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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:39 pm    Post subject: When did you start beating your wife? Reply with quote

So called president Trump has made a law Domestic Violence is LEGAL.

Actually, it's not the Monkey, it's the Organ-Grinder.

REAL president Putin has made wife-beating legal in Russia.

Meanwhile SpT makes torture legal in USA.

Does this mean that the monkey is twice as evil as the organ-grinder.
Putin makes it legal to torture 50% of EVERYBODY
Trump makes it legal to torture EVERYBODY

But President Putin is the Organ-Grinder. Putin is lawfully responsible for the acts of his monkey.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:42 pm    Post subject: Quiet Flows the Don Reply with quote

14,000 women in Russia die at the hands of their husbands or partners each year. 60, 000 face domestic abuse.

But are these figures high enough? Vladimir Putin thinks the country can do better.

He is himself an experienced and ,at one time, a regular wife beater according to his ex spouse, Ludmilla Putina. He is anxious to expand the scope for enjoying this manly sport, by decriminalising domestic violence in all cases where it does not lead to broken bones or concussion.

Donald Trump is more interested in torture in the public sphere. But he has indulged in a bit of painful marital rape according to a cogent and wince making account by Ivana.

The Donald's press agent said - inaccurately - that in New York State at that time, it was not a criminal offence to rape your own wife. I thought, ''That's his defence? He's not going to deny he did it?''
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Mother Russia Reply with quote

Russia has been ruled by some autocratic czarinas. But this was not by design.

The Russian throne was occupative rather than strictly hereditary. Catherine the Great was a foreigner, a German who married a Czar, murdered him, and took the throne.

There was nothing in Russian culture of respect for women or even chivalry towards them. Several Russian sayings elucidate the meme that women are not human beings.

Just like chilly Nepal, Orthodox Russia had menstrual huts - allegedly. Matilda Joslyn Gage recounted the story of a Russian woman who became a victim of extreme domestic violence amounting to torture.

She tried to take shelter with an Orthodox priest. He dragged her back for more .

Women were among the goods that some early Bolsheviks wanted to hold in common. Communism sat on misogyny in a sense. It introduced a kind of rough comradely equality.

Some foreign visitors felt uneasy to see so many women doing hard manual labour that in their own countries was reserved for burly men. For much of the Communist era, most doctors in Russia were women. And this meant that it was not a respected profession.

For Communism had not eliminated misogyny, only suppressed it.

I'll stick my neck out and say that all Slavic societies are exceptionally male dominated. Often a suitor will be charming and devoted, then -WHAM! - overnight he turns into a controlling freakish monster. I've known this to happen twice, and I think that's a good representative sample.

My Croatian husband used to get confrontational with female librarians and primary school teachers. A lady who did a survey for me had a lot of trouble with Serbian fathers while working in a primary school. She asked me, in all seriousness, if women were allowed to be teachers in Serbia.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:34 pm    Post subject: ulinamiz Reply with quote

The bill legalising domestic violence has gone through the Duma, and waits only for Putin's signature. It is not law yet, but it soon will be.

The bill is supported not only by the Russian Orthodox Church but the female misogynist politician, Yelena Mizulina. She sees it as an important component in defending 'traditional morality.'

She says it is better for a man to be a wife beater than for a woman to humiliate a man. She has also brought in legislation against 'gay propaganda', and is known to 'condemn' births out of wedlock.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:53 pm    Post subject: water boarding Reply with quote

I almost idolize the New Atheist Sam Harris. Yet even he was so shaken up by 9/11 that while, he did not want torture to be legal, he thought it might be excusable in some limited circumstances. This statement was a gift to his enemies.

He has been quite open with his views on Trump. He thinks he's a 'dangerous imbecile' who doesn't really know what's going on. It'll be quite hard for him to set out his position, now that Trump has come out in favour of torture.

Trump has echoed Michael Howard's mantra that 'prison works.' He says, ''Torture works.''

Some exceptionally intelligent people noticed centuries ago that under torture, anyone will confess to being a witch eventually. They will confess to anything.

Wasn't John Fortescue the jurist who pointed out the defective sense of using torture? Of course it is a disgusting and uncivilized thing to do. But furthermore, information gained through torture is unreliable.

Trump has been in office a week, and he's already taking us back to the days of the Inquisition. So who is worse, Putin or Trump?

There's not much to choose between them. Is Putin more dangerous because he's cleverer? Or is Trump more dangerous because he's dense and crazy?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.welshwomensaid.org.uk/

I used to go out with a Welsh Women's Aid worker - somebody who was always sensitive etc - and my experience with that crowd was that many who most ardent about denouncing it - because of their personal experiences of it - were oppressive company which during one particular party led me to sit on the back step to avoid my hitting them. I do not of course approve of violence but it is not enough to bleat about how nasty violence is : totally denouncing violence and damning those who use it is often aiding and abetting an abuser e.g. as in the situation where The Democrats in Israel shriek about how The Democrats in Palestine are launching misguided missiles at them and then use it to justify massively misguided moronical military missions in retaliation against those whom they have deprived of the means of making a cup of tea - not to mention the fact that they are also shooting The People in Israel who are offering Hob Nobs to The People in Palestine ... The fact is that even amongst The People in Wales a lot of domestic violence is provoked by women emotionally manipulating men by hiding the Hob Nobs because their husbands will not even get up off their behinds to make their spouses a cup of tea ... In other words violence is a symptom of the problem of injustice : you do not get rid of injustice by getting rid of the violence which results from it.

That probably sounds like I am blaming women for domestic violence, but I am thinking of it being like the Highway Code : everybody ought ti drive on the left - obviously - and in an orderly fashion giving clear indications and not exceeding the limits given for given situations ... mistakes of course happen and it is best to just be gracious about them because the little ladies are not as gentlemen : if you lose your temper you will no longer be a gentleman and if you cry like a little girl then no real man like Mr Putin will even want to know you and ... The problem lies in our culture and perhaps pornography is not so much cultivating violence against women as portraying our society's existing values which were previously not admitted : violence against women seems to have declined despite reports of violence increasing because it is now possible to talk openly about it. Victorian Wales preached against the oppression of women and made the appearance of it not socially acceptable resulting in it not being possible to discuss it. BUT : it is really disturbing me to see teenage girls trying to please teenage boys by mimicking the pornography which is now their shared introduction to ideas about sexual relationships : I am no more offended by naked bodies than I am by naked conversations but what matters is what is portrayed and talked about which leads me to the amount of pornophonia being broadcast on BBC Radio 4 and ...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:32 pm    Post subject: rule of thumb Reply with quote

We discussed the strangely horrible atmosphere in women's refuges on Page 3 of 'Egalite or Marianne Unveiled.' I've also had some things to say on the subject in 'Bid My Anxious Fears Subside' which you may like to check out. I always say a women's hostel could more accurately be called a hostile.

In case anyone should think I'm prejudiced against Slavs, here's a quick overview of the situation in UK countries. In Scotland before the union and probably after it, a woman was supposed to chastise her spouse only with harsh and lacerating words. But he had more leeway, permitted as he was to express dissatisfaction with his wife with 'words and blows.'

In Wales in the old days we were lucky - but only compared with our Anglo-Saxon sisters, who were treated with extreme cruelty. In Wales, a man could beat his wife for only three reasons.

They were giving away what she had no right to give away, wishing dirt on his beard and being found with another man. He could not hit her more than three times for any one reason and not on her head.

If he exceeded what the law allowed, he would have to pay her her sarhad price for he had insulted her. If he hit his wife on finding her with another man, that was expiation enough. He couldn't also demand compensation.

Wives weren't exactly given the green light to assault their spouses although it must have happened. If a woman beat up her husband's mistress, she would not be required to pay compensation.

So how did things improve when the English conquered us and civilized us? It looks as if England was a routinely violent place.

My parents had an awful encyclopaedia from as late as 1939 which said 'a master has no right to chastise his servant.' It was obvious from the context that this meant physical violence as opposed to verbal bullying.

In the late Middle Ages, a landowner was prosecuted for assaulting his servant. Quivering with rage, he said he didn't know what the world was coming to. Before long, a man would not be allowed to beat his own wife!

He needn't have worried. Magazines from late Victorian times would have cartoons say of a working class woman with bruises, cuts and a black eye as she went down the street.

Someone would say, ''What's happened to Sal?'' The reply would come: ''Haven't you heard? She's married again!''

In the seventeenth century, London had a bye law that a man could not beat his wife after ten o clock out of consideration for the neighbours. The wording indicates that it was OK at other times.

I think Daniel Defoe had a problem page. When asked, he thought wife beating was never acceptable. When a judge ruled that a man could beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb, it caused controversy.

A cartoon shows a woman running away in the street from somebody wielding an awful weapon. She is shouting, ''Murder! Murder!'' He says, ''Murder? I'm just exercising my rights!''

According to Matilda Joslyn Gage, an English judge of her own time, severely fined people who had damaged municipal seats. The next case was a man who had assaulted his wife. The judge threw the case out. He said it should never have been brought.

By the early twentieth century, magistrates and judges did hear cases of spousal assault. But they did not take them very seriously, often making puerile jokes at the expense of the aggrieved woman.

A would be book of funny anecdotes even mentioned a judge in the late twentieth century who was trying a man for GBH against his wife. He came out with a prose poem in favour of spousal abuse.

He said it was an act of love, but then admitted it was a shame the husband had employed an iron bar instead of a stick no thicker than his thumb.I didn't see the funny side.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: quiling Reply with quote

An MP called Phil Davies tried to filibuster out a bill against spousal violence.He was opposed by George Galloway 's former aide Aisha Ali Khan.

He subsequently labelled her and her coterie 'feminist zealots'. He was speaking with the deepest contempt, but they have adopted the term, and have rehabilitated it.

If only there were more women like them. On the same episode of 'The Big Questions' where Ms Ali Khan proudly proclaimed herself a feminist zealot, was Belinda Brown, the author of 'The Conservative Woman.'

Belinda gave a little shriek of horror when Nicky Campbell asked her if she was a feminist. She loathed feminism.

She thought it was men who got a raw deal. I agree that this is sometimes true. For instance they are more likely to end up on the streets. They are more likely to die prematurely.

This is something that needs to be addressed.But I think it is macho culture that is to blame. Men have to be seen to take risks. They can't ask for help, very often.

I also wonder if the truncated Y chromosome may be to blame for men's comparatively low life expectancy. If so, it might be possible to do something to compensate for it. But blaming women will not achieve anything.

I thought Belinda was wrong in scapegoating women, but was right that in some respects, men are the less fortunate sex. I thought she wanted them to be raised to a position of equality where they don't have it.

I would have agreed with that aspiration. But that's not what she wanted. A male Anglican bishop started saying how wonderful it had been since we have had female bishops.

Belinda grimaced, something she is very good at. She would do well in a gurning competition.

She did not support women bishops.She thought they needed more men in positions of authority in the Church. Male headship was great.

In the same studio was Angela Epstein who is a pretty pathetic columnist for
the Daily Mail. She didn't think much of women's groups. She found all women short lists patronising.

She said she wanted to be judged on her merits. She wasn't consistent.

As an Orthodox Jew, she vociferously supports all men short lists for rabbis. She does not want women in leadership roles in synagogues.

So it was with Joan Buckingham, the former chairman of Credo Cymru, the anti-priestess faction in the Church in Wales. She not only aligned herself with people who spoke of male headship and female subordination in an extremely creepy way.

She tore down a poster that advocated standing up to domestic abusers, when she was warden of a notorious hall of residence.

Some of the worst misogynists in the world are women. And they are usually excessively religious.

The writer Mary Daly was one of the few feminists who really did get so carried away that she became an anti male bigot. But even she admitted that it was usually old women who squashed little girls' feet in China or snipped their genitals off in Africa.

She called them 'token torturers.' She couldn't or wouldn't explain why they did it. I don't think there was anything token about it.

Older women often enjoy pushing young ones around, and blocking off their opportunities. We saw this too with female social workers who oppressed single mothers a few decades ago.

In human beings, the two sexes are a bit dimorphic. Women on average are smaller than men and have less powerful muscles.

Men have been able to push them around, violently or otherwise, because they can. But it is also because women en masse have allowed it.

William the Conqueror's daughter Adela organised a general sex strike. The suffragettes organised to win the vote.

These are rare cases. Women are often very cruel to each other, with no feeling of solidarity.

Let's face it. For most of history, sisterhood hasn't been powerful.

It's been pathetic - pathetic and treacherous.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:13 am    Post subject: A violent act of love Reply with quote

Donald Trump's buddy Steve Bannon repeats the judicial obiter dicta that you can't be blamed for beating your wife if it's an act of love. He knew of what he spoke.

In 1996 a complaint was filed that he had lovingly left red marks on his wife's throat and wrists during an argument over finances. With devoted uxoriousness, he also smashed the phone when she tried to call the police.

It's so touching. It brings a lump to my throat. Who said romance was dead?

As a dedicated member of the Breitbart false news site, he quotes Milo Yiannopoulos on how contraception makes women grumpy and unattractive, and that cancer is preferable to feminism.

Bannon isn't good at original thought. He doesn't even have good taste in cliches. I'd like to send him a gift card so he can go to 'ClichesRus' and get some new ones.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:28 am    Post subject: doom Reply with quote

Bannon is a sinister character, a racist, an anti-Semite and a white nationalist. He is renowned for his bigoted statements not only about women but about minorities, the ones that have traditionally been scapegoated.

He sees eye to eye with Trump. Trump has given him a prestigious position on the National Security Council.

A few days after Trump became acting president, we heard that we were now two and a half seconds - or is it minutes? - to midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

Since we heard this, Trump stirred up the Middle East and sacked the Attorney General Sally Yates for standing up to him. It feels more like two and a half seconds than two and a half minutes!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:03 am    Post subject: loving femicide Reply with quote

It is not only beating up your spouse but killing her in a jealous rage that has traditionally been advertised as an act of love - with a straight face. I'm sorry to say that we heard of a case in Wales where a young man was convicted of murdering his ex girlfriend. His 'considered' analysis was ''I loved that woman too much.'

Richard Madely often gets things wrong on morning TV. He doesn't understand what the interviewee is trying to convey.

Perhaps this is why he wrote a foolish article in defence of the notorious song 'Delilah' which is a favourite in Wales. It is about a murder of a woman by a jealous boyfriend - from the abusive partner's point of view. If it doesn't glorify his 'act of love', it romanticises it.

Spoilsports thought it shouldn't be encouraged. Madely argued that it would sound ludicrous if rugby crowds in Cardiff sang 'Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star', instead.

This is the fallacy of the excluded middle. If you repudiate the value of honour killing, that does not mean you have to be totally twee and confine yourself to 'The Wheels on the Bus go Round and Round' or something infantile like that.

What's wrong with 'Myfanwy'? The narrator accepted it was all over between him and Myfanwy. He was sad but he was big enough to take it.

Readers of my Richard Dawkins and Aberfan posts will know that my former friend Dodo could never resist falling for a crap argument. After OJ Simpson was wrongly acquitted of murdering his ex-wife Nicole Brown and her boyfriend Ron Goldman, Dodo gave a respectful hearing to OJ's narrative.

Nicole Brown's counsellor subscribed to the view that OJ was a controlling, possessive psychopath. Dodo saw him in a much kindlier light.

Dodo read in a newspaper the words of OJ, ''What no one understands is that I loved that woman.'' Dodo was impressed by this profoundly moving statement. He expected me to be touched to the heart too.

I said that if that was love, it was a pity he hadn't hated her. It wasn't love but possessiveness.

I repeated what was then the new orthodoxy, ''If you really loved someone, you'd prefer them to be happy with someone else than unhappy with you.''

''Oh well, that would be very difficult!'', said Dodo. ''Difficult!'', I exclaimed, ''You've no right to do anything but accept that someone has moved on.''

Future ages will be amazed that we could abuse the language by using the word 'love' to describe cold, jealous murderous rage. At least, I hope they will be.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:21 am    Post subject: crap women Reply with quote

The suffragettes had the idea that once women were part of civic and political life, they would look out for each others' interests. I can't say there is no truth in that at all, but we can also find stark counter examples.

Dafydd was on a jury with a lot of middle aged women. The case they had to try was like the story in 'Delilah.' A boyfriend had stabbed his girlfriend between the ribs in an act of jealousy.

He had come to his senses and called an ambulance. But that is not much mitigation. There are so many vital organs in this area, it is a wonder he did not kill her.

Dafydd was keen on doing him for attempted murder which I think would be reasonable in the circumstances. But it was like 'Twelve Angry Men' in reverse.

The women took the boyfriend's side, and Dafydd couldn't talk them out of it, so the defendant was convicted of something like wounding with intent by a majority verdict.

The women would really have liked to let the guy off if not give him a medal.
Why? Dafydd could only deduce that they were jealous of the plaintiff for being young and pretty.

Their attitude was, ''She was asking for it! What a slag!''

I don't know what an all male jury would have decided. They might have identified with the miscreant. That is always possible. But equally, they might have had a feeling of chivalry for a damsel in distress.

I'm in the unenviable position of being a feminist who doesn't have a high opinion of women. I'm also a bleeding heart liberal humanist who has a low opinion of the human race. I've been mugged by reality.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: the big 3 Reply with quote

I feel uneasy about Trump's Muslim travel ban, and I sympathise with the demonstrators in Cardiff, the Orkneys, John F Kennedy Airport and the rest. But I'm sorry to say I don't feel as one with then in a heart whole way.

After all, there is such a thing as Jihadism. Some Muslims really do want to blow infidels to kingdom come.

And this has been a part of the faith since its very early days. It is not true as a European liberal tried to persuade me recently that it is a reaction to crusading. Jihadism came first.

Wouldn't it be a terrible irony if the kind people demonstrating for their beloved Muslim friends were later killed in a terrorist attack? I've never subscribed to the Islamophobia meme. It is rational to fear Islam and to fear other religions too.

But what about Muslimophobia? Anders Breivik who killed so many nice people in Norway was partly influenced by the writings of the ex Muslim and current anti-Islam activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, something for which I do not think she wants to take responsibility.

Sam Harris would say that we don't see Jains or Buddhists doing this sort of thing. This can't be entirely true. Just a few days ago, the funeral was held in Burma of a Muslim killed in a religious hate crime by a Buddhist.

The French Canadian who killed six people in a mosque and injured many others, was a follower of Marine le Pen, the extreme French nationalist. Perhaps he was inspired also by Trump's Muslim ban which had been proclaimed immediately beforehand.

I do hope the makers and writers of 'Little Mosque on the Prairie' were not affected. Many bad things have been done in the name of Islam, but the same goes for Christianity.

Historically, perhaps Christianity has had the edge. Let's try to see people as human beings first, not just representatives of a despised religion.

Though the timing is not propitious, I will just have a brief comparative glance at wife beating in what my dearest son calls the 'big three' religions. I don't know enough about other religions to comment.

Cherie Booth, the wife of Tony Blair, denies that the Koran advocates wife beating. She is wrong. It says, 'as for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, banish them to beds apart, and beat them.'

Note that the wife's demeanour and conduct are not the issue. It is only necessary to 'fear' rebellion. The fear need not be well founded.

Mohammed set the example himself according to authentic hadiths. For instance, he punched Aisha in the chest, leaving a greenish bruise.

In Theo Van Gogh's and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's short film, 'Submission', koranic verses advocating misogynistic violence, are daubed in Arabic on the bruised bodies of women in diaphanous burqas.

It was for this that Van Gogh was assassinated in an Amsterdam street.

There is no lack of misogyny in the New Testament. In fairness, the text does not advocate wife beating in so many words as the Koran does, but it could be used to justify it. And it has been!

At least one clergyman said that spousal violence should only be limited by the remembrance that it should not have fatal results. After all, one of the commandments does say, ' Thou shalt not kill.'

Even a priest began to think the enthusiasm for wife beating in Christendom was getting a bit out of hand. It had got to the stage that a man would be more forbearing of a duck that waddled into the house and shat on the floor than a wife who brought forth a little girl when a son had been earnestly desired. He said, 'Not for every cause, is it right to beat her.''

So what of Judaism? There's anti-woman stuff in the Old Testament and the Talmud of course. But apparently, wife beating has never been advocated or accepted among the Chosen. A good number of people tell us this including Israel Zangwill.

Of course, it must have happened sometimes in the course of history. But it would have been rare. It was never considered a legitimate pastime. At least, that's what they say.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Just a few days ago, the funeral was held in Burma of a Muslim killed in a religious hate crime by a Buddhist.
Revenge of the Teddy Bears = Return of the Jedi.

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Cherie Booth, the wife of Tony Blair, denies that the Koran advocates wife beating. She is wrong. It says, 'as for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, banish them to beds apart, and beat them.'

Blairs are better experts on Islamicism than both of us put together. It is their own religion after all.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:53 am    Post subject: Chitta-Chakma-choo-choo Reply with quote

You think it was the worm turning? You will often find Sikhs have a bitter hatred of Muslims.Didn't Muslims wall up some of the gurus alive?

We heard that the ethnically Burmese Chakmas of the Chittagong hill tracts have been subjected to genocide by Muslims. Apparently, it is because they will insist on remaining Buddhists.

You know exactly what my emotions are about the Chakmas and their fascinating traits. In early 1990 we heard that hundreds of people in the Chittagong hill tracts had been killed in a mass stampede for cash handouts. It's so totally Chakma!

Cherie is an oddity, an anti-monarchist barrister who is susceptible to every superstition going. She also inveigled Tony Blair into going over to Rome on leaving office.

It was Cherie's sister Lauren Booth who went over to Mecca. Lauren ran a charity for Muslim converts which was dissolved while being investigated for financial irregularities.

A Fazia Ahmed told the Daily Mail how upset she was that she had taken Lauren into her house and fed her and been nice to her, and Lauren then 'stole' her husband. Of course, he's allowed four wives.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn ... I should read more newspapers ... but that would not leave time to think ... I am not entirely unknowing of such atrocities but why not accuse those who voted for Tony Blair of having blood on their hands for bombing Muslims or alternatively accuse them of making peace in Northern Ireland ? ... The problem with Democracy is much like the problem with Islam : those who come to power within them can not be held to account and indeed most of those who follow a Prime Minidter or an Imam or a Pope or a Dalai Lama etc are vicariously excited by their exercise of power and therefore do not want to restrict it. Contrast Chairman Trump where he has ridden to power on the same principle - I reckon that voters are excited by his incompetence and prejudice and vanity because they can with identify it - but has been confronted in the courtroom because of The Rule of Law : the real Rule of Law not the fake one of The United Kingdom ... meanwhile how about making Christian footballing boy scouts illegal because obviously they are all paedophiles ?

How about availing ourselves of the mosque open day tomorrow ?

http://muslimcouncilwales.org.uk/vmm2017/


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Gospodon Punch says ''That's the way to do it!'' Reply with quote

It's happened! In a country where forty women die from domestic violence a day - or is it one every forty minutes? - wife beating is now legal. The bill sailed through both chambers of the Duma, and has been signed into law by Putin.

Well done Vladimir Vladimirovich! - as Jac o' the North said about something slightly different. Father Dmitry, a spokesman for the Russian Orthodox Church, welcomes the new law. He thinks that it is Western cultural imperialism alone which persuades Russians that if you come home rat arsed and use your spouse as a punchbag, you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory.

Olga Batalina a young female misogynist politician helped to draft the bill which is now law. After all,a Russian's home is his castle. Why should the police be allowed to say what he can do in it?

Yes, your home is your castle. And as we said in the Timothy Evans thread, castles contain torture chambers and oubliettes.

Russians ask us to tolerate their behaving like odious oafs because it is part of their culture. Until at least late Victorian times it was part of ours too. You have only to think of Punch and Judy shows.

People tell me there is a delightful if slightly confusing English proverb, ''A woman, a spaniel and a chestnut tree, the more you beat them the better they be.'' A chestnut tree? What's that ever done to annoy anyone?

Dickens was a reformer in his time, a critic of workhouses and all kinds of oppression. But he was rather annoyed that the novelist Elizabeth Gaskell's contributions to his magazine 'Household Words' were always late. He fumed, ''Oh, if I was Mr G, wouldn't I beat her!''

Happily we have moved on. Or some of us have.

Just because your ancestors behaved like pig ignorant savages, you are not obliged to take it as a precedent. Just because your neighbour is a stupid prat, that's not a good enough reason for you to be one.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: brusies = boy baby Reply with quote

30,000 signed a petition against the legal - or is it mandatory? - wife beating edict. But the science section of a Russian tabloid discusses the advantages of wife beating. Bruised women are more likely to give birth to boys.

This is not true incidentally.

Margarita Grigoryan who has recently returned from abroad finds current trends depressing. It was bad enough that such a confirmed misogynist as Trump managed to win the White House.

Maria Lipman noted the paradox. Rights which women had to fight for in the West were imposed on them in Russia under the Soviets.

It was a top down development. Now people are saying, ''We don't want human rights forced down our throats! We want to be serfs! It was good enough for my father and it's good enough for me!''


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Trump was reminded on a TV show that Putin was believed to be responsible for the deaths of Russian citizens at home and dissidents abroad. He was asked if he could respect someone like that.

He replied, ''I do respect him''. He said, ''Do you think this country's so innocent?.'' He added that there were a lot of killers in the USA. Apparently, that makes it acceptable for Putin to be one.


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From now on when a Russian patriarch is asked Dafydd's question, ''When did you start beating your wife?'', a far away look will come into his eyes as he says,''February 7 2017! It was legal you understand. That was the day that our great leader Putin declared open season on wives.''

And what is especially disheartening is that so many babushkas agree with them that it is a holy thing. According to my friend Liz, it was not just women mired in religious despotism who supported wife beating. She said the anarchist Emma Goldman supported it too, on the grounds that working men must have some fun.

I'm not sure she's right. But it did put me off Goldman. Emma was born in the Russian Empire. It would be Lithuania today.

It looks as if Goldman was brutalised firstly by years of parental violence. In the case of her father, she later put it down to sexual frustration.

She had to ward off the violent advances of Russian soldiers while working in a corset shop. Surprisingly, considering all she had been through, Goldman was upset and nauseated to see an officer setting about a private soldier with a knout.

Like many other Ashkenazi Jews from the Russian Empire, Goldman emigrated to the 'goldene medineh' the golden land ie the USA. She was then 16, and did not find America exactly a promised land.

She never had a dull moment but it wasn't always lovely. For instance she was charged with inciting the assassination of President Mackinley.

I had a ludicrous delusion that Emma Goldman wrote the poem that is inscribed on the plinth of the Statue of Liberty. Although I never heard anyone but the Thatcherite convert Paul Johnson speak slightingly of the poem, it was damned by association for me.

Now I've found out the poet was not Emma Goldman but Emma Lazarus who was born in New York City of mixed Ashkenazi and Sephardi parentage. Trump's is not the first administration to slam the golden door in people's faces.

The Irish and East Europeans were not always given a warm welcome. If you were stranded on Ellis Island, while trying to get your label of 'feeble minded' overturned, you could only have looked into the face of the Statue of Liberty with the bitterest of wry smiles.

Let's hope embittered Islamists don't blow the statue up! Was it not made by French craftsmen? May she never be forced to wear a burqa!

Americans demonstrating against the Muslim ban - but we're no longer allowed to call it the Muslim ban - often have placards quoting the most salient lines from Emma Lazarus' poem:

'''Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!'' cries she
With silent lips.''Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.'' '


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