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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[ ah well - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=5438#5438 ]

[ These are the result of a conversation yesterday about a local dramatic production which involves the subterranean theme of a WW2 bomb in a catacomb. I knock these out on a mobile phone for a few minutes recreation each day.]

Beneath the ground upon which Butetown stands_Is a catacomb of histories within which it / each of which / now brands_The soles of those who walk its / these streets_And tread / treading upon the / those / long forgotten defeats_We / that we can only imagine - but us it nderstrands = Fishermen, twho became smugglers, merchants and pirates and privateers,= Slave sailors = diving from the yatd arm wad muxh better than_ being enslaved within the brig because his. Skin was tan_™to be returned to georgia across thiis sea more brown ;when so close before him was the port of old vutetown_where unmaked he now lies vuried with dignity as a free man = the samavouir inn the front parlour_With yiddish pour}ng out each hour_Tales of Czarisr cats and mice_Of ships which broke up in the iice_And of what will happen to those in power = The Chinese lady in the shop_Who talks to the parrot which sits on top_Of the laundry cupboard and talks babk_When she rewards it with a snack_But when the door opens their eyes both drop = A Lascar staggered from a boat_His pay in hand with a dry throat_To find new friends with which to drink_His mind to tired to really think_They hid him in the timber float = She was Irish and she was not to blame_But she felt a certain shame_To live on the mud in a ship long ago wrecked_The tides running though it fully unchecked_Full of flotsam and jetsom which we can not name = He stood upon the loco's plate as the table turned_Then with his eye upon the pressure the wheels churned_As he severed Bute Street!s arms again_And shunyed backwards in the rain_As the future of the city butned

THE CATACOMB OF BUTETOWN

Beneath the ground upon which Butetown stands_
Is a catacomb of past histories which now brands_
The soles of these feats which walk our streets_
Treading down upon the long forgotten defeats_
Which we can only imagine - but it us understrands.
=
Fishermen, who became smugglers, merchants and pirates and privateers,=


=
Diving from the yard arm was to him much better than_
Being enslaved within the brig because his skin was tan_
To be returned back to Virginia from this sea a darker brown_
When so close before him he saw the port of old Butetown :_
The sea reclaimed his dignity and buried him as a free man.

Around a smoking samovar in their small front parlour_
They were pouring Yiddish out in clouds to fill up every hour_
With tales of shtetls and sheitls and Czarist cats and mice_
Of strolling steppes and their wooden ships which had been crushed in ice_
And of The Will of The People against those who abused their power.

The Chinese lady in the dark corner shop_
Who talks to her parrot which sits on top_
Of the laundry cupboard and sometimes talks back_
When she pauses for breath and gives it a snack_
But when the door opens - hush ! - their eyes drop ...

A Lascar staggered down from a boat_
His pay in his hand and with a dry throat_
To find new friends with which to drink_
With his mind too tired to really think :_
He drank his fill in the timber float ...

She was Irish and she was not to blame_
But she always felt a certain shame_
To live on the mud in a ship long wrecked_
With tides running though it fully unchecked_
Bringing flotsam and jetsom which we will not name.

His Christ was crucified upon an anchor - and_
Beneath that the clock asserted its command_
So the captain obeyed and hauled on the sheets_
To navigate his way once more through the fleets_
Of nightmares before arriving at his last strand.

He stood upon the loco's plate as the siding's table turned_
His eye upon the pressure gauge as the hard wheels churned_
Severing through Bute Street's outstretched arms again_
Whilst they all shunted backwards in the pouring rain :_
Fierce within the boiler the future of the city burned ...

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

RATOS TABUS - SODREY - BUTETOWN - ( NOT CARDIFF BAY ) - WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY BENEATH OUR FEET AND THIS OUGHT TO BE A POEM OF EPIC LENGTH ... BUT THAT WILL DO FOR THIS EVENING.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... Oh well ... move on - I will sort out that dodgyrhyl later ... if possible ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40017537

... mmm ... I wonder what the DRP are up to ... and why doesn't Republic form a party ? ...

http://democraticrepublicanparty.co.uk

... oh yeah - Peter Kellow was on tv once ... actually I like him ... but where is this whig ? ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQaRUKiV76w

https://www.youtube.com/user/demreps?feature=mhee

... Peter does not seem to have changed the front page for ( three ? ) years - perhaps he is writing here ? ...

https://www.facebook.com/Democratic-Republican-Party-139255966135476/

... it seems that Peter has returned to preaching Anti-Monarchism instead of teaching Republicanism ...

... >sigh< ... I wish that those publicly pontificating about it knew what Republicanism is ...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/20/republicans-to-call-for-monarchy-referendum-when-queen-dies

Republicans to call for monarchy referendum when Queen dies - Republic’s chief executive, Graham Smith, says monarch’s death will mark a turning point in public attitudes

" ... Smith went further when he was asked about the prospects of a UK referendum on the monarchy at the meeting of Alliance of European Republic Movements in Madrid over the weekend. ... In a recording of the event published on YouTube, Smith said: “When the Queen dies, the moment she is declared dead, Charles is king. So there is no gap. And there is certainly no official plan for a referendum. He is king immediately. The coronation would be about six months later. ... “So that will be an opportunity, after the funeral and before the coronation, for us to do some campaigning and say, ‘Hang on a minute, this is the 21st century, if we are going to have a new head of state then perhaps we want to have a vote.’ Then if we have that vote, it can’t just be, ‘Do you want Charles?’ It has to be ‘Which person do you want?’ and it has to be a free and fair election.” ... "

[ SEE : THESE ####ING ####S THINK THAT " REPUBLICANISM " MEANS " VOTING "]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVtEXsFTek - 7ª Convención Anual de AERM (Alianza de Movimientos Republicanos Europeos)

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/meet-britains-republicans-is-the-uk-ready-to-think-about-change-in-the-year-the-queen-turns-90-a6826256.html

Meet Britain's republicans: Is the UK ready for change in the year the Queen turns 90?

No matter the odds stacked against them, they dream of the demise of the monarchy, and right now they've got a spring in their step. Simon Usborne meets Britain's republicans

" ... It can be tough being a republican in Britain ... Yet republicans are confident that an underestimated, largely unheard chunk of the population – a majority, they believe – is ready to think seriously about change in the year the Queen turns 90. And Republic, which has operated in its current form for 10 years now, thinks it can achieve it without even needing to convert people like Mrs Adkin. " I think about 20 per cent of the population is republican," Tony says when he does arrive, repeating a figure that is generally reflected in polls (he asks that his surname is not revealed "for work reasons"). " I also maintain that about 20 per cent of us are monarchists. That leaves 60 per cent in the middle who don't really care. But the media try and put them in with the monarchists and it's just not the case." ... "

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http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/04/why-it-unspeakable-be-republican-britain

Why is it unspeakable to be a republican in Britain ?


" ... Failed hitherto for to call yourself a republican or muster some anger? Just take a moment and think about who pays for them. We do. We pay them for doing nothing. Think of every emotional breakdown you’ve experienced trying to make ends meet, every rent bill you might have had to fight to pay, and then think to the royal family, who because they were born at a certain time to a certain family, will never, ever have to face that struggle. Because they get free money. From us. ... "

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http://www.britishfuture.org/blog/how-many-republicans-are-there-really/

( 2012 ) " ... At the weekend The Observer reported that British anti-monarchists were from 22% to 50% of the population, but over the years most research has shown that percentage to be much lower. With the Jubilee around the corner, Sunder Katwala says it is time for the republicans to get real. ... The bad news for Britain’s Republican minority is that that public support for the monarchy in 2012 is at the highest level ever recorded in modern opinion polls, with 80% favouring keeping the monarchy and only 13% supporting a republic in the most recent Ipsos-Mori poll on the subject. ... Graham Smith, the head of Republic, says that the 13% finding, that support for a republic had fallen to 13%, “is clearly a blip because every other poll before and after shows about 20-25%”. The Observer, perhaps falling prey to wishful thinking, went rather further, with its surprising claim that “British anti-monarchists – anything from 22% to 50% of the population, according to recent polls – [are] wondering where the dissent has gone”. ...

... So how many republicans are there? ... Usually, just under one in five people say that they want a republic. ... The question of monarchy or republic seems to have been first asked by Mori in 1969, when 19% of people wanted a republic. The Ipsos-Mori archive of polls on the monarchy shows how the number has invariably remained within 3% of that figure across four decades since, very briefly peaking at 22 per cent in the run-up to Prince Charles’ marriage to Camilla in 2005. (ICM also found 22% support for a republic in that year). ... The one previous dip in support for a republic came after the death of Diana. Though the monarchy came under much media and public pressure, support for a republic briefly dipped to single figures, as a mark of respect, before republicanism returned to its steady state of 18% within a month. ... the more committed Republican core, which is made up of the 5% who tell YouGov, in a poll for this month’s Prospect magazine, that the monarchy is one of the worst things about Britain ... "

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http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2042

UK POLLING REPORT - Survey and Polling News from YouGov

" ... On the broader issue of the monarchy, 76% of people said they would like the monarchy to continue after the present Queen, while 18% said they would prefer a Republic. ... "

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18161083

Diamond Jubilee v Republican Britain - By Holly Wallis - BBC News - 27 May 2012

As much of the UK gears up to celebrate the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, not everyone is happy. Republicans are stepping up their protest over the weekend - but who are they, and what exactly do they want ? ... A group of volunteers is spending a long evening organising campaign material - stapling big white placards to wooden poles. ... The signs read: "Power to the People" and "Citizen Not Subject" in large black lettering. ... One placard asks : " 9,560 Nurses or 1 Queen ? " The answer, for members of Republic, is a no-brainer. ... After years as a low-key movement, Republic re-launched itself in 2006 as an official pressure group. ... The mission is simple, says chief executive Graham Smith. "We want to get rid of the monarchy and have a republican constitution with an elected head of state." ... Republicans want a referendum because, for them, the monarchy is undemocratic. ... Another poll this week by ICM for the Guardian suggests 22% of people believe the country would be better off without a monarchy, with 69% saying it would be worse off. ... "

[ WELL I HAVE TO QUIT HERE BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT THIS EQUATING OF REPUBLICANISM WITH ANTI-MONARCHISM IS A RESULT OF 19C PROPAGANDA BY THE ARISTOCRATS IN THE UNITED KINGDOM WHO EQUATED DEMOCRACY WITH REPUBLICANISM WITH CRIMINALITY WITH A DESIRE TO KILL THE QUEEN - WHICH YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT FROM THIS BOOK ... REDUCED NOW TO £0.01 ? ]

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shooting-Victoria-Madness-Modernisation-Monarchy/dp/1781851972/

Shooting Victoria: Madness, Mayhem, and the Modernisation of the British Monarchy - Paul Thomas Murphy

'It is worth being shot at to see how much one is loved.' – Queen Victoria.

Queen Victoria was attacked an astonishing eight times during her sixty-three year reign.

Victoria's would-be assassins succeeded in changing the course of British history; whose penal system, legal system and policing would never be the same again. Taking the queen's mad, marginalized attackers as his starting point for an investigation of the entire era, Paul Thomas Murphy weaves elegantly through all layers of nineteenth century society and culture. A rollicking, riveting history, Shooting Victoria is the most multi-faceted story of Victorian Britain to date. [ LOOK FOR THE BIT ON DILKE ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Charles_Dilke,_2nd_Baronet


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of the original intentions " Y Repwblic " failed : part of those intentions included three of us writing about Red/White/Green versions that are around ( i.e. the Left/Centre/Right versions denoted by " Poblachiaethwyr - Repwbligwyr - Gweriniaethwyr " ) and publishing them together with other material on http://www.repwblic.org ( and there is now languishing also these - http://www.repwblic.cymru and http://www.repwblic.wales )

Having decided that " Y Repwblic " had failed the question became whether to abandon it or continue but with the narrower basis which was emerging i.e. to effectively write " The White Faction " back into existence ( at least on paper ) lest " The Black Faction " entirely dominated the presentation what is taken to be The Republicans in Wales. At this moment the annual viewing statistics for repwblic.informe.com were at a high of around 460,000 and the valuation was much higher than at present and promised advertising revenue ( which is why we debated a bank account to collect, pay and donate from " CockAid.")

Whilst " Y Repwblic " is not a ' front organisation ' for " The Cardiff Illuminati " by virtue of our activities on the board the three of us do not want to surrender it to those listed as " members " who do not write and may be merely fronts so in going " Pure Republican " ( i.e. Nomocratic ) and rejecting Democracy we have protected " Y Repwblic " from being taken over by infiltrators claiming voting rights to take over the board and the bank account. The main problem remains in writing the repwblic.org pages lest they be seized upon as being authoritative and misquoted : the mess on the board has become a hedge against allegations against us and membership being on the basis of written contributions is another hedge.

Because of the way in which The Supporters of The United Kingdom have poured out vicious falsehoods upon Republicanism the biggest problem here in Wales is the sheer tedium of explaining that it is not Anti-Monarchism but is Anti-Democracy and that it is not a criminal conspiracy and deems that " political violence " is an oxymoron ... The People in Wales are politically mis-educated and ignorant of both Republicans and Republicanisms and many even imagine it to have never darkened our land : this is ludicrous - 20% of The People in Wales identify themselves as " Republican " - whatever they mean by that - and The Republicans in Wales in the 16c, 17c, 18c and 19c were not only making several major contributions to Republicanism in The World but were involved in The 16c shaping of The United Kingdom, The 17c Civil Wars of The Three Kingdoms ( + One Principality ) and the first three of The 18c Revolutions in Corsica, America and France ... but when the Pacifist/Pacificators protested against The United Kingdom declaring war against The ( new ) Republic of France they found themselves denounced as traitors and then in the ensuing 19c propaganda war against their politics " Republicanism " was deliberately associated with Anti-Monarchism, Democracy and criminal conspiracies ...

... the following cartoons however will give you some simple ideas about real Republicanism.

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1100
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have half an hour to browse The Newspapers in The World ... interestingly it seems that The UK General Election is flying under all radars ... curious ...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/world/?page=1

http://thehill.com/

http://www.capitalcommunitynews.com/category/homepage/east-river

http://intowner.com/

NO WONDER THAT THE FOREIGN POLICIES OF THE USA ARE SO UNINFORMED ?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/english-politician-as-manchester-bombing-death-toll-rises-time-for-uk-to-bring-back-death-penalty-for-terrorists/article/2623925

English politician: As Manchester bombing death toll rises, time for UK to bring back death penalty for terrorists

Janice Atkinson | May 23, 2017

Janice Atkinson is an independent member of the European Parliament, representing South East England.


MMM ... let me try Australia ...

https://myaccount.news.com.au/theaustralian/subscribe?pkgDef=TA_SDO_P0415A_W04&directSubscribe=true&b=true&sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/tennis/margaret-court-says-tennis-is-full-of-lesbians/news-story/326a625aa200c5b3b59004a0c5d00ac8&memtype=anonymous

‘Tennis is full of lesbians'

http://www.cootamundraherald.com.au/

http://www.cootamundraherald.com.au/story/4699843/who-makes-the-best-burger-in-cootamundra/?cs=581

Who makes the best burger in Cootamundra ?

http://www.bunyippress.com.au/

Netball’s best set for battle

>sigh<


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Disappointing talk of a hung parliament : I wish that they would not tease ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/general-election-latest-polls-odds-tracker/

The gap between the two major parties continues to narrow in our poll tracker, though no new polls have been published since Monday's TV debate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-majority-poll-election-2017-latest-labour-hung-parliament-seats-theresa-may-conservatives-a7764271.html

Tories to fall short of outright majority and face hung parliament, new poll analysis predicts. YouGov predicts the Conservatives may win just 310 seats – 16 shy of an absolute majority ... Such a result on 9 June would be calamitous for Theresa May, who called the snap election in April, claiming the country needed certainty, stability and strong leadership as it enters the negotiations to exit the European Union on 19 June.

[ NO : WHAT IS NEEDED FOR BREXIT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IS FOR THERESA MAY TO HAVE TO BARGAIN AND FOR THE RESULT TO BE A STRONG AND STABLE CONSENSUS IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ... PERSONALLY I THINK THAT JEREMY CORBYN'S DISPOSITION IS BEST FOR THIS TASK.]

UK General Election polls: Theresa May could lose seats in General Election and UK may face hung parliament, poll suggests
Complex analysis by YouGov has Tories losing 20 seats and Labour gaining 28
... The seat-by-seat projection for The Times by YouGov predicts that the Conservative Party could lose 20 seats and see its majority wiped out, while Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour may gain 28 seats. ... The controversial analysis, released late on Tuesday, is based on a complex model and suggests Mrs May's gamble of calling a snap election in the hope of a landslide win could backfire spectacularly. ... The YouGov figures are from the polling model’s central estimate, which acknowledges a large range of variation but it predicts that even a good night for the Conservatives would give them only 15 more seats than Mrs May now has and well short of the majority she would have hoped to secure. ... A bad night could see the Conservatives plummet to 274 seats.

https://marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/uk-general-election-2017-forecast-1-latest-prediction/

Nigel Marriott's Blog - An independent statistician using data to understand our world and to predict the future

My latest prediction using my Final Election Model is that the Conservatives will make a net gain of 47 seats resulting in a working majority of 109 seats. ... I have now settled on a Final Model (follow link for more details) and only that prediction is described in this post. ... Please click on the link below to download an Excel spreadsheet of my seat by seat forecast. This spreadsheet now includes the expected vote shares for each party in each seat using my Final Model. The expected winners for my earlier 4 models are shown for reference but I recommend only the Final Model (marked by the GE17 column) is used.

ABERAVON - Labour
ABERCONWY - Conservative
ALYN & DEESIDE - Con OR Lab
ARFON - Labour
BLAENAU GWENT - Labour
BRECON & RADNOR - Conservative
BRIDGEND - Conservative
CAERPHILLY - Labour
CARDIFF CENTRAL - Labour
CARDIFF NORTH - Conservative
CARDIFF SOUTH & PENARTH - Labour
CARDIFF WEST - Labour
CARMARTHEN EAST - Plaid Cymru
CARMARTHEN WEST - Conservative
CEREDIGION - Liberal Democrat
CLWYD SOUTH - Labour
CLWYD WEST - Conservative
CYNON VALLEY - Labour
DELYN - Conservative
DWYFOR MEIRIONYDD - Plaid Cymru
GOWER - Conservative
ISLWYN - Labour
LLANELLI - Labour
MERTHYR TYDFIL - Labour
MONMOUTH - Conservative
MONTGOMERYSHIRE - Conservative
NEATH - Labour
NEWPORT EAST - Labour
NEWPORT WEST - Labour
OGMORE - Labour
PONTYPRIDD - Labour
PRESELI - Conservative
RHONDDA - Labour
SWANSEA EAST - Labour
SWANSEA WEST - Labour
TORFAEN - Labour
VALE OF CLWYD - Conservative
VALE OF GLAMORGAN - Conservative
WREXHAM - Conservative
YNYS MON - Labour

[ WELL I THINK THAT I HAVE GOT THEM ALL : I HAVE NOT PUT IN HIS PREDICTED PERCENTAGES BUT HE SUGGESTS THAT THERE ARE SOME BIG MARGINS IN MOST PLACES SO IT IS SAFE TO NOT VOTE LABOUR - OR NOT VOTE CONSERVATIVE - AND YOU CAN HAPPILY CAST YOUR PROTEST VOTES AGAINST THEM - EXCEPT IN ALYN & DEESIDE - Con OR Lab ]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017

... In Wales, 213 candidates are standing. Labour, Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and Liberal Democrats will contest all 40 seats and there are 32 UKIP and 10 Green candidates. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Television_debates

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40105324

BBC debate: Theresa May defends no-show after Corbyn U-turn

Theresa May has defended her absence from this evening's TV general election debate, saying she is taking questions "up and round the country" instead. ... Mrs May faced repeated questions after Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn changed his position and said he would take part. ... The Lib Dems, UKIP, SNP, Green Party and Plaid Cymru are also on the panel for the seven-way BBC debate in Cambridge, which starts at 19:30 BST.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd will take part for the Tories. ...

[ NOW SOMETHING WHICH MIGHT BE CONSIDERED TO BE ARGUABLE IS THAT LABOUR HAVE MADE A BIG POINT OF THEIR COSTING THEIR MANIFESTO BUT ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY IN REMEMBERING THE FIGURES OR RATHER ARE BEING BULLIED BY JOURNALISTS OVER THEIR BEING NOT ABLE TO MEMORISE THEM ... BUT THE CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT BOTHERING TO EVEN TRY AND ARE SLOGANISING AND DOING THIS - ]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40059846

The rise of Tory attack ads on Facebook

The Conservatives seem to be targeting Facebook users in marginal constituencies with anti-Jeremy Corbyn attack adverts, designed to draw away the Labour faithful. ... Labour are also using Facebook advertising, but their messages are not focused on leaders and their personalities. ... the Conservatives are paying for numerous adverts that attack Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn or his close allies, particularly John McDonnell and Diane Abbott. They broadcast a broadly negative message - warning people about the perceived threats of a Corbyn-led government. ... The Conservative adverts we've seen focus on three key policy themes: Brexit, taxation and national security. However, on all these themes, a common message is employed to critique Corbyn: that it would be too "risky" to entrust the Labour leadership with government. ... The Conservative attack ads are often reactive - responding quickly to current events. ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poem by a friend of mine about last night's tv debate -

The debate, you ask?No easy task. Nuttall full of bluster; Amber Rudd lacklustre; Leanne's Welsh and daring; Farron's wildly staring. Robertson the Scot talked sense a lot. Caroline so green and just; Corbyn spoke to win (he must...). Many folk noticed the day and asked 'Is this the end of May?' xx

The debate, you ask?
No easy task.
Nuttall full of bluster;
Amber Rudd lacklustre;
Leanne's Welsh and daring;
Farron's wildly staring.
Robertson the Scot talked sense a lot.
Caroline so green and just;
Corbyn spoke to win (he must...).
Many folk noticed the day
and asked
'Is this the end of May?'

xx

Doormouse

[ her moral right as author asserted ]


( received 31-05-17 )

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04-06-17 - P.S. I will add this in here because perhaps it conveys the mood of many ...

My creative spirit is currently dead
I'm knackered and shattered and need my bed !
Still on a bus, a way to go
The journey home feels very slow !
So don't expect much in the way
Of correspondence or communication today.

Ariadni

[ her moral right as author asserted ]

( Received recently - I thought of inserting a word here and there to make the rhythm according to my sensibilities but this was in a weary voice.)

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These throw-away poems are from our game of " pwnco " and I have given up on sleep this morning ( 04-06-17 ) and am once more laboriously trying to prise out of my older phone the text conversations which contain them - but most are irrelevant ( not to mention too intimate ) for here - but ...

So : Rachel thinks that I'm a prick ?_That is not true - but I do stick_Upon one subject every time :_That Cardiff's Council is a crime !_Yes : I am one-sided - a Mobius Dick ? ... Dai's ego is the size of Wales_Inflated by his devious tales_By which he illustrates the point_That Democracy is out of joint_& so our nation always fails. ... Making up these rhymes_Is like committing crimes_My limericking_Should be about my sticking_To shorter texts & times.

So : Rachel thinks that I'm a prick ?_
That is not true - but I do stick_
Upon one subject every time :_
That Cardiff's Council is a crime !_
Yes : I am one-sided - a Mobius Dick ?
...
Dai's ego is the size of Wales_
Inflated by his devious tales_
By which he illustrates the point_
That Democracy is out of joint_
& so our nation always fails.
...
Making up these rhymes_
Is like committing crimes_
My limericking_
Should be about my sticking_
To shorter texts & times.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

I don't want to seem a cynic_About the National Memory Clinic_Not helping me but asking why_I should want to ever try_To forget Margaret Thatcher & Neil Kinnock


I don't want to seem a cynic_
About the National Memory Clinic_
Not helping me but asking why_
I should want to ever try_
To forget Margaret Thatcher & Neil Kinnock.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

Prejudice is a poisoned drink -_We should be critical of how we think :_We're all in some minority_That could by some majority_Be criminalised & sent to Clink !


Prejudice is a poisoned drink -_
We should be critical of how we think :_
We're all in some minority_
That could by some majority_
Be criminalised & sent to Clink !

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

Now I love the company of The People Who Think_Perhaps a little less so when they're given to drink_Because they analyse all those ideologies_Of Religions & Politics which have Duff Philosophies_To mock their advocates & make heads shrink


Now I love the company of The People Who Think_
Perhaps a little less so when they're given to drink_
Because they analyse all those ideologies_
Of Religions & Politics which have Duff Philosophies_
To mock their advocates & make heads shrink.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

[ NOW I THINK THAT I HAVE COME BACK TO PUT IN A FEW OF THOSE TO CHEER THE READER UP BEFORE THEY HAVE TO READ ABOUT THE GRISLY EVENTS WHICH ERUPTED TWO DAYS LATER ]

Parliamentary democracy!/So we don't need the best of three/Just MPs that we've elected/to talk and vote: they are expected /to do the best for our WHOLE nation/ despite this Mass of perturbation! xx

Parliamentary democracy !
So we don't need the best of three*
Just MPs that we've elected
to talk and vote: they are expected
to do the best for our WHOLE nation
despite this Mass of perturbation !
xx

Doormouse

*This was about the call for a second possibly a third EU Referendum.

[ her moral right as author asserted ]


( received 29-06-16 ) ( Doormouse subscribes to Democracy )


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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/05/31/bbc-ban-theresa-may-liar-liar-ge2017/

BBC Bans Theresa May Protest Song ‘Liar Liar Ge2017’ (Updated) Paul Resnikoff

BBC Radio insists that it isn’t a ban. But despite hitting #1, ‘Liar Liar GE2017’ is being blocked from BBC’s airwaves.

*Updated, June 1, 10:30 am PT: We initially wrote that this was the first chart-topping track to be kept off of BBC and British airwaves. Since that point, readers have pointed us to at least two different examples of banned chart-toppers: ‘Give Ireland Back to the Irish’ by Paul McCartney and ‘God Save the Queen’ by the Sex Pistols (see comment below).

Guess the revolution won’t be broadcast, after all.

Despite soaring to the top of multiple digital charts, BBC Radio is refusing to play an anti-Theresa May protest song. Other British radio networks like Capital FM are also banning the track.

The song, ‘Liar Liar GE2017’ by Captain SKA, is a blatant slam of May’s policies. Among other criticisms, the track sharply blasts the politician as a ‘liar’ who ‘can’t be trusted’.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN1STgQXW8 - Captain SKA - Liar Liar GE2017

Five years or so ago -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNJhJTNqDQ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC#V

Shirley Bassey's first song was banned by The BBC for mentioning sex -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=epIdxoo4QcI

Every time The BBC plan for a war they ban " A Little Peace " -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UODTKKbYK9M
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[ ABOUT A PIECE OF RELIGIOUS BUSINESS BUT THIS FITS IN WELL HERE ]

On Friday, 2 June 2017, 23:57,

Dear XXXX

... ... ... ...

I brought this matter up at Cardiff's last Meeting for Business : I think that there is an argument to be made that the Quaker witness about not endorsing a particular political party does not lead to a blanket ban on letting premises to political parties provided we do not endorse any particular one. It is increasingly difficult for many political groups to find suitable premises to meet in and I think that it is our witness not only to support and counsel individuals in participating in politics but that the same logic should lead us to support and counsel groups. In other words our corporate witness is to promote both morality and ethics by supporting the public discourse in order to ensure that all opinions can find their expression not merely those backed by the wealthy.

This may help you understand : I wrote the following on Repwblic over the email which I forwarded to XXXX

Regards,

David B Lawrence

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As you all probably know by now I tend to take the view that I have grown so old and complicated that I do not really care to define myself in simple ways : I have over the course of my lifetime re-created myself and therefore not even the-god-that-I-do-not-believe-in-but-have-faith-in can be blamed for my being myself - as is everybody else ... I do not think that we should praise or blame others by applying labels to them e.g. " Socialists " so often turn out to be " Nazis." ... I find things to do as others do : one of the things which I do is to go to Cardiff Quaker Meeting where I often find the peace and quiet to worry over large tracts of " The Old Testament " and consider how to sort out the mess that Monotheism is in e.g. where are the Muslims in 21c Quakerism when in the first decades of its beginnings in the 17c The Koran was being so freely quoted from by Quakers ... I am frustrated that modern Quakers tend to muddle religion and politics together : my co-religionists fail to make the distinction between morals and ethics and whilst insisting that what they are doing is religious often go ahead and advocate ill-judged political policies ...

... this lack of understanding of what politics is sometimes leads into crazy situations where we let the premises to controversial groups on the basis that they are not political parties - yet refuse on those grounds to allow perfectly uncontroversial groups to meet because they are connected to a political party ... What Quakers fear is that we should be seen to favour or endorse a political party or - even worse - be compromised by association with those who are seeking votes or using voting to make a decision ... but on the other hand we are exhorted by Quaker Faith and Practice to either become engaged with politics or to counsel and support those who do so ...

... I think that this is part of the muddle and I think that this muddle is actually very recent : Quakers used to make a sharp distinction between their moralities as " The Testimonies " e.g. " Every person - male or female - is created equal " and their ethics as " The Witnesses " e.g. " Address every individual person as Thou : refuse to address as You those individuals who claim to be plural i.e. who lay claim to represent more than themselves and therefore personally possess a collective authority - as in " We : The King." ... My argument - from the evidence - is that the official history of Quakerism was concocted in the 1680s : in the 1650s The Religious Society of Friends was unmistakeably The Party of The Republic - which opposed both Cromwell and Charles II ... I believe that 17c Quakerism was the last gasp of Renaissance Religious Republicanism - which is why it fascinated and inspired both Spinoza and Voltaire ... sometimes even me : part of an argument which I am making -

https://thefriend.org - you can get an impression of it from reading online.

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From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 02 June 2017 21:34
To: David B. Lawrence
Subject: Fw: LETTER - we ought to be letting to political parties - we must witness against private cash replacing public debate.

Dear Editor of The Friend,

[ I MAKE THE COUNT 260 - IF YOU CAN ALLOW THAT ? ]

On the 8th June 2017 those who vote will mostly not know that others have already chosen their MP for them : millions of pounds rather than millions of votes have already determined the composition of The House of Commons. The cheque books of Gina Miller, Jeremy Hoskins and other wealthy backers have been used to support those candidates who favour their views and thus long before this public election there had been a private selection. In Quaker Faith and Practice we are advised to remember our responsibilities to civil society and to counsel and support those involved in political activities : I am arguing that this is a corporate not an individual witness.
[112]
The policy of most Area Meetings is to not let our premises to political parties lest it appear that we endorse any particular one of them and to decline to let to non-political groups whose values we do not agree with. For the sake of our appearance to non-Quakers we are contradicting our own religious witness : unless a person is entirely disrupting our Meeting for Worship we never exclude them for the beliefs which they hold. Our Quaker witness calls us not to be politically indifferent but to uphold everybody involved in political activities : we support and enable all public discourses and therefore we ought to be letting to political parties.
[112]
Aaron Banks effectively bankrolled UKIP and The EU Referendum and in buying what he desired he changed the fate of billions of people in hundreds of countries : we must witness against private cash replacing public debate.
[36]
David B Lawrence, Cardiff Meeting.
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Sat with Daf/Moritz listening to Any Questions and I thought ... mmm ... I wonder what Glooging " repwblic " images turns up at the mo ... go on - try it for yourself : where did all of that other stuff come from ? ... Did we do that ?



[ Later ] ... I walked home in a daze : I ought to scan and post the notes from my discussion with Daf ... I thought that he would denounce it as sacrilege to rotate The Eye Upon The Pyramid ninety degrees anti-clockwise so that it is more like The Eye in Optics looking sideways on with its top, middle and bottom rays being Communism, Socialism and Anarchism and The Triangle in The Base being bordered by Conservativism, Liberalism and Fascism. The advantage in portraying the various depictions of The Model is that the former are placed on The Left and the latter on The Right which is how we draw it in The 2D depiction of The Model ... Quite besides this Cardiff today is full of people dressed in Black and White and waving Red, White and Green Tricolours and nobody is getting arrested for it : a general amnesty apparently for the UEFA cup ... I hope that Wales wins ... [ DAMN : The Blueshirts beat The Black & Whites 4-1 ... too much defensive play ? ]

P.S. Whilst I chose to pass the evening having a row with my ex-ex-ex ( i.e. I foolishly chose after a year of Peace and Republicanism to begin to start talking to her again only a couple of days ago - as if I am incapable of learning the simple repetitive lesson of two decades ) her neighbour Banksy did something far more constructive which has an interesting bearing on The Electoral Registration & Administration Act 2013 ... I wish that I could come up with something as creative for my protest against The Democrats stuffing The Electoral Register with stolen names and claiming that this gives them an electoral mandate ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146544 -

Banksy makes election print-for-vote offer

... You will note that in the recent Local Authority Elections 2017 I did not repeat the protest of substituting a letter of protest for my ballot paper by sleight of hand : the reasoning behind this was that I needed to check that they had indeed entered my name on The Electoral Register without my consent and obtain a ballot paper as proof that they might issue the ballot without establishing the identity of the person who obtained it from them who might then be able to vote several times if they could get hold of several poll cards ( which I have actually also done - just to further expose what a mess The Electoral Registration and Adminstration Act 2013 has created.) ... Having obtained the evidence and challenged the officers over this fraud in my local polling station before getting my protest letter into the ballot box in front of them I feel a certain distaste for repeating the exercise : the matter is proven and it not my political objective to disturb others whilst they cast their ballots if they feel that they are freely giving their consent to something which they have faith in.

See - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=5449#5449

Declining Democracy by Refusing Registration ?


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Perhaps The UK General Election is exciting feeble minds to think that their " political violence " is self-explanatory and therefore needs no explanation because their concern needs no argument because their actions are obvious - well here is an explanation of my concern : politics consists of arguments and to cause the fact of violence is no explanation at all. " Political violence " is an oxymoron : if violence is the means by which you get what you want then you have no need to argue for it if it is effective. Since violence therefore requires no explanation it is not political because you do not obtain what you want by agreement and having obtained it you can only continue to keep it by using violence. The good news is that this is when all power is concentrated into a single community and it refuses therefore to listen to the other communities - i.e. to do politics - it becomes unreasonable and increasingly irrational and therefore incompetent to govern a society. ...

... This was the Republican critique of Monarchy when most European states were ruled by Kings or Emperors - it was not an opposition to Royalty per se as an opposition to incompetent Monocracies which resorted to violence as their means to resist those who rebelled against them because of the distress which those governments caused. In the middle of the 18c Republicans decided than Democracy would be a suitable remedy for Monocracies which were confronted by riots and insurrections because it would provide the means for poorer people to express their needs by electing Representatives to talk to The King ... those Representatives however inevitably tended to be Aristocrats i.e. Democratic Representatives were typically Aristocrats manipulating The Mob who in exchange for providing some minor concessions to The People in Poverty obtained the power to redefine The Public Interest to mean their own private interests : this is how in The United Kingdom we ended up with voting without ever obtaining a Democratic state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

'Fatalities' after central London vehicle and stabbing incidents

More than one person has died after an incident possibly involving a vehicle and stabbings in the London Bridge area of the capital, police have said. ... Armed police responded to reports of a van hitting pedestrians on the bridge in central London. ... The Met Police said officers were also at Borough Market nearby where they were responding to reports of stabbings. ... The force said they were also attending a reported incident in Vauxhall. ...
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I AM TRUDGING THROUGH THE TASK OF SAVING TEXTS LISTENING TO THE NEWS ABOUT THOSE VAN / KNIFE ATTACKS AND CAME TO THIS QUOTATION SEND TO ME 08-09-16 BY CURLY ... SORT OF RELEVANT ?

Some Cicero Cool

[32] But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing of a pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it ? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?

[33] On the other hand, we denounce with righteous indignation and dislike men who are so beguiled and demoralized by the charms of pleasure of the moment, so blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee the pain and trouble that are bound to ensue; and equal blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil and pain. These cases are perfectly simple and easy to distinguish. In a free hour, when our power of choice is untrammeled and when nothing prevents our being able to do what we like best, every pleasure is to be welcomed and every pain avoided. But in certain circumstances and owing to the claims of duty or the obligations of business it will frequently occur that pleasures have to be repudiated and annoyances accepted. The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero

... Among Cicero's admirers were Desiderius Erasmus, Martin Luther, and John Locke. Following the invention of Johannes Gutenberg's printing press, De Officiis was the second book printed in Europe, after the Gutenberg Bible. Scholars note Cicero's influence on the rebirth of religious toleration in the 17th century. ... While Cicero the humanist deeply influenced the culture of the Renaissance, Cicero the republican inspired the Founding Fathers of the United States and the revolutionaries of the French Revolution. John Adams said, "As all the ages of the world have not produced a greater statesman and philosopher united than Cicero, his authority should have great weight." Jefferson names Cicero as one of a handful of major figures who contributed to a tradition “of public right” that informed his draft of the Declaration of Independence and shaped American understandings of "the common sense" basis for the right of revolution. Camille Desmoulins said of the French republicans in 1789 that they were "mostly young people who, nourished by the reading of Cicero at school, had become passionate enthusiasts for liberty". ... Jim Powell starts his book on the history of liberty with the sentence: "Marcus Tullius Cicero expressed principles that became the bedrock of liberty in the modern world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_re_publica - the book whose rediscovery by Petrarch inspired Republicanism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Legibus - " On The Laws " in which Cicero argued for The Natural Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Officiis - " On Duties " describes how a non-political state corrupts the morality of society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_finibus_bonorum_et_malorum - " On The Ends of Good and Evil "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Inventione - " On Arguments " describes The Liberal Arts i.e. The Trivium and Quadrivium which became the basis of our university education and were the original BA and MA degrees.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737

London attack : Seven killed in van and knife incidents

The death toll has risen to seven, with 48 others injured, after the London terror attack in which three suspects were shot dead by police. ... ... Most political parties have suspended national general election campaigning in light of the attack, but UKIP leader Paul Nuttall said he would carry on because that was "precisely what extremists would want us to do". ... ...


I have an itch to be cynical about these suspensions of electioneering after these events ... could it merely be that The Democrats are miffed at being shoved off the front pages of the newspapers ? ... They are not good at speaking to these crises and this is where a revival of Civil Religion would be of benefit : these are occasions on which politicians should be making speeches about the need for our mutual unity ... but The Democrats do not deal in unifying our society but in dividing it in order to obtain our votes ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

... Jean-Jacques Rousseau coined the term in chapter 8, book 4 of The Social Contract (1762), to describe what he regarded as the moral and spiritual foundation essential for any modern society. For Rousseau, civil religion was intended simply as a form of social cement, helping to unify the state by providing it with sacred authority. In his book, Rousseau outlines the simple dogmas of the civil religion :

deity

afterlife

the reward of virtue and the punishment of vice

the exclusion of religious intolerance

... Italian historian Emilio Gentile has studied the roots and development of the concept and proposed a division of two types of religions of politics: a civil religion and a political religion. ... In the sociology of religion, civil religion is the folk religion of a nation or a political culture ...

[ I.E. A CIVIL / POLITICAL RELIGION INSPIRED BY REPUBLICANISM IS WHAT IOLO MORGANNWG WAS DOING WITH HIS BARDS AND DRUIDS IN THE LATE 18C / EARLY 19C AND THIS IN TURN LED TO THE EISTEDDFODS BEING INVOLVED IN THE LATE 19C CONTROVERSY OVER WHETHER IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR WELSH PEOPLE TO SING " YR HEN WLAD FY NHADAU " ALONGSIDE THE PRESCRIBED AND LEGAL WELSH ROYALIST ANTHEM " GOD SAVE THE PRINCE OF WALES."]
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I have just limped in footsore from just getting away from the filthy rubbish heaped up in the city by ... er ... who is responsible anyway ? ... Cardiff City County Council ? ... The Welsh Government ? ... The Welsh Rugby Union ... UEFA ? ... I thought of writing a poem debating who bribed whom ... perhaps they all bribed each other - just for the sake of appearances ? ... If there has been any soliciting of contributions going on you can bet your ... oh - they already took your bottom dollar ? ... Look - this is Wales and we only have poor corrupt officials ... in fact I suspect that we have the very worst kind of corruption - cut rate, dirt cheap, stack 'em ... oh enough of Casablanca - what about Rome ? ... I want a shot of Cicero - I have been having withdrawl symptoms ... let us start with a Free Kickeroo ... then a penalty ... take a corner - on my head butties ! ... and throw in a home goal - and no fouls !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42IDAP_6zcE - The Politics of Cicero (video lecture) - a general overview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZx0q_3rYI - His Year - Cicero (63 B.C.E.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UegK4zt5lxM - Law and Justice - Constitutional Crisis at Rome - 13.2 Cicero and Catiline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9JGAbMijg - Cicero, Brutus, and Antony ( from HBO series " Rome " )

I might here remark that amongst other things " The Open Hand " is an allusion to Cicero - guess why ?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865591820/This-week-in-history-Mark-Antony-has-Cicero-assassinated.html

This week in history: Mark Antony has Cicero assassinated - By Cody Carlson - For the Deseret News - Published: Dec. 4, 2013

... Drawing upon Seneca the Elder and Plutarch, Everitt reconstructed the event as Laenas and his centurion, Herennius, approached Cicero's litter :

“(Cicero) drew aside the the curtain of his litter a little and said: 'I am stopping here. Come here, soldier. There is nothing proper about what you are doing, but at least make sure you cut off my head properly.' Herennius trembled and hesitated. … ( Cicero ) stretched his neck as far as he could out of the litter and Herenius slit his throat. While this was being done, most of those who were standing around covered their faces. It took three sword strokes and some sawing to detach the head and then the hands were cut off.”

And so ended the life of Rome's greatest statesman. The Roman historian Plutarch noted that upon seeing Cicero's severed head Antony said, “Now we can end the proscription.” Cicero's hands and possibly his head were then nailed to the main platform in the senate, the very spot from which he'd launched his philippics against Antony. Cicero's dream of a restored Roman Republic was never realized, and eventually Octavian emerged as Rome's first emperor under the name Augustus. ...

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=477 -
La Main Ouverte - The Open Hand - Y Llaw Agored


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Have you the time for a dramadoc ? This was how Cicero became famous -

Time Watch : Murder in Rome - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUcDdUG22JU
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You might well ask as to whether I am thinking about The UK General Election at all given my taking time out above to think about Cicero ... Yes ... but I am thinking about the five years which will follow this election whichever party wins it ... Whichever way you look at it and whatever choices are made The United Kingdom - well, no : that is merely the non-political system which governs Wales and England ( of course - possibly not Scotland or Northern Ireland before the end of that five years ) - is going to pass through a period of economic uncertainty and as a result The City of London as a political enclave will patriotically invest its money in other countries ... We almost certainly are going to witness a rise in unemployment and a fall in the purchasing power of the incomes of those who still have jobs ... Taxes are likely to rise steeply and there may be a flight of capital to the European and American banks ... therefore interest rates will rise and the burden of debt is going to rise with it with many more house repossessions ... it may well be that pensions will fall with the decline of economic activity - frankly I am feeling sick to my stomach as I stab at my computer writing this : remember Cicero's opponent Cataline ? The basis for Cataline's rise to power was the distress of The People in Debt.

Just because our society has been moving slowly and smoothly into economic decline for over fifty years is no guarantee that the next throw of the dice will not turn up " snake eyes." Successive governments of The United Kingdom have been behaving like gambling addicts for decades and what they have been staking is what we generally refer to as The National Debt ... but exactly what is that ? ... Think of The City of London being like a casino - well, not like - it is a casino but it does something extra-ordinary which no casino indeed not even your local amusement arcade would do : it allows its customers to purchase chips with cheques against accounts which have no money in them ... Gambler's Anonymous ought to be campaigning against this practice : chips are issued to The Treasury in return for promises to pay in the future - i.e. each Chancellor of The Exchequer hopes to win more than they borrow and so repay their debts ... guess what ? ... The tax payers are in the position of parents on the pier who indulgently give a few pennies to my small pink frilly nieces who insist that just one more penny will result in a cascade of pennies out of the Penny Falls ... it seems to me that even when Dad is refusing to cash in another £50 note and Mum is digging through her purse in case some last penny lurks in the lining neither of them have the courage to say " No ! "

Not a single penny ever drops : but perhaps it will not matter when every penny is worthless ?

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1383
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-poll-latest-tories-majority-miss-seats-yougov-survey-labour-theresa-may-a7773106.html

General election poll: Tories will miss Commons majority by 21 seats, finds latest YouGov survey - Joe Watts Political Editor

Prime Minister Theresa May is set to fall 21 seats short of a majority in the House of Commons, according to a projection by polling company YouGov. ... The study showed that the Conservatives would win 305 seats, fewer than won by David Cameron and shy of the 326 needed to pass laws with a majority. ... ... The opposition Labour Party is likely to win 268 seats, YouGov's model showed on Monday, up from 261 on Saturday.

I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD RESULT - THEY WOULD HAVE TO BARGAIN FOR LEGISLATION

MEANWHILE ... I have been reflecting upon the unfinished business of The Charter - now 180 years overdue : annual parliaments in order to hold The Democrats to account whilst their errors and abuses are still fresh in The Minds of The People ... The arguments back in Georgian times was about " rotten boroughs " and " pocket boroughs " which were either in the gift of an Aristocrat or which were regularly bought by lavish expenditure in rowdy violent elections where the handfuls of electors and the voteless mobs attending them in which the former were given a lot of expensive dinners to bribe them and the latter a lot of cheap booze to threaten them. ... The Chartists were fiscally conscientious and usually for Temperance too and having read their Cicero they were very concerned about The Rule of Law and wanted a proper professional police force and not the corrupt county constabularies which turned a blind eye according to the instructions of their employers The Aristocrats ... The Chartists therefore argued for The Secret Ballot to replace voting in front of the threatening mobs and the bribing candidates - but all that has resulted is that the threats and bribes have become more covert because we have no laws to control this non-political system which is called The United Kingdom : The 19c Democrats were created by The 19c Republicans who believed that they would reform The House of Commons and put an end to its corruption - but they badly misjudged the temptations presented by that institution. In particular The Democrats rejected Annual Elections to hold them to account because of the ruinous cost of bribing the voters every year and the fact that if they chose to threaten them instead they could not pull that stunt the following year - or at least not every year ...

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I was having a little joke with myself earlier this evening about these new pound coins : if the economy crashes The Democrats can knock out the middles to save a bit of money ... and rename The Royal Mint as The Polo Mint ... There is a serious political point to this joke : The Royal Mint is arguably the longest surviving governmental institution in The United Kingdom - arguably a thousand years or more older than The Monarchy ... Most of The People in Wales think that money is something which has some kind of existence independent of the government ( I see money as intrinsically worthless : the use of it is merely a measure of human desire ) but money is in fact the result of politics ... Money in our pockets as cash is but the minor part of the money in circulation but it is not created by desire or labour or any kind of natural economic process but by legislation. Most money is created by the issue of government bonds, the licensing of banks to create the " funny munny " of credit by which they write their own cheques with their fingers crossed over their pens, and by indebting The People i.e. when The Feudal System came to an end circa 1399 serfdom did not really end : instead of paying the rent with a pig the serfs were told to pay it in cash because it was more convenient for their landlords The Aristocrats who found it very inconvenient to pop down to Waitrose with a pig under each servant's arm not to mention the unpleasant business of any purchase which involved obtaining change from a payment by pig ... This is why The Aristocrats legislated so that shopkeepers had to give them goods on credit and allow them to settle their accounts later ... i.e. that was the point at which good old fashioned banditry became evil new fangled nobility ... Eventually The Democrats legislated to make such credit available for everybody so that The Aristocrats can rob us more discretely.

So if you have ever wondered why your wages are so small or your debts so large the answer is that this is the result of legislation not of market forces - because there is no such thing as a " Free Market " - not even if you opt into some kind of Anarchism which gets rid of government entirely. The realistic option is to have a government which regulates the market in an open and transparent way as recommended by my favourite Anarcho-Republican theory - " The Open Conspiracy " ... I know - " The New Republicanism " of a hundred years or so ago is looking a bit tired and dated but " The Open Society " and all of its allied ideals is still for me the most Rational and Reasonable approach to sorting out the problems of The People in The World and far more desirable than some brittle ideological orthodoxy which is dispensed as if carved on tablets of stone for all time. It is far better to put a bandage on an injured limb instead of amputating it according to the assertion that a new and better one will grow in its place. The important thing to understand is that The United Kingdom is but a heap of legislation and that we can cut this off from our society confident that something better will indeed grow in its place : it is merely something which clothes a body which is otherwise healthy - we can replace it with The United Republic in the same way that we can discard faded torn dirty clothes and perhaps have a bath and a haircut and feel better immediately. As to the new clothes which we then choose to wear - I would prefer us to move with the times and always choose the latest Republican fashion : it is after all a tried and tested and popularly endorsed brand.
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First The Aristocrats make their selections_Secondly The Democrats declare their elections_Thirdly The Hierocrats give out directions_For Forthly The People to fulfill their predictions_Fifthly The Monocrats will suppress insurrections. // Fifthly The Monocrats will suppress protestations

Thirdly The Aristocrats make their selections_
Secondly The Democrats declare their elections_
Firstly The Hierocrats give out directions_
For The People in Poverty to fulfill their predictions_
Fourthly The Monocrats will suppress our protestations.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

Why did I rearrange " Firstly " to " Thirdly " ?

" The Four Estates " was the political theory taught by The Papacy in Medieval Europe whose highest international court in Rome was The Rota ( which Harrington proposed in Oceana to recreate for Protestant nations.) Perhaps unsurprisingly it turned out that in this adaptation of Classical Republican political theory The Church - as the last surviving institution of The Holy Roman Empire in The West - was The First Estate and highest political authority i.e. The Pope claimed to be Heaven's ultimate representative on Earth and therefore as The Chief Priest of The Hierocracy he was the dispenser of God's delegated Right to Rule - i.e. the fictional idea of " Sovereignty " - to The Second Estate - The Monocracy i.e. those who had butchered their way to power over others and wanted their Kingdoms, Earldoms, Dukedoms etc to be proclaimed as legitimate. The most powerful Monocrats in Europe were a bunch of Teutonic thugs who persuaded The Popes to recognise them as The Holy Roman Emperors although they were certainly not Emperors, Romans or Holy.

It was a row between The Holy Roman Empire and The Holy See of Rome which led to a monk called Martin Luther being let off being burned at the stake if he would advocate against The Pope, start The Reformation, let each Monocrat decide his own Religion, give each Aristocrat a bigger profit margin and licence every Democrat to kill The People ... The Aristocrats were The Third Estate whose incomes were derived from feudal dues, rents and shares in the loot of companies of warriors who initially went on Crusade but gradually became merchants ... The Democrats were The Fourth Estate who were typically farmers, burghers or craftsmen who owned the property which they worked in : when you hear Democrats talking of " a property owning Democracy " they are demonstrating this Medieval Mindset in which only those who held a specified amount of property could have a vote ... Women in " The Four Estates Theory " were accounted for as effectively being the property of men and most men were landless serfs and therefore the property of other men also ...

I will not write about it here but " The Four Estates Theory " was more or less updated by Marxists to account for how industrialisation had erupted into European society and disrupted this political system based upon landholding. To possess the right to vote in 19c Wales and England you still had to possess property whose value met the electoral threshold and in order to get votes Chartists bought up farms and divided them into plots as smallholdings which qualified their occupiers for votes. Others campaigned for everybody to be qualified to vote by reaching the age of 21 and The United Kingdom finally got adult suffrage in 1949. The Marxist argument that " Class " has replaced " Estate " however is not credible: social relationships are far more complicated so that society has many bonds within it that hold it together against the economic relationships which are threatening to tear it apart. " The Four Estates Theory " however is still useful if you disregard its basis in property.

I looked back to Aristotle, Cicero. Machiavelli etc and re-arranged " The Four Estates Theory " in terms of defects in consciousness i.e. akin to Marx's " False Consciousness."

First Estate = modern Hierocracy = obtains power through ideologies : journalists, broadcasters, bloggers etc = LIES
Second Estate = modern Democracy = obtains power through emotional manipulation = elected politicians = HATRED
Third Estate = modern Aristocracy = obtains power through economic enslavement = manufacturers of markets = SLAVERY
Fourth Estate = modern Monocracy = obtains power through violence = WAR

All of those in " The Four Estates " are Ultraists who argue for their own private interests against The Altruists who advocate for The Public Interest of those with -

No Estate = modern Nomocracy = obtains power through being rational and reasonable using arguments which are based upon The Facts of The Life of The People in Wales and The World =

NOMOCRACY = TRUTH + LOVE + LIBERTY + PEACE = LIFE

Nomocracy = " The Power in The Law " = De Res Publica

i.e. The Law is our agreed definition of The Public Good - " The Rule of Law " is the political objective of " Y Repwblic."

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[ COMMENT FROM A FRIEND OF MOST OF THE PEOPLE ]

Hi David - yes I like this and do think you're on the right lines! But might the Democrats be first? ;-)

Also the plutocrats will exercise dark powers and the hypocrites will steal what is ours while the hippycrats dance among the flowers...

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Yes - I am trying to reduce the whole mind-boggling extent of thousands of years of diverse Republican debates to just five words so that the essential values of Republican politics can be easily remembered by looking at your own right hand with its fingers and thumb spread wide as you give a cheery wave to The People in Wales and The World and in doing so signify to them that you too believe in Truth, Love, Liberty, Peace and - then swing those four fingers around and give each other a big smile and the thumbs-up for - Life.

Not this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40178183

Paris's Notre-Dame: Attacker shot outside cathedral

French police say they have shot a man outside the cathedral of Notre-Dame in Paris, after he tried to attack an officer using a hammer. ... The attack comes just three days after extremists used a van and knives in an attack in London which left seven dead.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote something somewhere recently hereabouts upon " The Open Conspiracy " which was a movement before World War II inspired by H G Wells' who was one of the advocates of " The New Republicanism " before World War I - and another thing anywhere somewhere about " The Angel of The Armistice " being the name of the statue on The Welsh National War Memorial and not " Victory " because I believe that David Davies sponsored it and his project in The Temple of Health and Peace was to promote The League of Nations ... but ... both H G Wells and David Davies subscribed to the idea that The League of Nations would keep The Peace by bombing into the ground those in arms below using a huge international air force ... H G Wells often predicted the future far too optimistically : it does not work ...




[ I ASKED ON THE TALK PAGE - ]

In the article the statue is named as " Victory " but is there evidence for that name as opposed to " The Angel of The Armistice " ?

I have been walking to and fro past this statue of what I presume religiously to be The Archangel Michael but I do not call it that. Presumeably in reference to " the going down of the sun " the statue faces the gateway which opens to the west. I have always taken the symbolism to literally be a double edged sword : in its right i.e. dexter hand the angel holds up the cross as a sign of eternal peace towards those who have sacrificed their lives - but equally the implication is that this is also a sword and it can be transferred to its left i.e. sinister hand. I read the symbolism as saying " Disobey God and war will return " i.e. that the expressed wish is for peace but the gesture implies a readiness for war : in 1918 there was not Peace but an Armistice.

Hence I habitually refer to it as " The Angel of The Armistice " and I thought that is in fact its title - not " Victory " - and I thought that David Davies had had something to do with its creation because of his campaigning for The League of Nations and building The Temple of Health and Peace around the same time - so is there any evidence that it really is called " Victory " ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Peace_and_Health

" ... Lord Davies wished for the Temple of Peace and Health to be "a memorial to those gallant men from all nations who gave their lives in the war that was to end war" and so it was dedicated to the memory of those who laid down their lives in that war. Davies had fought in the trenches during this war, and was actively involved in the search for stable international order through the League of Nations and the League of Nations Union. ... " what doth it profit a nation if it gains the whole world and loses its own soul ? " ... "DaiSaw (talk) 22:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davies,_1st_Baron_Davies

" ... He was an active supporter of the League of Nations. In 1932 he established the New Commonwealth Society for ‘the promotion of international law and order’, writing several books on the right use of force, notably The Problem of the Twentieth Century ( 1930,) which was translated into German and other languages. His ideas influenced the writing of the United Nations Charter, especially with regards to sanctions and the transition of national armies to an international police. He endowed perhaps the world's first Chair in International Politics, established in honour of Woodrow Wilson in 1919 at the University College of Wales, Aberystwyth, which also hosts the David Davies Memorial Institute of International Studies. ... "

http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s2-DAVI-DAV-1880.html

DAVIES , DAVID of Llandinam ( 1880 - 1944 ), first BARON DAVIES (created 1932) ;

" ... His name will be inseparably connected with his two main public interests-the Welsh campaign against tuberculosis and the international crusade for world peace ... ... From 1919 David Davies was equally tireless in the pursuit of international peace , carrying on the tradition of the Welsh pioneers Richard Price , Robert Owen , and Henry Richard . A founder of the League of Nations Union , he later gained prominence as the foremost advocate of strengthening the League of Nations by the creation of an International Police Force . In 1932 he established the New Commonwealth Society for ‘the promotion of international law and order’ , writing several books on the right use of force, notably The Problem of the Twentieth Century ( 1930 ). In Nov. 1938 , one of his ambitions was realised in the completion of the Temple of Peace and Health in Cathays Park , Cardiff ... "
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Oh yeah - in addition to the above you might like to notice that the avatar for the administration on Y Repwblic is the aforementioned " The Angel of The Armistice " from The Welsh National War Memorial - and ... yes - there were various destructive groups which steadily rent The Welsh Republican Movement into pieces during the decades 1950s, 1960s and 1970s - some on The Far Left ( Dark Reds ) and some on The Far Right ( Dark Greens ) - and the bombing of The Temple of Peace in 1969 by MAC ( Dark Red ) is an extremely sore point with conventional centre ground ( Whiter than White ) " Civs " i.e. Civil / Civic Republicans who are generally Internationalists and Pacifists and as often as not members of UNA, IFOR, PPU, WRI, CND etc ... I have to therefore point out again that the ideas that most of The People in Wales have about Republicanism and Republicans are the result of historical propaganda whose objective was always to encourage those who wanted an excuse to do violence to claim that Republicanism justifies and advocates it - hence occasionally Marianne, Daf and Dai ( myself ) have had confrontations with dangerous fools who know nothing of Republicanism but publicly and ardently claim to be Republicans and strike postures and make threats : egotistic fantasists who imagine themselves to be the future glorious leaders of some historic " revolution." The Reality in Republicanism is of a paper-shuffling drudgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudiad_Amddiffyn_Cymru

If you are concerned about the oxymoron " political violence " then look into The History in Wales ... in the 18c The Tories ( not yet The Conservatives ) incited mob violence against The Republicans in Wales ... in the 19c both The Tories and The Whigs ( not yet The Liberal Democrats ) authorised the use of truncheons, sabres, bayonets, rifles and pistols and riding down and trampling under the hooves of horses upon The People in Wales ... not to mention that they were fining, jailing, transporting and hanging their political critics ... these hypocrites then blamed The People in Demonstrations for deciding to try to protect themselves as they did on the march into Newport in 1839 with front ranks of home made pikes to fend off the cavalry expected and an assortment of small arms to return fire ... The last occasion on which The Army opened fire with rifles on The People in Wales was in Llanelli in 1911 : not only is that not so long ago but the circumstances in which it took place were almost exactly replicated here in Cardiff only a few days ago where jittery police persons clutching machine guns to their chests were being jostled by an excitable crowd ...

[ I thought that I might find a suitable video of some humdrum IDF crowd control activity here but what makes it to Youtube is mostly for pro or con polemical purposes and so is unsuitable.]

... I have a deep aversion to guns of any sort and I strongly object to them being in the hands of inadequate young men whose heads are full of the lies of war movies : I wish no disrespect to the average police officer ( not to the bent coppers though ) but they are not trained to handle guns in crowds and an " accident " is all too likely ... In watching rather too many videos of the Israeli Defence Force confronting crowds and infiltrating neighbourhoods in which they may well be targeted by gunmen - and my stomach turns at the thought of these - I have instinctively come to recognise their tactics ... The South Wales Police are not using them and whilst I am not about to point out your errors - friends - I want to once more appeal to you : either get The British Army in to do the job properly or bring in The IDF to train you in how it can be safely done - remember what happened in 1839 ? A fool fired a pistol at the door when it was shut in his face ... Remember how The American War of Independence began on Lexington Green ? A fool stumbled over his musket whilst holding the trigger ... A fool ( no - it is too dangerous to say it : but I want to advise against this stupidity.)

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-alamo-caused-massacre-welsh-2426316

Man from The Alamo caused massacre of Welsh rebels

A NEW book claims to have solved a 165-year-old Welsh mystery - who fired the first shot during Newport's infamous Chartist riots that left 20 demonstrators dead.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Man-Alamo-John-Humphries/dp/1589803353

The Man from the Alamo - by John Humphries - ISBN-10: 1589803353

John Rees, soldier and freedom fighter, was a shadowy figure who surfaced during two crucial nineteenth-century revolts and then disappeared from history. For the first time, John Humphries reveals the fate of the man first mentioned as a member of the New Orleans Greys, who fought for Texan Independence at the Alamo and narrowly escaped execution at the Goliad Mission. Later, he was one of the main agitators in the doomed Welsh Chartist movement, where twenty-four Chartists were killed or died later of their injuries. A further 125 were arrested and of those, 21 were charged with high treason and two were condemned to death but this was commuted to transportation for life. John Rees managed to retreat to the American West.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40181444

Theresa May: Human rights laws could change for terror fight

Theresa May has said she will change human rights laws if they "get in the way" of tackling suspected terrorists. ... ... Speaking after the London attack, Mrs May said "enough is enough" and said "things need to change" in the terror fight. ... ... "And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court. "And if our human rights laws get in the way of doing it, we will change the law so we can do it." ... ...

[ WHICH I FIND CHILLING - " I DO NOT UNDERSTAND DAI REPWBLIC - SO HE SHOULD BE TERRORISED ! " ]

Analysis by the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg

Sources suggest if elected on Friday, Theresa May might consider ideas of curfews, controls on who people can visit and suspects' access to communications. ... ... More controversially, she made it plain tonight that if that means the government would have to change the laws on human rights, she is prepared to do so. ... ... Tory sources deny that flatly, saying they would not pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights but instead, seek fresh derogations - essentially legal opt-outs. ... ... Conservative sources said they would not withdraw from the ECHR but would seek opt-outs called "derogations" from certain aspects. ... ... Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron accused the prime minister of launching a "nuclear arms race" in terror laws. ... "All she would do is reduce freedom, not terrorism," he said.

[ I.E. " THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT 1998 " CONTAINS NO RIGHTS WHICH THE COURTS CAN ENFORCE AGAINST THE UNITED KINGDOM GOVERNMENT - THEREFORE IT CONTAINS NO HUMAN RIGHTS : IT IS ALREADY THE CASE THAT A MINISTER CAN SUSPEND THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP AND FAILING THAT THE HOUSE OF COMMONS CAN PASS A BILL OF ATTAINDER AND PUNISHMENT WITHOUT TRIAL IS SIMPLY LYNCH LAW.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40176990

London attack: What new anti-terror powers could be used ? - Dominic Casciani

Recent attacks in London and Manchester have sparked calls for something to be done about the UK's counter-terrorism laws. But what could an incoming government practically achieve by creating new powers to pursue and lock up suspects ? ... ... This looks very much like an attempt to return the current TPim restrictions - a form of house arrest - closer to what they used to be when they were called control orders. Those orders were created by Labour in 2004 and they included long curfews and restrictions on who people could meet and communicate with. They were abolished by the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition and replaced by less restrictive TPims in 2011. ... The human rights law issue may be less dramatic than it sounds. States can "derogate" or suspend their observance of parts of the European Convention of Human Rights if they need to. Tony Blair's government did it in 2001 to create a form of detention without charge for foreign suspects who could not be deported - something I will come back to. ...

... If violent extremists are plotting together, the group can be jointly charged with conspiracy - an agreement to commit a crime. ... ...

[ #### !!! CONSPIRACY IS WHAT THE WELSH SOCIALIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT WERE CHARGED WITH USING FORGED CONFESSIONS ]

... These days, the most regularly used offence is the crime of preparing an act of terrorism. Parliament designed it to allow the police to arrest and charge at the earliest possible stage of a plot to minimise the risk to public safety. ... There are other offences such as possessing information useful to terrorism that covers everything from a bomb manual to an extremist publication. ...

[ " EXTREMIST " IS A NOTORIOUSLY PLASTIC DEFINITION - I DENOUNCE THE DEMOCRATS FOR EXTREMISM : PURE REPUBLICANISM IS EXTREMIST BUT I AM NOT A TERRORIST - EVEN IF I HAVE TERRIFIED A FEW POORLY EDUCATED DEMOCRATS ... BUT THIS IS NO JOKE : I HAVE SAT BEFORE A COMMITTEE AND BEEN ABUSED BY A LABOUR AND COOPERATIVE PARTY DEMOCRAT WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT MONTESQUIEU WAS A REPUBLICAN AND YES I TOO AM A REPUBLICAN - AND THE SILK COMMISSION REFUSED TO PUBLISH MY SUBMISSION WHICH WAS TWENTY PAGES OF ARGUMENT ... OK : I THREW IN A FEW BAD JOKES TOO - BUT THEY PUBLISHED SOME REALLY FEEBLE-MINDED SCRAWLS - EVEN A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER ... THE FACT IS THAT ONE IN FIVE ADULTS IN WALES AND ENGLAND - ONE IN FOUR IN SCOTLAND ? - ONE IN TWO IN NORTHERN IRELAND ? - PROFESS THEMSELVES TO BE " REPUBLICAN " ... IF A " REPUBLICAN " IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE DEMOCRATS TO BE A " CRIMINAL EXTREMIST " HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DEAL WITH FIFTEEN MILLION OF US " POTENTIAL CRIMINALS " - ? ... I AM VERY PROUD TO BE AN EXTREMIST ! ]

... But sometimes these crimes become quite complicated to present to a jury, particularly around the accusations of encouraging or glorifying a particular act. The definition of terrorism is quite long and complex - and prosecutors like to keep things simple for members of the public who have to decide a suspect's fate. ... One crime that has been occasionally talked up in relation to terrorism is treason. This law is so old it's written in medieval French. ... So how is the 1351 act relevant today? Because it's about "waging war" against one's own land. ...

[ YEAH - WE HAVE SEEN ALL THIS BEFORE : THE MAGISTRATES LOOKED VERY SURPRISED WHEN WE APPEALED TO THE CLERK OF COURT IN THE COMMUNITY CHARGE TELEPHONE BOOK TRIALS - " REALLY ? WE CAN NOT JUST IMMEDIATELY CONVICT THEM ? THE PROSECUTION HAS TO PRESENT EVIDENCE ? THERE HAS TO BE A TRIAL ? BUT THAT WILL TAKE UP ALL OF THE REST OF THE DAY - WE HAVE TO CONVICT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN TIME FOR LUNCH ... " - " YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A TRIAL M'LUDD - IT IS THE MACHINERY OF THE LAW ! " - " SOD THAT - SINE DIE ! " ... THANK GOD THERE WAS NO JURY : A JUDGE WOULD HAVE JUST TOLD THEM THAT TRIALS AND EVIDENCE WAS MERE PROCEDURE AND DIRECTED THEM TO CONVICT US IMMEDIATELY - AND MOST JURIES WOULD MEEKLY DO SO.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5supfAhefY - Trump & Felony Treason

[ WHAT THIS DOMINIC CASCIANI HAS NOT MENTIONED IS THE TREASON FELONY ACT 1848 WHICH IS THE BANE OF OUR LIVES AS REPUBLICANS : IT IS ABOUT IMAGINING THAT SOVEREIGNTY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE QUEEN BUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE E.G. TO THE PEOPLE : IN THE UNITED KINGDOM DEMOCRACY IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL YET THE CONSTITUTION IS SUCH A MURKY MESS THAT THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER STRENUOUSLY ASSERT THAT WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY ASSERTING THAT " SOVEREIGNTY " IS DEFINED AS " THE CROWN IN PARLIAMENT " ... IN REALITY THE PRIME MINISTER IS AN ELECTED DICTATOR WHO DECIDES NOT ONLY WHEN MPS WILL RISE BUT HOW HIGH THEY WILL RISE ...

... THE " EXTREMIST " POINT OF VIEW WHICH I HOLD IS THAT IT IS THE LAW WHICH PUTS THE CROWN ON THE MONARCH'S HEAD AND THEREFORE IF SOVEREIGNTY EXISTS IT IS IN THE LAW : HOWEVER I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT " SOVEREIGNTY " EXISTS AT ALL - IT IS A FICTION, A RELIC OF THE RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGIES USED BY THE MEDIEVAL PAPACY TO ASSERT THAT IT WAS THE FIRST ESTATE AND EMPOWERED BY GOD TO DISPENSE HIS DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE WHOLE WORLD IN SMALLER AMOUNTS TO LEGITIMISE THOSE IN THE SECOND ESTATE WHO HAD TERRORISED THE PEOPLE IN THEIR SMALLER PARTS OF THE WORLD INTO HANDING OVER THEIR MONEY TO THEM : THIS BANDITRY COULD BE CONVERTED INTO KINGSHIP BY GIVING THE PAPACY A PERCENTAGE OF THE LOOT IN EXCHANGE FOR A VIAL OF OIL ... IF THEY DID NOT ... THE PAPACY EXCOMMUNICATED THE KING INVOLVED AND THEN HE WAS NO LONGER A LEGITIMATE KING AND HIS KINGDOM WAS UP FOR CRUSADE BY ALL THOSE OTHER GREASY HAIRED BANDITS. ...

... THE MOST RATIONAL AND REASONABLE APPROACH TO " SOVEREIGNTY " IS TO DISCARD THE IDEA : THE LAW IS SUFFICIENT UNTO ITSELF AND IT IS RATHER FOOLISH TO MAKE LAWS TO ENFORCE BELIEFS IN IMAGINARY THINGS - E.G. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO INSIST THAT " SOVEREIGNTY IS IN THE LAW " BECAUSE THE PRACTICAL THING TO DO IS TO MAKE A LAW WHICH ANNOUNCES " YOU SEE THIS HERE LINE ? IF YOU CROSS IT - WE WILL BASH YOU : GO ON - IF YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE HARD ENOUGH : JUST EVEN TRY STEPPING ON IT !!! " ... NOW ... I DO NOT WANT TO CONFESS TO ANYTHING : BUT DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TREASON FELONY ACT 1848 AND THE PRESENT CULTIVATION OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS " EXTREMISTS " ? ... IF JESUS CAME BACK NOW PREACHING THAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN HAS COME AND ALL OF THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD ARE NO MORE - THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY HIM AS A DANGEROUS EXTREMIST - AND IF HE DID THIS IN WALES THEY WOULD BE TERRIFIED OUT OF THEIR WITS AND HAVE HIM NAILED UP AS AN EXAMPLE OF A DANGEROUSLY PURE REPUBLICAN.]

I SWEAR THAT HE IS WELSH - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

[ ... AND THE REST OF THE ARTICLE ? ]

... specialist terrorist prosecutors have always found another crime that is more fitting - such as membership of a terrorist organisation ... unless Parliament wants to increase sentences for lesser offences, such as those committed by people supporting the violent actions of others ... [ OH - GREAT : " DAI REPWBLIC MADE ME DO IT " - AND WE KNOW THAT THE POLICE HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED FOR COERCING CRIMINALS TO MAKE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE IN EXCHANGE FOR A LESSER CONVICTION ] ... bringing back the death penalty ... Since 9/11, the UK has introduced lots of powers to deal with terrorism outside of the criminal law - all of these are aimed at people that MI5 thinks are up to no good, but the police can't get the evidence to get them into a criminal court ... The home secretary can cancel passports, temporarily exclude a British national, freeze assets and strip British nationality from people ... Before TPims and their predecessor control orders, Tony Blair's government tried detention without charge ... When David Cameron was PM and Theresa May at the Home Office, they proposed a counter-extremism bill aimed at controlling the behaviour of people who oppose British values but stop short of turning to violence ...

[ OH GREAT : THERESA - HOW COULD YOU SEND ME SUCH A NICE REPLY TO MY LETTER - AND THEN THUS ELICIT FROM ME BOTH A PROEM AND A CARTOON OF YOURSELF AND YOUR HUSBAND IN BED WITH MY LETTER - AND THEN JAIL ME WITHOUT EVEN CONVICTING ME OF A CRIME ? ... ]

[ ... WAS IT THE CARTOON ? ... IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT BAD : I THOUGHT THAT YOU TOOK MY IDEA AND HAD YOUR HUSBAND SIT WITH YOU ON A TV CHAT SHOW SOFA ? ... ]
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ONCE MORE THE CALL HAS GONE OUT FROM ROATH_But we are dragging our heels for we are loath -_" Oh for God's sake Daf - we're growing old ! "_Thus The Cardiff Illuminati fondly scold_But of course we are bound by The Hippy Cratic Oath

ONCE MORE THE CALL HAS GONE OUT FROM ROATH_
But we are dragging our heels for we are loath -_
" Oh for God's sake Daf - we're growing old ! "_
Thus The Cardiff Illuminati fondly scold_
But of course we are bound by The Hippy Cratic Oath.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts the right - not to sue for copyright !

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The UK General Election has been one long shower_The Light has been invisible each and every dismal hour_But all day Curly has been busy for he intends to make_A big fruit loaf to imitate an American Election Cake_Which he will raise to prove once more that in Wales we still have flour power ! = https://newengland.com/today/food/election-cake-history-recipe/ = dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for


The UK General Election has just been one long shower_
The Light has been invisible each and every dismal hour_
But all day Curly has been busy for he intends to make_
A big fruit loaf to imitate The American Election Cake_
Which he will raise to prove once more that here in Wales we still have flour power !
Which he will raise to prove once more that we have flour power !

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

https://newengland.com/today/food/election-cake-history-recipe/
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