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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just about to go about nudging Martin Shipton again about what happened above when I realised that a number of people have since blogged about it ... so I am going to have a look around after pasting in the email to him ( an example of one of the kinds of ways in which I try to snuff a little smoke into the piping of our local Pandemonium - this is not enough water to put out their fire in this case I think, but it does bring me enough peace to occasionally piss a little cold water over the antics of our local Demoncrats ... well surely you all knew from your extensive reading of all of my most literary outpourings that I almost certainly committed to being a peace artist ? )

( OK - almost certainly due to be committed anyhow, anytime, anyway ... )

From:
To:
Subject: Dear Martin Shipton, canopies and canapes - and libel
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 23:35:55 +0000

Dear Martin Shipton,

I am sure that you are aware of the canopies now erected for the forthcoming match - are you aware of them being erected at public expense ? That is what I have just been told in Central Square after I had commented upon them having passed them.

Are we poverty stricken citizens of - or rather purposefully subjugated inmates of - Cardiff City County Council paying for the guests of the WRU to have campagne and canapes too ? Or are the Labour Party still handing out just beer and sandwiches ?

Incidentally, since you must have enjoyed yourself enough with that 2012 story in which you stuffed the words of wannabee terrorists into my mouth - could you now kindly finally accede to my request to remove it ? Each time it's clicked it's a libel.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/plaid-cymru-leader-leanne-wood-2024296

FIRSTLY : BLINK - " ! CLICK-CLUNK ! " - THEN : THINK - " ! IT'S-BUNK ! " - LASTLY : SLINK ... ?

Having just searched for that link I see that web content citing the mis-information spread by your article is still increasing.

If you will not undo the harm I think that you should be considerate enough if not curious to find out what actually happened.

If you really do imagine me to be some kind of a criminal then surely having kept such company already what can you fear ?

I'll come over and we can sit in the Western Mail's foyer : no need for security guards, that lady at the desk terrorises me ...

David B. Lawrence,

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BALCHER CYMRU's website apparently triggered Martin Simpson's article, because it featured videos of myself and Marianne making a shambles of this hastily arranged event - others from the original Cardiff Illuminati group were present too, but they were holding themselves at a respectful distance from the antics of those involved with REPWBLIC ... at least the length of a two barge-poles ... making a shambles of things is of course a necessary part of any serious political group's activities because otherwise it would be extremely dull because nobody could take any risks - anyhow, BALCHDER CYMRU posted up the activities of REPWBLIC without stating that these are two different groups, relying presumably on my speech at the beginning which referred to " BLACK " and " WHITE " as two different kinds of republican which are widely different i.e. not exactly stating that I was referring to militarists V pacifists, but alluding to Nationalists V Internationalists. BALCHER CYMRU later found it convenient to continue to not state that they were not the author of what REPWBLIC had performed.

We had presented two different flags derived from two different historical movements in European Republicanism - the Internationalist Cosmopolitan Republicanism associated with pacificism and the Declaration of the French Republic in 1792 ( red, white, green ) to which REPWBLIC is oriented ; and the Nationalist Anti-Imperialist Republicanism associated with militarism and the ' Springtime of the Nations ' associated with the briefly lived struggles in 1848 against the remains of the Holy Roman Empire, the Prussians, Austrians etc. Although Hitler's Nazis later thieved from the inheritance of the latter and ruined it for most of us, the WRM flag's use of the colours ordered ( green, red, white ) belongs to the inheritance of 1848 flags and can be regularly derived by the substitution of green for blue from the French 1848 flag. When we designed " Yr Ardystiad " we drew on Welsh historical models - but it was deliberately designed not to be an oath of allegiance to Republicanism in Wales because that would confuse the Treason Felony Act 1848 issue with another issue concerning the oath made by AMs taking their seats in the Welsh Assembly, which could have repercussions for the AMs if " Yr Ardstiad " were a contradictory oath. So " Yr Ardystiad " is a testification that the particular flag chosen, or this table leg, or that beer mat, or a preferred hand gesture such as " Y Llaw Agored " is for that person making " Yr Ardystiad " is a symbol of " The Republic in Wales " - and for those who prefer plain Wenglish, the Latin phrase " Res Publica " means the " Public Interest " and nothing more, and the United Kingdom actually prints those words in Northern Ireland on its bank notes.

The ceremonial aspect of " Yr Ardystiad " is intended to not be linked to any particular symbol and the idea of " Republicanism " that Republicans hold is nothing like the idea of " Republicanism " held by those who sucked into their dull little brains associations with the word which was milked out of the tits which hang upon the bounteously corrupt favours of the United Kingdom which is a political system founded upon and perpetrated through violence and whose supporters think that sovereignty consists of the will and means to do violence, and that " the rule of law " means that they are licenced to use such violence and that those who try to defend themselves against such violence are criminals - i.e. the United Kingdom really is still a kingdom, not the modern political system which it claims to be but unreformed feudal state whose apologists claim such things as that and even go so far as to claim that " Democracy means Voting " - uh ... no it doesn't - a society is accounted to be a Democracy when it is peaceable, equitable, pluralistic and has a functioning legal system free at the point of need. The use of voting does not qualify a society as being Democratic, and from a Pure Republican point of view Democracy is an Ultraism and therefore it will lead to the destruction of everything that Democrats claim to be preserving, promoting and protecting : only Republicans can achieve the political objectives which we claim, because Democrats are striving to behave popularly - whereas Republicans are striving to behave properly.

So, shambles though it was we vaguely knew what we were doing and had sussed out the legal arguments and were enjoying the idea that it was a good tease to draw attention to the fact that the Unreasonable Felony Act should be off the statute book and replaced with something Treasonable to Republicanism ... BALCHDER CYMRU gawped at us and did not have a clue, nor did any of the people who actually participated, and afterwards we all hoped that everybody would forget about it and ...then along came that article by Martin Shipton who was not even there and definitely didn't have a clue and couldn't be bothered to do other than regurgitate what he either saw or was told to see ... and since he believes what he is told or is paid to tell other people to believe what he is told or is ... oh ... why bother ... he had a picture of me sticking a microphone in the face of Leanne Wood and he probably found it in a video on BALCHDER CYMRU's website and he culled some words from both and didn't know that REPWBLIC is a different thing with radically different views which would make Martin Shipton's hair stand on end and ...oh ... well ...

... it would stop Martin Shipton's hair standing on end and might puzzle him : not that comfortable familiar sort of Extremist Nationalist Militarists advocating mindless violence but this disturbingly unfamiliar kind of Extremist Internationalist Pacifists advocating mindful non-violence ... I guess that he just wouldn't believe it, couldn't comprehend it - people actually using political theories instead of abusing patriotical memories. He attacked Leanne Wood and Bethan Jenkins for associating themselves with the views of BALCHDER CYMRU when they were not only associating themselves with REPWBLIC but also REPUBLIC at an event at which there were many other individual speakers invited by CARDIFF BAY REPUBLICAN DAY, and where BALCHDER CYMRU were admittedly represented but it was not their event - the star attraction was due to be Peter Tatchell who was apparently going to bring The Guardian because of REPWBLIC picking up the argument which they had started over the Treason Felony Act 1848 : hardly Che Guavara and the Revolutionary People's Republican Party eh ? In terms of what passes for the makings of a political party in Wales, there were a couple of plates of sandwiches but even by the end of this evening devoted to the principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity offering them freely to everybody equally on the basis of our shared cause we couldn't get anybody to swallow what was on offer ... yet lonely and beleaguered and starved of any real news in living out his life of journalistic poverty at the Western Mail, having had but a few stale crumbs throw to him Martin Shipton hungrily gobbled up all of the mouldy remains of this event over a year later ...

... then he wouldn't correct what he had written nor withdraw it despite a fairly immediate response within hours of it being published ...and then he published another similar about Gill Evans MEP so we all knew that he was most probably being put up to it ... but by whom ? ... BALCHDER CYMRU didn't care about such things as the truth - they were in the newspaper !!! - So they were intent on making as much of it as they can ( and still are ) and therefore they most certainly are not interested in setting the record straight because that would involve admitting that they were not involved at all, except that Martin Shipton involved them either by his mistaken or by his deliberate mis-attribution of " Yr Ardystiad " when it had been previously long-created by and was enacted by REPWBLIC for the purposes of campaigning to challenge the continuation of the Treason Felony Act 1848 on the statute book when it is, according to the House Of Lords, now a dead law, having been contradicted by the Human Rights Act 1997.

So what should I do about this BALCHDER CYMRU Wikipedia page as it now presently stands ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balchder_Cymru

In September 2012, Balchder Cymru came to public attention after it was reported by the Western Mail newspaper that the group had shared a public platform with leader of Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood, the previous year. It was reported that Wood had sworn an oath to the Welsh republican tricolour, during an event for Cardiff Bay Republican Day, and that Balchder Cymru were also in attendance, the latter having contributed some nationalist views which a Plaid spokesperson described as 'abhorrent'. In response, Balchder Cymru chair Adam 'Balchder' Phillips distanced his group from association with Plaid Cymru and regretted the impression given to Western Mail readers that they were somehow closely allied.

I mean ...true ... ish ... I wonder what " President for Life " Adam Phillips will be doing in 2050 ... back in 1980 I was most probably starting to ruin my career by refusing at a Ysgol Pensaernieth Cymru dinner to stand and drink a loyal toast to the Prince Of Wales

[ I must quit and sleep - but I will tell you something in passing : The Welsh School of Architecture no longer has a Welsh language webpage - and its Wikipedia page seems to have been written by people who want to wipe out the history of the institution when it was also named in Welsh - I find that upsetting.]

http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/archi/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_School_of_Architecture
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have related a story about how singing was once construed to be Treason Felony in this thread - " Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau " V " God Save The Queen " - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2570#2570
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just thought of a novel defence should the United Kingdom's foolish lawyers ever agree to prosecute me for any offences under The Treason Felony Act of 1848 ...

... I am going to enter a plea of " SANITY ! "

The English feel that they must plead - " GUILTY ! "
But the Irish plead that they're - " NOT GUILTY !! "
The Scots plead for - " JEOPARDY - DOUBLED !!! "
And by our neighbours the Welsh are - " TROUBLED ???? "
NO ! We prefer to demur - and to plead their " INSANITY !!!!! "


Wink dai repWblic - Dai Saw - David B Lawrence
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[ I HAVE ALSO ADDED THIS TO THE " Y DYDD RHYDD 2015 " AND THE " Y LLAW AGORED " THREADS - ]

http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=2763#2763

I have had a couple of drawing projects on the go for months lurking in the back of the computer, one of them was intended to be a sort of souvenir postcard for those occasions when we are invited to do " Yr Ardystiad " again, one of which is coming up - possibly - but the use of flags seems rather unwieldy - although decorative - when almost anything could be cited as a symbol of The Republic in Wales ... and of course the handiest thing for most of The People in Wales Who Want To Do " Yr Ardystiad " is their hand ... so several months ago I proposed this modification the wording of " Yr Ardystiad " since I am increasingly enamoured of one of my thoughts about " Y Llaw Agored " which is to do with that little rigmarole which I keep on trotting out ... In order to practice this recitation of " The Handy Woman's Or Man's Manual Of Republicanism In Wales " start by standing in front of a nice mirror in order to admire yourself for being a Republican In Wales and give yourself a friendly wave - and, please remember, this is not The Fascist Salute - and thus you will make the natural shape of " Y Llaw Agored " with your fingers extended and spread and displaying " The Symbol of The Right Hand Path of The Dextrous Politics of The Pure ( White ) Republicans " ... Smile ... You should then adopt the same stance as when reciting " Yr Ardystiad " but for this purpose you use your other hand's index finger to count the following off from your small finger and once you reach your thumb swing your other fingers around to make " The Thumbs Up Sign " ... as given by Emperors to indicate that a victim should not be killed ... and whilst you are doing this do so with the smiles and smooth calm voices of those who proudly practice " The Open Mind " ...

" THIS IS THE SIGN OF THE RIGHT HAND PATH OF THE DEXTROUS POLITICS OF REPUBLICANISM'S ALTRUISMS : TRUTH, LOVE, FREEDOM AND PEACE LEAD TO - LIFE ! "

... Now you can do the same in the mirror with your hands reversed, and just to make the point about the difference between them you can use that symbol so beloved of those who always want to threaten and coerce The People in Wales and The World - the clenched fist : " Y Dwrn Caead " - which is " The Symbol of The Left Hand Path of The Sinister Politics of The Dirty ( Black ) Democrats " ... Sad ... and then just dust those knuckles off whilst holding your fist tightly closed - and also try to imitate the scowls and howls of those who proudly practice " The Closed Mind " whilst you are doing this ... and at the end of this turn your fist over and give " The Thumbs Down Sign " as given by those psychotic dictators who draw their greatest pleasures from inflicting the greatest of miseries upon others ...

" THIS IS THE SIGN OF THE RIGHT HAND PATH OF THE SINISTER POLITICS OF DEMOCRACY'S ULTRAISMS - LIES, HATRED, ENSLAVEMENT AND WAR LEAD TO - DEATH ! "


C'mon - you can't say that this isn't fun ... surely ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of Treason, I missed this episode of BBC Radio 4 ' ANALYSIS '

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qpklq

There have been calls for the treason laws to be used against an Islamic group protesting about British troops in Afghanistan. Such laws are widely regarded as out of date, so can any citizen now challenge the state with impunity? Chris Bowlby asks if treason still matters in modern Britain.

Interviewees include:

Charles Falconer, Former Lord Chancellor

Kristen Eichensehr, Yale Law school

Michael Lobban, Historian

Anjem Choudary, Former leader of Islam4UK

Kieran McEvoy, Professor of law at Queen’s University in Belfast

Edward Garnier, Shadow attorney general

What this programme is talking about is something which I had not been following : in America and Britain Muslims giving their loyalty to Allah are being thought of as treasonous - these are exactly the same bloody stupid allegations which were laid at the door of Catholics and other religious non-conforformists in past centuries ... an interesting part of this programme is what has happened in Northern Ireland where they have realised that charging Nationalists with Treason is likely to be counter-productive : what it goes to show once again is the arbitrariness of The English Law, the random capriciousness of its application according to the political whims of those in power - and the very fact that it is politicians who decide who will be prosecuted and who will not over the heads of the judiciary clearly demonstrates the corrupt nature of the political system called The United Kingdom - which simply is not a political system at all, but merely stupid.

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When I dispute the validity of the Treason Felony Act 1848 it is because of such things as it having stretched the meaning of Treason from physical injury to the person of the monarch to the supposed injury of the property of the monarch in the empire i.e. us, as if we were livestock on a farm which had become rabid and ought to be put down. Treason Felony originated in a minor anxiety about a riot in London which was used as a pretext to whack the Irish who in 1848 were protesting about and perhaps organising against the Union between Britain and Ireland, but it has killed mostly pacifists who refused conscription and have been alleged to be therefore allied to the enemies of the state by not defending it by force of arms.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I FINALLY GOT PISSED OFF WITH THAT " WALES IN LINE " WEBPAGE ...


From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 31 October 2016 14:07
To: newsdesk AT walesonline.
Cc: various addresses @walesonline.

Subject: JUST TO REMIND YOU - AGAIN - TO STOP LIBELING ME ... AND WHY NOT GOOGLE - " THE ISLE OF MAN + BREXIT " ?

Dear Western Mail / South Wales Echo,

I have just now decided to spread this argument around more because of your libeling me now for approaching five years.

PLEASE DO NOT PUBLISH MY ADDRESS WHILST LEAVING ME WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S WORDS STUFFED INTO MY MOUTH !

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS LIBEL COULD LEAD TO SOME NUTTER KILLING ME ?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/plaid-cymru-leader-leanne-wood-2024296 - EVERY DAY THIS LIBELS ME !

I WAS THREATENED WITH A FIRE BOMBING LAST WEEK : ALL I WANT OF THE WESTERN MAIL IS TO CORRECT THAT STORY.

I want to submit THE POEM for your readers' amusement - and to suggest that you consider how BREXIT affects the Manx.

https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/offices/cabinet-office/brexit-what-next-for-the-isle-of-man/

David B. Lawrence

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Dear Western Mail,

a reminder of what I am advocating on " Y Repwblic " -

The Conspirators in Wales have now agreed upon one plan :_
" Demockery ! " - they whisper - " We surely have to ban_
The Republicans in Wales : they are advocating a Constitution -_
The Rule of Law and a Jurisdiction - as an independent institution ! -_
We must either put a stop to this - or ... end up like The Isle of Man ?

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence : the author asserts his moral right - not to sue for copyright !

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RESIDENT POPULATION OF WALES 2011 = 3,063,456 - AND - RESIDENT POPULATION OF ISLE OF MAN 2011 = 84,497

GDP £76.437b = WALES GDP/CAPITA = £24,775 - AND - GDP £2.569b = ISLE OF MAN GDP/CAPITA = £34,671

The Isle of Man has 0.0276 % of the population of Wales yet it has a Constitution defended by an Independent Judiciary.

The Isle of Man is part of the British political system : is Wales so poor that we can not afford to have what they have ?

The Isle of Man affords to itself a bicameral assembly : in Wales can we not afford to divide representation and scrutiny ?

http://www.isleofman.com/about-the-isle-of-man/constitution/

[ This actually says - " The Isle of Man does not have a written constitution but a general objective aimed at complete self-government and autonomy in its internal affairs." - but their constitutional arrangements are certainly clearly written.]
Tynwald is the oldest legislature in the world (in continuous existence). It has two branches: The House of Keys and The Legislative Council. The majority of Members sit as independents and there is a virtual absence of party politics.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since The Western Mail etc will not correct their webpage let me demonstrate its faults : this was what they published on 18th September 2012 - then my pointing out the faults in it ...

http://s77.photobucket.com/user/ffoto_2006/media/LIBEL%20edited%20page
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( I am getting pissed off with The Western Mail refusing to discuss this )

( Feel free email to them on my behalf )

From: David B Lawrence
Sent: 16 February 2017 11:10
To: readers AT walesonline.co.uk
Cc: [ + VARIOUS ADDRESSES @walesonline.co.uk; ]

Subject: THE RULE OF LAW & THE SUPREME COURT

Dear Western Mail,

Of course I do not like resorting to copying over this email to others in The Western Mail : but when is anyone ever going to reply to me ?

Below this is a short letter about Lord Neuberger's comments on " The Rule of Law " as published this morning 16-02-17. i.e. about Nomocracy.

After your own and other's vicious behaviour in 2012 I decided to divorce Democracy from Republicanism and solely advocate for Nomocracy.

As you surely know by now I do not want my address published by you unless you correct this webpage to disassociate Repwblic from Balchder.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/plaid-cymru-leader-leanne-wood-2024296

As mentioned to you in a recent letter - and in many others - you are placing me at risk of people assaulting me believing me to be a terrorist.

How about finally deciding to do the decent thing and take Balchder's words out of my mouth please - and get the words of Yr Ardystiad right ?

David B. Lawrence

THIS IS THE TEXT OF THE ARDYSTIAD LEAFLET AS IT WAS RECITED BY LEANNE WOOD AND BETHAN JENKINS ON 07 / 06 / 11 :

( THIS IS NOT AN OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO ANYONE BUT AN ASSERTION OF VALUES WHICH ARE WIDELY SHARED BY PEOPLE IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES - AS WE SAW IN BREXIT )

ARDYSTIAD

Rydym yn ardystio i'r faner hon
Fel symbol o'r Repwblic yng Nghymru.

Byddwn yn sefyll dros y Gwir
yn erbyn y Byd :

Pob cenedl yn anedig o un Pobl
Pob cyfraith yn anedig o un Cyfiawnder
Pob rhyddid yn anedig o un Tangnefedd

Oes heddwch ? ( Heddwch ! Oes ! Nag oes !)

PUBLISHED BY REPWBLIC.ORG

We attest that this flag
Is a symbol of the Republic in Wales.

We will stand for the Truth
against the World :

All nations are born of one People
All laws are born of one Justice
All freedoms are born of one Peace

Is there peace ? ( Peace ! Yes ! No ! )

ATTESTATION

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Dear Western Mail,

Lord Neuberger has criticised the newspapers for undermining The Rule of Law as if it depended upon upholding the authority of The Supreme Court - but it does not. It depends upon the majority of people being able to obtain a legal remedy - and this ceased to be the case over thirty years ago. In the last few years the funding of various forms of legal advice has been slashed by what some estimate to be over 90% and here in Wales we now effectively have a situation in which the only people to get any Legal Aid are criminals.

It is when the legal system becomes unusable, especially when those trying to confront the wrongdoing of various levels of government, e.g. local authority representatives and their council officers, find themselves pitted against those who will not admit any fault - let alone remedy an error - and can draw upon the money of the very people who oppose them, that The Rule of Law is utterly discredited.

If we really do believe that The Rule of Law is a worthwhile thing - and I believe that it is a more important public good than the National Health Service because it remedies all sorts of social ills - let us see it taken seriously and ensure that everybody has access to a legal remedy free at the point of need, paid for out of taxes, and that children are taught The Law in school : it is our agreed description of how to behave correctly and its authority does not rest upon the status of any individual, criminal or judicial.

dai repwblic = Dai Saw = David B Lawrence
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ogarethhughes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/swearing-oaths.html
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[ I AM FAILING TO PASTE IN BITS WHICH MENTION TREASON FELONY ELSEWHERE ]

FROM - http://repwblic.informe.com/viewtopic.php?p=5471#5471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5supfAhefY - Trump & Felony Treason

[ WHAT THIS DOMINIC CASCIANI HAS NOT MENTIONED IS THE TREASON FELONY ACT 1848 WHICH IS THE BANE OF OUR LIVES AS REPUBLICANS : IT IS ABOUT IMAGINING THAT SOVEREIGNTY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE QUEEN BUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE E.G. TO THE PEOPLE : IN THE UNITED KINGDOM DEMOCRACY IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL YET THE CONSTITUTION IS SUCH A MURKY MESS THAT THE DEMOCRATS IN WALES AND WESTMINSTER STRENUOUSLY ASSERT THAT WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY ASSERTING THAT " SOVEREIGNTY " IS DEFINED AS " THE CROWN IN PARLIAMENT " ... IN REALITY THE PRIME MINISTER IS AN ELECTED DICTATOR WHO DECIDES NOT ONLY WHEN MPS WILL RISE BUT HOW HIGH THEY WILL RISE ...

... THE " EXTREMIST " POINT OF VIEW WHICH I HOLD IS THAT IT IS THE LAW WHICH PUTS THE CROWN ON THE MONARCH'S HEAD AND THEREFORE IF SOVEREIGNTY EXISTS IT IS IN THE LAW : HOWEVER I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT " SOVEREIGNTY " EXISTS AT ALL - IT IS A FICTION, A RELIC OF THE RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGIES USED BY THE MEDIEVAL PAPACY TO ASSERT THAT IT WAS THE FIRST ESTATE AND EMPOWERED BY GOD TO DISPENSE HIS DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE WHOLE WORLD IN SMALLER AMOUNTS TO LEGITIMISE THOSE IN THE SECOND ESTATE WHO HAD TERRORISED THE PEOPLE IN THEIR SMALLER PARTS OF THE WORLD INTO HANDING OVER THEIR MONEY TO THEM : THIS BANDITRY COULD BE CONVERTED INTO KINGSHIP BY GIVING THE PAPACY A PERCENTAGE OF THE LOOT IN EXCHANGE FOR A VIAL OF OIL ... IF THEY DID NOT ... THE PAPACY EXCOMMUNICATED THE KING INVOLVED AND THEN HE WAS NO LONGER A LEGITIMATE KING AND HIS KINGDOM WAS UP FOR CRUSADE BY ALL THOSE OTHER GREASY HAIRED BANDITS. ...

... THE MOST RATIONAL AND REASONABLE APPROACH TO " SOVEREIGNTY " IS TO DISCARD THE IDEA : THE LAW IS SUFFICIENT UNTO ITSELF AND IT IS RATHER FOOLISH TO MAKE LAWS TO ENFORCE BELIEFS IN IMAGINARY THINGS - E.G. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO INSIST THAT " SOVEREIGNTY IS IN THE LAW " BECAUSE THE PRACTICAL THING TO DO IS TO MAKE A LAW WHICH ANNOUNCES " YOU SEE THIS HERE LINE ? IF YOU CROSS IT - WE WILL BASH YOU : GO ON - IF YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE HARD ENOUGH : JUST EVEN TRY STEPPING ON IT !!! " ... NOW ... I DO NOT WANT TO CONFESS TO ANYTHING : BUT DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THE TREASON FELONY ACT 1848 AND THE PRESENT CULTIVATION OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS " EXTREMISTS " ? ... IF JESUS CAME BACK NOW PREACHING THAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN HAS COME AND ALL OF THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD ARE NO MORE - THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY HIM AS A DANGEROUS EXTREMIST - AND IF HE DID THIS IN WALES THEY WOULD BE TERRIFIED OUT OF THEIR WITS AND HAVE HIM NAILED UP AS AN EXAMPLE OF A DANGEROUSLY PURE REPUBLICAN.]

I SWEAR THAT HE IS WELSH - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperately searching for an important email through thousands of - ooh ... here is an interesting one : this is from where / when / if " Yr Ardystiad " began to take shape - from Daf/Moritz [ he does not like Rousseau's Civil Religion idea ]

From: Dafydd Thomas
Sent: 11 December 2006 01:01
To: David Lawrence
Subject: Re: Pledge Thingy

Liberty and Justice are things that rational creatures want. You are
building a platonic theocracy where people must swear to some nebulous new
age religiois doctrine

REPUBLIC means LIBERTY EQUALITY FRATERNITY

Yesterday, with bated breath Dave the Meek confessed that sometimes he has
cynical moments.
Liz thought you were an anarchist because you said you got your roks off
from paying tax
You are a liberal playing at being evil

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lawrence"
To: [DAF]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Pledge Thingy


> Daf, would you care to take another look at this and maybe conflate the
two
> - both had good points. Eg [ BLOD ] used Tangnefedd, you used "Mai..." This
is
> what I put onto http://ctd.6.forumer.com
>
> I'm still fooling around with this idea, and discussing it with Llama and
> Daf, whom I asked to translate this idea :
>
> We hereby pledge ourselves to this flag
> As the symbol of the welsh republic
> We shall stand for the truth against the world
> That all nations are born of one people
> That all laws are born of one justice
> That all freedoms are born of one peace
> ( and tag on then :
> Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch
!!! )
>
> Which after some discussion with Llama has been hatched out as :
>
> Ardystiolaeth
>
> Rydym yn ardystio i'r baner yma
>
> Fel symbol o Gweriniaeth Cymru
>
> Byddwn yn sefyll am y gwir yn erbyn y byd.
>
> Bod pob cenedl wedi cael ei eni o'r un pobl.
>
> Bod pob cyfraith wedi cael ei eni o un cyfiawnder.
>
> A bod pob rhyddid wedi cael ei eni o un tangnefydd.
>
> Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch !!!
>
> ( After joking around with Daf, the last line might be better rendered
as -
>
> A Oes Heddwch ? Nag Oes ! etc )
>
> Is anybody feeling creative enough to further knock this into shape ?
>
> When I discussed it with Daf he sketched out the following, but I'm not so
> sure about it - my Welsh is feeble :
>
> We shall stand for the truth against the world
> Sefyllwn dros y Gwir yn erbyn y Byd
>
> That all nations are born of one people
> mai pob cenedl wedi ei geni oddiwrth un gwerin
>
> That all laws are born of one justice
> mai pob cyfraith wedi ei geni oddiwrth un cyfiawnder
>
> That all freedoms are born of one peace
> mai pob rhyddhad wedi ei eni oddiwrth un heddwch
>
> A Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch ! Oes Heddwch ? Heddwch
!!!
>
> I don't feel that either were quite what I intended. Anybody feel like a
go
> ?
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