOT CARE IF YOU DO NOT GO TO THEIR PERFORMANCES - BUT THERE IS A £1000 FINE IF YOU REFUSE TO BUY A TICKET - AND JAIL IF WE STEADFASTEDLY REFUSE TO COMPLY !!!

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=689

NOW YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT I RARELY WRITE MERELY A FEW WORDS ... MOSTLY BECAUSE I AM A PROLIFIC WRITER I INTENSELY DISTRUST THE USE OF WORDS ... WE CAN SCATTER WORDS LIKE SEEDS AND WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT WE SOW BECAUSE WHAT GROWS UP FROM WHAT WE PLANT WILL IN TURN SET MORE OF THE SAME SEED ... THEREFORE YOU WILL FIND THAT BOTH IN WRITTEN AND SPOKEN WORDS I AM AN EVASIVE PERSON WHO IS RELUCTANT TO ENSHRINE MY BELIEF SYSTEM IN JUST A FEW WORDS WHICH MAY BE SEIZED UPON BY OTHERS AND FIND MYSELF CITED AS " Y PROFFWYDES O'R REPWBLIC." ... BUT IN ORDER TO NAVIGATE MY WAY THROUGH MY LIFE AND MY PROBLEMS I SET OUT MORE THAN THIRTY YEARS AGO TO TRY TO THOROUGHLY THINK THINGS THROUGH : I DECIDED TO CONSTRUCT " A MORAL COMPASS " TO HELP MYSELF IN MY HAVING TO MAKE THOSE MORAL AND ETHICAL DECISIONS WHICH WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE IN LIFE WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THE PATHS WE CHOOSE WILL LEAD US ... ONE OF MY FIRST DECISIONS WAS NOT TO TRUST MY OWN JUDGEMENT BUT TO FIND A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WILLING TO SHARE THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES WITH ME SO THAT I COULD LEARN FROM THEM : THAT IS HOW I CAME TO ENCOUNTER QUAKERISM - WHICH WAS QUITE A SURPRISE BECAUSE I HAD ASSUMED THAT THERE COULD BE NO ACTUAL RELIGION WHICH WAS COMPATIBLE WITH MY SKEPTICAL AND EXPERIMENTAL DISPOSITION WHICH RIPS ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS APART ... A DISPOSITION WHICH LED EVENTUALLY TOWARDS REPUBLICANISM WHICH I DEEM TO BE THE ONLY POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM WHICH THAT I CAN ENDORSE SAVING ONE THING : IT APPEARED TO CONTRADICT MY RELIGIOUS VALUES AS CULLED FROM QUAKERISM ... BUT ...

... REALISING THAT REPUBLICANISM IN WALES IS NOW A MESS OF CONTRADICTIONS THAT ARE MOSTLY CULLED FROM ELSEWHERE I TOOK THE DECISION IN 2013 TO RE-WRITE QUAKERISM " AS IF IT WERE A POLITICAL BELIEF SYSTEM " ... AND THEN SEVERAL REMARKABLE THINGS HAPPENED OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS IN QUICK SUCCESSION ( A ) THE TWO GEOMETRICAL MODELS WHICH I USED TO DEPICT QUAKERISM ( A TETRAHEDRON ) AND REPUBLICANISM ( 3D AXES / A CUBE ) SUDDENLY AND SUPRISINGLY SIMPLY SLID TOGETHER - BUT ONLY ONCE I HAD TAKEN THE DECISION TO GO BACK BEYOND THE MID 18C BEFORE " THE SHOT GUN WEDDING " WHICH WAS FORCED BETWEEN ANTHONY MADDOCKS AND ANN THOMAS AND ... OH - SORRY ! ... BETWEEN DEMOCRACY AND REPUBLICANISM ... WHICH ( B ) TOOK ME BACK TO BARUCH SPINOZA ... WHO TURNED OUT TO HAVE ALSO HAD AN ASSOCIATION WITH QUAKERISM ... WHICH THEN TURNED OUT TO HAVE A FALSE ORIGIN STORY : THE ENGLISHMAN GEORGE FOX DID NOT FOUND THE RELIGIOUS SOCIETY OF FRIENDS - BUT THE WELSHMAN WILLIAM ERBERY PROBABLY DID, AND - WEIRDER STILL - THE PLOT WHERE ERBERY'S 17C HOME ONCE STOOD IS ABOUT 300 YARDS FROM MY HOME - I CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT OVER MY GARDEN WALL ... & ( C ) LOTS OF BAD THINGS WERE DONE TO ME BY DEMOCRATS IN THE YEARS PRECEDING THIS AND THERE HAS TO COME A POINT FOR EVERYONE AT WHICH THEY STOP EXPERIMENTING WITH KISSING THE SOLE OF THE BOOT WHICH IS STAMPING ON THEIR FACE : I ASSURE YOU THAT MY REJECTION OF DEMOCRACY WAS ENTIRELY RATIONAL AS WELL AS VERY REASONABLE ... BUT TO BE HONEST I WAS INDEED VERY SURPRISED TO FIND MYSELF REACHING FOR A " PURE REPUBLICANISM " AND NOT A GUN : I AM BUT A MORTAL AND THEREFORE I AM CAPABLE OF MURDER.

THE " PURE REPUBLICANISMS " ARE GENERALLY DISMISSED AS " PURE POLEMICISMS " BY THOSE CONDITIONED TO ACCEPT THE STATUS QUO ... WHEN I SET OUT ON THIS JOURNEY ALL I HAD TO GUIDE ME WAS MY " MORAL COMPASS " AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY PAGES WRITTEN TO CREATE THIS " MAP " OF POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS WHICH I HOPE WILL BE OF HELP TO THOSE BEWILDERED BY WHAT IS GOING ON ... I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WITNESSING OVER THE PAST THIRTY YEARS OR MORE IS THE PHENOMENON OF " DE-POLITICISATION " ... I.E. THE PUBLIC POLITICAL DISCOURSE IS BEING DELIBERATELY BROUGHT TO AN END AND THEREFORE THE " DEMOCKERY " OF THE NON-POLITICAL SYSTEM WHICH IS CALLED THE UNITED KINGDOM WILL ALSO BE DISPENSED WITH : REPUBLICAN POLITICAL THEORIES DESCRIBE HOW ONE POWER BASE WITHIN SOCIETY ARISES OUT OF ANOTHER WHILST DISGUISING ITSELF IN THE APPEARANCE OF THE EXITING " STASIS " ... SINCE THE UNITED KINGDOM IS SOCIO-ECONOMICALLY AS WELL AS CONSTITUTIONALLY AN ARISTOCRACY THE IMPLICATION FOR US IS THAT THE RISING POWER WITHIN THE UNITED KINGDOM IS MONOCRATIC - WHICH IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH " THE ROYALTY " - AND WHILST I SAY " WITHIN " I AM IN FACT ARGUING THAT SEVERAL COMPETING GLOBAL MONOCRACIES HAVE ARISEN WHICH HAVE NO LOYALTIES : THEY ARE GAMBLING WITH THE PEOPLE IN WALES AND THE WORLD AS IF WE ARE MERELY CHIPS IN THEIR GLOBAL CASINO AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGING SECTARIAN NATIONALISMS IN ORDER TO GET MORE CHIPS TO PLAY WITH ...

... MEANWHILE DAF AND DAI HAVE BEEN GAMBLING UPON OUR OWN LITTLE GAMES : THE FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN OF THE MODEL AND THE DIAGRAMS WHICH I MADE, DREW AND ARGUED OVER IN A CONVERSATION WITH DAFYDD ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO - THESE ARE THE KINDS OF CONVERSATION WHICH " REAL REPUBLICANS " HAVE IN THE ADVERTISING BREAKS OF VARIOUS TELEVISION SHOWS LIKE " THE BIG BANG THEORY " ... IN FACT SEVERAL PEOPLE IN CARDIFF ARE SURE THAT WHOMSOEVER WROTE " BLACK BOOKS " BASED IT UPON SOME SUCH SESSION OF " THE CARDIFF ILLUMINATI " BACK IN THE OLD DAYS AND THAT WE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO ROYALTIES ... THE ARGUMENT LAST WEEK WAS ABOUT OPERATIONALISATION - HENCE THE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT REASONING OUR WAY TO A REGULARLY WORKED OUT FACTORISATION AND DECIDING THE ALGORYTHM WHICH GOVERNS THE CURVES I.E. IN ORDER TO OBJECTIVELY DETERMINE WHAT IS GOING ON YOU NEED TO DECIDE NOT ONLY WHICH OPERATIONS TO OBSERVE BUT HOW TO MEASURE THEM ... THIS IS LIKE ORDERING BEER : WHETHER DAF AND DAI DRINK IT BY THE PINT OR BY THE LITRE IT IS STILL THE SAME STUFF, YET DAF ALWAYS GETS MORE DRUNK AND MORE QUICKLY THAN DAI ...

... DAF DOES THE PURE MATHEMATICS AND DAI DOES THE APPLIED MATHEMATICS : IN THESE MODELS DAF DOES THE CALCULUS AND DAI DOES THE GEOMETRY ...








( I usually scatter around some texts and emails to indicate to others that I have been scribbling again should they care to read what I have to write - sometimes I receive compliments - part of a texted conversation that refers to this thread - )

11.30 am Radio 4 today Tuesday 5th January - comparison of Welsh & Urdu poetry through their shared roots in the original Indo-European language - sounds good ?

Just come in to sit exhausted in front of Osbourne declaring in Y Senedd that there are historic weaknesses in the Welsh economy - yeah : The Conservative Party

William Haggar's Silent Film about Ann Thomas cousin of Richard Price - http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-love-story-of-ann-thomas-the-maid-of-cefn-ydfa-1914/

This contains some photos of the 3D version of The Model which I took after a recent discussion with Daf - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=3058#3058

Dw i'n meddwl mae hi'n bod diddoral.

Mmm ... Well I hoped that the " portables " would interest you - I wondered why I was using the maid of Cefn Ydfa story until I saw it as a " shotgun marriage "

Lol, it is great.

I guess Wil Hopcyn =The Republican & Ann Thomas =The People deceived by The Aristocrats =parents of Anthony Maddocks =The Democrat who married her for her money

I really like this image of Republicanism in Wales as a portable theatre - shaky scenery, dodgy costumes, old stories & ham acting to entertain happy audiences?

Well it is better than the reality.


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I had a plan for this thread - honest - but since I am going on an even longer " short cut " than I anticipated, having published those photographs of my discussion with Daf I think that it might be useful to briefly explain what such models are used for ... you have perhaps already read my quip that " The Democrats have all of the answers - but The Republicans have all of the questions ! " ... The purpose of such models is to create new frameworks of thought and thus new views of things in order to generate new questions such as - " What the bloody hell is going on in our society ? " ... Now in order to not be beaten down by their dismissive answers and the endless heaps of bullshit piled upon the public political discourse by The Democrats in Wales and Westminster we need to hope for some kind of objective way of challenging their assertions and discrediting their claims : it is not enough to merely to deny that the mess that we are in is the result of some kind of " natural " process like " market forces " - we have to expose their belief in such things to be unfounded even if it is sincerely held ...

If the state of our society is not believed to be the consequence of our own volition then the very basis of our belief in the utility of governments is false and therefore consequently all of our political discourses are futile and the practice of our making laws to govern our societies is irrelevant - if we do not ourselves believe this to be an effectual remedy for the faults that we find in our societies. If on the other hand we do believe in The Rule of Law then equally we can not believe in Sovereignty because the necessary condition for The Rule of Law is that we consider ourselves to be creatures of volition who accept the consequences of our actions, even if we can not predict them, and therefore none can be exempted from the consequences of their actions : for a society to be governed by The Rule of Law is an absolute state and as soon as any government exempts any individual - let alone a community - from accountability to any law then The Rule of Law is ended. This may sound like an argument for perfectability but really it is simply a matter of categorisation : either you are alive or you are dead, preganant or not pregnant, law-abiding or not law-abiding ... true - you can be both a citizen and dead, just as you can be both a citizen and a criminal : both interment and internment limit our ability to not be law-abiding - but we are not re-catogorised as " no longer a citizen " by it ... but to introduce the non-principle of Sovreignty into the constitution of The State is not only to destroy The Rule Of Law but to bring an end to citizenship itself and to reduce everybody to the status of criminals interned by The State, leaving us all awaiting our destruction at the hands of those who have seized control of The State and have placed themselves outside of The Rule Of Law by declaring themselves to be in possession of Sovereignty : they draw a boundary around themselves and arguing that they have thus placed themselves outside of our societies - " The Ultraists." ... The opposite of " Ultraism " is " Atruism " ( literally " Other-ism " ) which purposefully sets out to erase these boundaries which Ultraists use to try to privilege themselves in their relationships with others : Altruism is about dignity for all and therefore demands The Rule Of Law, Ultraism is about degrading all others and therefore demands Sovereignty. This is why Hierocrats, Democrats, Aristocrats, Monocrats and many other sorts of -rats loudly assert their claims to " Sovereignty."

Now in the ramshackle world of Repwblican political discussions I spent an evening la week or so ago with Daf going over the heads of the argument for The Model and those photographs above were snapped at the end of the evening along with various appropriate props lying to hand for the purposes of decoration ... You may be able to make out some of the diagrams, but what appears in those photographs is by no means all of the argument which runs to literally thousands of pages of scrawled notes as I probe The Model to see if it really can stand up to scrutiny as an analysis, which it sort of can, but it presents a view upon politics which is alien for most of The People in Wales and The World of whom 99.999+ are lacking in any sort of political education and are therefore easily manipulated ... In the first instance a number of The Republicans in Wales are very upset to even see Fascism being mentioned in The Model let alone that it is being treated there in a manner in which they feel gives it equal status with Socialism let alone that it appears to be placed between Liberalism and Conservativism as if they are its old friends or just watered down version of Fascism. My answer to this sort of infantilism is simply to grow up - Republicanism is for adults : it is The Political Theory For Those Who Can Think Straight - and since we are not taken in by the surface appearances of things it is obvious to us that Fascism is not only still around and concealed beneath a variety names but is now positively flourishing and is enthusiastically subscribed to by The Democrats in Wales in their eagerness to offload their responsibilities to corporate business concerns and to enslave the tax-payers to them in e.g. " Private Finance Initiatives."

So in this political theory for adults called " Republicanism " we take a cold hard look at the obvious facts of many political systems and even more non-political systems and the muddled messes which exist in between them, like The Welsh Government which lacks some of the most basic of all constitutional features - like The Welsh Court whilst making laws. To ask the most basic of questions - " What is politics ? " - all forms of government can be deemed to be decision making processes : to get the best politics out of the process you need to establish the best kind of political system : a government which is created in order to legislate and administrate in " The Public Interest " i.e. a " Republican " government ! ... Ah ... but who is able to decide what " The Public Interest " is ? ... Cicero's definition of the " Res Publica " was basically the restoration of " The Rule Of Law " because he was confronting Julius Caesar overthrowing it and ruling capriciously as a dictator ... Certainly " The Rule Of Law " implies that the laws that we make embody our societies' morality and ethics - but what happens when societies go bad ... and why do they go bad ? ... One answer to this is that Communities of Interest manage to seize control of The State and then declare their own interests to be " The Public Interest."

“ What's good for General Motors is good for America ! ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Erwin_Wilson

Democracy was believed to be a remedy for this ... provided that there were certain precautions taken to prevent Communities of Interest from controlling that political system with bribes and threats e.g. annual elections to bankrupt bribers and quickly hold the corrupt and incompetent to account etc ... In both 18c America and 19c Britain The Republicans whilst campaigning to introduce Democracy warned about how The Democrats once they had acquired power would do everything in their power to entrench themelves in the same way that The Aristocrats had ... only what actually happened was that The Aristocrats learned to adapt to the advent of Democracy, contriving in the first instance to allow poor men to vote for rich men who were the only ones who could afford to be elected in an age of unpaid representatives ... So what most of The People in Wales and The World think of as " Representative Democracy " is in fact a form of Aristocracy - " elect your own oppressor " - and its origins lie not in The Enlightenment but in the practices of medieval Europe : everything came to a head against this practice in The French Revolution - but even in that drastic political reformation The People Who Got The Votes Had To Have Property ... witnessing The Aristocrats in France losing control to The Democrats, The Aristocrats in Britain decided to pretend to be Democrats : in return, The Democrats in Britain decided to pretend to be Aristocrats ! ... How can Aristocracy and Democracy be so interchangeable - are they not different things ? Yes - and No : they are different ways of selecting The Worthy People Who Will Deceive & Thieve From - OOPS ! - Govern Those They Know To Be The Worthless People ... i.e. Aristocrats' claim The Right To Rule Others on the basis of their wealth ... and in Britain they quickly discovered that they could simply pay others to do this for them - The Democrats' claim The Right To Rule Others on behalf of The Aristocracy on the basis of their popularity, which is easily bought provided that The Aristocracy will hire them and defray their expenses ... The Hierocrat's claims are on the basis of asserting certain beliefs and The Monocrats' claims are on the basis of threats of violence : all of these are simply different forms of coercion - they are all Ultraistic and therefore they are non-political because they use coercion, not facts and arguments.
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I am going to get back to this ... any time now ... I thought that I would introduce some more of those diagrams on my circuitous route back to Victor Papanek ... as it happens I am browsing the news at the moment in a public library and looked at the following news item which I intended to post on the obvious thread but I can not access it on a public computer because those in control of the government i.e. The Democrats in Wales and Westminster would like to pretend to The People in Wales that Repwblic is some kind of Extreme Right - or alternatively, Extreme Left - organisation dealing in illicit conversations : I have just run up against the wall of censorship being erected by the supporters of The Untied Kingdom- because I decided to post a comment about this in the appropriate place !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35690189

Repwblic seems to be basically now the remains of The Cardiff Illuminati and yes - we are extremists and way beyond the limited imaginations of The Democrats in Wales ...

... er ... so why aren't you lot censoring the BBC ? ... Oh - yes, of course you do : to prevent The People in Wales from ever encountering an adult political discussion ...

... honestly : we can do adult ... that's why we are prepared to discuss our suspicions about what might be being found in furtively conducted car boot sales ...
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